| fluffywolf | aroof! | 00:00 |
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| buZz | latex: i like pipewire on daedalus, and just enable all the alsa jack pulse through pipewire, its magic | 00:01 |
| buZz | all jack clients can see all pulse clients and all alsa clients, and vice versa, so cool | 00:02 |
| latex | buZz: Sounds cool... if it actually worked | 00:04 |
| latex | from my experience pipewire has been a disaster | 00:04 |
| latex | But that was a year ago. Maybe things have changed | 00:05 |
| buZz | ok, i specifically went to daedalus motivated to try it, wasnt disappointed | 00:05 |
| latex | I still can't get it installed on gentoo from dependencies I don't want to deal with right now | 00:05 |
| buZz | it was a bit hacky in 4 and less hacky in 5 | 00:05 |
| latex | Also while my friend was on Fedora, pipewire was completely fucked and pulseaudio programs didn't show up in the JACK graph | 00:05 |
| latex | so essentially pipewire's usecase was completely defeated | 00:06 |
| latex | so I switched my friend over to jack | 00:06 |
| buZz | i followed mostly https://wiki.debian.org/PipeWire | 00:06 |
| latex | jack also doesn't require elogind | 00:06 |
| latex | pipewire/wireplumber does | 00:06 |
| latex | and it pisses me off | 00:06 |
| buZz | but some https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/PipeWire aswell | 00:06 |
| buZz | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 00:06 |
| buZz | i'm just happy it works :) | 00:07 |
| latex | JACK has its glitches but it kinda works unlike pipewire has been for me | 00:07 |
| latex | I wanted to try pipewire but what I saw was... "no elogind. Goodbye" (not exactly quoted but it was some error about elogind not being present) | 00:08 |
| brocashelm | how good is sndiod support? | 00:10 |
| dgriffi | when is Daedalus expected to be finalized? | 01:23 |
| buZz | i'd expect it to finalize soon | 01:53 |
| ted-ious | dgriffi: The packages are already done it's just waiting on the final installer isos. | 01:53 |
| buZz | brocashelm: in qemu? :) fine | 01:53 |
| ted-ious | But you can use whatever the last one available is and install right now. | 01:53 |
| buZz | i'm a bit sad there's no pipewire launcher in daedalus | 01:54 |
| buZz | or, i havent found one yet :P | 01:54 |
| darwin | will there ever be Devuan for ARM CPUs? I'd prefer something better than RaspiOS (which only has systemd) | 02:51 |
| rustytaco | i seem to recall there's devuan running on my pi wherever it is | 02:56 |
| rustytaco | It still answers pings but i cannot physically locate it as of a long time ago | 02:56 |
| buZz | darwin: there are images for arm | 02:58 |
| buZz | darwin: https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan , scroll down a bit | 02:59 |
| buZz | or eh, https://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 03:00 |
| darwin | what does trial mean in this case? | 03:02 |
| rwp | darwin, I am running stock Devuan on my Banana Pi ARM being used as my house WiFi Access Point device. | 03:41 |
| darwin | good | 03:42 |
| darwin | did you or anyone run this fan shim?: http://github.com/pimoroni/fanshim-python ( http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/fan-shim?variant=29210095812691 ) | 03:42 |
| rustytaco | Operating System............................... Linux 3.8.13-rt9-4143e257 | 04:10 |
| rustytaco | holier than the damn pope :( | 04:10 |
| latex | buZz: can't find a wireplumber/pipewire service after installing it | 17:15 |
| fluffywolf | ok, this is a new failure. on one of my other laptops, completely stock devuan install, xfce. xscreensaver just activated while I was using the laptop. I can still move the pointer around, being displayed over the screensaver. neither moving it not clicking is making the screensaver go away. | 17:16 |
| juma[m] | Wazaup | 17:17 |
| juma[m] | got debian 12 | 17:17 |
| juma[m] | its safe to migrate to devuan | 17:27 |
| fluffywolf | and why does xfce no longer show any battery/power information? grrrrrrr | 17:28 |
| * fluffywolf is reminded why normally immediately installs icewm, not use xfce | 17:28 | |
| DashiePie | fluffywolf always ICEs xfce | 17:37 |
| gnarface | juma[m]: not sure anyone actually knows for sure, but it might work. | 17:41 |
| juma[m] | thanks gnarface | 17:42 |
| juma[m] | I will wait for stable version | 17:42 |
| gnarface | all the previous versions worked, sometimes you had to iron out some package difficulties but it would be doable | 17:42 |
| juma[m] | when I installed devuan netinstall | 17:43 |
| juma[m] | it let me choose sysvint , openrc, and (the other) | 17:43 |
| juma[m] | but openrc is built with sysvint based ? | 17:43 |
| gnarface | i think so, yea | 17:44 |
| gnarface | it's how debian chose to set it up | 17:44 |
| juma[m] | what init do you recomendme? | 17:45 |
| gnarface | if in doubt, use the default, sysvinit, because it's the most finished, there's the most resident knowledge about it around here, and the other ones use the same scripts anyway | 17:46 |
| gnarface | but if you want to run the normal openrc setup instead it's not hard to do. someone around here knows how to do that, i'm sure... | 17:46 |
| gnarface | if you really like openrc you could just try it as they've set it up... they had good reasons, you might find you like it | 17:47 |
| gnarface | i just know that the work to actually integrate more daemons has been done with sysvinit (probably a large reason why they chose to use those scripts) | 17:48 |
| gnarface | but writing openrc startup scripts is supposed to be enough easier to obviate the whole issue, so if you're comfortable enough with it maybe it doesn't matter which you choose | 17:49 |
| gnarface | if you know how to write startup scripts in all of them, they'll all work, they're all completely functional | 17:51 |
| juma[m] | So to start, gnarface should i got to sysvint? | 17:52 |
| gnarface | yea | 17:52 |
| gnarface | don't worry, it's not gonna be slow | 17:52 |
| juma[m] | learning how sysvinti works should give me knowladge to other init systems (not systemd) | 17:53 |
| gnarface | yes | 17:53 |
| juma[m] | Thanks :) | 17:54 |
| gnarface | np | 17:54 |
| latex | buZz: I'd like to know how you set up pipewire. I just get RTKit errors and shit | 18:19 |
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