| joerg | I wonder if pali is around eventually | 01:51 |
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| joerg | was there an option to **read** using ROMBL / oxFFFF ? | 01:52 |
| LjL | joerg, what's the deal with Maemo-leste, is it competing, or just different, or what? | 03:40 |
| joerg | leste is targeted at fully replacing fremantle on arbitrary devices, basically a complete rebuild from ground to top | 03:42 |
| joerg | it might replace whole subsystems by more open more modern but possibly incompatible under the hood versions | 03:43 |
| LjL | so maybe best to give it more time before nuking my N900 eh? | 03:43 |
| joerg | think of a non-apllicable but handy example: replacing fremantle's "proprietary" bootsystem by systemd. Won't happen afaik but it would be a very typical case | 03:44 |
| joerg | I have no idea how far leste got with replication of all fremantle maemo systems and functions | 03:45 |
| joerg | fremantle uses a relatively huge mostly proprietary and sometimes even closed source middleware layer based on dbus messaging, leste might use ofono instead, I don't know | 03:48 |
| joerg | best you ask in #maemo-leste | 03:56 |
| joerg | I'm really not up-to-date what those great guys are doing | 03:57 |
| joerg | I know they are still amazingly active | 03:57 |
| joerg | https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/maemo-leste/2021-10-12 | 03:58 |
| joerg | LjL: ask in #maemo-leste what's status of leste on N900, what works, what doesn't and what about compatibility to old app repos or new apps compatible with leste. Then you decide | 04:11 |
| joerg | LjL: you for sure could set up a dual-boot system on N900, to compare the two side by side and switch between them to your liking | 04:12 |
| LjL | it might be interesting | 04:13 |
| joerg | unless leste doesn't work on N900 at all anymore, for too limited resources on the poor little old omap3 system | 04:13 |
| joerg | no idea really | 04:13 |
| LjL | and if the goal is to make it work on any device, well, honestly, Maemo is still superior to any other attempt at a mobile OS alternative to Android in my opinion | 04:13 |
| LjL | i think it said on their website that it does work | 04:14 |
| LjL | i checked a while ago | 04:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | From what I understand the important things missing for N900 is phone, sms is cli only. It's still way too alpha for me to daily drive. | 10:26 |
| drathir_tor | sixwheeledbeast: i guess for person which is skilled in coding write a wrapper it there would be access to current n900 sms system which works just fine would be matter of hours or days probably... the "problem" probably is not as many users to attrack someone willing to code that functionality... | 11:29 |
| drathir_tor | joerg: dualboot in n900 and painless flashing is the biggest advantage in my opinion especially when You intended to play with phone... | 11:32 |
| * drathir_tor think with android biggest issue always would be it not allow full user choice at the hw capabilities, it just allow what google decide too its similar approach to apple, but less invasive/restrictive... | 11:35 | |
| drathir_tor | would be nice to have possibility of full permissions tweak (enable/disable/bypass-mimic with user definied vaules) which could give full user manage of installed apps, now its very lacking with force restrict app access to system informations... | 11:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | A mean a wrapper for sms and no phone calls is still very alpha for a daily device | 11:50 |
| drathir_tor | sixwheeledbeast: at least for me excluding usb issue n900 was pretty comfortable device for daily usage, but obviously if You like to play with device could have more sense have separate phone for just calling/sms purposes to avoid downtime when restarting or configurations tweaking... | 12:00 |
| * drathir_tor is pretty sure the device would be still usable if no dead usb ^^ (assume there could being needed battery replacement, but hw itself should be just fine after such many years) | 12:03 | |
| joerg | >><drathir_tor> would be nice to have possibility of full permissions tweak...<< indeed, that's the core point. Alas it has its downsides which are dumb users expecting nothing bad ever may happen no matter what they install or configure. With great power comes great responsibility - only a small fraction of users is even capable of understanding that concept | 18:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | clearly our "daily usage" is not the same. | 18:54 |
| drathir_tor | joerg: im pretty sure "disclaimer not for dum users or mopre polite experienced user usage only advised"... ^^ joerg such simple thing like fully configurable firewall in n900 was blessing as much or only just little things matters a lot... (and i aware ppl able to cut themself from network with that but still not flexability fault but just users for misconfiguration of tool) ^^ such user fully | 23:36 |
| drathir_tor | controled device is what is really missing in phones world (and im aware gsm modem probably still unable to kontroling closed source blobs parts with backdoors hidden, but even for that is solution already discovered simple hw killswitch for power delivery...) | 23:36 |
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