| DRWhite | Hi folks, jsut a query.. Devuan 4, is that now SystemD? | 03:05 |
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| golinux | No way! | 03:05 |
| golinux | What have you been smoking to suggest that? | 03:05 |
| DRWhite | I did a locate for SystemD and it found SystemD | 03:06 |
| golinux | The answer you seek is here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 03:07 |
| golinux | It is a cosmetic not a functional annoyance | 03:07 |
| golinux | Actually you would find systemd because SystemD doesn't exist. | 03:08 |
| DRWhite | So systemd is there? | 03:09 |
| fluffywolf | "Actually you would find systemd because SystemD doesn't exist." is that a koan? :) | 03:09 |
| DRWhite | You and others had told me hat devuan would NEVER go systemd... | 03:10 |
| DRWhite | Yet it is there. | 03:10 |
| DRWhite | I know that tosser says that systemd is linux, which is not true... linux is the kernel, systemd is a process. | 03:11 |
| DRWhite | So that thread I jsut don't understand. | 03:11 |
| fluffywolf | there are files provided by applications for use with systemd, that devuan is not using, and compatability layers to make programs that expect systemd work. systemd is not there. | 03:11 |
| DRWhite | Okay, so Devuan has no MicroSoft in it then? | 03:12 |
| golinux | (Maybe too much spiked eggnog in the equation here.) | 03:12 |
| fluffywolf | I do not understand the logic behind that question. | 03:13 |
| golinux | There has not been much logic in any of then. | 03:13 |
| DRWhite | SystemD is a MicroSoft product | 03:14 |
| golinux | Happy solstice fluffy! | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | we should not remove systemd service files just as debian should not remove init scripts | 03:14 |
| fluffywolf | is it the solstice already? I've been working so hard that I have no idea of time. heh. | 03:14 |
| fluffywolf | being a delivery driver during the holdays suck, and this year has sucked twice as bad as any year before. | 03:15 |
| golinux | Please take this to #devuan-offtopic | 03:15 |
| golinux | It was on Tuesday! | 03:15 |
| DRWhite | So the SystemD that I find is just intermediary? | 03:15 |
| DRWhite | Not actually the MicroSoft product? | 03:15 |
| fluffywolf | yay, that means the days are getting longer! | 03:15 |
| * fluffywolf hates cold, dark days | 03:15 | |
| golinux | It is completely harmless. Just a cosmetic annoyance. | 03:16 |
| golinux | systemd comes from RedHat | 03:17 |
| golinux | not Microsoft | 03:17 |
| fsmithred | here's a list of what you cannot install in devuan: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 03:17 |
| golinux | Good idea to post that. | 03:18 |
| fsmithred | E: Package 'systemd' has no installation candidate | 03:19 |
| DRWhite | SystemD was created by someone from MS who went to RedHat. that's why I have to ask and find out. Because it was that guy the infiltrated RedHat who creeated SystemD | 03:20 |
| DRWhite | I'm happy that the version on ther eis definitely not that one. | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | I'm happy that you're happy. | 03:21 |
| fluffywolf | I don't think redhat needs infiltration. | 03:23 |
| fluffywolf | infiltration implies not being welcomed with open arms. | 03:23 |
| Xenguy | Good, glad the (so-called) Dr is gone or I would have suggested he go to hell, like all bad trolls | 05:41 |
| u4t | who? | 05:43 |
| u4t | oh ok, i see | 05:44 |
| u4t | i just kinda glased over a(: | 05:44 |
| Xenguy | If I ever catch that troll here while I'm around | 05:48 |
| Xenguy | Look out! | 05:48 |
| u4t | Xenguy: we could tell him that microsoft windows has posix compliance (: | 06:18 |
| Xenguy | Heh | 06:19 |
| ham5urg_ | Is there a way to declare all recommends to be depends? I would like to deboostrap a system and test it, if possible. Would make the clean deinstallation much easier. | 14:55 |
| av6 | i'm not sure if it'll affect debootstrap, but there's APT::Install-Recommends "yes"; that you can place in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ for regular apt/apt-get usage | 15:13 |
| av6 | although i think it already is/was the default behavior | 15:13 |
| xrogaan | yes, it should be default behavior | 17:23 |
| jason1234 | how to install devuan in curses mode? | 18:28 |
| jason1234 | qemu-system-x86_64 -curses -hda vdisk-devuan-ascii-2.1-amd64-v2.qcow2 -cdrom devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_cd-1.iso -boot d | 18:28 |
| forester | Hullo. I am interesting what command to use instead of 'systemctl'? And if I have 'sudo /etc/init.d/zram start', how to make in auto on start up? | 19:04 |
| forester | on booting | 19:04 |
| morruth | forester: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/init-system-helpers/update-rc.d.8.en.html - is this what you need? | 19:16 |
| forester | morruth: I don't know. Will try to understand. Thank you. | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | forester, sysv-rc-conf is another way to turn services on and off. It's easy. | 19:40 |
| forester | fsmithred: Thank you. I will try. | 19:40 |
| forester | morruth: I think you was right. Thanks to fsmithred (his link) I find simple example how to use it. Now I am going to reboot and take a look what will happened. | 19:55 |
| forester | fsmithred: Thanks again. Bye. | 19:55 |
| TaZeR | ahhh hello devuan, debian's eccentric cousin | 20:39 |
| TaZeR | i never did like conformity... | 20:39 |
| _hades_ | err how do I en/dis-able a service using runit? | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | _hades_, read the runit discussion on the forum. I'll get the link. | 20:58 |
| used____ | or: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Runit#General_use | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3716 | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | some paths might be different in the arch docs | 20:59 |
| used____ | Yes, but I find it is more terse. | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | but commands should be the same | 20:59 |
| used____ | http://smarden.org/runit/faq.html oem docs I think | 21:03 |
| used____ | Honestly, imo, there should have been a 'disable' and 'enable' option instead of ln -s and rm | 21:03 |
| _hades_ | super dupa thxs! | 21:07 |
| used____ | Someone is name-squatting as usual. How long till a takedown comes to runit (.org)? https://www.runit.com/ | 21:07 |
| Jookia | name-squatting by ... having a business | 22:05 |
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