| celsius | FatPhil: I have devuan unstable (ceres). Excuse me, how do I see from cmdline the booted kernel? Which line should contain /etc/default/grub ? | 00:25 |
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| brocashelm | uname -r should tell you the kernel you're using | 00:39 |
| brocashelm | and the line in question is: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false | 00:39 |
| brocashelm | are the packages linux-headers-6.1.0-7-common and linux-headers-6.1.0-7-amd64 also installed? | 00:43 |
| brocashelm | same as linux-image-amd64 | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | celsius, try: cat /proc/cmdline | 01:10 |
| fsmithred | to see the boot command | 01:10 |
| celsius | fsmithred: Already done both GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false and update-grub2, but at boot only devuan (kernel 6.0.1-5) is displayed while devuan (kernel 6.0.1-7) and win7 are missing. | 01:14 |
| celsius | cmdline says: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.1.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=3d3339a4-585f-4cb2-hj4c-944f738ba5c5 ro net.ifname=0 biosdevname=0 fsck.mode=force fsck.repair=yes | 01:16 |
| FatPhil | and that's why it booted 6.1.0-5-amd64 | 01:19 |
| celsius | When I do update-grub2 the two kernels and win7 are found normally, but when I boot grub it shows only devuan (kernel 6.0.1-7-amd64). | 01:20 |
| celsius | sorry devuan (kernel 6.0.1-5). | 01:21 |
| FatPhil | it couldn't be that grub is writing out its new updated parameters to the wrong boot sector, or something? I'm no grub guru at all, I'm a lilo luddite! | 01:22 |
| celsius | grub is written in /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 01:24 |
| onefang | Lilouddite! | 01:25 |
| celsius | The beauty is that in grub.cfg there are all three voices correctly ..... | 01:26 |
| celsius | I hope I didn’t stumble into a bug .... | 01:29 |
| gnarface | celsius: that's not what he means by the boot sector | 01:31 |
| gnarface | the theory here is that perhaps you unknowingly have two grub installs, and at boot time you're not actually seeing the same one you're updating | 01:31 |
| gnarface | when you install grub, you're given the option to install to the disk itself or one of the partitions, but it's possible for there to be viable grub installs in every partition as well as on the disk itself (aka in the "MBR") | 01:33 |
| gnarface | if you have multiple disks, each of them can have its own install in addition to each of their partitions all having another separate install | 01:34 |
| gnarface | windows also has a bootloader of its own | 01:34 |
| gnarface | this can get complicated quickly | 01:34 |
| gnarface | if this is the case though, there should be a way to clean it up fairly easily if you use grub-install instead of update-grub | 01:36 |
| celsius | gnarface: I simply grub-install /dev/sda | 01:43 |
| gnarface | celsius: did you say this was a ceres install? | 01:45 |
| celsius | Yes | 01:45 |
| gnarface | are you the same person who was complaining about this same issue about a week or two ago? | 01:46 |
| celsius | Yes | 01:46 |
| gnarface | maybe something is just wrong with the ceres version | 01:46 |
| gnarface | my new advice is to try lilo | 01:46 |
| brocashelm | does debian/devuan have lilo? | 01:47 |
| gnarface | well it did last year... checking... | 01:47 |
| brocashelm | celsius: i will test installing that kernel on a daedalus system. just keep in mind it is not multi-boot, but just so i can confirm that it picks up on boot | 01:48 |
| celsius | I don’t know much about lilo .... | 01:48 |
| brocashelm | it's very much a slackware/*bsd thing IIRC | 01:48 |
| onefang | If you are using EFI, I highly recommend rEFInd. | 01:48 |
| gnarface | interesting... and disturbing! lilo is currently missing from daedalus | 01:48 |
| gnarface | celsius: lilo is much simpler to understand than grub | 01:49 |
| onefang | elilo might be there, the EFI version of lilo. | 01:49 |
| brocashelm | oh i see lilo here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/lilo | 01:49 |
| gnarface | yea it's in unstable, just missing from testing right now | 01:49 |
| gnarface | meanwhile, elilo hasn't been seen since jessie | 01:49 |
| gnarface | celsius: i'd make sure you have a backup boot disk handy but try lilo | 01:50 |
| onefang | Hmm, thought I saw elilo in Chaemiar. | 01:50 |
| gnarface | celsius: you may have to edit the config manually, but like i said, it'll be much easier to do | 01:50 |
| brocashelm | celsius: so 6.1.0-7-amd64 is on my system. it should be more an issue of your grub/os-prober/boot sector/whatever | 01:51 |
| onefang | Ah I have lilo from Beowulf, but no elilo in either. Coz my desktop is chimaera + a few things from older suites. | 01:53 |
| onefang | Not ins-talled anyway, coz I use rEFInd. B-) | 01:53 |
| celsius | I could try grub-install /dev/sda again, but then I lose the win7 boot and I have to do the win7 live restore .... | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | or make your own menuentry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom | 01:59 |
| celsius | I could try this one, I don’t know ... | 02:01 |
| fwiptables | can upload fwiptables to devuan project ? | 07:23 |
| fwiptables | fwiptables-esr-7.02 is mature | 07:24 |
| fwiptables | fwiptables is in sourceforge | 07:24 |
| gnarface | fwiptables: if you are ready to also maintain it, maybe. talk to fsmithred | 07:49 |
| gnarface | be patient, these are slow channels | 07:49 |
| fwiptables | https://git.devuan.org/fwiptables/fwiptables/src/branch/master/fwiptables-ESR-7.02 | 07:52 |
| fwiptables | fwiptables@gmx.com am ready | 07:52 |
| fwiptables | yes, it is ready | 07:52 |
| fwiptables | but my language native is spanish, i am europe | 07:53 |
| fwiptables | he speaks spanish ? | 07:53 |
| fwiptables | fwiptables is wroted in english | 07:53 |
| fwiptables | perhaps is not an perfect english | 07:54 |
| fwiptables | probe it | 07:54 |
| gnarface | note that they don't normally add things to the distro that aren't in debian, but you might be able to get it added to (i think it's called) devuan proposed updates | 08:03 |
| gnarface | if you want it in devuan proper, your best bet is to get it added to debian then devuan will inherit it automatically | 08:03 |
| fwiptables | yes | 08:03 |
| fwiptables | ok | 08:03 |
| fwiptables | but i dont know how | 08:04 |
| gnarface | they have instructions on their website, i think even in spanish | 08:04 |
| gnarface | but it's a big approval process | 08:04 |
| gnarface | so that's probably why we have proposed updates | 08:04 |
| gnarface | i'm not the guy to ask about it though | 08:05 |
| fwiptables | podemos hablar en español ? | 08:05 |
| fwiptables | can we speak in spanish ? it is more easy for me | 08:06 |
| gnarface | sorry, i do not, some around here might but i don't | 08:06 |
| fwiptables | ok | 08:06 |
| fwiptables | and with you ? | 08:06 |
| fwiptables | ahhh ok | 08:06 |
| fwiptables | they have instructions on their website, (link please) | 08:07 |
| gnarface | this one is all i got, sorry. i thought there was other languages but maybe i was wrong and only the installation guide is in multiple languages: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ | 08:09 |
| gnarface | it might be better to ask in their irc channel | 08:09 |
| gnarface | the big barrier, as i understand it, is not only do you have to understand this backwards-written guide, you also have to get someone to sponsor you | 08:10 |
| gnarface | or at least your package | 08:10 |
| gnarface | (or find someone willing to maintain it who is already a maintainer) | 08:10 |
| fwiptables | i am maintiner this file in my repository in sourceforge | 08:11 |
| fwiptables | but it is not in debian | 08:11 |
| gnarface | well, having an established history of publishing will probably go a long way, but it's not my opinion that matters | 08:12 |
| fwiptables | i am not a maintiner from debian | 08:12 |
| gnarface | i understand | 08:12 |
| gnarface | debian has very strict requirements, they require you to become a maintainer officially before you can submit packages yourself | 08:12 |
| gnarface | there is some committee review process and requires that someone become your mentor | 08:13 |
| gnarface | you'll have to take it up with them about the details | 08:13 |
| fwiptables | i have one email fwiptables@gmx.com | 08:14 |
| fwiptables | to bug | 08:14 |
| gnarface | you should stick around here though too, in case someone wants to ask about it | 08:14 |
| fwiptables | and issues | 08:14 |
| gnarface | or maybe even someone who speaks spanish will show up | 08:14 |
| fwiptables | i to not know to nobody | 08:15 |
| fwiptables | in debian | 08:15 |
| fwiptables | i dont know anybody in debian | 08:15 |
| gnarface | i'm sure they have an irc channel somewhere that can help | 08:15 |
| fwiptables | too much | 08:16 |
| fwiptables | thank you | 08:17 |
| user007 | hi, when install docker for devuan while apt updating, I came across this error: | 10:05 |
| user007 | Err:5 https://download.docker.com/linux/debian chimaera Release | 10:05 |
| user007 | 404 Not Found [IP: 13.32.121.35 443] | 10:05 |
| user007 | what to change here for the sources.list file | 10:05 |
| xinomilo | debian + chimaera? nope. | 10:06 |
| user007 | by the way, I can't find the devuan documentation/guides regarding install nividia driver etc | 10:06 |
| xinomilo | use bookworm instead of chimaera | 10:07 |
| user007 | xinomilo, let me try | 10:07 |
| user007 | it worked. | 10:08 |
| user007 | thanks. | 10:08 |
| user007 | is there a guide to install nvida driver for devuan ? I managed to install it but there are still error or shall I just use the debian guide that will work | 10:09 |
| FatPhil | user007: if there's no specific systemd component, then devuan is debian, the packages are the same | 10:29 |
| FatPhil | do udev rules come from anywhere apart from /lib/udev/rules.d/ ? | 13:11 |
| FatPhil | The problem I solved last week with my idcard having the wrong perms/group on its dev node has magically unfixed itself - and I can't find the solution that I used. | 13:12 |
| FatPhil | I looked at my old laptop, and there was a rules file, and I copied it, and then a weekend happened, and now neither file seems to exist. | 13:13 |
| FatPhil | However, the old laptop is still doing the right thing, so the rule is on it somewhere | 13:13 |
| FatPhil | aha - /etc/udev/rules.d/ | 13:48 |
| FatPhil | I'm sure I moved the file accross and tested it. | 13:48 |
| FatPhil | even with the rule in place, and the devnode 0666 it's not being seen inside the QEMU. | 14:57 |
| FatPhil | This makes no sense, I'm sure I got it working last week. | 14:58 |
| gnarface | something about group memberships or kernel modules loaded, maybe? | 15:22 |
| FatPhil | I'm in the plugdev group, and the device is 0666 anyway. I can't tell the difference between the device on the old laptop and the new one from the host's perspective. | 16:35 |
| FatPhil | But to cap things off, trying to turn my old laptop into my main desktop AV machine are going badly. | 16:36 |
| debdog | AV? | 16:37 |
| FatPhil | I've got xrandr to output all the video to the mDP socket to my receiver/monitor, and the visuals are working fine. Alas the sound isn't going to the receiver, so I've only got tinny laptop speaker. | 16:37 |
| FatPhil | probably need to tweak some ALSA settings somewhere | 16:38 |
| FatPhil | I have no idea how to interpret either my .asound file or the output of aplay -l | 16:52 |
| FatPhil | I can try some random numbers though, and see if anything changes. | 16:52 |
| FatPhil | I'm not sure I understand why it's even coming out of the lappy speaker presently, this config looks contrafactual: http://fatphil.org/tmp/alsa.txt | 16:56 |
| FatPhil | oooh, just did an strace on aplay, and it doesn't even look at that file - it does do an access() on .asoundrc, I'll try renaming the file. | 17:00 |
| FatPhil | and as if by magic I now have Lauri Porra blasting out of my hifi again! | 17:03 |
| FatPhil | you guys are great teddybears! | 17:03 |
| debdog | \o/ | 17:04 |
| fluffywolf | I need to fix my stereo. everything got knocked over in the earthquake... wires yanked, amps in unknown condition, and a big hole in the midrange on one of my jbls where it landed on a lamp... | 17:05 |
| debdog | what earthquake? | 17:05 |
| fluffywolf | https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/us/california-earthquake.html | 17:06 |
| FatPhil | ouch! | 17:06 |
| fluffywolf | my amps fell about 4-5ft onto a wooden floor, haven't tested them to see if they still work. fortunately one of my graphic equalizers cushioned the fall of at least one of them... fun fact: when a 60lb amp lands on a 5lb EQ, the amp wins. heh. | 17:08 |
| fluffywolf | FatPhil: also, I is wolf, not teddybear. :P | 17:09 |
| FatPhil | is there a way to intelligently select where the sound goes depending on whether the mDP is plugged in? I'd hate to have to munge my .asoundrc every time I unplug the laptop | 17:09 |
| FatPhil | fluffywolf: debdog: canines also fine, I don't mind going up the family tree a few steps: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Caniformia_2021_Montage.jpg/800px-Caniformia_2021_Montage.jpg | 17:09 |
| debdog | trash pandas are canines? | 17:11 |
| debdog | brrrr | 17:11 |
| FatPhil | they're cute, with their little hands, but this is OT! | 17:13 |
| debdog | https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/earthquakes/stats.html | 17:15 |
| debdog | ohh, wrong #channel | 17:15 |
| fluffywolf | coons are definitely cute. but wolves are cuter. :P | 17:16 |
| FatPhil | OK, sound working, and xrandr is happily outputting to only the mDP, not the lappy's panel. However, when I close the lappy lid, the main monitor turns off. | 17:19 |
| FatPhil | That's an antifeature, can I prevent it? | 17:19 |
| debdog | FatPhil: which devuan version? | 17:19 |
| FatPhil | beowulf 4.19.0-23-amd64 | 17:20 |
| FatPhil | lappy's an Lenovo X240 | 17:20 |
| FatPhil | I would consider upgrading to chimaera, but given that this lappy does work with the usb card in QEMU, and the new chimaera laptop doesn't, I'm putting that upgrade on hold. | 17:22 |
| debdog | on beowulf (without elogind) I managed that with some alternation of... | 17:23 |
| debdog | /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn~ | 17:23 |
| debdog | /etc/acpi/lid.sh~ | 17:23 |
| debdog | /etc/acpi/fakelid.sh~ | 17:23 |
| debdog | I think fakelid.sh was a file I've created back then | 17:23 |
| debdog | anyway, these are scripts, you'll find you path there | 17:24 |
| debdog | with elogind included, the key is somewhere inside /etc/elogind/logind.conf | 17:25 |
| FatPhil | /etc/default/acpi-support seems to have LID_SLEEP and LID_SHUTDOWN which is for actual pm operations, so I definitely dont' want to enable them | 17:34 |
| FatPhil | DISPLAY_DPMS=xset and XRANDR_OUTPUT=LVDS seem like they might have some relevance | 17:34 |
| FatPhil | Even though I don't have a "LVDS" on this machine | 17:36 |
| FatPhil | DISPLAY_DPMS=sxet causes lid.sh to do: xset dpms force on | 17:37 |
| FatPhil | which from the commandline seems to do nothing | 17:38 |
| FatPhil | do those ACPI scripts log their actions anywhere - can I just set -x at the top of the script and see what it's doing? | 17:39 |
| debdog | IIRC I just disabled the execution of one script from within another one. prolly disabling lid.sh from inside events/lidbtn | 17:39 |
| FatPhil | yeah, that might be the way to go | 17:40 |
| FatPhil | I notice that I don't have any /etc/acpi/local/ - perhaps that's where I'm supposed to tweak things? | 17:43 |
| FatPhil | lid.sh.pre and lid.sh.post | 17:43 |
| FatPhil | I don't see where it's calling xtrlock from - that's not a process that's running presently, so something during the lid close process must be calling it. | 17:45 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, check /etc/elogind/logind.conf | 17:50 |
| FatPhil | Ah, those stanzas in lid.sh that I was looking at are the lid open procedure, not the lid close procedure. | 17:50 |
| FatPhil | fsmithred: no elogind here | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | ok, that was easy | 17:51 |
| FatPhil | OK, so I'm sniffing into /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank now... | 17:51 |
| FatPhil | Trying: DISPLAY_DPMS=xrandr rather than xset in /etc/defaults | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | also /etc/UPower/UPower.conf | 17:53 |
| FatPhil | Partial success - screen didn't turn off, but the xtrlock did still kick in. | 17:57 |
| FatPhil | as expected from the acpi script | 17:58 |
| FatPhil | I don't like this comment in the defaults: | 17:59 |
| FatPhil | # Comment this out to disable screen locking on resume | 17:59 |
| FatPhil | LOCK_SCREEN=true | 17:59 |
| FatPhil | what's "resume" got to do with it? | 17:59 |
| FatPhil | =false makes xtrlock not kick in, but if I only have to do that once per forever, I might just leave it at the default =true | 18:09 |
| FatPhil | why would ssh-copy-id -n just sit there doing nothing for ever? I get one INFO line, and then it just does nothing. | 18:34 |
| FatPhil | oooh, remote machine has root logins not permitted, so I guess I can't drop the key that would permit root logins onto the machine! | 18:35 |
| FatPhil | wasn't sure quite how much of a "dry run" -n would do. | 18:35 |
| FatPhil | sshfs mountpoints from the office mounted. this is beginning to look like one of my "networked" machines. Historically is was an isolated machine for just one specific client that I no longer do work for. | 18:46 |
| systemdlete | I think I may have inquired about this previously. I dd ISO images onto thumb drives all the time and try to remember what ISO image is on which drive. isoinfo does provide some information about the image (isoinfo -d -i /dev/sdc, e.g.), but the problem I am having is that there is a lot of inconsistency about what information is actually | 19:22 |
| systemdlete | placed in any ISO image. With Devuan, sometimes I can tell what is on an image, and other times not. In particular, the Refracta images don't indicate which version of refracta/devuan, or even whether it is refracta or devuan image. Devuan does indicate "Chimaera" or some version, but does not indicate it is the netinstall or live or | 19:22 |
| systemdlete | other variant. | 19:22 |
| systemdlete | Is there some reason we can't have a standard among all these different releases? | 19:22 |
| systemdlete | Or | 19:23 |
| systemdlete | Is there a simple, fast, easy way to add a moniker somewhere on the ISO image. By "simple" I mean not having to go through skatey-eight steps to update it. | 19:23 |
| systemdlete | If not, I'm going to start uniquely labeling and cataloging all of my thumb drives. | 19:25 |
| systemdlete | I see there is xorriso, but some posters claim it doesn't work. | 19:34 |
| systemdlete | Also, I am concerned about corrupting the ISO somehow using any sort of utility. | 19:35 |
| * FatPhil solves his usb/qemu problem... :( | 19:36 | |
| systemdlete | oh, yeah. There is also the issue of space, which I seem to have enough of... atm. There have been times that I run low on space and some ISOs are very large. | 19:37 |
| * FatPhil 's eyes are getting old and tired - I couldn't see a typo on the command line, as characters looked too similar. | 19:37 | |
| * systemdlete sympathizes with FatPhil | 19:37 | |
| systemdlete | I guess I should add that I am willing to do this on disk before writing the resulting ISO image to a thumb drive, if that makes the question simpler. | 19:40 |
| systemdlete | That's why I mentioned disk space. | 19:40 |
| fluffywolf | I still haven't figured out what you're asking, exactly, other than "mv 'foo.iso' 'foo-1234-2023-abc.iso'"... | 19:42 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf, are you familiar with isoinfo? | 19:42 |
| fluffywolf | oh, you're dding it right to the drive as a raw device. | 19:43 |
| * fluffywolf missed that part | 19:43 | |
| onefang | You can't just mount it and see what /etc/sources.list says it is? | 19:43 |
| systemdlete | Merely renaming the image would not help much. Devs here name their images uniquely enough. It is the content of those images that are in question here. But I may have found a solution. | 19:43 |
| systemdlete | Idk. Is sources.list available on the ISO image? | 19:44 |
| systemdlete | I didn't notice it, but maybe that is the ticket! | 19:44 |
| fluffywolf | stick a paper tag on a string off each thumb drive. :P | 19:44 |
| onefang | lol | 19:44 |
| fluffywolf | https://static.nashvillewraps.com/images/sku/SRGTKL-XLARGE.jpg one per drive. | 19:45 |
| fluffywolf | then not only do you remember what's on each drive, you can find the one you need without needing to insert each one and check. lol | 19:45 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf, that has actually entered my mind at times... | 19:45 |
| onefang | Ah that's the dd tag="Some name" option. B-) | 19:46 |
| systemdlete | I'm surprised that thumb drive mfrs have not invented a little LCD window on the drive--that sort of thing would not add much cost and it would make this a cinch. I'd pay more... | 19:47 |
| systemdlete | onefang, wait. | 19:47 |
| systemdlete | Do you mean to say I can add a tag to the ISO image? | 19:47 |
| onefang | Quick, patent that idea! | 19:47 |
| fluffywolf | I'm surprised there isn't some easy/common way to put a proper bootloader on a thumb drive and a hundred or so .iso files on the drive, and pick which one you want at boot time... | 19:47 |
| onefang | I was joking, hence the "B-)" | 19:47 |
| systemdlete | onefang, I am sure someone much faster than I am has already done that | 19:47 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf: Then they wouldn't sell as many thumb drives, right? | 19:48 |
| onefang | fluffywolf: That's what my Magic Pixie Dust micro SD card is, about two dozen operating systems that I could boot from it, and a micro SD to USB adapter. | 19:48 |
| fluffywolf | https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html ah, there is! | 19:48 |
| fluffywolf | put all your isos on one drive, instead of needing to manage lots of drives. | 19:49 |
| systemdlete | The page is in Chinese and English... that makes me nervous | 19:50 |
| systemdlete | But I'll take a look at it, thanks. | 19:50 |
| fluffywolf | it looks like an excellent solution to this problem. | 19:51 |
| onefang | There are other ways. | 19:51 |
| systemdlete | onefang? | 19:52 |
| systemdlete | Actually, I think fluffywolf and ventoy idea is what I want. | 19:53 |
| systemdlete | I can have one great big 64GB thumb drive and never have to f around with this problem again | 19:53 |
| systemdlete | (at least until the thumb drive space is exhausted) | 19:53 |
| fluffywolf | "great big 64GB" is relative. :P | 19:55 |
| fluffywolf | I mean, I have a 512GB microsd card in my phone... | 19:55 |
| systemdlete | (right) | 19:55 |
| systemdlete | Well, if I understand this, ISOs can be copied to the thumb drive, and I take it that they can also be removed? | 19:55 |
| fluffywolf | it's just a normal filesystem. | 19:56 |
| systemdlete | I usually only use about 4 or 5 ISOs at a time anyway, at most. | 19:56 |
| fluffywolf | you can do anything you want. | 19:56 |
| systemdlete | yup | 19:56 |
| systemdlete | I love yoooo fluffywolf, thanks | 19:56 |
| * systemdlete walks away a happy Devuan(tm) customer... | 19:57 | |
| fluffywolf | lol. glad to help. :) | 19:57 |
| systemdlete | This has to be the greatest IRC channel in the world. | 19:57 |
| fluffywolf | I've never used that program, but it sounds like it does everything well... | 19:57 |
| systemdlete | But I am getting waaaay OT | 19:58 |
| systemdlete | it is open source (github'd) | 19:58 |
| systemdlete | so I guess it is not Chinese spyware. | 19:58 |
| onefang | Hang on, I'm doing three things at once, just woke up, haven't had brekky yet, and I forgot how I did Magic Pixie Dust. Mostly it's two dozen of partiitons with two dozen installs, but one of them I recall can boot from ISO's as well. | 19:58 |
| fluffywolf | I don't do enough installs to need to manage multiple isos... so I just download the iso and copy it right to the drive every time I do one. no point in keeping them around, as the installs are infrequent enough that whatever I downloaded last time would be obsolete anyway. | 19:59 |
| systemdlete | onefang, if you were hoping for an ILY like I gave to fluffywolf, you might be too late. It sounds like ventoy will be the answer. | 19:59 |
| fluffywolf | lol | 19:59 |
| fluffywolf | with how much work onefang does for devuan, he deserves one anyway. :P | 19:59 |
| systemdlete | So, onefang, go eat your "brekky" and twink your cuppa. | 19:59 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf, you are right! So.... | 20:00 |
| systemdlete | (づ ￣ ³￣)づ | 20:02 |
| systemdlete | (to onefang) | 20:02 |
| systemdlete | But that's all you get, OK? | 20:02 |
| fluffywolf | he's using hexchat, that _might_ render... lol | 20:02 |
| systemdlete | I've been sending money to the project. | 20:03 |
| systemdlete | We are Linux, and this is for Windows, but still: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/31 | 20:06 |
| systemdlete | I really like the concept. | 20:06 |
| onefang | https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/customize.html is what I use. "Adding ISO images" I had to find out even if just to remind myself. | 20:10 |
| brocashelm | ventoy should be the standard nowadays | 20:10 |
| brocashelm | crazy to me hardly any distro has official packages for it | 20:10 |
| fluffywolf | it sounds like they're false positives due to some part of how it works. | 20:10 |
| onefang | Though I do have ventoy marked down to try in my Magic Pixie Dust TODO. | 20:11 |
| fluffywolf | I wonder if av software flags any unknown program that twiddles MBRs as fishy... | 20:11 |
| brocashelm | it's way better than unetbootin or mintstick | 20:11 |
| onefang | It's been many years since I last worked on Magic Pixie Dust. lol | 20:11 |
| fluffywolf | "It blocks the Ventoy2Disk.exe with the message: Possibe ransomware detected. Acronis Active Protection paused the program that tried to modify your Master Boot Record"" | 20:13 |
| fluffywolf | so I guess anything that touches the MBR is considered suspect, and they must whitelist the popular/common programs that do so? | 20:13 |
| systemdlete | ransomware | 20:14 |
| systemdlete | yipes | 20:14 |
| fluffywolf | "It's false positive. There is such false positive when I update Ventoy2Disk.exe, but after some time it will be added to the whitelist." from reading the issues, it sounds like he has to submit every new build for whitelisting, and they get around to it eventually. | 20:16 |
| fluffywolf | putting the onus on developers to submit every build for whitelisting sounds fucking idiotic, but seems to be how it works... | 20:16 |
| systemdlete | yumi | 20:21 |
| systemdlete | though, there is a reference to ventoy at the bottom of the page | 20:23 |
| systemdlete | https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ | 20:23 |
| systemdlete | simple repackaging of ventoy or just sharing some code with it I wonder | 20:24 |
| systemdlete | https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/1300: "I'm sure it isn't false positive. Old versions of Ventoy for Linux were distributing these infected files, not intentionally:" | 20:26 |
| systemdlete | old versions, but still. I am feeling leery about this | 20:27 |
| fluffywolf | "YUMI exFAT is compatible with Ventoy. The latest version utilizes an unmodified Ventoy2Disk bootloader with a custom YUMI theme and configuration enabling you to use the YUMI frontend with Ventoy." | 20:27 |
| fluffywolf | "14 March 2023 YUMI-exFAT-1.0.1.5.exe: Update to use VTOYCLI options and fetch latest Ventoy Bootloader files from GitHub." | 20:28 |
| systemdlete | So what does YUMI do that Ventoy doesn't? | 20:29 |
| fluffywolf | a prettier theme, apparently? | 20:29 |
| systemdlete | wrapper | 20:29 |
| systemdlete | yeah | 20:29 |
| fluffywolf | it sounds like the legacy one is a different program, but they decided to stop maintaining it and switch to repackaging ventoy. | 20:31 |
| fluffywolf | the two legacy versions are outdated... one won't work on UEFI systems, and the other will but has restrictions, is fat32 only, etc. rather than modernizing them, which might have been a substantial rewrite in the case of switching to UEFI, they decided that just repackaging something else that already did everything was easier... | 20:35 |
| fluffywolf | the legacy one not only won't boot uefi, but won't run installers that expect uefi, like modern windows installs, according to their description... | 20:37 |
| systemdlete | thank you for taking the time to read through all that. I could have done likewise I guess, but I feel so put off by its history of (possible) virus that I am losing interest. | 20:38 |
| fluffywolf | and the uefi one is apparently some awful hack of grub2 that was never meant to do what it's being made to do. lol | 20:39 |
| fluffywolf | also, yumi is windows-only. | 20:40 |
| systemdlete | There used to be so many people who would write really good software, original writes, not hacks or with paid options | 20:40 |
| systemdlete | "freemium?" | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, isos made with refractasnapshot have a directory in the root of the iso that has the name of the iso in the dir name. That dir holds the package list. | 20:40 |
| fluffywolf | it also has weird FAQs... like if it mysteriously doesn't work, you need to defragment the iso files. | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | the official devuan isos are made with live-sdk and don't have that dir. | 20:40 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, ok. Are the release ISOs of refracta made with that snapshot tool? | 20:41 |
| fsmithred | yes, Refracta is made with refractasnapshot. | 20:42 |
| systemdlete | I see. | 20:42 |
| systemdlete | thanks | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | yw | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | I'll think about how to get that info into the devuan-live isos. | 20:43 |
| systemdlete | I still wish that the "Application ID" field were filled in. | 20:43 |
| systemdlete | Devuan fills that field in. | 20:43 |
| systemdlete | Would it be difficult to do for Refracta? | 20:44 |
| fsmithred | maybe make volid a variable and then that name will show up on the desktop icon if you plug it into a running system. | 20:44 |
| fsmithred | where is that field? | 20:44 |
| fluffywolf | archlinux's wiki suggests ventoy. | 20:44 |
| systemdlete | refracta_11_xfce_amd64-20211114_0127.isoisoinfo -d -i | 20:44 |
| systemdlete | shit | 20:44 |
| systemdlete | isoinfo -d -i refracta_11_xfce_amd64-20211114_0127.iso | 20:45 |
| systemdlete | or | 20:45 |
| fluffywolf | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ventoy-bin and they package it... | 20:45 |
| systemdlete | isoinfo -d -i /dev/sdc (or whatever) | 20:45 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf, ok. Do we trust arch? | 20:45 |
| systemdlete | Didn't they go all systemd or something? | 20:45 |
| fluffywolf | lol | 20:46 |
| systemdlete | no, seriously. If arch is reliable, then I might reconsider. | 20:47 |
| systemdlete | I know hyperbola is based on Arch (w/o systemd) | 20:47 |
| systemdlete | and it is fixed release. But it still has a few dreggs of the thing. | 20:47 |
| fluffywolf | https://youtu.be/10L8aCY3VBs?t=76 hehe, that sounds like your situation. :) | 20:50 |
| systemdlete | ok, so here is a plan. I set up a VM just for this purpose and install something like clamav. Then I create a ventoy USB. Then I boot the USB in the VM. | 20:53 |
| onefang | "There used to be so many people who would write really good software" Like me. B-) | 20:54 |
| systemdlete | Run the clamav to find out if it left any droppings. | 20:54 |
| systemdlete | onefang: no doubt | 20:54 |
| fluffywolf | his solution to your problem was a labelmaker. :P | 20:54 |
| systemdlete | I've got a label maker. I use it all the time. | 20:54 |
| systemdlete | trouble is, the labels usually end up being too large to fit on the drives--they keep getting tinier and tinier. | 20:55 |
| fluffywolf | yeah, I have a couple drives that are just barely larger than the usb plug. | 20:55 |
| onefang | But bigger on the inside. | 20:55 |
| fluffywolf | https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpEQcexODxaL4IZkg3gJLJnVJCwcQzCtuGV-8jcnKxqFJY5cqR1Ll2isx2F_NhmFQL9kOC3Bswu6VTIbesPwKQkCnn4TgqPIo1u5uCpoGUdSqWbwQtGJ2U | 20:56 |
| systemdlete | Is it really necessary to be so small? I mean, this makes them easy to lose after a while | 20:56 |
| fluffywolf | I got them for the stereo in my van. normal ones would hit my hand when shifting. | 20:56 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf, if I click on that link, will it demand ransomware? | 20:56 |
| onefang | I used to have a micro SD card te USB adaptor that was barely bigger than the slot inside a USB port, but it broke and you can't get those anymore. | 20:56 |
| systemdlete | onefang, I have one of those! | 20:57 |
| fluffywolf | onefang: I've owned a couple of those, where the microsd card fit _inside_ the usb plug... but they never worked well. | 20:57 |
| systemdlete | Not sure if it works anymore. | 20:57 |
| systemdlete | I like the LCD window thing | 20:57 |
| onefang | Used to work fine, until it broke. | 20:58 |
| systemdlete | maybe I should patent it, and use the proceeds to hire people to work on Devuan... | 20:58 |
| systemdlete | :D | 20:58 |
| onefang | Great idea. B-) | 20:58 |
| fluffywolf | https://www.adafruit.com/product/939 looks like they still exist | 20:58 |
| onefang | Different from the one I had. | 20:59 |
| fluffywolf | the adafruit on is slightly larger than the ones I had... the ones I got, the card went in the other end. | 20:59 |
| systemdlete | Is the idea that USB drives become so small they can fit inside a secret compartment inside of, say, someone's tooth? So they can sneak IP through airports undetected? | 20:59 |
| fluffywolf | https://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/small_micro_sd_reader1.jpg there's the one I had. | 21:00 |
| onefang | Adafruit only does up to 64 GB though. | 21:00 |
| onefang | Again different from mine. lol | 21:00 |
| systemdlete | and with USB drives becoming so small, isn't there a risk to small children who like to put things in their mouths? | 21:01 |
| systemdlete | or pet dogs? | 21:01 |
| fluffywolf | "It's wicked fast" umm, it's like a tenth the speed of the one I use now. lol | 21:01 |
| onefang | lol | 21:02 |
| systemdlete | I mean, look. I went to Target and bought a 16GB drive. The package is so small that they have them inside one of those clear plastic boxes which you have to get a clerk to unlock for you. | 21:02 |
| fluffywolf | I can write >80MB/sec with the cards I've been buying lately. | 21:02 |
| fluffywolf | https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B07P7M6K35?th=1 also, holy heck, 512GB cards are down to $59.95 now. | 21:03 |
| systemdlete | $60 for an item you could easily lose. Nice! | 21:03 |
| fluffywolf | I paid $185 for that exact card, from that same amazon listing, on 11/25/2021. | 21:04 |
| fluffywolf | actually, no, it's showing me the wrong order. | 21:04 |
| fluffywolf | I only spend $80. | 21:04 |
| fluffywolf | whew. I didn't think I'd spent that much. lol | 21:04 |
| systemdlete | I had a 32GB SD and I lost it. | 21:05 |
| fluffywolf | the big number was christmas lights. lol | 21:05 |
| onefang | https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.7dayshop.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fp%2Fr%2Fprod_107632_1_1_1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=d79d807fa64e1f9212564239fe9099138a5acf6e89ec469fb752d606641e76ad&ipo=images is the one I had. | 21:06 |
| fluffywolf | I got the 512GB for my phone, because my music library no longer fit the 256 I had before... | 21:06 |
| fluffywolf | too long of url. | 21:06 |
| * fluffywolf is too lazy to paste multiple lines | 21:06 | |
| systemdlete | comes out as one line in libera chat | 21:06 |
| onefang | https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.7dayshop.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fp%2Fr%2Fprod_107632_1_1_1.jpg | 21:06 |
| onefang | https://nganungonongene.blogspot.com/2018/12/low-price-kingston-usb-micro-sd-card.html | 21:08 |
| onefang | Short enough yet? lol | 21:08 |
| fluffywolf | https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MobileMate-microSD-Card-Reader/dp/B07G5JV2B5 this is the reader I use now... I get speeds of around 100MB/sec reading and 70MB/sec writing. | 21:09 |
| fluffywolf | small, impressively fast, cheap. the only thing I don't like about is is long transfers make it get disturbingly hot, although I don't know if that heat is from the reader or the card. | 21:10 |
| onefang | I initially tried to get it from Amazon, but if I recall the shipping was four times the price of the device. Something that small you just pop it in an envelope. I found a local supplier instead. | 21:12 |
| lfluffywof | grrrr | 21:12 |
| lfluffywof | <fluffywolf> https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MobileMate-microSD-Card-Reader/dp/B07G5JV2B5 this is the reader I use now... I get speeds of around 100MB/sec reading and 70MB/sec writing. | 21:12 |
| lfluffywof | <fluffywolf> small, impressively fast, cheap. the only thing I don't like about is is long transfers make it get disturbingly hot, although I don't know if that heat is from the reader or the card. | 21:12 |
| lfluffywof | https://blog.scoopz.com/wp-content/uploads/WhatsApp-Image-2017-10-25-at-09.46.15-560x747.jpeg lol, it may be the card. :P | 21:14 |
| fluffywolf | "Mine gets really hot whilst installing, I almost burnt my chest laying on my bed last night with it copying files over from my NAS to the SD card!" ... why is your microsd card on your chest? lol | 21:16 |
| onefang | Just to bring us back on topic, how can I tell which packages I have installed from ascii-backports? | 21:18 |
| systemdlete | ok, thanks for the ventoy hint. I might try it, idk. | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | onefang, an imperfect but easy way is: dpkg -l |grep bpo | 21:24 |
| brocashelm | synaptic also has a way to show which installed package repo is which in origins tab | 21:27 |
| onefang | Alas no synaptic on this headless server. | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | aptitude search ~i -F"%p# %v# %t#" | grep backports | 21:30 |
| brocashelm | maybe this? grep-status -sPackage,Version -F Status 'installed' -a -F Version 'bpo' | 21:30 |
| onefang | Had just installed aptitude to try it out for this question. | 21:30 |
| brocashelm | aptitude is also useful | 21:31 |
| brocashelm | aptitude search '~S ~i ~Abackports' | 21:31 |
| onefang | aptitude did the trick, thanks fsmithred. | 21:31 |
| brocashelm | aptitude search '?narrow(~i, ~Abackports)' | 21:31 |
| onefang | Both of those worked to, but fsmithred's version worked better. | 21:32 |
| fluffywolf | and I should go back to either job hunting or listing things on ebay. | 21:35 |
| onefang | Good luck. | 21:36 |
| onefang | If you find two jobs, can I have half of one? I'm semi-retired. B-) | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | here are a bunch of useful package manager commands: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=511 | 21:37 |
| fluffywolf | first I need to find one job. heh. | 21:55 |
| fluffywolf | listing my TDS210 on ebay right now... meh. makes me sad. I've had this oscilloscope for 20 years. | 21:55 |
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