| gnarface | rapha: i just meant when i did "apt-cache search ..." for it | 02:04 |
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| gnarface | btw anyone notice something seems to be wrong with pkginfo.devuan.org ? | 02:14 |
| fluffywolf | 502 Bad Gateway, it seems. | 02:16 |
| fluffywolf | I'm tempted to say someone mentioned something about a server migration, but I think that was a different server... | 02:16 |
| rrq | ta. pkginfo up again | 02:22 |
| gnarface | still seems down from here | 02:24 |
| rrq | hmm dns problem outbound from that server | 02:36 |
| rrq | apparently it gets deb.devuan.org resolved to 2001:4190:801c:1::150 and that host just hangs | 02:38 |
| rrq | wonder why it's dns lookup doesn't RR | 02:40 |
| rrq | does wget (now) sort the dns response? | 02:42 |
| gnarface | no | 02:44 |
| rrq | mmm seems to .. it consistently wants 2001:4190:801c:1::150 for deb.devuan.org | 02:45 |
| gnarface | hmm, not seeing that behavior from here | 02:46 |
| rrq | you have ipv6? try: wget -O /dev/null http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 02:46 |
| gnarface | i'm getting 54.36.142.179 for pkginfo.devuan.org and the round-robin appears to be working for deb.devuan.org | 02:46 |
| gnarface | 89.174.102.150, 125.228.189.120, 95.216.15.86... | 02:47 |
| gnarface | probably have ipv6 disabled still | 02:47 |
| gnarface | that wget command works | 02:48 |
| rrq | for ipv6 it consistly tries 2001:4190:801c:1::150 and that host accept the connection and then stays silent | 02:48 |
| rrq | ... I'll try to add a -4 somehow | 02:49 |
| rrq | hmm atrace suggetst that wget gets IP in some order and the chosen is neither first nor last, but consistently chosen... and it is the "alphabetically" first. I'd say wget sorts them | 03:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 04:06 |
| AlexLikeRock | there | 04:06 |
| golinux | Hi AlexLikeRock . . . haven't seen you in a long time . . . | 04:09 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi , | 04:23 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes because, i move my home to another place without internet . | 04:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | now, i get internet , but no much time for me X_X | 04:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | :-S | 04:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | nice to see you golinux | 04:26 |
| rrq | gnarface: I think I got pkginfo sorted; not at all wget's "fault" as such | 04:27 |
| golinux | Nice to see you back. :D | 04:27 |
| AlexLikeRock | any one can help me about permisions | 04:27 |
| golinux | Sadly not me . . . | 04:27 |
| AlexLikeRock | i can't login as root at terminal | 04:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | su : not work | 04:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | sudo : not work | 04:28 |
| golinux | You using su -? | 04:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes : and not work | 04:28 |
| gnarface | rrq: no dice here, still hanging trying to retrieve 54.36.142.179 | 04:28 |
| gnarface | rrq: could it be dns propagation delay? | 04:29 |
| rrq | ok; might be me. pls pm me your IP | 04:29 |
| golinux | AlexLikeRock: With the - ? | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | id -Gn dog | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | dog adm disk lp cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin fuse scanner saned pulse vboxusers kismet pulse-access admin | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | this its my normal user | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | su - | 04:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | su: Fail autentication | 04:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | you see something wrong in my user groups ? | 04:30 |
| golinux | I wouldn;tknow what to look for. :) | 04:31 |
| * golinux goes to do laundry | 04:31 | |
| rrq | gnarface: better now? | 04:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | noooo come on golinux | 04:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | and i hace mount somting different | 04:33 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://paste.pics/LEHCH | 04:33 |
| AlexLikeRock | take a look | 04:33 |
| gnarface | rrq: nope, still down | 04:35 |
| rrq | right. no still hanging on wget... now ipv4 89.174.102.150 | 04:36 |
| Liam_Nesson | AlexLikeRock Is your normal user a member of the wheel group? | 04:40 |
| rrq | gnarface: trialling with --read-timeout | 04:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 04:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | welll | 04:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | im back | 04:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://paste.pics/LEHCH take a look "system " and "PROC" | 04:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | looks something is wrong | 04:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | gnarface, | 04:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | can you help me ? | 04:52 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: uh, theoretically but i'm too paranoid to click on strange links | 04:53 |
| gnarface | doh | 04:54 |
| rrq | gnarface: now I believe pkginfo is fixed (again:) | 05:00 |
| gnarface | rrq: no luck here yet | 05:01 |
| gnarface | is it just not gonna work without ipv6 working at my end? | 05:01 |
| gnarface | or should it work on ipv4 only networks? | 05:01 |
| rrq | ipv4 is fine | 05:02 |
| rrq | hmm doesn't hang now | 05:02 |
| gnarface | nslookup is showing me 54.36.142.179 and 2001:41d0:8:732b::3624:8eb3 for ip addresses on pkginfo.devuan.org | 05:02 |
| rrq | yes that's correct | 05:03 |
| gnarface | wget does show it attempting to fetch from the ipv4 one, but it just hangs like firefox | 05:04 |
| rrq | can't do whois on you .. ("rate limited" and my irssi does it all the time apparently) | 05:06 |
| rrq | ok.. checking | 05:07 |
| gnarface | just do /who, it's only one line of output | 05:07 |
| gnarface | for some reason /whois is different on this server and dumps out 7 lines of text at once, never seen that before | 05:08 |
| rrq | ok; your IP was used by some "baddie" recently... | 05:08 |
| gnarface | do you have any incident report or did it just get anonymously added to a blacklist? it's a static ip... | 05:09 |
| rrq | or it was me .. just before .. now it's opened | 05:09 |
| rrq | yeah; it was me... | 05:09 |
| golinux | rrq: pkginfo not connecting here either on ipv4 | 05:10 |
| gnarface | still not working for me | 05:10 |
| golinux | 504 Gateway Time-out | 05:10 |
| golinux | It is always very slow to connect. | 05:11 |
| rrq | pm me your IP .. I might have got a bit excited | 05:11 |
| rrq | hmm is it hanging now again ? | 05:12 |
| gnarface | can you confirm if my ip was flagged for the searches i was doing last night, or is it just unspecified activity? | 05:13 |
| rrq | no I added it before when trying to deal with pkginfo hanging | 05:13 |
| gnarface | oh, so by mistake you mean? | 05:14 |
| gnarface | i just want to be clear on that because i've had problems with people libeling me in this fashion before; both by spoofing my IP and by spoofing my domain | 05:14 |
| gnarface | i've also been a target of blanket network block bans for other ips nearby me that i don't own | 05:15 |
| gnarface | but this one is static and should have been only under my control for some years now | 05:15 |
| rrq | yes this was a mistake | 05:15 |
| gnarface | ok, thanks for clearing that up | 05:15 |
| gnarface | i have also had an issue with something using my tf2 server as both a target and a source for a ddos reflection attack (a known issue with tf2 servers) but that's a different ip from this one | 05:16 |
| rrq | right now pkginfo was kept busy by 93.158.90.12 crawling it | 05:17 |
| gnarface | hmm, that's not me | 05:18 |
| gnarface | internet vikings international | 05:18 |
| gnarface | oy vey | 05:18 |
| brocashelm | testing a jessie live iso. archive.devuan.org is the path now, right? and, it's only the main jessie repo that still exists? | 05:20 |
| brocashelm | if so, does that mean -updates, -security, -proposed-updates, and -backports are removed or merged with the main repo? | 05:20 |
| snork | Just in case it is of any help... I am at 216.154.45.215, pkginfo.devuan.org resolves to 54.36.142.179 for me, and I get a "504 Gateway Time-out" when trying to access https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ (it actually looks like it forwards to https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html first). | 05:23 |
| rrq | again it should be better now; but someone has worked out how to ddos | 05:28 |
| * snork cheers | 05:30 | |
| snork | Thanks rrq it works for me now! | 05:30 |
| gnarface | i'll check in a minute | 05:30 |
| rrq | I might have to turn off the Content listings | 05:31 |
| gnarface | is there a timer on the search script? | 05:32 |
| gnarface | i mean, i know there is but what's it set at? | 05:32 |
| brocashelm | care to answer my jessie question? | 05:32 |
| gnarface | not sure about that, i think they were just removed | 05:33 |
| gnarface | jessie is past EOL | 05:33 |
| gnarface | i think you're right about the archive domain though | 05:34 |
| rrq | yes, pkginfo processing has a few different timeouts, and requests are serialized, but gets stocked up. | 05:34 |
| gnarface | rrq: pkginfo.devuan.org is coming up for me now | 05:35 |
| brocashelm | yes, i know it's eol; i'm just wondering if that's the only repo around and if the other repos were either merged with it or deleted | 05:36 |
| brocashelm | just checking it out for historical reasons :) | 05:37 |
| gnarface | hmm, i think i'm still seeing jessie under deb.devuan.org | 05:37 |
| gnarface | oh, with an expired InRelease file though | 05:38 |
| rrq | yes jessie is at archive.devuan.org | 05:38 |
| gnarface | do you know if that also has ""-updates and ""-security? | 05:39 |
| gnarface | or were they just dropped? | 05:39 |
| rrq | those are all dropped; a single repo line | 05:39 |
| gnarface | but the contents of them were dropped too, right? not merged? | 05:40 |
| rrq | I think it all went into the single repo | 05:40 |
| gnarface | hmm, brocashelm worth checking if they're merged | 05:41 |
| gnarface | i'd like to know for sure | 05:41 |
| rrq | archive.debian.org/debian/dists features a jessie-backports though, which then is not available on archive.devuan.org | 05:42 |
| brocashelm | ah, those were merged? if so, i'll have a look | 05:43 |
| gnarface | i thought they were merely dropped but i could be wrong | 05:46 |
| rrq | my memory is that the primary repo got updated with the then most recent of everything when archived | 05:49 |
| rrq | at least any devuan packages; not sure about debian | 05:49 |
| brocashelm | kernel for jessie is still showing 3.16+63+deb8u2; not seeing any backports there | 05:52 |
| brocashelm | ^ after running apt update | 05:52 |
| brocashelm | since backported packages must have bpo added to them | 05:53 |
| rrq | debian's jessie-backports seems o have 4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1 | 05:55 |
| rrq | you'd have to use that repo line, and careful pinning | 05:55 |
| brocashelm | i'm going to try that | 05:56 |
| brocashelm | and yeah, i do see one negative pinning against systemd-sysv | 05:57 |
| brocashelm | only thing is the gpg key has expired. wonder if there is another way to access? | 06:16 |
| brocashelm | didn't know there was such a thing as backports-sloppy | 06:17 |
| rrq | maybe "faketime" can handle it? | 06:23 |
| brocashelm | rrq: i will try this again later and update you and gnarface on the status | 07:45 |
| Guest82 | hello. is there any way to make a full backup of my system and to reload it to a clean install? | 12:16 |
| brocashelm | guest82: there are several methods that i know of for full system backups | 12:19 |
| brocashelm | rsync is a common way to do it, but you could also use a partition program like gparted to copy and paste the original data on another drive | 12:20 |
| brocashelm | timeshift automatically runs hourly/daily/weekly/monthly cron jobs to create system images and store them wherever you told it to | 12:20 |
| brocashelm | backintime is good for backing up your home folder using rsync | 12:21 |
| brocashelm | also recommendeded is clonezilla | 12:23 |
| brocashelm | those should all be available in the repos | 12:23 |
| Guest82 | many thanks. i`ll check them out. | 12:23 |
| onefang | Though "reload it to aclean install" implies Guest82 only wants the non system bits to be backed up, which might be tricky if there's /etc changes they want to keep, and other things in the usual system directories. | 12:24 |
| brocashelm | etckeeper, maybe? | 12:28 |
| Guest82 | no, i`d like to migrate system settings as well. sry, i was unclear about that | 12:29 |
| Guest82 | I guess Timeshift will do it | 12:29 |
| onefang | etckeeper is good. | 12:30 |
| brocashelm | your /etc is usually safe to restore as it was, with a few changes here and there (like fstab, grub, and apt sources/preferences/configs) | 12:31 |
| Guest82 | i see | 12:34 |
| brocashelm | are you just reinstalling chimaera/stable? or two different versions? | 12:36 |
| Guest82 | i made some mistakes in /etc folder and I`d like to revert it back to its original state. maybe there`s an easier way to do that? | 12:40 |
| onefang | That's the sort of thing etckeeper is good for. | 12:40 |
| onefang | It wraps /etc in a git resository, and makes sure it's updated automatically when you do apt things to insert / delete / update packages, and also can be configured to not let apt change things if there's uncomitted changes you need to commit manually. | 12:42 |
| onefang | So if you make a mistake, you can use normal git commands to roll it back. | 12:42 |
| onefang | But it can't do that sort of thing if you didn't have it installed before the mistake. | 12:43 |
| Guest82 | and what if there isn`t any backups yet< | 12:43 |
| Guest82 | yeah.. that`s the problem | 12:43 |
| onefang | Well now you know for next time. | 12:43 |
| brrm | I installed Chimaera using the desktop-live ISO. But somehow I have not been asked which init system I want to use. How can I install OpenRC? | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | brrm, the live isos just install what's running on the iso. The installer isos give you a choice. If you have already installed the system, just install openrc and follow the instructions. | 21:55 |
| brrm | Installer ISO is '*_-desktop.iso'? | 21:56 |
| fsmithred | apt update && apt install openrc | 21:56 |
| fsmithred | desktop.iso not desktop-live.iso? | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | live isos have "live" in the file name. | 21:57 |
| brrm | ok, I see. | 21:58 |
| brrm | thank you | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | installer isos use the debian(devuan)-installer | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | and should ask you which init system to use. | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | maybe it only asks in expert mode. I'm not sure. | 22:00 |
| fsmithred | anyway, it's easy to change after the install. | 22:00 |
| brrm | Yes, but as I will install devuan to 9 Laptops I rather start from scratch | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | might be worth it to do the automated install, so you don't have to answer all the questions a bunch of times. | 22:04 |
| brrm | where can I find information about automated install? | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | probably debian wiki | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | https://wiki.debian.org/AutomatedInstallation https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | try those two | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | another way to do it is to make your own live iso with whatever software and configs you want and then installing that nine times. | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | well, maybe eight times. First one gets done to make the snapshot iso. | 22:13 |
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