| dacav | however, even if I load the module, I can't mount the root partition. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| dacav | ...so basically I'm stuck in initramfs | 00:00 |
| gnarface | /dev/md* looks like part of a path to the raid device | 00:03 |
| gnarface | seems like you set up software raid and something went wrong | 00:03 |
| dacav | I didn't really set up much :) | 00:03 |
| gnarface | did you also encrypt it? | 00:04 |
| dacav | I just gave the installer /dev/sda1 for /boot and /dev/sda2 for / | 00:04 |
| dacav | yes | 00:04 |
| dacav | yes I encrypted | 00:04 |
| gnarface | could be something to do with that, there's some configuration issues sometimes | 00:04 |
| dacav | ah, right... now that I think of it, I wasn't prompted for the luks passphrase after the boot | 00:05 |
| gnarface | try installing the cryptsetup* packages | 00:05 |
| gnarface | ... if they're not there | 00:05 |
| dacav | well, cryptsetup is not available | 00:05 |
| dacav | I'm not sure how to install thingsi n the initramfs | 00:05 |
| dacav | (or if it is even possible) | 00:06 |
| dacav | should I maybe install cryptsetup via chroot and...? | 00:06 |
| gnarface | uh, i forget sorry, but yea something like that i think | 00:06 |
| gnarface | there's a way to avoid this if you use the installer right but it's not obvious | 00:07 |
| dacav | Should this thing be submitted as a bug maybe? As a new user, I'd probably want a somewhat seamless installation, even with luks | 00:07 |
| dacav | What should I tell the installer? | 00:08 |
| dacav | I mean, what option should I enable | 00:08 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure, but i think it had something to do with being in expert mode, grabbing the right item from the "load additional installer components" menu and then doing the partitioning step just right | 00:09 |
| gnarface | it technically works and nobody who has been walked through it once ever has a problem with it again | 00:09 |
| gnarface | i'm just not one of those people, usually fsmithred helps out | 00:10 |
| dacav | expert mode? I used refractinstall | 00:11 |
| gnarface | oh, interesting | 00:11 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 00:11 |
| gnarface | then i really don't know but fsmithred is the maintainer for that | 00:11 |
| dacav | I noticed that the installation guide looks more like the debian installation: perhaps I should not have taken the netinstall | 00:12 |
| gnarface | refracta and the netinstall are not the same thing | 00:13 |
| gnarface | the netinstall disks are more like debian's installer | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | I'm here | 00:13 |
| dacav | hi fsmithred \o | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | there is a guide for the live installer | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | was the disk part of a raid before this install? | 00:13 |
| dacav | nope | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | cryptsetup is not available where? initramfs? | 00:14 |
| dacav | gnarface: sorry, I meant 'Devuan live minimal' | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | oh, no picture guide for that one, but it's the same basic flow as the gui installer | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | brb | 00:18 |
| dacav | I'll try flashing devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso and booting that | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | that will have the normal debian/devuan installer | 00:22 |
| dacav | Yes, it looks more familiar | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | I think the message you got about /dev/md0 was just because mdadm is installed, so it looks for a raid. | 00:23 |
| dacav | OK. Not sure what it means in practice but... I'm trying with netinstall currently | 00:27 |
| dacav | Uh, I'm offered with "Devuan desktop environment" and "Xfce". I read online that the default *is* xfce. What's "Devuan desktop environment" then? | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | desktop-base | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | theming and probably some other stuff | 00:37 |
| dacav | ah, I see | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | avahi, anacron, eject... 'apt show task-desktop' to see what it pulls in. | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | firefox-esr | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | you want the full desktop, or you want to start minimal and add what you want? | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | I like to un-check everything except standard system utils. | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | then add what I want after reboot. | 00:39 |
| dacav | makes sense. Well, I'm definitely going to install at least xfce, so I'll keep that. | 00:40 |
| fsmithred | ok... | 00:40 |
| dacav | Although I've seen, in other distros at least, that doing what you say leads to a neat system, with no frills | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | multiple desktops don't all play nice together, so you may run into problems if you install two DEs | 00:41 |
| dacav | that's right... I've seen the worst in my early linux days | 00:41 |
| dacav | I was more inclined towards XFCE/GTK/GNOME. Then it became GNOME3 and I definitely went to XFCE | 00:42 |
| dacav | I really don't like over-complex desktop environments | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | you and a bunch of others | 00:43 |
| dacav | xfce = sweet spot :) | 00:43 |
| dacav | mate is also OK I think | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we have a lot of mate users | 00:43 |
| dacav | Aye, I think this is the right distro in that sense. Or it looks so. | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | we think so :) | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | "more like debian than debian is" | 00:44 |
| dacav | It must be hard to stay at pace with debian, I guess? | 00:45 |
| dacav | I mean, the user/developer base is probably way bigger | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we are tiny. But we have pretty much caught up. First release was two years behind debian, last release was a few months behind. | 00:45 |
| dacav | I think the installation is mostly done... and re-thinking of it, it did not ask me about disk encryption. I'm guessing the disk is not encrypted? | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | correct | 00:50 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna get you a link to a video that shows how to encrypt a partition. it's a bit of a maze. | 00:51 |
| fsmithred | https://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/partition_encrypt-4.ogv | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | Use as: volume for encryption (or some such wording) | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | then it asks for passphrase, then you get to decide what to do with it. | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | ping me if you need help. I'll be in another window. | 00:54 |
| dacav | Thanks. I believe I'll have a look tomorrow. :) | 00:56 |
| dacav | see you next time :) | 00:57 |
| dacav | ...oh, breaking news: installation is broken in the same way | 00:59 |
| dacav | and without encryption this time | 00:59 |
| dacav | But again, I'll fix tomorrow. Thank you all for your help :) | 00:59 |
| brocashelm | has the gnuinos repo key expired? | 06:10 |
| adhoc_ | evenen all | 09:04 |
| aitor_ | brocashelm: the expiration data was yesterday, but i extended the expiry of the GPG key pair last week | 14:17 |
| aitor_ | I'm signing the repo, and it will be available in a few hours | 14:18 |
| aitor_ | *date* | 14:20 |
| dm35 | Hi, I've difficulties to enable chimaera-backports permanently | 14:50 |
| dm35 | $ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/allow-backports | 14:50 |
| dm35 | Package: * | 14:50 |
| dm35 | Pin: release a=chimaera-backports | 14:50 |
| dm35 | Pin-Priority: 500 | 14:50 |
| dm35 | apt-cache policy qemu still shows: 1:6.2+dfsg-2~bpo11+1 100 | 14:51 |
| dm35 | apt-cache policy qemu still shows priority 100: 1:6.2+dfsg-2~bpo11+1 100 | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | normally, you just need to uncomment the backports line in sources.list | 14:53 |
| fsmithred | did you run apt update after making those changes? | 14:54 |
| dm35 | yes (to apt update), and yes it is active in sources.list | 14:54 |
| dm35 | > deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main contrib non-free | 14:54 |
| dm35 | ^ not commented | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | I see the same version. What is the problem? | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | oh, the priority. | 14:56 |
| dm35 | I still need to explicitly set -t in apt install: sudo apt install -t chimaera-backports qemu | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | huh. I would expect local settings to override the server settings. | 14:56 |
| dm35 | so usually the priority updates according to the preferences files, at least what I'm familiar with in ubuntu | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | it's actually a good thing that you need to specify with -t. All the packages in backports have not been tested all together. | 14:58 |
| fsmithred | ok, I have beowulf-backports pinned to 50, and apt policy shows me 100. | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | I have other repos enabled with low priorities, and those show correctly. | 15:01 |
| dm35 | i think I might need another filter instead of "a", but it's quite difficult to understand what goes to whch (https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration) | 15:02 |
| dm35 | I mean, technically its an apt thing, but give me a minute, let me try it in my ubuntu machine before I annoy you more :) | 15:03 |
| dm35 | so yeah, it works there | 15:05 |
| dm35 | apt-cache policy lvm2 | 15:06 |
| dm35 | on a focal ubuntu | 15:06 |
| dm35 | Before: 2.03.11-2ubuntu4~ubuntu20.04.1 100 | 15:06 |
| dm35 | After: 2.03.11-2ubuntu4~ubuntu20.04.1 500 | 15:06 |
| dm35 | The only thing replaced in the preferences file is changed chimaera-backports to focal-backports | 15:06 |
| dm35 | So, then I figure out if another label filter in the preferences helps me | 15:07 |
| dm35 | But this is then an apt thing, thanks for having a look | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | it might have something to do with amprolla, which is the software that merges the debian and devuan repos (and filters out a few packages) | 15:15 |
| dm35 | Yeah, It reads the release file of that repo. But according to the previous link: a, archive: archive (base directory in the repository). I'll figure it out | 15:17 |
| dm35 | Aaah, I found the culprit | 15:23 |
| dm35 | According to `man apt_preferences` all fields are read from the Release file: In my case: http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera-backports/Release | 15:23 |
| dm35 | The `a` "tag" goes to "Archive: " or "Suite: " | 15:24 |
| dm35 | so I need to write it as "a=stable-backports" | 15:24 |
| dm35 | or "n=chimaera-backports", as this goes after Codename | 15:24 |
| dm35 | learned something more :) | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | nice work. Thanks. | 15:43 |
| aitor | hi | 23:55 |
| aitor | packages.gnuinos.org is available again | 23:55 |
| aitor | but you should reinstall gnuinos-keyring downloading it from the repo: | 23:56 |
| aitor | http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/g/gnuinos-keyring/ | 23:56 |
| aitor | apologize for the inconvenience | 23:56 |
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