| plasma41 | bleb: you can use 'sudo apt edit-sources' | 01:25 |
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| ksx4system | lol, friend of mine just asked wtf is restart only via systemctl | 02:27 |
| ksx4system | bruh | 02:27 |
| ksx4system | wtf is Debian on your system, y no Devuan | 02:27 |
| bleb | plasma41: thank you! | 03:24 |
| Xenguy | bleb: Consider a dist-upgrade to Beowulf if you can | 03:43 |
| plasma41 | bleb: you're welcome | 04:03 |
| FatPhil | ksx4system: don't criticise those who support their abuser, use kindness to help them escape the harm. | 09:19 |
| brocashelm | has anyone figured out how to set up pacman-package-manager for devuan? would be curious to get debian/devuan updates through pacman, just for laughs | 09:55 |
| gnarface | can't be done | 09:56 |
| gnarface | pacman is already a package in debian | 09:56 |
| gnarface | pacman - Chase Monsters in a Labyrinth | 09:56 |
| brocashelm | i see a pacman.conf file in /etc, but not sure what to put in these fields: repo-name, Server, and Include | 09:57 |
| brocashelm | pacman-package-manager is specifically arch's pacman for debian systems. was wondering if it could get it to work with debian/devuan somehow | 09:57 |
| brocashelm | that pacman is also cool | 09:57 |
| gnarface | well the package is there so presumably someone thinks it'll work right? | 09:59 |
| gnarface | hmm, maybe only using arch repos though? | 09:59 |
| brocashelm | right. i can use regular pacman commands like pacman -Syu, but needs database files synced or w/e | 09:59 |
| gnarface | there's alien | 09:59 |
| gnarface | for converting packages | 10:00 |
| brocashelm | just not sure debian/devuan way of setting up pacman so that i can instead keep using devuan and not migrate away to arch/artix/etc. | 10:00 |
| brocashelm | i guess in my case, just swapping apt for something different, just to see what it's like (i've tried nala and it wasn't my cup of tea -- too much python) | 10:00 |
| gnarface | hmm, so it'd have to be compatible with debian's repo structure too | 10:01 |
| gnarface | that might be trickier | 10:01 |
| gnarface | maybe there'd be a way to make a translation proxy of some sort if it doesn't already do that | 10:02 |
| brocashelm | for everyone's reference: https://packages.debian.org/sid/pacman-package-manager | 10:02 |
| brocashelm | i am trying to find a good use case for this, other than migrating towards an arch-based system (but that would be 1000x harder than just installing arch itself) | 10:03 |
| brocashelm | Debian 12.0 "Bookworm" Planned For Release On 10 June https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-12.0-Release-Date | 11:07 |
| gnarface | my best guess is that the use case is just installing one or two packages, minus dependencies, that are in arch but not debian | 11:09 |
| gnarface | but only when you know they won't clobber your existing installs because i assume it can't do apt dependency coherency | 11:09 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm wrong about that, but that seems like the most likely scenario | 11:10 |
| brocashelm | figured that i'll just leave it be | 11:10 |
| brocashelm | i'd rather build from source or use a working binary (appimage/deb) | 11:10 |
| n4dir | i seem to have missed quite some of the discussion, and am wondering what "use case" you speak of | 11:36 |
| brocashelm | indeed | 11:37 |
| n4dir | well, the use case for what? | 11:37 |
| n4dir | the first thing i read is "my best guess is that the use case is just ... " | 11:37 |
| brocashelm | to migrate to arch from debian without a fresh install? but that would be disastrous as both distros are not only different in versions, but configured differently | 11:38 |
| brocashelm | maybe i'll contact the maintainer and ask him what i could use that for | 11:38 |
| n4dir | oh boy, what an idea. At least as far it is me. | 11:38 |
| brocashelm | if i want arch, i'll just install arch | 11:39 |
| n4dir | i expected something which sounds strange to me, but not that strange | 11:39 |
| brocashelm | but ceres is also good enough for me if i want something more recent | 11:39 |
| brocashelm | but daedalus is being released soon (bookworm will be released on june 10) | 11:39 |
| brocashelm | so we are not that far off | 11:39 |
| n4dir | in the past there sometimes were arch users in the forum complaining bout debian being old. When i compared versions arch vs sid they usually were similar | 11:40 |
| djph | brocashelm: heh, been running daedalus for ... a while now :) | 11:41 |
| djph | but it's nice to hear it's gonna move to stable soon | 11:41 |
| brocashelm | djph: still on ceres, but will drop to daedalus shortly before release | 11:41 |
| brocashelm | i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of people who can't upgrade because they keep writing it as "deadalus" | 11:42 |
| djph | yeah, I forget why I "needed" daedalus | 11:42 |
| onefang | I keep saying we need easier to spell names. lol | 11:49 |
| djph | "stable" is very difficult to spell :D | 11:49 |
| n4dir | you can't use stable,testing, unstable in devuan, can you? | 11:50 |
| onefang | But you don't want to be typing that into your sources.list. | 11:50 |
| n4dir | though it is not the spelling. I get it all wrong with debian releasenames also, and usually they are not hard to spell | 11:50 |
| onefang | Coz when Debian bumps up stable, and Devuan is still behind, things go wrong. | 11:50 |
| djph | yeah yeah :( | 12:03 |
| gnarface | well you can use them, you just shouldn't | 12:56 |
| djph | I know, I use the codenames ... | 13:06 |
| manbi | Hi. Is it possible to install kernel 5.15 from the backports? | 18:35 |
| fsmithred_ | manbi, I don't think so. I see 5.18, 5.19, 6.0 and 6.1 in chimaera-backports | 18:37 |
| fsmithred_ | oh, that might not be right | 18:38 |
| fsmithred_ | I take it back - those versions are all there. | 18:40 |
| plasma41 | brocashelm: Are you familiar with bedrock linux (https://bedrocklinux.org/)? It sounds similar to what you're describing with regard to mixing apt and pacman. | 18:40 |
| manbi | fsmithred - Thanks a lot! | 18:42 |
| plasma41 | brocashelm: Anyone who misspells chimaera or daedalus can blame me. I proposed both of those names initially. | 18:44 |
| AzumaHazuki | speaking of...the next one is Excalibur right? | 18:45 |
| rustyaxe | have you tried gentoo? It's pretty nice too if you're into pain and suffering with all the latest software! :P | 18:45 |
| plasma41 | AzumaHazuki: yes | 18:45 |
| AzumaHazuki | i was given a possible GRUB splash screen (with the color set) but...am not sure it would be a good one. it's a nasty dark green | 18:46 |
| buZz | AzumaHazuki: you shouldnt even see grub more than 1 second per month, imho | 18:46 |
| AzumaHazuki | right, but the green would extend to all aspects of the theming, including a new variant on Clearlooks-Phenix, right? | 18:46 |
| AzumaHazuki | I was thiking "Excalibur" would mean some kind of silver/white or silver/white/royal blue theming | 18:47 |
| rwp | plasma41, I misspell Daedalus all of the time. At one point golinux thought my spelling it deadulus was a political comment rather than a typo! | 18:55 |
| fsmithred_ | AzumaHazuki, I'm pretty sure the grub bg for excal will not be green. | 19:06 |
| fsmithred_ | can you show me what you got? | 19:06 |
| AzumaHazuki | i don't have it any longer, sorry >< i got rid of it | 19:07 |
| golinux | https://transfer.sh/z7Jc6m/your-way_deathmetal_wide-large-M2.png | 19:08 |
| AzumaHazuki | that's the one, yes <3 | 19:08 |
| golinux | Your comments are insulting and imo ill informed | 19:08 |
| golinux | There is no romance in an instrument of death | 19:08 |
| golinux | If you want to create an alternate theme, be my guest but it would have to provide everything for the Xfce desktop too. | 19:12 |
| buZz | if people installed devuan for a 'theme' , shouldnt we call it 'devuntu'? | 19:13 |
| fsmithred_ | I have two exalibur bg files. I like the one from December better than the one from February. | 19:13 |
| golinux | It is a process. If no one likes it, be my guest to take on the whole banana | 19:14 |
| golinux | To appreciate the "matrix" glow you have to see it full screen on your desktop. | 19:15 |
| golinux | I tried to communicate with AzumaHazuki some weeks ago but s/he ws non-responsive. | 19:17 |
| AzumaHazuki | sorry, i've been incredibly busy and stressed out | 19:23 |
| AzumaHazuki | i may be out of a job soon and i'm trying to emigrate to Canada >< | 19:24 |
| AzumaHazuki | and, i do agree there's no romance in an instrument of death. remember i work in medicine and grew up in some of the rougher parts of New York City. I've seen a lot of blood | 19:24 |
| golinux | This channel is not Dr. Phil | 19:31 |
| golinux | offtopic would be better | 19:31 |
| AzumaHazuki | okay, look, about the theming for Excalibur, is there a delegating body that sets guidelines or...? | 19:32 |
| golinux | We are not a bureaucracy we are dooperative free-agents | 19:34 |
| golinux | cooperative actually . . . LOL! | 19:34 |
| golinux | I believe I gave you this link before https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics | 19:35 |
| golinux | That is the history of Devuan graphics | 19:36 |
| golinux | I have been doing it for @8 years | 19:37 |
| golinux | The themes have all been well-received. | 19:38 |
| golinux | I can tell you from past feedback that dark-ish themes are preferred. | 19:40 |
| golinux | You can read comments yourself on forum posts. | 19:41 |
| jiggawatt | How many boxes do you reckon run Devuan in Bakhmut ? | 20:23 |
| jiggawatt | Only 500 or so civilians left, so probably not many | 20:24 |
| jiggawatt | do you think there is random embedded stuff lying around which might be running it | 20:24 |
| jiggawatt | devuan is (kind of) suitable for embedded devices | 20:24 |
| FatPhil | AzumaHazuki: *the* AzumaHazuki? | 22:28 |
| FatPhil | "emigrate to Canada" - question answered | 22:29 |
| AzumaHazuki | no, just someone using her as an avatar. the real thing is just ink and paper | 22:29 |
| FatPhil | -> #devuan-offtopic | 22:29 |
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