| rrq | might be due to changes in the partman packages collective | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| fsmithred | sorry, I'm reading old discussion about this | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | May 03 16:04:30 <fsmithred> well, it's some other problem because that package is in the iso. | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | libgcc-s1 | 00:07 |
| rrq | mmm but doesn't get into the initrd libs | 00:08 |
| rrq | not sure why | 00:08 |
| AhmedNabil | https://photos.app.goo.gl/4yjsqDfQKkYa7bu99 | 00:10 |
| AhmedNabil | https://photos.app.goo.gl/9tB44pJGFu2VabWj9 | 00:10 |
| AhmedNabil | https://photos.app.goo.gl/mTGdb6HA5ZmygxqK9 | 00:10 |
| rrq | at that last point, you may use ctrl-alt-f4 to view the tail of /var/log/syslog ... and see it complain about libgcc_s.so | 00:12 |
| fsmithred | amd64 or i386? | 00:13 |
| AhmedNabil | when i use ctrl+alt+f4 didnt show me any logo | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | n4dir said encrypted lvm install worked with i386 netinstall iso and I tested amd64 and got the error. | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | it should drop you to a root console | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | tail /var/log/syslog | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ do that after ctrl+alt+f4 | 00:16 |
| rrq | hmm the package is in the pool but the library doesn't get installed | 00:17 |
| AhmedNabil | no its look like i chose go back | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | at the bottom of that menu should be an option to open a shell | 00:19 |
| AhmedNabil | Im open syslog now can you tell me what i search on it | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | libgcc_s.so | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | I found my May 3 install, and it doesn't boot. | 00:25 |
| AhmedNabil | https://photos.app.goo.gl/tj1F1kB1QSEfTghJ7 | 00:28 |
| rrq | thanks; the cause is that llibgcc_s.so isn't available in the installer, which it needs to be. | 00:31 |
| rrq | (libgcc_s.so.1) ... not sure why | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | I booted a live-iso with my encrypted VM attached, and I can't open the encrypted volume manually. It says 'no usable keyslot available' | 00:32 |
| gnarface | did someone just sneakernet libgcc_s.so into the installer and that's how they got it working last time? i could of sworn there was a resolution but maybe i just dreamed it | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | n4dir said he did a successful encrypted lvm install | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | said he didn't do anything special, took the automatic partitioning | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | I need a break. bbl. | 00:35 |
| AhmedNabil | I will search for old iso and see what will happen | 00:36 |
| rrq | might be a different path ... presumably "partman-auto" pulls in libgcc_s1 | 00:36 |
| AhmedNabil | where i can found devuan old iso file | 00:40 |
| fsmithred | If you can use network to install most of the packages, you could do a minimal install with a chimaera iso and then upgrade to daedalus and then add the desktop or whatever else you want. | 00:43 |
| AhmedNabil | i will try it | 00:44 |
| AhmedNabil | thank you for your help and patience ☺️ | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | do we need to test a bookworm iso? | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | good luck | 00:44 |
| rrq | (yes, a simple: ar of the deb from the pool then xzcat and tar gets it installed into the installer; and then it's happy) | 00:58 |
| rrq | not sure how long that installation path has been a problem; chimaera ISO is fine | 01:00 |
| fsmithred | I have a Feb 11 encrypted lvm daedalus that was installed on Feb 11 | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | oops | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | that's what happens when I take five minutes to write one sentence | 01:18 |
| Xenguy | "Lefthand, meet Righthand, Righthand, Lefthand" | 01:22 |
| AhmedNabil | I'm download devuan_chimaera netinstall iso and the encryption successful | 01:25 |
| rrq | thanks. good. | 01:29 |
| AhmedNabil | That's mean the encryption problem just with new iso | 01:32 |
| AhmedNabil | there's another error but I forget to take photo for it | 01:40 |
| AhmedNabil | the error when choosing to using network mirror it's failing for edit | 01:40 |
| AhmedNabil | etc/apt/sources.list | 01:40 |
| AhmedNabil | and can't upgrade in install progress saying can't access deb.devuan.org | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | AhmedNabil, yes, I think an iso from January or Febuary worked for me. I have an install from then. | 01:40 |
| rrq | :) unless you can off that ISO it won't be much help for AhmedNabil | 01:51 |
| rrq | offer | 01:52 |
| rrq | (btw looks like that dependency is not added to libc6-udeb) | 02:01 |
| rrq | (so the historically normal way to build the installer is out; I'll see if it'll work with a magic-touch) | 02:02 |
| fsmithred | rrq, need me to check anything in the debian iso to see what's different? I just did an encrypted lvm install. | 02:21 |
| rrq | well' maybe just verify that the installer itself has /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 | 02:22 |
| rrq | (i.e. in the initrd; or with c-a-f2 on the first dialog) | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 is not present in the installer environment. I'll check again when it's finished loading installer componenets. | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | nope. not there. | 03:02 |
| rrq | hmm; but AhmedNabil's partitioning option worked? | 03:10 |
| rrq | mmm some slightly different ISO build magic was required... not too weird I think | 04:36 |
| rrq | .. actually a cleanup of the ISO build procedure! | 04:49 |
| boxemall | hi there jsut stumbled over devuan. was looking for a minimal distro with a low memory footprint to get this old eeepc of mine (1GB) back to life (just as a logger) and the plan is to use it "headless" (as in no gfx UI aka Desktop). how much does it differ from original Debian (which has sadly ceased 32bit support) in terms of usage? i'm not that debian savvy in so that i hope i can use with what i already know about | 07:42 |
| boxemall | debian. | 07:42 |
| debdog | boxemall: except for the init system and some relted packages devuan is very close to debian | 07:46 |
| debdog | what do you mean "ceased 32bit support", generally or for some specific hardware? | 07:47 |
| debdog | for elderly hardware and minor tasks installing an older debian or devuan version might do the trick | 07:48 |
| boxemall | snds good. so a server install iso would prolly suffice for my needs since i don't need a desktop and related apps. well am i wrong in that debian went on to 64bit? not sure here but last time i looked i could not find a 32bit iso. the cpu i have is 64bit capable but it's a poor atom processor and the device has a whole 1gb of ram so i want to preserve every littel bit of ram i can. and 32 always a bit less taxing on the | 07:50 |
| boxemall | hardware side. correct me if i'm wrong. | 07:50 |
| boxemall | ofc i'm talking latest debian release. was that bulleye iirc? | 07:50 |
| debdog | http://debian.inf.tu-dresden.de/debian-cd/11.7.0/i386/ | 07:52 |
| debdog | IDK I don't monitor what's happening. but abondoning i386 would be a major step and I think I would have heard about it | 07:53 |
| debdog | Bullseye, affirmative. but just for a couple of weeks more, they are about to do a release | 07:55 |
| boxemall | i must've gotten it wrong then. i prolly mixed up the move on to systemd with architecture. tx for clearing that up. i was just on the lookout for something light and debian (so i went for this when i heard about it) is well know and documented and i can find lots of help in the community if the need be. devuan being close to debian would make things even better in that regard i guess | 07:59 |
| debdog | well, I wouldn't be surprised, somehow | 08:02 |
| debdog | looking at https://www.debian.org/ makes me think "wow, they went mainstream" | 08:02 |
| boxemall | the devuan minimal live image has a GUI? | 08:08 |
| debdog | dunno about live. I'd use the installer in expert mode and would go easy on the tasks | 08:11 |
| debdog | boxemall: the installer on the live images is https://www.refracta.org/documents.html | 08:16 |
| debdog | maybe you find the answer about GUI or not there. or wait for fsmithred to show up. he knows | 08:17 |
| boxemall | downloading just now. will try the live minimal and see how it goes. sadly the mirror i pcked is kinda slow lol | 08:17 |
| debdog | even if the live iso starts with a GUI it might be possible to install it without, IDK. have success! | 08:19 |
| boxemall | the main prob i always have is to paste my wifi key. u can't use the nano clipboard for e.g., outside of nano. so whenever i want to login to my wifi network. and they key is at max lenght for sec reasons. | 08:21 |
| boxemall | how much ram would i need during install when std-toram is selected (squashfs to ram) | 08:37 |
| boxemall | i'm being asked where to install grub. i want it on a 512mb fat32 (LBA) partition but it won't let me select it saying "is not a block device". can i only select the whole disk or can i specify a partition? | 08:54 |
| boxemall | oh nvm seems i had a typo | 08:55 |
| blottoman | Daedalus is the bleeding edge version, right? | 16:03 |
| fsmithred | daedalus is pretty close to being released as stable | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | currently in testing | 16:09 |
| blottoman | fsmithred, is there something more bleeding edge than daedalus? | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | ceres=sid=unstable but right now daedalus is almost identical to ceres | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | i.e. most work now is on finishing the next release. Debian will release Bookworm in a few weeks and we will follow soon after with daedalus. | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | after that, work will focus on ceres again | 16:11 |
| blottoman | I thought releases were going in alphabetical order? ASCII -> Beowulf -> Ceres -> Daedalus | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | correct | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | well almost | 16:13 |
| onefang | ASCII -> Beowulf -> Chimaera -> Daedalus | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | ceres will always be ceres | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah, thanks | 16:14 |
| blottoman | How involved is installilng native nvidia support in devuan? I'm currently using pop-os on a 5th generation lenovo x1 carbon because nvidia sort of "just works". I'm not digging systemd and the available packages and am pondering the idea of going devuan or void. | 16:42 |
| buZz | blottoman: very uninvolved | 16:44 |
| buZz | just follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers | 16:44 |
| buZz | or TLDR; just > # apt install nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree | 16:44 |
| buZz | should be plenty | 16:44 |
| gnarface | blottoman: it's just like debian. nvidia support is scattered across a couple dozen packages or so. they won't all auto-install alongside "nvidia-driver" necessarily, but if you run into something not working let me know and i can probably tell you which one you're missing | 18:32 |
| gnarface | (or which one to remove) | 18:32 |
| n4dir | using devuan-testing, icewm, i put synaptic as a desktop-icon. It doesn't open. Says it uses "synaptic-pkexec". | 20:23 |
| n4dir | if i click on synpatic in the apps-menu, it doesn't open either | 20:24 |
| gnarface | n4dir: did you try putting synaptic-pkexec in the icon instead? | 20:25 |
| n4dir | let me look | 20:25 |
| n4dir | wait. I ran synaptic-pkexec from a terminal. It complains too | 20:26 |
| gnarface | hmm | 20:26 |
| gnarface | well it probably needs root permissions | 20:26 |
| gnarface | try it as root | 20:27 |
| n4dir | i used it from terminal with "sudo synaptic-pkexec" and at least it started it. didn't ask for a password though | 20:27 |
| gnarface | yikes, but maybe the auth was cached because you used sudo on something else recently? | 20:27 |
| n4dir | i don't think so | 20:28 |
| gnarface | did you put NOPASSWORD in your sudo config> | 20:28 |
| gnarface | ? | 20:28 |
| n4dir | yeah, but not for that command | 20:29 |
| gnarface | you sure? | 20:29 |
| n4dir | yes | 20:29 |
| gnarface | without looking at it for you i can only assume you know what you're doing with it and did it right | 20:32 |
| gnarface | there's not a lot of other possible culprits though | 20:32 |
| gnarface | ... maybe a bug in pam or something | 20:32 |
| gnarface | seen that once a long time ago though | 20:33 |
| gnarface | maybe try to touch all the files in /etc/pam.d/ and reboot | 20:33 |
| n4dir | no pam at all | 20:34 |
| n4dir | oh, there it is. sorry | 20:34 |
| gnarface | i'm foggy on the rules of whether sudo needs pam or not, but most of the functioning system needs pam | 20:34 |
| gnarface | ssh definitely needs pam | 20:34 |
| gnarface | are you doing this over ssh? | 20:34 |
| n4dir | no | 20:34 |
| gnarface | are you doing it in a VM? | 20:34 |
| n4dir | yes, qemu | 20:35 |
| gnarface | do you have gnome-keyring or something like that installed? | 20:36 |
| n4dir | i think i saw it a few minutes ago, let me check | 20:36 |
| n4dir | gnome-keyring itself, libpam and pkcs11 | 20:37 |
| gnarface | check for a package called pkexec too | 20:37 |
| n4dir | did it, is installed | 20:37 |
| gnarface | pkexec itself is installed? | 20:37 |
| n4dir | yes | 20:37 |
| gnarface | how about polkit? | 20:38 |
| gnarface | er, policykit | 20:38 |
| gnarface | probably should be several packages with both strings in their names actually | 20:38 |
| n4dir | all kind of polkit and policykit is installed | 20:39 |
| n4dir | so yeah , several | 20:39 |
| gnarface | hmm, i'm not sure what's wrong | 20:39 |
| n4dir | weird, but thanks for you help | 20:39 |
| gnarface | well, i'm sure synaptic needs root permissions to work, one way or another. what's not clear is why it's not getting them. | 20:39 |
| n4dir | did i say it is devuan-testing? | 20:40 |
| gnarface | the sudo caching auth thing is probably a separate issue | 20:40 |
| gnarface | yea, you did mention it's testing | 20:40 |
| n4dir | gnarface: yeah. Also funny that from cli i can use sudo synaptic, i can't use sudo synaptic-pkexed | 20:40 |
| gnarface | that might be a peculiarity of pkexec | 20:40 |
| n4dir | but the main concern is the icon and the menu entry to not work | 20:40 |
| n4dir | if i have to let the user type it from cli, i might just as well teach him how to use apt | 20:41 |
| gnarface | well you can just add sudo to the command line in the link, can't you? | 20:41 |
| n4dir | did it, didn't work. | 20:41 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 20:41 |
| gnarface | do you have a graphical login? | 20:41 |
| gnarface | (in the VM i mean) | 20:42 |
| n4dir | no graphical login | 20:42 |
| gnarface | i wonder if policykit needs one to work right with the desktop or something | 20:43 |
| gnarface | google says you need gksu but i know that's been removed like 3 releases ago | 20:43 |
| n4dir | now i slowly remember something similar, then trying xfce, there it did work, then figured out what a WM needs to do to work too. But forgot what | 20:43 |
| n4dir | not synaptic related, but a similar thing | 20:44 |
| gnarface | hang on | 20:45 |
| gnarface | checking old release notes... | 20:45 |
| n4dir | i see that xfce autostarts policy_kit. doing ps ax in qemu, i don't see it running | 20:45 |
| gnarface | do you have consolekit installed? | 20:46 |
| gnarface | i think you might need to make sure consolekit is not installed, then make sure elogind and libpam-elogind are | 20:47 |
| gnarface | and then also you might need lightdm as your login manager for them to play nice with the desktop | 20:47 |
| gnarface | not sure about this, i try to avoid this shit | 20:47 |
| n4dir | both are installed, consolekit is not | 20:48 |
| gnarface | you mean elogind and libpam-elogind are both installed, but lightdm is not, right? | 20:48 |
| n4dir | i meant consolekit is not, but lightdm isn't installed either | 20:48 |
| n4dir | let me install it | 20:49 |
| gnarface | try installing lightdm, and restarting the VM, that's my best guess at the moment | 20:49 |
| gnarface | ascii release notes suggest it was necessary back then, but since that it's been removed from the release notes | 20:49 |
| n4dir | will do that, then eat (after reporting if that helped) | 20:49 |
| n4dir | for a noob i thought about going for autologin, but lightdm is just as nice for him, compared to startx | 20:50 |
| gnarface | golinux might have a suggestion, but if i recall it might just be to use the gksu package from an old release | 20:50 |
| n4dir | oh, also "trash is now on the desktop. Already good | 20:50 |
| gnarface | lightdm enabled your trash basket? interesting.... | 20:51 |
| gnarface | that's a good sign i suppose | 20:51 |
| gnarface | just curious but can you check for these packages? policykit-1, policykit-1-gnome | 20:52 |
| gnarface | and which window manager was this? did you say xfce? | 20:52 |
| n4dir | icewm | 20:53 |
| n4dir | xfce i usually have installed, but not there | 20:53 |
| gnarface | one possibly related note, at least from the release notes back in ascii they mentioned that lightdm+elogind only play nice with cinnamon, kde, and lxqt. for mate and xfce you needed slim+consolekit instead (mutually exclusive choice trios) | 20:53 |
| gnarface | that should have been fixed across the board afaik just based on the lack of the mention of it in later release notes, but none of those mention icewm at all... | 20:54 |
| n4dir | the problem is still there, after installing lightdm, and after reboot | 20:55 |
| n4dir | weird | 20:55 |
| gnarface | could be a bug in testing but i think you're just missing a package and i don't know which one | 20:55 |
| gnarface | golinux do you remember what the solution here is? (is it still just to use the old gksu package?) | 20:55 |
| gnarface | i was pretty sure it's supposed to work if you get the right packages together, but i can't be sure anyone has tested this with icewm | 20:56 |
| gnarface | VM guest and host are both testing? | 20:58 |
| gnarface | host shouldn't matter but not sure | 20:59 |
| n4dir | no, host is stable | 21:01 |
| n4dir | works in xfce. | 21:03 |
| gnarface | huh, interesting. and with no other package changes? | 21:03 |
| gnarface | or did xfce pull in a bunch of stuff? | 21:04 |
| gnarface | without uninstalling xfce, go back to icewm and see if it's fixed now | 21:04 |
| n4dir | checked that right now, still doesn't work in icewm | 21:04 |
| gnarface | bummer | 21:04 |
| gnarface | alright, looks like you found a bug then | 21:04 |
| n4dir | xfce told me to make it executable and to mark it too, did it both for me, but no gain in icewm | 21:05 |
| n4dir | perhaps not a bug, still it might be xfce autostarts something | 21:05 |
| n4dir | policykit, or how it is called | 21:05 |
| gnarface | yea, also possible that icewm needs consolekit instead | 21:05 |
| n4dir | you can't have it all. Whoever will use the laptop when done, will have to get the head in something | 21:06 |
| n4dir | he can now start xfce if he wants to look at synaptic, which he probably won't anyway | 21:06 |
| n4dir | or just stick to xfce, which is a good choice anyway | 21:06 |
| n4dir | gnarface: thanks a ton for your help, ideas and time. | 21:06 |
| gnarface | no problem. sorry we didn't really find a solution. if you had gksu though, it would obviate the issue, as then you could just get a popup prompt for the root password | 21:07 |
| gnarface | i think it was a mistake for them to remove it | 21:08 |
| gnarface | the old version might still work though without even needing to be rebuilt | 21:09 |
| gnarface | it did for at least one or two releases past when it was officially removed | 21:09 |
| n4dir | the only think i see right now, is that xfce autostarts policykit-1-gnome. | 21:11 |
| n4dir | let me put that in .icewm/startup | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, when gksu went away, I switched to using xterm and sudo | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | sudo? or su | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | look at the last couple of lines of refractainstaller-wrapper | 21:13 |
| * Xenguy never had any occasion to use gksu ... | 21:13 | |
| n4dir | fsmithred: will do, after eating | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | # If sudo fails, ask for root password. | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | xterm -fa mono -fs 12 -e "echo 'If user password fails, use root password.' && sudo $installer || su -c $installer" | 21:14 |
| gnarface | interesting | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure I came up with that through trial and error | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | in live-iso, you get sudo with no password, so the installer just starts | 21:15 |
| gnarface | this is basically using xterm as a graphical password prompt? | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 21:15 |
| gnarface | clever, really | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | because I couldn't figure out how to use pkexec | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | not for lack of trying | 21:16 |
| n4dir | i remember gksu being straight forward, idiot-proff | 21:16 |
| n4dir | proof even | 21:16 |
| Xenguy | What happened to it, is it gone now? | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | pkexec is idiot proof if someone else does the hard work | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's gone | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | I think it died with jessie | 21:17 |
| gnarface | no, it made it into ascii but no further | 21:17 |
| Xenguy | What was the reason, unmaintained, or ...? | 21:17 |
| gnarface | probably replaced by systemd :-p | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | I think they said it was not secure enough | 21:18 |
| n4dir | way before systemd | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | i tend to think it was not complex enough | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | bear skins and stone knives | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | yes, please | 21:18 |
| n4dir | if i ever have to use a gui progam as root, i just do su, then start from cli | 21:18 |
| n4dir | but i am not sure if that works with a display-manager | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | .oO( Sounds not bad at all ... ) | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | that works in refracta but not in plain devuan | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, ^^^ | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | unless you fix su | 21:19 |
| gnarface | well it works if you change xhost settings | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | or that | 21:19 |
| n4dir | works here, who knows why | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | susu | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | dammit | 21:19 |
| n4dir | i would have sworn with a display-manager it won't work | 21:20 |
| gnarface | you have to do something like "xhost +localhost" and then root programs can use a non-root Xorg instance | 21:20 |
| gnarface | by default it won't be set to let anyone but the user who started Xorg use it, but i'm not sure what other packges may change it automatically to a different default | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | echo 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' >> /etc/default/su | 21:21 |
| n4dir | oh, that i have | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | I didn't know it was possible to have desktop icons in icewm | 21:22 |
| n4dir | pcmanfm | 21:22 |
| fsmithred | was just gonna ask that | 21:22 |
| n4dir | though antix recommends other filemanagers to do it | 21:22 |
| n4dir | spacefm? and something zzz* | 21:23 |
| n4dir | for those two days i fiddle with it, i sure apprecitate the work antix did to offer all that stff | 21:24 |
| n4dir | to me this ain't much fun | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | yeah, spacefm will do it, too | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | both of those file managers will also work with pmount or udevil for mounting removable media | 21:31 |
| n4dir | ah, right, now i remember i saw it yesterday | 21:32 |
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