| systemdlete2 | Ok, once again, I have forgotten how to install devuan to a raid drive. I have the raid set up already, and I have even created a partition on it. How do I get that added to the selection of install targets (that comes in the next window during installation)? | 00:32 |
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| systemdlete2 | devuan chimaera | 00:32 |
| systemdlete2 | I've tried several times but no luck. | 00:32 |
| systemdlete2 | (Istr this is a simple thing, but it is just not clicking, sorry) | 00:34 |
| systemdlete2 | (I promise to write it down in my elog notebook this time) | 00:34 |
| systemdlete2 | oh, I am running the installer by clicking the desktop icon, not from cmd line | 00:36 |
| rrq | from memory: you start by marking the partitions to be in the raid, and then you create the raid device and selects the partitions to be in it. pointy-clicky | 00:39 |
| systemdlete2 | as I mentioned, I have already created the raid and formatted it. | 00:39 |
| rrq | great. I've just crawled out of bed myself :) | 00:40 |
| systemdlete2 | gm, rrq! | 00:41 |
| rrq | so the raid device should be in the partitioner's list.. and it need a partition table first | 00:42 |
| systemdlete2 | got that, check | 00:42 |
| systemdlete2 | but it does not appear in the installer's list of targets | 00:42 |
| rrq | ah... this is live installer.. hmm there isn't a manual input option? | 00:44 |
| systemdlete2 | refractainstaller? | 00:44 |
| systemdlete2 | I hate that script. | 00:44 |
| systemdlete2 | It's buggy. | 00:44 |
| systemdlete2 | If you don't type just the right thing at the right time, it does "funny" things. | 00:44 |
| rrq | hmm I may need to read scrollback... not sure what you mean with "list of targets" | 00:46 |
| rrq | after partitioning the raid drive, you'd have a selected partition for "/" | 00:47 |
| rrq | and that would be the install target | 00:47 |
| systemdlete2 | I'm not sure what you are looking at. I launch the installer from the live desktop and follow the prompts. | 00:47 |
| systemdlete2 | At one point, there is the partioning step. You can pick gdisk or gparted or skip it. | 00:47 |
| systemdlete2 | Since I've got my partition already set up on my raid, I skip it. | 00:48 |
| systemdlete2 | Then | 00:48 |
| rrq | ah; ok, it is the live installer, (not installer-iso) | 00:48 |
| systemdlete2 | a list of paritions appears | 00:48 |
| systemdlete2 | ok, so I need the installer-iso. | 00:48 |
| systemdlete2 | thanks. | 00:48 |
| systemdlete2 | THAT was the simple sauce, I think. | 00:48 |
| systemdlete2 | thanks. | 00:48 |
| rrq | possibly; it does partitioning pointy-clicky in a different way | 00:50 |
| rrq | I'm sure you'll enjoy it though :) | 00:50 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete2, if you want to install to raid from live-iso you have to do some things manually and then use the cli installer. Look for my howto on the forum. | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | This one: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2323 | 01:14 |
| systemdlete2 | thanks fsmithred | 01:16 |
| spine-o-saurus | anyone else getting this error during git clone https://dpaste.org/Jrupw | 07:07 |
| spine-o-saurus | i think it is going to sleep mode or something and times out | 07:07 |
| DelTomix | Hey all - Wondering if I messed up something - or if the servers are updating? I just debootstraped a daedalus installation, and after booting, apt update says "xxxRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 49min 9s). Updates for this repository will not be applied" - don't think I've ever seen that before | 08:39 |
| brocashelm | deltomix: what does the output for date say? | 08:42 |
| DelTomix | brocashelm: same thing once for each repository (inrelease, security, updates, backports, proposed-updates) theres the usual series of "GET:" lines and then "E: Release file for http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/daedalus/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 49min 9s). Updates for this repository will not be applied." - for each of the sources. - just realised - I wonder if it could | 08:48 |
| DelTomix | be the timestamp, going from the debootstrap system to the booted system (its sysclock is GMT so its reading 4 hours behind) | 08:48 |
| DelTomix | ah yes - thats definitely it.. grr.. it works when I do "apt -o Acquire::Max-FutureTime=21600 update" | 08:56 |
| brocashelm | deltomix: you need to manually set the date to the correct UTC timezone | 08:58 |
| DelTomix | right yeah | 08:58 |
| DelTomix | have to figure out how I can do that in the generator script - where I don't know the time-zone of the target in advance - I guess in my initial boot scripts | 09:04 |
| ted-ious | Can the new installer install onto existing partitions so I can make smarter choices about options? | 10:30 |
| ted-ious | Or do I still have to do the install and tar up the system and reformat? | 10:31 |
| fsmithred | what??? | 10:33 |
| fsmithred | ted-ious, what do you want to tar? | 10:34 |
| ted-ious | The system I just installed so I can reformat the root partition. | 10:36 |
| ted-ious | Since I don't see a way to specify options for when it gets formatted. | 10:36 |
| fsmithred | Are you using one of the installer isos or a live iso? | 10:38 |
| fsmithred | choose Manual paritioning in the installer iso. The live isos don't partition for you but it will format the partitions unless you tell it not to format. | 10:39 |
| fsmithred | and if you're using a live iso, it's probably faster to reinstall because it just copies the live system to the hard drive. No network is needed. | 10:41 |
| ted-ious | I was using the live image. | 11:10 |
| fsmithred | you have to do all the partioning manually - installer will offer you a couple of choices (gparted and either gdisk or cfdisk) | 11:11 |
| fsmithred | or you can partition before running the installer and then choose those partitions in the installer. | 11:12 |
| ted-ious | Ok I'm trying again with the installer dvd in expert ode. | 11:12 |
| ted-ious | mode | 11:12 |
| fsmithred | OK, choose manual partiioning and you can set it up how you want. | 11:13 |
| fsmithred | btw you don't need expert install to do manual partitioning. | 11:13 |
| fsmithred | expert gives you a few more questions. | 11:14 |
| fsmithred | about other things | 11:14 |
| fsmithred | will you be choosing a mirror? | 11:14 |
| fsmithred | or installing all from the dvd? | 11:14 |
| ted-ious | I'm going to do a minimal install and setup the mirror later. | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | ok, that'll work. | 11:17 |
| ted-ious | How do I tell it to use the partition but not format it? | 11:18 |
| fsmithred | if you do a full desktop install from the dvd without a mirror, you don't get some packages that you might expect - like firefox. | 11:18 |
| ted-ious | If I tell it what filesystem type it is it insists on formatting it. | 11:18 |
| ted-ious | Oh no problem this is a server. | 11:18 |
| fsmithred | correct | 11:18 |
| fsmithred | don't tell it a file system for the partition. | 11:18 |
| ted-ious | It won't let me continue without a root filesystem defined. | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | Make sure there's not "F" (or "f"?) next to it on the list. | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | I don't recall the exact order of screens in the partitioning, but there's a place to choose format/no format for the parittions. | 11:20 |
| fsmithred | uh, I'm not fully awake yet. Why don't you want the installer to format the partiions? | 11:21 |
| ted-ious | Because it will put a journal on it and that's horrible for a vm on a ssd. | 11:21 |
| fsmithred | so you want to use ext2? Won't the installer let you do that? | 11:22 |
| ted-ious | No the ext2 format doesn't have the btree optimizations of ext4. | 11:22 |
| fsmithred | Sounds like you're trying to do something that I know nothing about. | 11:24 |
| ted-ious | It's a shame that you can't just type in the mkfs commands in the installer. | 11:24 |
| ted-ious | It would make customizations so much simpler. | 11:24 |
| fsmithred | you can tell it not to format the partitions. | 11:25 |
| fsmithred | If needed, find a youtube video of manual partitioning with debian-installer. | 11:25 |
| ted-ious | I've checked every possible option in this menu and there's no way to get past this point without letting it format. | 11:26 |
| ted-ious | Do I have to back up and use guided partitioning? | 11:26 |
| gnarface | no, it's definitely manual partitioning | 11:26 |
| fsmithred | so on the summary screen does every partition have F next to it? | 11:26 |
| gnarface | check the partition options, there's two flags you can set in there | 11:27 |
| ted-ious | I can only get rid of the f by telling it to not use the partition. | 11:27 |
| ted-ious | I can't set that flag manually. | 11:27 |
| gnarface | you sure it's don't use and not just don't format? | 11:28 |
| ted-ious | 100% sure. | 11:28 |
| gnarface | what filesystem is it? | 11:28 |
| ted-ious | It says do not use. | 11:28 |
| ted-ious | ext4 with no journal. | 11:29 |
| gnarface | i wonder if it's because it's an older ext4 version | 11:29 |
| ted-ious | No I just formatted it 2 minutes ago using the install dvd. | 11:29 |
| gnarface | oh, odd | 11:30 |
| gnarface | this is the daedalus one? | 11:30 |
| fsmithred | I know you can do this with the live installer. Pre-format and tell installer not to format. | 11:30 |
| ted-ious | I had to do it again because telling it to erase the data on the partition looks like it did a dd /dev/zero onto it. | 11:30 |
| ted-ious | fsmithred: That didn't work for me either. | 11:30 |
| ted-ious | Before I started talking here. | 11:30 |
| fsmithred | why not? | 11:30 |
| gnarface | i haven't seen the new installers but there at least definitely used to be a way to set it to use a partition but not pre-format it | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | it's designed to allow you to do that | 11:31 |
| ted-ious | There was no option for that. | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, I thought so, too | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | ted-ious, yes there are two ways to do it | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | either in the config file or in the options menu of the graphical installer | 11:31 |
| djph | there is (was) when you used the "I know what I'm doing" option ... | 11:31 |
| fsmithred | Do not format (check the box) | 11:31 |
| djph | but I think the "guided" options didn't have that | 11:31 |
| ted-ious | The last time I did this with chimaera I had to let the installer go ahead and then tar up the system and mkfs it myself using a live cd. | 11:32 |
| ted-ious | djph: I don't remember ever seeing an option like that or I'd have chosen it. | 11:32 |
| djph | like what? It's usually the last one (albeit nicer -> "Manual" or some such) | 11:33 |
| rrq | there is the format/fon't format option for every partition in the installer-iso partitioner | 11:35 |
| rrq | f=d | 11:35 |
| rrq | you can use guided or manual, and you can then review and change settings for the partitions | 11:36 |
| rrq | before committing it | 11:36 |
| rrq | the hands-on is to select te partition, then fidle it settings and the chose "done with this partition" | 11:38 |
| rrq | h d s | 11:38 |
| rrq | but the base system debootstrap may get uppity trying to install over an existing installation | 11:41 |
| ted-ious | I'll try the live gui again but I'm pretty sure these options everybod is talking about don't exist in the installer without some hidden trick. | 11:42 |
| fsmithred | I'm in the rc5 netinstall now and I can't figure out how to do it. | 11:42 |
| rrq | select a partition | 11:42 |
| fsmithred | Use as: only sane choice is ext4 journaling file system | 11:42 |
| fsmithred | and then I'm allowed to tell it to use it for / | 11:43 |
| fsmithred | but I don't see a way not to format it | 11:43 |
| rrq | sletc that format line | 11:43 |
| rrq | slect | 11:43 |
| rrq | select (bloody fingers) | 11:43 |
| fsmithred | instead of ext4, I could choose 'do not use' | 11:43 |
| rrq | select the lane saying "format" | 11:43 |
| rrq | l;ine | 11:43 |
| fsmithred | I'll try that again | 11:44 |
| rrq | (I need coffee) | 11:44 |
| ted-ious | fsmithred: It's actually a very not sane choice for a vm that's already running on a journaling filesystem on an ssd. | 11:44 |
| ted-ious | That causes major write amplification. | 11:44 |
| ted-ious | Honestly you don't even really need a journal for a reasonable sized ssd. | 11:45 |
| fsmithred | well then the only sane choice in that list is ext2 | 11:45 |
| ted-ious | And it's probably not even worth it on an nvme at all. | 11:45 |
| ted-ious | No as I said the ext2 format is primative and has pathological behavior with very large directories. | 11:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but that's what's in the list | 11:46 |
| ted-ious | Those problems got fixed in the last few versions of ext3 and in all recent ext4's. | 11:46 |
| fsmithred | use the live. You should be done in less than 10 minutes after you finish formatting. | 11:46 |
| rrq | which filesystem type is it? | 11:47 |
| fsmithred | ext4 without journal | 11:47 |
| fsmithred | oh, is there a way to disable the journal after the install? | 11:47 |
| rrq | ok, so select ext4, and then don't format | 11:47 |
| fsmithred | can't do it | 11:47 |
| rrq | is there a line saying "format it"? | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | nope | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | Use as: | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | and then you can choose a mount point | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | and then you say Done setting up the partition | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | and it shows up in the partition list with f next to it. | 11:49 |
| rrq | no line that says "format" ? | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | where you can select it and go through the same choices again | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | nope. | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | under Use as: there is "Do not use the parition" | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | you can fiddle with mount options, but I don't know if that would help | 11:51 |
| ted-ious | LOL now the installer got to a point after I ran gparted and it prompted for a password | 11:52 |
| rrq | for me the second line (after a gap) says "Format the partition: ..." | 11:52 |
| ted-ious | So I hit enter and the installer closed. | 11:52 |
| ted-ious | This is not encouraging. | 11:52 |
| rrq | then "Mount point:" | 11:52 |
| rrq | then "Mount options:" ... | 11:52 |
| ted-ious | How did debian get this far with this installer? | 11:52 |
| fsmithred | debian never used that live installer | 11:53 |
| ted-ious | Oh. | 11:53 |
| fsmithred | ted-ious, don't use gparted inside the installer | 11:53 |
| rrq | fsmithred: could you screenshot yours? | 11:53 |
| fsmithred | partition and format first. Then tell the installer not to format, then skip the gparted section inside the installer. | 11:54 |
| fsmithred | rrq, which screen? | 11:54 |
| rrq | mmm I'm talking installer-iso ... you're talking libve installer? | 11:54 |
| rrq | on "Partition disks" dialog with disks and partition and "Configure" options, select the partition with Enter, and that's the dilog | 11:56 |
| rrq | (also named "Partition disks", but with "Done setting up the partition" as last choice) | 11:57 |
| fsmithred | The screen with first choice is "Use as" | 11:57 |
| rrq | yes | 11:58 |
| fsmithred | I got that one, the one before and the one after (the use as list) | 11:58 |
| ted-ious | If I install all locales what does that actually do? | 11:58 |
| ted-ious | Will it take up gigs of space? | 11:58 |
| fsmithred | I think it does take up space | 11:58 |
| fsmithred | are you planning to switch language to any or all of them? | 11:59 |
| ted-ious | Is there an easy way to uninstall them later? | 11:59 |
| fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure locales | 11:59 |
| ted-ious | No I was just wondering if I had a server that needed support for users of many languages would it be less problematic to install all of them so I didn't have to worry about it later. | 11:59 |
| ted-ious | Ok then I'm going to try it and see how much space it takes. | 12:00 |
| ted-ious | Looks like it locks up the cpu. | 12:03 |
| ted-ious | No disk activity and the terminal window is just sitting there. | 12:05 |
| ted-ious | Is there a later version of the live dvd than 4.0.0? | 12:06 |
| ted-ious | I guess I'm going to have to abandon the locale experiment. | 12:06 |
| fsmithred | yes, there are daedalus isos | 12:08 |
| fsmithred | ted-ious, is your root partition encrypted? | 12:08 |
| ted-ious | No. | 12:09 |
| ted-ious | I mean a later chimaera live dvd like how there was a beowulf 3.1. | 12:09 |
| ted-ious | Hmm I think I found the bug. | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | no point-release for chimaera | 12:09 |
| ted-ious | Selecting c.utf8 as the local made it fail the same way even without selecting all locales. | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | the live isos are 4.0.3 but only to correct some errors. | 12:10 |
| ted-ious | Oh ok. | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | that's odd | 12:10 |
| ted-ious | I only have 4.0.0. | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the installer isos are 4.0.0 | 12:10 |
| ted-ious | It failed again. | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | drop to console and check the syslog | 12:12 |
| fsmithred | alt-f1 or maybe alt-f4 will have useful output | 12:12 |
| ted-ious | Task manager says cpu at 100% but the host is idle. | 12:13 |
| ted-ious | Oh now it's back. | 12:14 |
| ted-ious | CPU is back to noral. | 12:14 |
| ted-ious | I guess it just needs to do something intense with locales for a few minutes. | 12:15 |
| ted-ious | I typed sync in an xterm and it's just sitting there. | 12:16 |
| ted-ious | I think it's probably better to just script debootstrap and never use installers. | 12:19 |
| ted-ious | 6 minutes of 100% cpu after I killed the installer and ran sync. | 12:20 |
| fsmithred | https://transfer.sh/NHiEeqLlhy/partitioner_4.png | 12:22 |
| fsmithred | I don't know why the format line didn't show up for you. For me it didn't show up when the partition was encrypted. When I tried it with a regular ext4 partition, the format line showed up. | 12:24 |
| ted-ious | It's running now. | 12:26 |
| ted-ious | For some reason this time it didn't take minutes to figure out locales. | 12:26 |
| ted-ious | Instead it's taking minutes to install firmware. | 12:27 |
| ted-ious | I don't understand why it's still at 0% after 5 minutes. | 12:29 |
| ted-ious | Still at 0% after 40 minutes. | 13:02 |
| rrq | what does it say at vt4 ? | 13:07 |
| rrq | ted-ious; ^^ | 13:09 |
| ted-ious | I just killed the vm and I'm going to try again with the server install cd. | 13:10 |
| ted-ious | I noticed there's a new daedalus rc8 so I think maybe I should just go with that so I don't have to install chimaera and upgrade. | 13:11 |
| rrq | should be fine | 13:11 |
| leitz | Hey, good morning. Newbie question. I've been using Devuan for some older laptops, due to hardware constraints. I have another non-Devuan box that needs to run docker, and some server stuff, and yet another non-Devuan box that is a development workstation that occasionally does Amazon Prime video. Is there any reason not to use Devuan on all of them? The workstation uses NVME and spinning rust drives, and is multi-core/multi-gig ram. | 13:14 |
| leitz | So far my only issue with Devuan is the lack of auto-installer like Kickstart/Jumpstart. If it can run what I use then I'll likely move to it. | 13:16 |
| leitz | Oh, and a couple of RPis that will or do run Devuan. :) | 13:16 |
| leitz | And an old MacTop that needs to be reused. And a 386 Toshiba. | 13:16 |
| ted-ious | I should probably not talk about my experiences with the installer. :) | 13:19 |
| leitz | ted-ious, please, do! I'm all electron-receptors... | 13:20 |
| ted-ious | I'm have a miserable time trying to get it to do a simple install onto partitions I formatted. | 13:22 |
| ted-ious | I also keep running into bad behavior with locales. | 13:23 |
| ted-ious | It looks like it's impossible to use the regular installer to choose utc as the time zone so I'll have to do that after it finishes. | 13:23 |
| ted-ious | And the time stamps will change. | 13:24 |
| leitz | How responsive is the development team? Do they have an active bug-tracker? | 13:24 |
| ted-ious | Yes but I usually just talk to people here. | 13:25 |
| leitz | I think we're talking before a lot of folks wake up... | 13:28 |
| ted-ious | Several folks have been talking with me over the past few hours. | 13:29 |
| rrq | leitz: you want to use Devaun for this and that? Good. Do it. | 13:33 |
| rrq | or Devuan rather .. I have problem with spelling today | 13:34 |
| leitz | rrq, more a question of "how complete is Devuan". I've used other distros before, and some are very complete, while some aren't. | 13:38 |
| leitz | So far it seems pretty complete, but I haven't really tested everything I do on it, yet. | 13:38 |
| rrq | everything in Debian (all packages) except thos that require systemd are available in Devuan. | 13:40 |
| rrq | i.e. regarded as a repository of packages, it is as complete as Debian | 13:41 |
| critr | leitz: devuan daedalus works fine with my nvme (including booting from it) and hard drives. as far as completeness goes, you get everything in the debian repos except things that can't be modified to work without systemd... a couple hundred packages i think. | 13:41 |
| ted-ious | Hmm the server install iso doesn't know how to install all locales. | 13:42 |
| rrq | those packages that require systemd have to a large extent also been forked to avoid that requirement | 13:42 |
| ted-ious | Also doesn't know how to let you choose utc. | 13:42 |
| ted-ious | Oh and also if you select c.utf8 it doesn't select any locales at all so I have to select them all by hand. | 13:43 |
| rrq | ted-ious: if you don't have network backing then only the packages on the iso are available. | 13:43 |
| rrq | not sure what you mean and expect wrt choose utc; | 13:45 |
| ted-ious | UTC should be an option to select for your location. | 13:46 |
| rrq | is UTC a timezone for any location? | 13:47 |
| rrq | well, I suppose it is that you want the installed system run tied to UTC | 13:48 |
| critr | utc is tied to the prime meridian i think, which should run through london, which was once considered the "center of the world". | 13:53 |
| rrq | I see UTC is an option for "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" in teh installed system, but yes the installe dialogs doesn't seem to offer that option | 13:54 |
| fsmithred | You get UTC if you skip the locale settings | 13:55 |
| fsmithred | and you tell it that the hardware clock uses UTC | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | If you can't choose the right time zone, go back to the locale setup and choose a country that uses the language you want in the time zone you want. | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | If that won't work, then fix it after the install as rrq suggested. | 13:56 |
| critr | and make sure the hardware time actually is set to utc. | 13:57 |
| rrq | hmm the "configure the clock" dialog includes the UTC option | 13:58 |
| rrq | (expert mode installation) | 13:59 |
| rrq | ted-ious: ^^ | 13:59 |
| rrq | i.e. not via NTP since that uses location, and there is no location timezone for UTC (I guess) | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | UTC=Grennwich Mean Time is in UK | 14:02 |
| fsmithred | with regular install it only shows you time zones for the locale you selected | 14:03 |
| ted-ious | rrq: I've tried hundreds of different combinations with these options including expert mode. | 14:03 |
| rrq | next time, select "configure the clock", then "no" for NTO, and there it is. | 14:08 |
| rrq | NTO = NTP | 14:08 |
| rrq | fsmithred: GMT has daylight saving, and is 1 hour off UTC right now | 14:09 |
| rrq | I think it's labelled BST at least during summer (British Standard Time) | 14:10 |
| rrq | or British Summer Time perhaps? | 14:11 |
| fsmithred | I will be afk for next few hours. | 14:16 |
| leitz | critr, is there a hardware compatiblity list for video cards? I have a Radeon RX580. | 14:16 |
| critr | leitz: daedalus supports my rx6500 xt. the rx580 is a few years older, so should be supported by installing firmware-amd-graphics. | 14:24 |
| leitz | critr, dDedalus is after Chimera? I don't see Daedalus on the home page. | 14:25 |
| gnarface | leitz: yes, daedalus is after chimaera and corresponds to the current debian stable, it's just not officially released here yet because of various outstanding installer issues | 15:07 |
| gnarface | ted-ious: i was certain there was a UTC option in the installer, at least in expert mode | 15:08 |
| leitz | gnarface, rough estimate of when Daedalus will be released? Is it in RC status? I'm not in a rush. | 15:11 |
| gnarface | leitz: probably pretty soon | 15:14 |
| gnarface | it seems mostly done | 15:14 |
| gnarface | by all accounts | 15:14 |
| leitz | gnarface, cool. I'll wait until it's out, and then do the upgrades. Only one node has anything I intend to save, the others are rebuildable. | 15:15 |
| ted-ious | gnarface: It's there in some installers but not in others. | 15:18 |
| ted-ious | I really need to script this debootstrap istallation method. | 15:29 |
| ted-ious | And I'm spoiled for ssd's now. | 15:29 |
| ted-ious | Doing a second install on a rusty disk is taking hours. | 15:29 |
| ted-ious | I bet I could kill it and start over on ssd and be done faster. | 15:30 |
| gnarface | the devuan installers should support preseeding the same way as the debian ones | 15:30 |
| djph | hours on spinning rust? that sounds ... not right | 15:30 |
| ted-ious | It looks like it's going to take half an hour just for dpkg-reconfigure locales. | 15:31 |
| nemo | interesting... I just noticed the ubuntu systemd VMs take significantly longer to reboot than the devuan VMs. odd. | 16:16 |
| nemo | I'd blame atlassian startup, although I really should get ssh well before that fires up | 16:17 |
| nemo | maybe it kills my ssh before shutting down atlassian, and it's the shutdown that is slow. | 16:17 |
| nemo | I supppose I should profile it sometime ☺ | 16:17 |
| ted-ious | Which grub packages need to be installed for a non-efi vm? | 16:30 |
| ted-ious | Maybe just apt install grub isn't enough. | 17:01 |
| ted-ious | I ran grub-install and grub-mkconfig successfully but I get a blank grub prompt and no boot entries. | 17:01 |
| ted-ious | I don't have a /boot/grub/grubenv file. | 17:10 |
| ted-ious | Did devuan stop supporting non-efi installs? | 17:11 |
| buZz | i run daedalus and have that file | 17:19 |
| ted-ious | This installation process is turning out to be more trouble than it's worth. | 17:25 |
| buZz | i have no clue what you're doing :) | 17:25 |
| ted-ious | If I had more system resources available I could have built a new gentoo system from scratch in half the time. | 17:25 |
| ted-ious | I'm trying to create a chimaera vm on an ext4 partition without a journal. | 17:26 |
| buZz | ext4 without a journal? :D | 17:26 |
| ted-ious | All I need is one option to mkfs during the install. | 17:26 |
| ted-ious | But since the installer can't handle that I have to jump through hours of hoops. | 17:27 |
| buZz | so you're debootstrapping? | 17:27 |
| ted-ious | Yes running ext4 with a journal on top of another journalling filesystem is really bad for ssd's. | 17:27 |
| ted-ious | Write amplification from each level of journaling goes thru the roof. | 17:27 |
| ted-ious | Yes I debootstrapped but plenty of things don't work as easily as I expected. | 17:28 |
| buZz | easy is the enemy of knowledge | 17:29 |
| ted-ious | Knowledge does not come from needless failure nor from failure without later success. | 17:35 |
| ted-ious | If doing everything the hard way was better we wouldn't have shell scripts or high level programming languages. | 17:36 |
| ted-ious | I just think debian is a crusty old system and devuan has to work around its many faults. | 17:37 |
| ted-ious | I'm going to throw away the system and do it the silly way since at least I know it will work. | 17:38 |
| ted-ious | Yeah this is unusable. | 17:44 |
| ted-ious | grub can't even accept the kernel and initrd commands typed in by hand. | 17:44 |
| ted-ious | I've never seen a system broken like this. | 17:45 |
| buZz | alright | 17:53 |
| ted-ious | Ok now I think I should be ready to dist-upgrade. | 18:59 |
| gnarface | ted-ious: it shouldn't take that long to generate locales unless you chose to generate all of them | 23:57 |
| gnarface | to be honest a lot of the problems you're seeing that nobody else has seen have hints of being self-inflicted | 23:57 |
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