| rwp | Thanks for that information bb|hcb! The transparency of being able to look at the actual files is really very nice. | 00:12 |
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| ted-ious | How much space does it take to host a package mirror? | 04:58 |
| ted-ious | Looks like it's at least 60gb. | 05:00 |
| gnarface | ted-ious: i think if you just want to mirror devuan-specific packages it's a lot less | 05:33 |
| gnarface | or at least it used to be... i could be wrong | 05:33 |
| ted-ious | gnarface: 60gb for devuan specific and 2tb for debian. | 05:42 |
| onefang | About CC.deb.devuan.org: When the world stops kicking my arse and I get to settle down for a bit, I'll get around to making that more official. | 06:02 |
| * onefang goes back to weekending and waking up. | 06:04 | |
| ham5urg | A user asked me if the filemanager (thunar or nautilus) is able to search (beside filenames) metadata also, e.g. the data in office and pdf files. | 14:04 |
| ham5urg | I would like to make this happen, what do you think about it? | 14:04 |
| ham5urg | Further, maybe is a fuzzy search possible, e.g. to find words like fuzzy when fzuzy entered. | 14:05 |
| ham5urg | Is there something in the Repo I could use? | 14:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | something like recoll? | 14:14 |
| khazakar | Fzf? | 14:18 |
| ham5urg | recoll has a GUI which I need for my users. When I try to install it, I add the suggested packages to, like 'pstotext' but there is no package. | 14:28 |
| ham5urg | Is ps2text needed for PDF metadata support? | 14:29 |
| ham5urg | I use testing, that's why it is missing :-/ | 14:31 |
| ham5urg | recoll looks capable, thanks | 15:07 |
| ham5urg | Any Gnome installation suffers from this https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/yj70n7/gnomebasegnomekeyring_high_cpu_usage/ | 15:24 |
| ham5urg | Has anyone handled it and if so, how? | 15:24 |
| spine-o-saurus | hay what was the method to install sdl2-mixer-dev on the daedalus? It is saying there is libsystemd-0 error | 17:52 |
| spine-o-saurus | compat issue? | 17:52 |
| fsmithred | spine-o-saurus, do you have libelogind0 installed? | 17:54 |
| spine-o-saurus | ya it shows amd64 & i386 version installed | 17:57 |
| ham5urg_ | When installing a desktop via the installer, is the local time managed via ntp? Or do I have to install another package? | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | maybe telling the exact error would help. | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg_, if you do expert install it will ask if you want ntp or not | 18:28 |
| ham5urg_ | too late :-/ | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | I think it probably does use it to set the time | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | that and whatever you tell it for tzdata | 18:29 |
| ham5urg_ | which package is invoked by the installer? I install it manually | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | ntp will run automatically, ntpdate will run only at boot | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | ntpsec-ntpdate is the new package name | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | ntp is still ntp | 18:30 |
| ham5urg_ | thanks | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | add some timeservers to the config file | 18:32 |
| ham5urg_ | This package https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/pstotext is missed in Debian/Devuan which blocks recoll to search through pdf's. For my office-users a problem. I installed it manually via dpkg. | 18:41 |
| spine-o-saurus | any suggestion on the sdl2-mixer-dev issue? It is still saying there is libsystemd-0 error | 19:14 |
| spine-o-saurus | that was the last package i needed installed | 19:14 |
| norayr | hey devuan folks | 20:58 |
| norayr | i am trying to migrate my bullseye debian to devuan, and i have problems. | 20:58 |
| brocashelm | norayr: what is the output when running sudo apt dist-upgrade? use dpaste.org or paste.debian.net for your pastes, and then link back here | 20:59 |
| norayr | i tried following this manual: https://mn3m.info/posts/migrating-from-debian-to-devuan/ and this script: https://git.devuan.org/rrq/debian-to-devuan/src/branch/master | 20:59 |
| norayr | i didn't try dist-upgrade (unless the script tried) but apt-get upgrade fails, i'll show you in a minute. | 21:00 |
| norayr | shell i try dist-upgrade after changing the sources.list? | 21:00 |
| brocashelm | yes, point your repos to devuan's | 21:00 |
| norayr | http://dpaste.com/5QUMSRZS8 and http://dpaste.com/BEGE53U4J | 21:02 |
| norayr | yes yes, those are pointed. | 21:02 |
| norayr | and i manually installed the keyring package, downloaded and used dpkg. | 21:02 |
| norayr | firts is output of apt-get upgrade, second of apt-get --fix-broken install | 21:03 |
| norayr | dist-upgrade gives me the same as upgrade (first link) | 21:06 |
| brocashelm | yeah, it always seems to be an issue when it comes to installing other inits. you even tried to install sysvinit-core from debian's side? | 21:11 |
| brocashelm | i know they became more init-optional sometime ago (you didn't have to have systemd installed from a tasksel), so maybe try to install that package to override the systemd and then remove systemd? | 21:13 |
| norayr | hmm. | 21:13 |
| norayr | so restore the old sources.list and try to install sysvinit-core... | 21:13 |
| norayr | but i lost the old sources.list (: | 21:13 |
| norayr | let me try to find it and install manually. | 21:14 |
| norayr | i found correct sources.list and installing sysvinit-core removed many xorg packages. | 21:18 |
| springtide | hi, im a bit unsure weather these heavy openssl bugs CVE-2022-3786 and CVE-2022-3602 are fixed in chimaera or not, since openssl.org says they are fixed in 1.1.1s but devuan delivers 1.1.1n. | 21:18 |
| lts | springtide: those vulns only affected 3.0.x. The 1.1.1 series was not affected. The version of openssl in Devuan/Debian is not 1.1.1n, it is 1.1.1n-0+deb11u3 which contains backported security fixes | 21:23 |
| lts | https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20221101.txt "OpenSSL 1.1.1 and 1.0.2 are not affected by this issue." | 21:24 |
| springtide | thank you. i promise i'll read the complete cve's in future. good work guys. bye | 21:25 |
| brocashelm | you can get the xorg packages back | 21:25 |
| gnarface | norayr: expected behavior, just reinstall them after you put the devuan sources.list back | 21:26 |
| gnarface | norayr: in some upgrade paths even the running kernel was removed, just make sure you have one before you reboot it | 21:26 |
| brocashelm | a useful command you could try if apt dist-upgrade still doesn't work is aptitude full-upgrade (if it looks risky, try aptitude safe-upgrade) | 21:28 |
| norayr | yeah but together with xorg packages it removed network manager | 21:43 |
| norayr | so i think i need to create a wpa_supplicant config and connect to wifi to continue. | 21:43 |
| brocashelm | this might help: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/network-configuration.html | 21:47 |
| brocashelm | scroll down to manual wireless network configuration (last section) | 21:47 |
| brocashelm | you will be able to get network-manager and the other missing packages soon enough if you follow with the migration to devuan | 21:48 |
| brocashelm | network-manager is one of the many packages that depend on systemd, unsurprisingly | 21:49 |
| brocashelm | devuan forked it and around 150-200-ish packages to make them work with alternate inits | 21:49 |
| norayr | yes, thank you! i will get back soon, will configure the network manually and come. | 21:49 |
| norayr | i eventually configured wpa_supplicant by hand | 21:58 |
| norayr | and now connected | 21:58 |
| norayr | but the apt process is thill there | 21:58 |
| norayr | so i think it asked a question on a non-existent terminal and waits | 21:59 |
| norayr | or i don't know | 21:59 |
| norayr | i cannot run apt now. shell i kill it? | 21:59 |
| gnarface | hmm, probably | 21:59 |
| gnarface | you sure the network is routing right? | 21:59 |
| norayr | yeah, now it suggested calling dpkg --configure -a | 21:59 |
| norayr | okay | 21:59 |
| gnarface | "dpkg --configure -a" probably couldn't hurt | 22:00 |
| gnarface | it usually just tells you to do that when packages were interrupted | 22:01 |
| norayr | so, sysvinit-core is still in 'rc' state | 22:01 |
| norayr | i can do apt-get -f install but that removes more xorg packages and kernel | 22:01 |
| norayr | linux-image which is current | 22:01 |
| gnarface | like i said you may have to uninstall and reinstall the actual running kernel | 22:01 |
| gnarface | and udev | 22:01 |
| norayr | ok trying | 22:02 |
| gnarface | like i said, just make sure you put them back before you reboot | 22:02 |
| gnarface | and use eudev instead of udev though that may be automatic now | 22:02 |
| gnarface | this is with you sources.list pointing at devuan now right? | 22:03 |
| norayr | ok removed kernel, installing sysvinit-core | 22:03 |
| norayr | hmmmm, it was removing lightdm... and i guess i hunged once again. i dont see updates from it over the network | 22:04 |
| gnarface | the network hangs are problematic... now would be a very bad time to have a power out | 22:04 |
| gnarface | the network traffic is just bottoming out mid package? | 22:04 |
| norayr | yeah i think i lost connection to it. | 22:05 |
| gnarface | sigh | 22:05 |
| norayr | i guess i have to just reinstall it... | 22:05 |
| gnarface | yea, just try again... are you using deb.devuan.org? | 22:05 |
| norayr | ok nothing important on that board. | 22:05 |
| norayr | i had debian on the board, but wanted to turn it into devuan. | 22:05 |
| norayr | now i'll download an installer, and will do that with installer. | 22:06 |
| gnarface | wait | 22:06 |
| gnarface | you giving up? | 22:06 |
| norayr | i have no kernel | 22:06 |
| gnarface | don't give up, you're almost there | 22:06 |
| norayr | the monitor is black | 22:06 |
| gnarface | oh | 22:06 |
| norayr | i lost ssh | 22:06 |
| gnarface | wait, ctrl+alt+f2 does nothing? | 22:06 |
| norayr | i am sorry, yes, the problem is i have no kbd connected and i am not sure i have a keyboard at all... | 22:07 |
| norayr | (i don't want to be such problematic but i am in the middle of move and probably it packaged in some box) | 22:07 |
| gnarface | oh, if i had known that i might have suggested a different approach | 22:07 |
| norayr | i had mouse though and i was using it with onboard in gui. | 22:07 |
| norayr | i am sorry that your efforts were fruitless. | 22:08 |
| gnarface | it would have worked if we were more careful about this | 22:08 |
| norayr | yes, or if this thing didn't hung in the middle of removing lightdm for some reason. | 22:09 |
| gnarface | it should be possible to repair and continue from a live image or installer image | 22:09 |
| gnarface | you don't need to start over, but you might have to chroot | 22:09 |
| norayr | true, maybe i'll try with chroot. | 22:09 |
| norayr | what i am now afraid of is wireless driver firmware | 22:10 |
| norayr | there were unofficial debian builds with those. so that i wouldn't need to use wired connection. | 22:10 |
| norayr | does devuan contain firmware or linux-firmware? | 22:10 |
| gnarface | devuan does | 22:11 |
| gnarface | don't worry about that | 22:11 |
| norayr | great! | 22:11 |
| gnarface | my guess is when it uninstalled lightdm it probably also uninstalled sshd right out from underneath you | 22:11 |
| gnarface | but that's just a guess | 22:12 |
| norayr | heh (: | 22:12 |
| norayr | maybe | 22:12 |
| norayr | it said the following packages will be removed: libpam-systemd lightdm mate-applet-brisk-menu mate-control-center mate-panel mate-polkit mate-settings-daemon modemmanager packagekit packagekit-tools policykit-1 rtkit synaptic systemd-sysv | 22:12 |
| gnarface | yea, it's a mess but a bunch of the graphical login stuff is all tied to systemd-specific permission-backend packages, which means they all get removed first before the forked ones get put back in | 22:13 |
| gnarface | you just gotta kinda hold its hand through it, but it's not something safe to do remotely | 22:13 |
| gnarface | wifi also is an extra complication, i would have advised against it | 22:13 |
| norayr | more reasons to switch to devuan. | 22:14 |
| gnarface | agreed, sorry it's been difficult so far | 22:15 |
| norayr | btw i learned about devuan from the project maemo-leste. i have it running on my motorola droid4. they use devuan as an underlying os. | 22:15 |
| gnarface | it's really not always this bad, you're kinda in a worst-case scenario | 22:15 |
| norayr | and on my other systems i run gentoo without systemd. | 22:16 |
| gnarface | hmm, i've been meaning to try out maemo-leste | 22:16 |
| norayr | yeah, thats okay, used to troubles. thank you so much for support! | 22:16 |
| norayr | really? you have some supported device? | 22:16 |
| gnarface | let's step over to #devuan-offtopic | 22:16 |
| fluffywolf | devuan has a 0% success rate of including wifi firmware for me, so you might want to check your specific wifi firmware needs. | 22:17 |
| norayr | oh sure. and let me add #devuan and #devuan-offtopic in my pidgin. | 22:17 |
| norayr | fluffywolf, i'll figure it how soon. | 22:24 |
| SagestMage | hello all. I'm curious if anyone here has any experience with running s6, or suite66 on the debian system. | 23:34 |
| oemb1905 | has anyone made a devuan friendly recipe for mastodon? | 23:59 |
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