| ham5urg | I've edited NetworkManager.conf and set managed=true. After restarting network-manager I still got an 'device not ready' from the xfce-network-icon. | 00:04 |
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| Hurgotron | ham5urg: Is your /etc/network/interfaces populated? AFAIR NetworkManager refuses to manage in such a case. | 00:07 |
| ham5urg | Hurgotron, thanks, now it works. The dir was empty. I was lazy so I restarted the whole OS. It works. | 00:09 |
| wikan | hi, do you know if mpt is required if i want to use usb mouse, keboard and disks? asking because i see mtp-probe not found message when i move my mouse under tty | 15:22 |
| wikan | not use why linux wants files from my mouse | 15:22 |
| gnarface | should not be required for the mouse or keyboard... some weird disks maybe | 15:24 |
| gnarface | which mouse and keyboard model? | 15:24 |
| wikan | some experanza | 15:24 |
| wikan | it is annoying when I use full screen tty apps without x | 15:25 |
| wikan | mouse pukes to active tty | 15:25 |
| wikan | and i don not know if i want my os to use any weird files from my not sure if trusted devices :D | 15:25 |
| gnarface | oh, well if you're not using X then you need gpm for mouse support, i don't know if that's related to the mtp-tools complaint | 15:26 |
| wikan | i but the cheapest mice and keyboards because all devices stop working one year after bought, no matter if cheap or not | 15:26 |
| wikan | i don't need mouse out of x | 15:27 |
| gnarface | might be the mousepad | 15:27 |
| wikan | i use mouse only under x | 15:27 |
| wikan | so, may i try to remove mtp, then? | 15:28 |
| wikan | btw i use laptop so there is laptop keyboard too | 15:29 |
| gnarface | mtp-tools - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library tools | 15:29 |
| gnarface | this mtp you mean? | 15:29 |
| wikan | nope, i have libmtp9 and libmtp-common installed | 15:29 |
| wikan | vlc requires one of them, but i can use other player | 15:30 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 15:30 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure if they're needed or not honestly | 15:30 |
| wikan | well i quess, missing of mtp-tools means no tools to probe or any use | 15:30 |
| wikan | just libs for dependences | 15:30 |
| gnarface | i can't find anything about mice needing these though | 15:30 |
| gnarface | afaik i thought they were only for a certain format of flash disk | 15:31 |
| gnarface | something usually used in cellphones... | 15:31 |
| wikan | this is why it is weird :| it is $5 mouse | 15:31 |
| gnarface | old cellphones, not used anymore typically | 15:31 |
| wikan | bye bye mtp then ;) | 15:32 |
| gnarface | what exact model of mouse? | 15:32 |
| rrq | libmtp-common installes a udev rule in /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules that wants to run mtp-probe on almost any event | 15:32 |
| wikan | can't read the model name. the font is like 4 pt. i have no mag. | 15:33 |
| gnarface | check the output of dmesg after hotplugging it, it should asy | 15:33 |
| wikan | magniffr | 15:33 |
| gnarface | should say* | 15:33 |
| wikan | sigmachip | 15:34 |
| wikan | just it | 15:34 |
| wikan | and ids | 15:34 |
| gnarface | what's the ids? | 15:34 |
| wikan | lc4f for vendor and 0034 for product | 15:35 |
| gnarface | hmm, i got nothing | 15:36 |
| gnarface | seems weird though | 15:36 |
| wikan | exactly | 15:36 |
| wikan | wait i will go for magniffer | 15:36 |
| gnarface | perhaps it's not properly recognized or something | 15:37 |
| wikan | it is just mouse and all button works fine | 15:37 |
| gnarface | yea but maybe it thinks there's flash storage on it | 15:37 |
| gnarface | maybe it's recognized as more than one device or something like that | 15:37 |
| wikan | the only label that looks like the model name is em102k | 15:37 |
| wikan | esperanza em102k | 15:38 |
| wikan | google says it is a model name | 15:38 |
| gnarface | yea i find an entry for that, and it says it works in linux | 15:39 |
| wikan | and it is true :) | 15:39 |
| wikan | works and pukes | 15:39 |
| wikan | but not under x | 15:39 |
| gnarface | maybe you're just the first person who's ever tried it... which devuan version are you using? | 15:39 |
| wikan | chimaera | 15:40 |
| wikan | maybe there is only few ppl who use TTY and that mouse at the same time ;) | 15:41 |
| gnarface | seems possible | 15:41 |
| gnarface | or it could be a new bug | 15:41 |
| gnarface | or something else going wrong | 15:41 |
| wikan | i am not sure if i have debian to compare | 15:42 |
| wikan | but i can check opensuse on my mums laptop | 15:42 |
| wikan | but i think it is meaningless | 15:43 |
| wikan | btw, i have another question and i don't understand it. Somebody - probably here - tried to explain me that | 15:44 |
| wikan | not sure if he was right | 15:44 |
| wikan | i boot to tty and i use autologin. I like to use fbterm and tmux combination without x. | 15:44 |
| wikan | so, i have laptop and external monitor - both use different resolutions | 15:45 |
| wikan | well, actually both have different rects | 15:45 |
| wikan | when i plug external monitor before booting, external monitor use first resolution from tty so doesn't fit laption image | 15:46 |
| wikan | but when I plug monitor after "linux splash time" resolution change (for example after tty login) then both fit image perfectly | 15:47 |
| wikan | before boot - black areas; after boot - perfect fit | 15:47 |
| wikan | dunno understand why linux cant resize tty on external monitor when monitor is plugged from grub time | 15:48 |
| gnarface | it might be able to, it might just not be doing it automatically, usually that's left up to X | 15:49 |
| wikan | i was told it is something about vga | 15:49 |
| gnarface | yea the bios is handling it before that, and yours probably can only do that resolution | 15:50 |
| gnarface | check out vbetool | 15:50 |
| gnarface | should be able to force a resolution change | 15:50 |
| wikan | hmmm | 15:51 |
| wikan | reading | 15:51 |
| gnarface | there might be some option you can pass to grub too but not sure if that works for the second monitor | 15:51 |
| gnarface | up to grub you'll be limited by what your bios can do, after the linux kernel loads you should be able to do more | 15:52 |
| gnarface | some laptop bioses are just whack though for external monitor support | 15:52 |
| gnarface | as in, there may be no way around this | 15:52 |
| gnarface | other than just plugging it in late | 15:53 |
| wikan | it looks like linux use graphical virtual tty | 15:53 |
| wikan | so linux changes resolution once | 15:53 |
| wikan | but it doesn't affects vga screen or doesn't fit well | 15:54 |
| gnarface | it does by default now, but you can turn that off | 15:54 |
| wikan | only when I hotplug and only if wasn't plugged before | 15:54 |
| gnarface | but that might just make things worse; that may just take both screens out of high-res mode | 15:54 |
| gnarface | you can set grub resolutions in /etc/default/grub | 15:55 |
| wikan | my last line: only works when... | 15:55 |
| wikan | naaah, i don't want static resolutions | 15:56 |
| wikan | i may change monitor | 15:56 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure that'll help | 15:56 |
| wikan | i prefer hotplugging after prompt is ready | 15:56 |
| wikan | i mean, usualy i use monitor A, but somethimes i use B | 15:57 |
| wikan | different W-H, widescreen and normal | 15:57 |
| gnarface | hmmmm... check into fbset | 16:00 |
| gnarface | maybe that can do it | 16:00 |
| gnarface | but this is something X is really better at | 16:00 |
| wikan | nope, i use fbset | 16:00 |
| gnarface | no way to do separate resolutions for different monitors with that? | 16:00 |
| wikan | i don't want separate | 16:01 |
| wikan | it is impossible | 16:01 |
| wikan | i just want to fit image to screen size | 16:01 |
| gnarface | oh, i misunderstood then | 16:01 |
| gnarface | yea maybe you need a new monitor then | 16:01 |
| wikan | laptop screen is smaller than external so on external i see black spaces | 16:01 |
| gnarface | some of them have a OSD menu option for "auto-detect" to stretch the picture to the screen | 16:01 |
| wikan | tried as i remember | 16:02 |
| gnarface | if they're different aspect ratios though you're gonna have distortion | 16:02 |
| wikan | i thing it is just kernel bug | 16:02 |
| wikan | because it works fine and not works at all, and it depends on plug time | 16:02 |
| Akuli | how do i install network-manager on beowulf? i'm updating a friend's beowulf to chimaera, and i'd like to first get rid of wicd | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | Akuli, if the metapackage wicd is installed, you will automatically get network manager. | 19:37 |
| Akuli | just the package literally named "wicd"? | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | If the install avoided metapackages like I did with my Refracta isos, you get stuck without network on upgrade. | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | yes | 19:37 |
| Akuli | hm | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | there is a wicd package in chimaera. It provides nothing and depends on network-manager-gnome | 19:38 |
| Akuli | i'm doing this remotely, i'll probably have to call my friend to help him set up the wifi connection again | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | or have him use a wire if possible | 19:38 |
| Guest9362 | desktop environment switch | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | good luck | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | from which to which? | 21:51 |
| Guest9362 | xfce to cinnamon | 21:55 |
| brocashelm | good luck | 22:00 |
| crhylove | Hey y'all! How do I change what happens when I insert a CD/DVD? I'm in buster with mate. | 23:28 |
| crhylove | nm.... The setting was in caja. | 23:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it will be a mate thing | 23:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh you found it | 23:30 |
| brocashelm | do you mean beowulf? | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | either one gets the same answer | 23:36 |
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