libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2023-03-31

FatPhilUg - how can I rewind to an older version of firefox - I simply can't get my webpages to work with CSP, and FF102 no longer lets you turn off CSP.11:24
sixwheeledbeastI'm considering using librewolf11:27
FatPhilI'm considering turning off the internet; it sucks.11:28
sixwheeledbeastGLWT11:31
FatPhilOK,, just gopher from now on12:44
onefangNot IRC as well?12:45
onefangKeeping email might be useful to.12:50
onefangBRB, I got a new kernel to reboot into.13:02
onefangI'm back.  If you missed me, aim better next time.13:10
FatPhilwe nearly brought out the defibrillator13:11
FatPhilhttps://i.imgur.com/zKchQQO.jpeg13:11
onefangDeFatPhillator?13:12
onefanglol at that image.13:14
FatPhilooops, sorry, wrong chan. my bad!13:28
FatPhilIs it possible to install devuan from an external USB stick to an external USB hard drive from a running system?16:01
FatPhilActually, what's the absolute smallest console-only, just the admin tools that are totally necessary, linux distro? I'm thinking of just making sure there's a bootable linux on a big HD that I intend only to use as a file store. However, it might be nice if it was bootable in an emergency.16:03
FatPhilOne answer to that question might be "the netinst ISO". So the target to beat is 400MB.16:04
FatPhildebian used to have "credit card" images too, they were ~65MB and properly bare bones, IIRC.16:04
fluffywolfFatPhil:  last time I needed to do an install to an external drive, I used a VM and booted it up with the install iso.17:04
fsmithredFatPhil, the mini.iso is the same as the credit card iso. You can do a network install with a mini.iso. The netinstall iso has enough in the iso that you could install without a network and have just enough of a system to install more from the network.17:47
fsmithredsmallest install you can do would probably be a debootstrap with --minbase option.17:48
jjakobwhat would be the process to get docker-compose v2 into devuan? it's not in debian. in ubuntu it's named "docker-compose-plugin"17:54
fsmithredwe don't have an official procedure for adding packages to devuan. It hardly ever happens.17:55
jjakobdocker ends support (EOLs) docker-compose v1 in june18:01
fsmithreddoes it need to be forked to remove systemd dependency?18:02
jjakobI'd need to check the ubuntu package dependencies18:06
jjakobah no wonder, it's not in ubuntu either, docker provides an apt repository for it18:09
fsmithredsolved.18:12
jjakobnot for devuan though18:13
fsmithredlike other third-party software, use the corresponding debian repo.18:14
fsmithredas long as it doesn't need systemd, it should work.18:14
jjakobdoes depending on github.com/coreos/go-systemd qualify? https://github.com/docker/compose/blob/449a46a25278b5fb22e2961015125cb5c42f3ba2/go.sum#L18518:18
fsmithredI have no idea. Have you tried installing it in devuan?18:19
jjakobnot yet, I'll do that18:19
jjakobI'd need to clone the repo and search for systemd or under which dependency it depends on that18:20
systemdleteSo I've been shopping around for tools in the vein of ventoy, which looks promising but might be problematic due to its Chinese origins (not MY words, but there are people warning me about this; take any PC stuff to them, not me, thanks).    So I went shopping on the Internet and found an open source project called multios-usb.   This is NOT23:41
systemdletethe same project as multiboot or multiboot-usb or other similarly named ones, most if not all of which are variants of ventoy.    This project, multios-usb, has its own github and as far as I can tell so far, it has no links to ventoy.   But I have only taken a rather cursory look at it.23:41
systemdleteDoes anyone know of this project?   Any experience with it?   It seems to have been updated last about 2 months ago, so it seems to be in support.   The latest release was in 2022.23:42
systemdleteIt looks like there is only one developer (Mexit).23:42
onefangGot a URL?23:42
systemdletehttps://github.com/Mexit/MultiOS-USB23:43
systemdlete(sorry, was a bit late on that)23:43
systemdleteI also came across grml, which I had heard of in the past but had no idea what it was.23:44
onefangIn my notes for ventoy I also have this URL  https://www.pendrivelinux.com/category/bootable-usb-creator/  Nothing other than that though, I've not actually looked at it.23:44
systemdleteThat one is YUMI, which I think is a variant of ventoy.23:45
systemdletebtw, I am not accusing ventoy of anything malicious.  But I am concerned about malware slipping into a 3rd party dependency.23:47
onefangMalware in third party dependencies is why I avoid NPM and PiPy things.23:53

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