| * _ds_ checks and finds that that last statement is wrong | 00:00 | |
| brocashelm | i am on ceres, but i just enabled chimaera repos and checked with apt update; everything works | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| dngian5x[m] | chimaera-updates is working | 00:00 |
| buZz | dngian5x[m]: likely you made a typo | 00:01 |
| dngian5x[m] | s/updates/security/ | 00:01 |
| buZz | did you mean https:// ? | 00:01 |
| dngian5x[m] | buZz: No, I mean http://* | 00:02 |
| buZz | right, tried https yet? | 00:02 |
| dngian5x[m] | buZz: I tried didn't work | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera main contrib non-free | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | ^ works for me | 00:03 |
| dngian5x[m] | Uh, I just tried to re do an update and it works now | 00:04 |
| buZz | lol | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | or if not, change deb.devuan.org to pkgmaster.devuan.org (some servers on deb.devuan.org blacklisted my ip automatically) | 00:04 |
| dngian5x[m] | dngian5x[m]: Wtf, now it does not work when downloading stuff | 00:05 |
| dngian5x[m] | brocashelm: I'll try that | 00:05 |
| _ds_ | Might help to report the actual error… | 00:05 |
| brocashelm | copy the output and paste it here: dpaste.org | 00:05 |
| brocashelm | then we can help you understand your problem better | 00:05 |
| dngian5x[m] | s/Wtf,/Now/, s/now// | 00:10 |
| dngian5x[m] | brocashelm: changing my repos from deb.devuan.org to pkgmaster.devuan.org has solved the problem apparently | 00:12 |
| brocashelm | nice | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | Please do not use pkgmaster.devuan.org as your regular mirror. That's the one that all the mirrors copy from, and it doesn't have a lot of bandwidth. Instead, pick a mirror that's near you. Here's the list: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 01:34 |
| fsmithred | If you just use pkgmaster to test, that's fine. | 01:35 |
| Xenguy | thanks fsmithred , it's true enough | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | Here's the apt-panopticon if you want to check if a particular mirror is up or down: https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | And if you want to use https, you must pick a mirror from the list that has https. Not all of them do, and that's why it won't work with deb.devuan.org. | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | dngian5x[m], ^^^ | 01:39 |
| golinux | Also you need to be using http not https for the round-robin | 01:39 |
| Xenguy | Interesting | 01:47 |
| dngian5x[m] | <fsmithred> "And if you want to use https..." <- Ok thanks for the advices | 02:00 |
| onefang | I'm the Devuan package mirror herder, and I agree with what fsmithred said. I'll also add that if you are reporting a problem with deb.devuan.org, please also supply the particular IP address that the DNS round robin gave you that time, so I know which actual mirror to check. | 03:00 |
| brocashelm | onefang: just got one: 125.228.189.120 80 (tw1.mirror.blendbyte.net) | 03:42 |
| onefang | Looks like that one is slow to update. | 03:44 |
| dngian5x[m] | <onefang> "I'm the Devuan package mirror..." <- Can I submit a bug report with `reportbug` package? | 07:56 |
| onefang | A bug about the package mirrors? | 08:22 |
| agris | hello i'm having a issue on Chimaera, I can no longer update my kernel | 22:19 |
| agris | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-5.10.0-11-amd64_5.10.92-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 22:19 |
| agris | unable to make backup link of './boot/System.map-5.10.0-11-amd64' before installing new version: Operation not permitted | 22:19 |
| agris | my /boot is a fat32 partition, i made sure it was remounted rw, and it's EFI boot method | 22:20 |
| dngian5x[m] | agris: Are you executing this as root user? | 22:20 |
| agris | yes | 22:20 |
| agris | i think it's trying to make a symlink on a filesystem that doesn't support symlinks | 22:23 |
| agris | what can i do about this? | 22:23 |
| debdog | do you have / as rw as well? | 22:24 |
| debdog | hmm, nvm. mixed that up with the links in / | 22:25 |
| agris | yes | 22:30 |
| debdog | agris: and the mode bits of /boot? | 22:48 |
| agris | what do you mean mode bits? | 22:48 |
| debdog | as in chmod | 22:48 |
| debdog | drwx etc. | 22:49 |
| agris | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 8192 Dec 31 1969 boot | 22:49 |
| debdog | ok, it seems | 22:49 |
| debdog | are you able to "touch" a file in there? | 22:50 |
| agris | yes | 22:51 |
| chomwitt | hi. i've been familiarizing myself with debtags and the command 'debtags'. I wanted to ask it http://packagesearch.sourceforge.net/ or sth like it exist in devuan. | 22:56 |
| chomwitt | s/it/if | 22:56 |
| debdog | agris: maybe /var/log/dpkg* has more info than console output? | 22:58 |
| debdog | or /var/log/apt* | 22:59 |
| agris | Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 23:00 |
| agris | not very helpful | 23:00 |
| debdog | no | 23:00 |
| debdog | which command do use for apt stuff? if not already done try with aptitude. in my experience it comes up with the most helpful error messages | 23:01 |
| agris | apt upgrade | 23:02 |
| agris | oh it might take a while | 23:05 |
| debdog | hehe | 23:05 |
| agris | apt installing aptitude triggered a recompile of zfs-dkms | 23:05 |
| agris | ln: failed to create hard link '/boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-16-amd64.dpkg-bak' => '/boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-16-amd64': Operation not permitted | 23:07 |
| nmrp3 | hi - can I get a bit of help correctly installing devuan onto my desktop please? It is over an existing ubuntu install. | 23:08 |
| nmrp3 | I have booted into the live-desktop session | 23:08 |
| debdog | agris: just to rule that out as well... you have enough disk space on /boot? | 23:09 |
| nmrp3 | I have /home on a separate physical disk from the boot disk with my existing home | 23:09 |
| agris | debdog, yes several hundred megs | 23:10 |
| debdog | ok | 23:10 |
| agris | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-5.10.0-11-amd64_5.10.92-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 23:11 |
| agris | unable to make backup link of './boot/System.map-5.10.0-11-amd64' before installing new version: Operation not permitted | 23:11 |
| agris | dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | nmrp3, are you attempting to re-use an old home and save the files there? | 23:13 |
| debdog | agris: where does that 5.10.92 come from? I can't see it in my repos | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | debdog, uname -a | 23:15 |
| agris | probably from an older gentoo or alpine install | 23:15 |
| debdog | fsmithred: mine? | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | just saying that will show both numbers | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | package version and actual kernel version | 23:16 |
| debdog | ok, I meant, I cannot see that version number in devuan repos | 23:16 |
| agris | it's not being used for Devuan | 23:16 |
| agris | but the kernel still exists in there for when I need to boot into a different bootenv | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | -11 is old. I'm on -16 in chimaera | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | and apt keeps wanting to remove -14 | 23:17 |
| nmrp3 | fsmithred, yes - I have /dev/nvme0n1 as home, and /dev/sda as my boot disk also with a swap partition and / | 23:17 |
| debdog | oh, now I am totally confused | 23:17 |
| agris | one moment | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | nmrp3, I strongly recommend that you do not select your home partition for home during the install | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | change in manually after the install | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | change fstab, I mean | 23:18 |
| agris | uh | 23:18 |
| agris | nevermind | 23:18 |
| agris | I got confused too | 23:18 |
| agris | how can I check where it comes from? | 23:18 |
| agris | debdog, | 23:18 |
| debdog | I am uncertain of that | 23:19 |
| nmrp3 | fsmithred, so you recommend that I install to sda as if it was a single disk system, and then after it works mount in home? | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 23:19 |
| agris | I don't have any non-devuan serouces | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | the installer will write files to the home, and you might not want that. | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | and that assumes you set the installer not to format your partitions. | 23:19 |
| agris | just chimaera main, updates, and security | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | otherwise it will wipe your home | 23:20 |
| debdog | agris: it simply is 5.10.0-11 then, agris | 23:20 |
| debdog | that's ok. | 23:20 |
| agris | yes perhaps thats a patch level not the kernel level | 23:20 |
| nmrp3 | gotcha - sda currently has 1 (swap), 2 (extended), 5 (linux) | 23:20 |
| agris | do you have security and and updates enabled? | 23:20 |
| nmrp3 | should I let the installer format and partition sda? | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | nmrp3, that should be fine. | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | yes, format | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | or... | 23:21 |
| debdog | yes, agris. but I do not do automatic kernel updates | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | format with gparted before install and check the no-format box | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | in case you want something other than ext | 23:22 |
| agris | well if you don't enable that you probably won't get newer revisions of the package | 23:22 |
| agris | in your repo | 23:22 |
| debdog | agris: was trying to try it myself inside a vm but got side tracked... | 23:22 |
| agris | thanks | 23:23 |
| debdog | and now I am getting quite sleepy, as usual. will try to catch some sleep but probably will show up again in an hour or so | 23:23 |
| debdog | also as usual | 23:23 |
| agris | oh ok | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | nmrp3, one clarification: the live installer does not partition. You do that yourself. You can use the existing partitions and let the installer format them. | 23:27 |
| nmrp3 | fsmithred, is there an easy way to get gparted to make a swap file to match my ram? | 23:34 |
| nmrp3 | or is that not needed any more for sleep/suspend? | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | you can re-use the swap partition. Is it big enough? | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | installer should see it and let you select it for use | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | if no swap partition, then it will make a swap file | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | you can adjust the size of the swapfile in /etc/refractainstaller.conf | 23:36 |
| nmrp3 | fsmithred, I'll delete it - it was sized from before I last upgraded the ram | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | you can make a new partition for swap, but you would have to prepare it manually first. | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | swap is needed for hibernation, which requires no power. Suspend to ram requires power. | 23:38 |
| fsmithred | I use the default 256mb swapfile. It's hardly used. | 23:40 |
| nmrp3 | ok, looks like I'm going to have to move it from eng-us to eng-uk after install | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | yeah, or boot into uk to start with | 23:42 |
| fsmithred | en_gb | 23:42 |
| nmrp3 | it didn't give the option of eng_gb | 23:42 |
| fsmithred | I think it's set to Italian if you choose Other language, and you have to edit. | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | press TAB to edit | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | or change it after you reboot into the install | 23:43 |
| nmrp3 | ok ... here goes with the first ever devuan reboot | 23:46 |
| fsmithred | well? | 23:49 |
| agris | it blows up into smitherins | 23:51 |
| nmrp3 | I'm in - just testing that I have sudo... | 23:51 |
| fsmithred | cool | 23:51 |
| nmrp3 | yup - ok so now I need to install nvidia drivers and then go through the usual new system housecleaning | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | yuk | 23:52 |
| nmrp3 | nuveau just simply don't work | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | use --no-install-recommends to avoid the trouble with nvidia-persistenced | 23:52 |
| nmrp3 | ok | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | it's not needed | 23:53 |
| nmrp3 | what trouble? | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | dependency troubles | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | it won't install | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | are you coming to devuan from debian? | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | (or other debian-based) | 23:56 |
| nmrp3 | from ubuntu | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | ok, that helps | 23:57 |
| nmrp3 | got fed up with the services subsystem (init.d stuff) constantly breaking or locking my box up | 23:57 |
| nmrp3 | and couldn't get midi to work | 23:57 |
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