| gnarface | EHeM: daedalus already has 6.1.38-2 even, so i'm not really sure what that's about | 00:36 |
|---|---|---|
| EHeM | Looks like: http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged testing/main | 00:43 |
| rrq | don't use "testing" while "daedalus" is frozen | 01:09 |
| rrq | (or ever) | 01:10 |
| EHeM | rrq: I try to avoid adjusting my sources.list when possible. | 01:24 |
| fsmithred | Why do you think that version is missing in devuan? | 01:25 |
| golinux | What rrq said . . . | 01:32 |
| golinux | but then it's your install to fubar . . . | 01:32 |
| EHeM | golinux: If one is *very* careful one can play with the rules. | 01:59 |
| EHeM | Normally I wouldn't go that direction, but I've got some fast hardware for which a very recent kernel is rather high value. | 02:00 |
| golinux | That is what backports is for | 02:25 |
| EHeM | I understand the risks. | 03:01 |
| EHeM | Luckily due to being fairly self-contained the kernel source is actually pretty safe for doing this. | 03:02 |
| Z_O | .win balance | 03:49 |
| Guest58 | Good evening again | 06:08 |
| Guest58 | I have yet more package confusion | 06:09 |
| Guest58 | thankfully NOTwith OBS this time. | 06:10 |
| gnarface | Guest58: just ask your question and stick around. the channel can be pretty slow but people do read their scrollbacks and respond when they can. | 06:13 |
| Guest58 | doing a dist upgrade to match the machine that had the compile error, and the nvidia drivers apearto have bjorked | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | doing a dist upgrade to match the machine that had the compile error, and the nvidia drivers apearto have bjorked. | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | apt-get install nvidia-driver | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | Reading package lists... Done | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | Building dependency tree... Done | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | Reading state information... Done | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | or been moved out of Incoming. | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | The following information may help to resolve the situation: | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | nvidia-driver : Depends: nvidia-kernel-dkms (= 525.125.06-1~deb12u1) but it is not installable or | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | nvidia-kernel-525.125.06 or | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | nvidia-open-kernel-525.125.06 or | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | nvidia-open-kernel-525.125.06 | 06:14 |
| Guest58 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 06:14 |
| gnarface | woah, you should use pate.debian.net so you don't get flood kicked | 06:14 |
| gnarface | looks like you got away with it that time though | 06:15 |
| gnarface | what's the command you used exactly that generated this error? | 06:15 |
| Guest58 | I had forgotten that was a thing, TBH. | 06:15 |
| Guest58 | > apt-get install nvidia-driver | 06:15 |
| Guest58 | dpkg -l |grep nvidia has no output | 06:16 |
| gnarface | you didn't have it installed before? | 06:16 |
| Guest58 | did a dist upgrade to daedalus today | 06:16 |
| gnarface | but you didn't have the nvidia drivers installed before i mean? | 06:17 |
| Guest58 | the were installed on chimaera, but allways issues. decided to re-instal | 06:17 |
| Guest58 | that didnot go well. | 06:17 |
| gnarface | i mean on the current install | 06:18 |
| Guest58 | I removed them before dist upgrade | 06:18 |
| gnarface | i see | 06:18 |
| gnarface | try this: dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia | 06:18 |
| gnarface | just to make sure the old ones are really all gone | 06:19 |
| Guest58 | blank/nada | 06:19 |
| gnarface | alright, let's sanity check your sources.list first | 06:19 |
| gnarface | just paste it up at paste.debian.net and i'll make sure it's got everything | 06:19 |
| gnarface | there was a important change between chimaera and daedalus other than just the name | 06:20 |
| Guest58 | I did NOT use backports on this machine, thankfully. | 06:20 |
| gnarface | good, that narrows it down a little | 06:21 |
| gnarface | but i wanna see the sources.list you used still | 06:21 |
| Guest58 | 1288025 | 06:21 |
| gnarface | oy | 06:22 |
| gnarface | this could be organized better, give me a second to read it | 06:22 |
| Guest58 | yeah, I have a tendancy to not sort | 06:23 |
| gnarface | alright, i'm pretty sure all that's wrong with it is you need to add "non-free-firmware" to the end of the last 6 lines | 06:23 |
| Guest58 | the firms got seperated out of non-free ? | 06:23 |
| gnarface | yea, "firmware" which in this context actually means drivers for some dumb reason | 06:24 |
| gnarface | debian did that upstream, and we inherited the change transparently | 06:24 |
| gnarface | that's new with daedalus | 06:24 |
| Guest58 | bizzare... that was the whole point of non-free | 06:24 |
| gnarface | yea, i guess they wanted to distinguish drivers and firmware from just regular desktop software | 06:25 |
| gnarface | non-free is still there, to be clear | 06:25 |
| gnarface | it's just that now you also need non-free-firmware | 06:25 |
| gnarface | and that just changed as of daedalus | 06:25 |
| Guest58 | one of the many debian decisions that makes no sense to me | 06:26 |
| gnarface | given you don't have older nvidia driver versions or backports stuff in there, just adding that and running "apt-get update" once should make your previous "apt-get install nvidia-driver" command work | 06:26 |
| Guest58 | its running now. | 06:27 |
| Guest58 | did they ever fix nvidia-persistance? | 06:27 |
| gnarface | personally i usually do "apt-get --no-install-recommends install [package]" just to avoid extra cruft but i'm not sure it will matter in this case | 06:27 |
| gnarface | eh, you tell me. i haven't installed nvidia drivers for like 2 years now | 06:27 |
| gnarface | either way, you still don't actually require it | 06:28 |
| Guest58 | I dont have and decent AMD cards, and only the half decent nvidia card. | 06:28 |
| Guest58 | *any | 06:28 |
| gnarface | just check the version on the package | 06:28 |
| gnarface | if it matches the version that most the others are using it should work | 06:29 |
| Guest58 | I will, of course, need to reboot | 06:29 |
| Guest58 | and no, they still dont have it fixed: | 06:30 |
| Guest58 | Errors were encountered while processing: | 06:30 |
| Guest58 | nvidia-persistenced | 06:30 |
| Guest58 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 06:30 |
| Guest58 | mostly harmless error | 06:30 |
| Guest58 | rebooting. wish me luck | 06:32 |
| Guest58 | yup. that was it | 06:35 |
| gnarface | cool, everything looks like it's working now? | 06:36 |
| Guest58 | hopefully the upgrade docs for daedalus include that wee bit of errata | 06:36 |
| gnarface | the thing about non-free-firmware? that would be a good thing to add, i agree. it's not up to me but someone around here might be able to do it. | 06:37 |
| Guest58 | Yeah, it looks like it is. now I jsut need to figure out teh USB bs that cropped up. | 06:37 |
| Guest58 | Yeah, that needs to be a BIG sign, or everyone that does a dist upgrade will get bit like I was. | 06:38 |
| Guest58 | (half of them woun't read it anyway, but still) | 06:38 |
| Guest58 | another reboot time. brb' | 06:40 |
| gnarface | Guest58: i forgot to tell you before you left, make sure you have linux-headers-amd64, build-essential, and dkms, and if you didn't, install them and run dkms again | 06:52 |
| gnarface | (or just apt-get --reinstall install the drivers) | 06:52 |
| gnarface | the nvidia drivers need to build a wrapper on the fly | 06:53 |
| gnarface | during install | 06:53 |
| gnarface | it might work without it using some default something or another but i've had bad luck with it | 06:53 |
| Guest58 | it does weird things | 06:54 |
| Guest58 | 1288026 | 06:55 |
| Guest58 | this is one of theproblems I was having bwefore. | 06:57 |
| Guest58 | compounded now, by having half of my USB ports not working | 07:02 |
| gnarface | Guest58: no, no, sorry. what i meant was to reinstall all the other packages by passing them as a list to the same "apt-get --reinstall --no-install-recommends install ..." command, without nvidia-persistenced included. apt-get purge nvidia-persistenced | 07:08 |
| gnarface | apt-get purge nvidia-persistenced first | 07:08 |
| Guest58 | ummm | 07:08 |
| gnarface | if you want to try making it work you can always install it again later | 07:08 |
| gnarface | (the only reason you have to list all the packages is i don't remember which one actually needs dkms, sorry that's my bad, just want to make sure to give you something that i know will work, might not be the simplest approach though) | 07:09 |
| Guest58 | ahhhh okay. | 07:10 |
| gnarface | but nothing should depend on nvidia-peristenced, it should remove without taking anything else with it. make sure it does. | 07:10 |
| Guest58 | ughhh | 07:13 |
| Guest58 | trying to figure out whick package triggers dkms is annoying | 07:14 |
| Guest58 | also hate theis backup keyboard | 07:14 |
| gnarface | you should also be able to just run dkms as root but i forget the exact option you want to pass | 07:15 |
| gnarface | Guest58: ^ | 07:15 |
| gnarface | check the man page | 07:15 |
| gnarface | hopefully you'll already have all the build deps | 07:16 |
| Guest58 | probably just autoinstall? | 07:16 |
| Guest58 | or not... | 07:23 |
| Guest58 | arghhh | 07:27 |
| Guest58 | I think the usb interface in my mech died | 07:27 |
| Guest58 | OR... | 07:29 |
| Guest58 | the port is no longer delivering enough power to let the device initialize... wtf... | 07:29 |
| Guest58 | off of the backup keyboard. | 07:30 |
| gnarface | hmm, maybe autoinstall, not sure | 08:31 |
| gnarface | the man page suggests it would have to be installed before though | 08:32 |
| gnarface | maybe it's just a misleading description though | 08:33 |
| gnarface | (the description of it from the arch wiki seems to suggest you're right) | 08:34 |
| gnarface | can't tell you what's wrong with the USB device, but if you have both usb2 and usb3 ports maybe try a usb3 port | 08:35 |
| manchotx | for xfce, do I need to install synaptics or libinput for touchpad to have zoom out/in? | 10:38 |
| manchotx | current, I can only scroll but can't zoom the pages | 10:38 |
| * gnarface shrugs... maybe | 10:50 | |
| gnarface | worth a try | 10:50 |
| gnarface | didn't have to do anything special on my pinebook, whatever was the default worked | 10:50 |
| gnarface | there could be different situations based on whether you're getting it as a hardware or software feature though i think | 10:51 |
| rrq | there are some xserver-xorg-input-* packages for touch, eg xserver-xorg-input-mtrack and xserver-xorg-input-multitouch .. not sure what yours needs | 11:23 |
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