| sfox | I upgraded to Devuan 5 and now claws-mail is gtk3 | 00:44 |
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| sfox | Is there a way to get it back to gtk2? | 00:44 |
| * debdog just installed claws inside his devuan 5 VM – this looks awful | 00:50 | |
| debdog | I hope someone comes up with a solution | 00:51 |
| debdog | man page has this: $HOME/.claws-mail/gtkrc-2.0 | 00:53 |
| debdog | Optional GTK settings to be load on startup. | 00:53 |
| sfox | debdog, it does look awful | 01:05 |
| sfox | sorry, i lost connection as I rebooted did i miss anything? | 01:06 |
| debdog | from the top of my head either downgrading+pinning sfox or compile it with gtk2 | 01:06 |
| debdog | no, you missed nothing | 01:06 |
| sfox | also network manager keeps changing resolv.conf to localhost which breaks all dns | 01:06 |
| sfox | debdog, so I'd have to recompile the package from source? | 01:07 |
| sfox | didn't older versions of debian use to have two versions to install? the gtk2 and gtk3 version? | 01:07 |
| debdog | hmm, IDK | 01:07 |
| beta_caret | hi | 01:08 |
| sfox | I emailed the maintainer of the package about the issue | 01:09 |
| sfox | hopefully they'll be helpful | 01:09 |
| beta_caret | how is everyone? | 01:10 |
| debdog | a quick glance at chimaera's claws packages does not indicate gtk2 vs gtk3 option. | 01:10 |
| debdog | sfox: good idea, please keep me (and prolly others in here) informed! | 01:11 |
| debdog | beta_caret: ahoy! | 01:11 |
| beta_caret | I'm really pleased with this system, I was using Fedora for a few years | 01:12 |
| sfox | nevermind the networkmanager issue. it looks like the new version of cmst and connman that shops with devuan 5 supports wireguard now | 01:15 |
| sfox | so i'll just switch back to using that | 01:15 |
| sfox | debdog, will do | 01:16 |
| sfox | my friend runs the same os as me and we are upgrading so one of us will probably build clawsmail from source | 01:17 |
| sfox | i'll send you a deb when we do | 01:17 |
| debdog | I was just thinking whether it would be a good idea to have such a package in "back"ports, hrrhrr, sfox | 01:18 |
| beta_caret | anyone have a moment to help me with a apt issue? | 01:19 |
| debdog | beta_caret: just ask! (hace in mind that it's weekend and it's rather quiet in here) | 01:20 |
| debdog | *have | 01:21 |
| beta_caret | when I try to install 'libdbus-1-dev | 01:23 |
| beta_caret | I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 01:23 |
| beta_caret | libdbus-1-dev : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (= 1.14.6-1devuan1) but 1.14.8-1~deb12u1devuan1 is to be installed | 01:23 |
| debdog | beta_caret: is this testing/Excalibur? | 01:29 |
| beta_caret | this should be daedalus | 01:32 |
| debdog | beta_caret: are backports involved? | 01:33 |
| beta_caret | this started as a chimaera install, but I setup daedalus backport | 01:36 |
| beta_caret | I believe I did an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade | 01:36 |
| beta_caret | after removing backport | 01:36 |
| debdog | sorry, beta_caret, that's above my paygrade. just stick around someone will know what to do | 01:40 |
| sfox | does devuan have it's own backports? I haven't gotten a response yet, but i feel like debian would frown upon bringing back gtk2 programs | 01:44 |
| debdog | beta_caret: people prolly want to see your sources list here, ideally paste it to https://paste.debian.net/ | 01:44 |
| DelTomix | beta_caret: its a bit confusing what you are saying about the backport and dist upgrade - you tried to use chimaera-backports before you dist-upgraded ? or you tried to use daedalus-backport before you dist-upgraded? you can confirm the dist-upgrade worked with cat /etc/os-release |grep "VERSION" also as debdog suggested might be worth putting a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list into pastebin to | 01:47 |
| DelTomix | check your sources are correct | 01:47 |
| DelTomix | sfox yes it does but its for newer versions of things, it sounds like you are looking for an older version of something | 01:51 |
| beta_caret | sources.list https://paste.debian.net/1290135 | 01:51 |
| beta_caret | this is/was a chimaera install, then I followed a forum post to use chimaera-backport (was daedalus testing at the time) | 01:53 |
| nethead23 | Hello, i am doing my first Devuan installation and have a problem with the package dependcies of courier-imap. Its tied to exim which i want to remove because i will be using the courier mail server. Now everytime i install courier-imap it will reinstall exim?! | 01:53 |
| DelTomix | beta_caret: that sources.list looks correct - might just run a final apt update && apt upgrade to make sure everything is up to date. double check output of cat /etc/os-release to make sure VERSION_CODENAME" says "daedalus" | 01:58 |
| rrq | nethead23: the hands-on might require that you mention both "courier-mta" and "exim-" (note the "-") on the command line. | 01:59 |
| nethead23 | rrq: thx, "apt-get install courier-mta courier-imap" did it. No reinstall of exim... | 02:03 |
| DelTomix | beta_caret: from what I can tell - versions 1.14.8-1 of libdbus seem to be available in the proposed-updates repository - which is not in your posted sources.list, maybe the package from testing got one ahead of the other. You can try adding the proposed updates to your sources.list, then do apt update && apt upgrade, and see if that clears it? | 02:10 |
| DelTomix | beta_caret: The sources to add for proposed-updates is: deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan daedalus-proposed-updates main contrib non-free ...and... deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan daedalus-proposed-updates main contrib non-free | 02:13 |
| beta_caret | DelTomix, you're a madman, that did the trick! what do I owe you? lol | 02:20 |
| DelTomix | hey very happy it helped!! | 02:20 |
| DelTomix | you owe me nothing :) | 02:21 |
| Xenguy | A pint at the pub | 02:21 |
| DelTomix | ..well could probably twist my arm :D | 02:23 |
| beta_caret | I tried to tip someone on ko-fi last week and Paypal wasn't having it, something about "international regulations" | 02:26 |
| acuvic | Hi I'm new to IRC but have used Devuan for a few years but today had a problem. Am I in the right place to get help? | 02:37 |
| fluffywolf | yep! but people might not be around, so you may have to stick around before someone who knows how to help with your problem sees it. | 02:37 |
| onefang | Though actually telling us what your problem is will help us help you. | 02:41 |
| acuvic | Thanks fluffywolf, I'll state my problem: I've been using Devuan on a notebook very sucessfully for two years. But today when trying to log on, I get "failed to execute login command" after entering username and password. How would I go about resolving this please? | 02:42 |
| fluffywolf | that doesn't sound good... did you recently update/remove software, or did it just happen? | 02:43 |
| fluffywolf | I'd switch to a terminal (ctrl-alt-f1), log in as root, and check dmesg for hard drive errors or such. | 02:43 |
| debdog | ...and free disk space | 02:44 |
| rwp | Though I hate to suggest rebooting as a way to solve problems perhaps Control-Alt-F1 and then Control-Alt-Del to reboot. | 02:45 |
| acuvic | I have regularly used the sudo update/upgrade with no problems.Log in with root ok. How to check DMESG? | 02:45 |
| brocashelm | do you know which display manager you are using? i think i have had a minor bug like that with lxdm | 02:45 |
| fluffywolf | I would assume logging in means they just booted... | 02:45 |
| acuvic | Yes when using root as user it logs in fine , but cannot use my normal usernamr | 02:46 |
| acuvic | XFCE display manager | 02:47 |
| brocashelm | are you able to use startx as a regular user? | 02:47 |
| brocashelm | if you use tty1 and sign in, then type startx | 02:47 |
| brocashelm | and if so, the problem lies in your dm | 02:48 |
| acuvic | screen goes straight to login box. how to use cli to log in please? | 02:48 |
| brocashelm | acuvic: just put in your username and password (regular user) | 02:48 |
| brocashelm | once you're logged in, issue the startx command | 02:48 |
| brocashelm | that should generally work | 02:48 |
| brocashelm | or else you might have a display server (xorg) issue | 02:49 |
| brocashelm | or seatd is conflicting with permissions | 02:49 |
| acuvic | Thats it, I getb the error when trying to use my usual username and password "failed to execute login command" | 02:49 |
| fluffywolf | ctrl-alt-f1, as I said. | 02:49 |
| Juest | what happens if you try login <usual user> in a root shell? | 02:51 |
| acuvic | ctrl-alt-f1 does not change anything on the login page. Cannot get to a root shell (or don't know how to!) | 02:52 |
| Juest | press control+alt+f2 or other F numbers | 02:52 |
| rwp | If ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing try the other fx numbers for other vt consoles. | 02:52 |
| acuvic | Tried ctrl-alt f1 to f12 with no response? | 02:53 |
| rwp | Sounds like the system is completely locked up. It might take a power cycle then. | 02:54 |
| acuvic | But logging in root with password gets me into the devuan page | 02:54 |
| rwp | Hmm... Conflicting information. Not sure what is happening then. | 02:55 |
| acuvic | Tried switching off totally and on again and also several restarts with same result | 02:55 |
| rwp | What exactly do you mean when you say "devuan page"? Is this a web page? | 02:55 |
| acuvic | Sorry I meant the desktop GUI with usual menus at the bottom and info bar at the top (panel?) | 02:57 |
| fluffywolf | is this a laptop that makes you press fn or such to enter f keys? | 02:58 |
| rwp | Okay. If you log in as root then can you look "less /var/log/auth.log" to browse the file and look for clues there? Perhaps some error there will be apparent. | 02:58 |
| debdog | and check for free disk space! (since usually even if the disk is (almost) full, there's still some reserved for root) | 02:59 |
| acuvic | OK switching back on to log in as root | 03:00 |
| Juest | once there you can open the terminal and attempt to issue sudo -i <your username> | 03:01 |
| acuvic | ok now having trouble getting the login page. yes maybe disk full or other hardware problem. will try a live usb to check the system . thanks fo now .will log out to find a live stick | 03:02 |
| acuvic | Thanks for all your help. will get back if problem not resolved | 03:03 |
| rwp | Good luck! There are an infinite number of ways for things to fail but only one way for things to work correctly. Don't be shy about coming back for help. | 03:05 |
| sfox | debdog, i'm going to build my own version. do you want a copy? | 04:29 |
| debdog | well, if you're creating a .deb I'd appreciate it! sfox | 04:32 |
| debdog | I hope this is a relatively easy task given the ammount of claws related packages there are | 04:33 |
| sfox | if your upgrading to devuan 5 you'll need to rebuild your cpan modules | 04:38 |
| debdog | my what? hehe, no clue what you're talking about. kernel modules? | 04:43 |
| sfox | it's different source code branch | 05:10 |
| sfox | https://www.claws-mail.org/releases.php | 05:10 |
| sfox | debdog, ^ | 05:10 |
| sfox | The 4.x.x releases are built with GTK+ 3, the 3.x.x releases are built with GTK+ 2. | 05:10 |
| sfox | I'm not sure what to do, this isn't just a matter of changing --configure params | 05:10 |
| sfox | it's a different source release branch | 05:10 |
| debdog | this prolly is an advantage | 05:14 |
| debdog | well, I have no clue regarding creating packages. I just build and install software into /usr/local. with totally different version numbering there is no reason for conflict, is there? | 05:17 |
| sfox | debdog, i compiled it with all the good features and plugins | 05:53 |
| sfox | i'm compressing a tarball now | 05:53 |
| sfox | claws-mail-3.19.1.tar: 7.889:1, 12.68% ratio, 87.32% saved, 322949120 in, 40938874 out. | 05:53 |
| sfox | c23e226684f5abef90b67fcbb966477c6172451aa122f4eae47b00c791a53d39 claws-mail-3.19.1.tar.lz | 05:55 |
| sfox | debdog, https://0x0.st/H93b.tar.lz | 05:55 |
| micdud | why could they not implement a proper portable api for client side decorations so you could just switch back to regular menus | 06:00 |
| systemdlete | Problem installing daedalus... all of a sudden. I was able to run debootstrap with no problems earlier today and yesterday. But for the past couple of hours, running the same script, debootstrap is (consistently) failing at extracting base-files. Anyone have an idea? | 06:29 |
| micdud | what error ? i had to link daedalus to ceres | 06:36 |
| systemdlete | has base-files been updated today sometime? | 06:48 |
| micdud | i just tried , went trough normally | 06:49 |
| systemdlete | micdud, did you first clear the apt cache? I mean, are you downloading fresh deb files, or re-using the same ones from previous run? | 06:51 |
| micdud | i was under ipmression that debootstrap did not uses the same channels as apt, so i could never use apt-cacher for it because of that | 06:52 |
| micdud | might be off , have not looked in to that issue in a while | 06:52 |
| systemdlete | and it's the weekend, so getting help could be tough... | 06:53 |
| micdud | but i never really have to bootstrap too much , i just keep the original bootstrap as a base and just copy it arround when needed | 06:54 |
| systemdlete | mea culpa? Looks like debootstrap doesn't want to overwrite a target it has already debootstrapped. Makes enough sense. So maybe my oops. | 07:23 |
| systemdlete | fixing that now... | 07:23 |
| systemdlete | that was it. so... nvm. Enjoy your weekend. | 07:27 |
| nethead23 | Hello, whats the best way to install docker on Devuan 5? | 09:36 |
| simon_adebisi | apt-get install docker? | 09:45 |
| onefang | "docker" is "This is a transitional package for system tray docking application. It can safely be removed." It installs wmdocker, which may not be the docker you want. | 09:49 |
| onefang | The package docker.io might be the one you want. | 09:50 |
| simon_adebisi | Well, there is official documentation for https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/debian/ | 10:17 |
| onefang | "best" depends on your needs. "apt install docker.io" would be the easiest. Though searching with synaptic then installing might be a tad easier if you prefer GUIs. | 10:19 |
| nethead23 | thx, following instructions for installing from the docker repo does not work so i ended up with "apt-get install docker.io docker-compose" but there are still problems like a docker image i just installed under Debian 11 doesnt install cleanly. | 11:12 |
| nethead23 | Thats why i had been asking. | 11:13 |
| nethead23 | I am only using shell, apt-get and dpkg btw. | 11:14 |
| onefang | I don't actually use docker, but there are others here that do. You'll just have to wait around until they can answer. | 11:57 |
| nethead23 | onefang: i used docker only one time before and now because there are no instructions how to do a normal install of AzureCast. | 14:10 |
| nethead23 | Maybe checkout our streaming radio here, URL is not final yet: http://x-ile.cc:9110/various.mp3 or web player here http://x-ile.cc:90/public/coco-fm | 14:20 |
| otism | Hello dev1-friends, as being new to devuan I could need some help to open questions :o) | 18:59 |
| gnarface | just ask your questions and stay connected | 19:00 |
| gnarface | sometimes responses can be slow | 19:00 |
| otism | good, so first: I came from Win10 to Linux Mint this year until I saw that even the good old Linux community was broken by systemd (see Linux Mint), so I found dev1 as best alternative. So after some preparations I finally installed it with XFCE, which I assumed to be best. Just several problems.. I can't bring bluetooth to work, some other initial problems with browsers and data system (no Tor browser in /usr/bin/ saveable even with root- sry, | 19:10 |
| otism | I'm new to Linux ^^) - so, to come to the perhaps first central question: devuan also provides cinnamon ;) IS this here mostly systemd-free?? | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | systemd cannot be installed in devuan. Here's a list of what can't be installed. https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | xfce is the default desktop, but cinnamon, mate, lxde, lxqt, kde and gnome are available. | 19:18 |
| otism | ah thx, central question is: is cinnamon data safety friendly? in general or special adjusted for devuan? | 19:21 |
| gnarface | nothing is gonna report your filesystem searches to amazon.com if that's what you're asking, but that's a pretty vague statement in general | 19:23 |
| gnarface | they rebuilt cinnamon to not require systemd. probably very little else has changed with it. | 19:24 |
| otism | in case of using systemd components or such? a web or forum link would help, too. ah ok, that might help me for the further steps, thank you | 19:25 |
| gnarface | basically every effort has been made to retain expected debian behaviors except where changes were necessary to remove systemd | 19:28 |
| gnarface | the banned package list above is the stuff that couldn't be changed enough to work | 19:28 |
| gnarface | relevant links are all in the channel topic | 19:31 |
| otism | XFCE I'm trusting more and is slim, just cinnamon brings some more help, hopefully compatibility and comfort - cough ^^. | 19:31 |
| DelTomix | for tor browser there is a "torbrowser-launcher" package which might help - I never tried it - My own preference is rather to just download the portable version and run it out of a bin in my home directory - its pretty good at updating itself and such. If you also want to run a bridge - I find its best to use their own repo for bookworm | 19:32 |
| otism | ah, another central question: I don't know how to install the packages from https://www.devuan.org/os/packages, still I don't even know how to use github - can't even download while I often came to there past years. frustrating x) | 19:35 |
| gnarface | well that one is easy to answer | 19:35 |
| gnarface | you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file then run "apt-get update" | 19:36 |
| DelTomix | those packages you can install in your terminal via apt like: sudo apt install [packagename] | 19:36 |
| gnarface | then you are ready to install packages with "apt-get install [package]" | 19:36 |
| DelTomix | ^^ what gnarface said :) | 19:36 |
| otism | aah great :D | 19:36 |
| gnarface | that part shouldn't be fundamentally different from Mint, it should work exactly the same except the hostnames in /etc/apt/sources.list will be different | 19:36 |
| otism | A word to Mint: I was shocked after some time how awful it can be: in their "app store" are on first recommendations almost just windows programs (flat packs) like slack, steam and such data monsters -.- No more for me. | 19:40 |
| otism | everybodys choice, but I came to Mint by recommendation of a private foss page, looking back it was a bad one. even recommended calyxOS is for android sub-optimal, so in next days I turn to IodéOS, I'm curious! | 19:43 |
| APic | lulz | 19:43 |
| * APic likes Devuan | 19:43 | |
| APic | srsly | 19:43 |
| otism | me too, still it's bit hard to switch. and impossible for older generation, bad | 19:46 |
| otism | another question: can I install cinnamon after my installation of dev1 or do I have to or should I install again? | 19:47 |
| gnarface | absolutely nothing requires a fresh install to change | 19:48 |
| gnarface | needing reinstalling just to change base components is a Windows limitation | 19:48 |
| otism | :) | 19:49 |
| otism | sudo apt install cinnamon_5.6.8-1_amd64.deb ---> correct? ;) | 19:51 |
| gnarface | no i think it's just "sudo apt install cinnamon" | 19:51 |
| gnarface | you don't include the whole deb file name in the apt command | 19:51 |
| gnarface | but Mint and Debian both do that the same way | 19:52 |
| otism | ah ok, and in case of wanting to install an older version? | 19:52 |
| otism | cinnamon=4.8.6-2+deb11u1 ? | 19:53 |
| gnarface | the syntax for that is also the same as debian yes | 19:53 |
| gnarface | obviously it has to be a version still in the repos listed in your sources.list to work though | 19:54 |
| DelTomix | yes - to see what versions are available you can use 'apt-cache policy cinnamon' | 19:54 |
| otism | never used debian ;) cool. I'm still learning.. ^^ | 19:55 |
| gnarface | syntax is [package]=[version] or [package]/[release] | 19:55 |
| gnarface | but in a typical situation you should not do this | 19:56 |
| gnarface | it's meant as an emergency workaround for something gone badly wrong | 19:56 |
| otism | and should I deinstall XFCE and if preferred not: where to choose the Desktop Environment for dev1-start? | 19:57 |
| gnarface | this should all work the same as with Mint too, as far as i know | 19:57 |
| gnarface | you said you were using slim? | 19:57 |
| gnarface | slim the graphical login? | 19:58 |
| gnarface | i think slim should let you choose window manager | 19:58 |
| otism | nope, never heard of slim | 19:58 |
| rwp | slim is newly favored over lightdm, I am still using lightdm mostly | 19:58 |
| rwp | slim and lightdm and gdm and gdm3 are rewrites of xdm the X Display Manager, aka a login screen. | 19:59 |
| gnarface | so, in lieu of having a menu that lets you pick window managers, you'd use the update-alternatives tool to change the system default for "x-window-manager" | 19:59 |
| gnarface | or if you're using the "startx" command you can just manually call any window manager from your ~/.xinitrc | 20:00 |
| gnarface | but barring any other interventions, the default will be whatever is pointed to x-window-manager by the alternatives system | 20:01 |
| gnarface | (it's worth learning how to do this but you can probably get the same effect from just uninstalling XFCE and rebooting) | 20:01 |
| otism | good, thank you all until now, I'll try that hints | 20:03 |
| rwp | You mentioned flatpacks. Most of us running Devuan, Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Trisquel, stick to the packaged programs and just don't use flatpacks, appimages, snaps. But technically they are available for those that want them. | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | sorry I wandered off. You can choose cinnamon in the installer and don't have to install xfce. | 20:09 |
| otism | flatpacks might have some opportunities (like let the system unchanged? while being large with their integrated dependancies), right? i can't overview all that, yet ^^ | 20:12 |
| rwp | There are advantages for containerized packaging such as appimage, flatpacks, snaps. But it's a new influence and still coming of age. | 20:16 |
| gnarface | well, yes, they take up more space but also usually there's a good reason those particular versions of things aren't in the repos already, and if you subject yourself to installing them you discover the hidden reasons the hard way | 20:17 |
| simon_adebisi | @otism I have cinnamon and use it daily, no problem | 20:17 |
| DelTomix | If there is no native package alternative, if its not available in backports, and if the upstream doesn't know the difference between ubuntu and debian, OR if I don't fully trust a package to ever have root or systemwide install, Appimages or portable releases are good. But its a last resort | 20:17 |
| simon_adebisi | If you have rgb gear you can easily configure it using openrgb | 20:17 |
| gnarface | after you've been doing this a while you start to learn what type of behaviors tend to cause a high volume of self-inflicted harm, and using stuff from out-of-repo is one of those things | 20:17 |
| otism | ok uhm, while updating apt-get I got a (german) message about apt-secure(8), that I have to explicitly say yes to this - how? ^^ | 20:25 |
| otism | for using this depot.. | 20:27 |
| gnarface | uh, rings a bell but i'd need to see the actual error | 20:28 |
| otism | E: Für das Depot »http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease« wurde der »Label«-Wert von »Devuan Security« in »Devuan-Security« geändert. | 20:29 |
| otism | N: Für das Depot »http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease« wurde der »Suite«-Wert von »testing-security« in »stable-security« geändert. | 20:29 |
| otism | N: Sie müssen dies explizit bestätigen, bevor Aktualisierungen von diesem Depot angewendet werden können. Lesen Sie die apt-secure(8)-Handbuchseite, wenn Sie weitere Informationen benötigen. | 20:29 |
| otism | sry for german, you might understand by context | 20:30 |
| gnarface | ah, suite changed from testing to stable | 20:31 |
| gnarface | you must have started this install before daedalus was marked stable | 20:31 |
| gnarface | you just have to confirm that you allow this once | 20:31 |
| gnarface | it's to keep you from accidentally mixing releases | 20:33 |
| rwp | It's one of those new "features" which we never had before but apparently someone wanted. I find it "mildlyinfuriating" and mostly try to ignore it. | 20:34 |
| otism | there's no question y/n.. and I used a download of dev1 of yesterday | 20:34 |
| rwp | Run "apt-get update" again so that it knows you really mean it. | 20:34 |
| gnarface | don't you have to run an apt-secure command or something? | 20:34 |
| gnarface | i haven't had to deal with this for a while | 20:34 |
| rwp | Strictly speaking "apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-change update" is the pedantic way. | 20:35 |
| otism | might be I should do this? but I can't find the manual where it could be find | 20:35 |
| gnarface | ah, yea that was it. otism, do what rwp says | 20:36 |
| gnarface | otism: oh, the man page was apt-secure(8), to get that up you'd run: man 8 apt-secure | 20:36 |
| gnarface | when you're told to consult a man page and it's followed by a section number in parenthesis, you specify the section number as the second parameter to man | 20:37 |
| gnarface | although here i only have that one section for the apt-secure man page | 20:38 |
| gnarface | so "man apt-secure" should still work if you have it installed i think... | 20:38 |
| gnarface | make sure you have the manpages package | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | if you use 'apt update'instead of 'apt-get update' you should get the yes/no question. | 20:39 |
| rwp | I just looked at the apt-secure man page and I don't see any relevant documentation about --allow-releaseinfo-change though. :-( | 20:39 |
| otism | with sudo before rwp's command worked, ty! updating again now told no more errors :) | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | secret options | 20:40 |
| otism | grubing uhm grabing some food... ;) | 20:40 |
| rwp | otism, The difference between "apt-get" and "apt" is that old-timers prefer apt-get because we know it and apt is a recent rewrite that does things similarly but slightly differently. | 20:40 |
| DelTomix | --allow-releaseinfo-change is documented in apt-get manpage | 20:40 |
| rwp | DelTomix, Right. But then that man page refers to apt-secure, which does not mention anything about it at all. | 20:41 |
| DelTomix | oh I see - yes sorry | 20:41 |
| rwp | And the "apt" man page also says nothing about it either. | 20:41 |
| rwp | Meanwhile... This was a feature which did not exist in Debian 8 Stretch (therefore seems superfluous), and appeared in one of the later releases. It's new, in the geological record of time. | 20:42 |
| gnarface | the linux man pages are a bit stale | 20:42 |
| rwp | Also the N: note message refers to apt-secure man page too. So that leads me to believe it should be documented in the apt-secure(8) man page. Now if only it _was_ documented there then it would be good! | 20:44 |
| rwp | Apparently one is expected to recognize the message "You must explicitly confirm this before updates from this depot can be applied." and then know to run "apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-change update" to confirm it. | 20:45 |
| rwp | In my case since I script everything I simply added that option to my script run usage always. Basically returning to the behavior we had before it was added. (shrug) | 20:47 |
| rwp | I have been contemplating adding it to /etc/apt/apt.conf globally. Because I just can't see the usefulness of it. Anyway... bbiab | 20:48 |
| otism | hey, another error: "Something or somebody made /var/lib/tor disappear. | 21:08 |
| otism | Creating one for you again." 2 times - following installing torbrowser-launcher didn't work | 21:08 |
| otism | hop I don't use your time too much :3 | 21:09 |
| otism | *hope | 21:09 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what's causing that. did you use the tor package from the devuan repos? | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | I don't have a /var/lib/tor | 21:13 |
| otism | yes by the console | 21:13 |
| DelTomix | was that from installing package 'torbrowser-launcher' ? | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | oh, I don't have tor installed. I have tor-browser, but it's just unpacked in my home. | 21:14 |
| otism | firstly I installed "tor", after that what u mentioned, DelTomix | 21:16 |
| otism | the folder tor is owned by "debian-tor", perhaps that helps? | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | dunno. I just grab the tarball directly from the tor project and unpack it in my home. There's a script you run that makes a .desktop file to start it wherever you unpacked it. | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | and I use that to put an icon in my desktop panel. | 21:20 |
| DelTomix | oh - ok I think you might have installed the bridge - thats not necessary if you JUST want tor-browser | 21:21 |
| otism | I tried that before, fsmithred, just I became no app and where to lay down that folder? but true it's a possibility. | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | I unpacked it in ~/.local/share/ | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | so it's all inside my home. I don't need to share it with any other users. | 21:24 |
| DelTomix | so unless you want a bridge - 'tor' is not what you want to install, you can 'apt purge tor' to cancel that if this is what happened (it wouldn't harm anything) | 21:24 |
| DelTomix | I do same as fsmithred | 21:24 |
| otism | I already used: apt remove tor -- it's same? | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | From the package description for tor: "For best | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | protection when web surfing, the Tor Project recommends that you use | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | the Tor Browser Bundle, a standalone tarball that includes static | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | builds of Tor, Torbutton, and a modified Firefox that is patched to fix | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | a variety of privacy bugs." | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | yes, remove is good enough. | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | There might still be a config file hanging around, but it won't do anything. | 21:26 |
| otism | ok I'll try this :) hating using a unprepared firefox.. | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | noscript is still available in firefox | 21:27 |
| otism | ff needs a lot work, hadn't time for yet. Working on dev1 since yesterday ^^. | 21:30 |
| nils_ | ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/devuan-offtopic | 21:51 |
| joerg | nils_: hmm? | 21:56 |
| AzumaHazuki | https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/discussions/2466 <3 | 21:57 |
| AzumaHazuki | Old-school Xfce lives on in LXQt | 21:57 |
| nils_ | ja, sorry. den link kennt ihr bestimmt schon, oder? | 22:00 |
| nils_ | ich wechsel gerade mit meinem laptop von debian zu devuan. nach der installation geht noch nicht mal firefox oder auch librewolf. habt Ihr dazu eine Idee? | 22:02 |
| otism | auch mit XFCE? steige auch grad um, Firefox ging aber, ist halt unangepasst erstmal unsicher. ich versuch grad https://www.torproject.org/de/download/ zum Laufen zu bringen, komme aber nicht weiter | 22:09 |
| otism | aber von win10 auf Linux Mint auf devuan @nils_ | 22:10 |
| nils_ | xfce müsste ich noch mal testen. hab aktuell gnome... | 22:13 |
| nils_ | du machst ja ganz schön sprünge mit dem betriebssystemen bei dir windows zu devuan !!! | 22:14 |
| otism | ziemlich minimalistisch, ich komm nicht klar ^^. ich werd wohl wieder das Mint-bekannte Cinnamon nutzen | 22:14 |
| otism | ja, ich will von den GAFAM möglichst ganz weg | 22:15 |
| otism | ist nicht mehr feierlich, zumal mein Windows letztens komplett abgeschmiert ist - nachdem ich nach ner Weile wieder die Datenschutzeinstellungen komplett auf "sicher" gestellt hab - plus ein Update und es ließ sich nach Neustart nicht mehr starten....xD Erster Bluescreen (mit Menü, deren Optionen alle funkltionslos blieben) nach Jahren | 22:17 |
| otism | wenn du debian kennst: wo könnte ich das unzip vom orbrowser ablegen, um dann die start-tor-browser.desktop vom Desktop zu starten? ich krieg nur Zugriffsfehler :( Eben gings mal kurz, seltsam | 22:20 |
| otism | wenn ichs im Downloadordner lasse gehts erstmal | 22:26 |
| nils_ | torbrowser---sorry, keine ahnung. nutze ich nicht. | 22:35 |
| debdog | nils_: can you elaborate on how firefox exactly fails? | 22:37 |
| golinux | In English | 22:41 |
| debdog | otism: acording to FSH /opt would be the proper location for zipped software bundles. that is for system wide use, of course. in case just one user needs that software anywhere inside said user's $HOME should be fine, too | 22:45 |
| nils_ | ... firefox starting from gui just shows for a while the "clock" and then nothing happens. in terminal there ist just nothing after the "firefox"command. in the home folder there is unter" .mozilla" not a user profile | 22:46 |
| debdog | does "whereis firefox" return anything? | 22:49 |
| DelTomix | Maybe I misunderstand but - If this is regarding tor browser - un-tarring it into a home directory like ~/.local/share/ should work fine - but you have to make a launcher pointing to the start-tor-browser.desktop . Using just a 'firefox' command won't work. If you have a permissions issue that should be easy to fix | 22:50 |
| nils_ | yes, it does: /usr/bin/firefox | 22:51 |
| debdog | ok, so it is installed, at least. but then just "firefox" should™ work, at least it does here. | 22:54 |
| nils_ | ... its not working with the terminal command. can i check elsewhere? | 22:55 |
| fsmithred | maybe it needs to be reinstalled. | 22:55 |
| nils_ | ok, i can try that. | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | do other commands in /usr/bin/ work from command line? | 22:56 |
| debdog | nils_: maybe ff is already running somewhere? try "ps -A | grep firefox" | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | maybe /usr/bin/mousepad or /usr/bin/thunar | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ps to see if it's running | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | although I get a popup warning if I try to start firefox when it's already running | 22:58 |
| debdog | right | 22:58 |
| otism | thanks debdog | 22:59 |
| debdog | otism: https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html to get you started what each directory is supposed for | 23:00 |
| nils_ | it says: 5693 tty7 00:00:00 firefox-esr (4x) | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | pkill firefox | 23:01 |
| systemdlete | is there a way to generate an ISO that will ONLY boot daedalus to a prompt, and maybe provide some kind of data partition where I can stash some things? | 23:02 |
| systemdlete | I'd like for it to be a writeable partition, if possible. | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | (I can always copy it to a tmpfs or the like, but might be nice if writeable) | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, any live iso that uses live-boot and live-config can do that | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | well, for a writable partition, you need something other than optical media. | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | and set up a persistent volume (partition or loopback file) | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | I see. OK. netinstall does not have any option except rescue mode, but that still takes you through a portion of the install process. | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | thumb drive | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you need to make a live-iso | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | refractasnapshot will do that - it copies the running system and packs it into a bootable iso file | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | can I just dd the live-iso to a partition on the thumb drive--will it still boot? | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but you probably won't be able to make a persistent partition on it. | 23:05 |
| nils_ | OK, after firefox processes killed.its again not working. display problem? | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | actually, I think I can burn a script to the ISO, and use that to create and mount a tmpfs or use another disk | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | you could use refracta2usb to make live usb with persistence, but that's not in ther repo. | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that should work | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | refracta2usb is not in repo? | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | no | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | then... who can really use it? | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | download it from my sourceforge site | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | oh | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | lol | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | that's ok | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | thanks | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | I'll get the link | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | it sounds like it could be useful to devuan and debian admins alike. So why isn't it sort of... mainstream? | 23:08 |
| systemdlete | I mean, is it buggy, or somehow outside of standards? | 23:08 |
| otism | awesome, thx debdog | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/refracta2usb-2.4.3.deb/download | 23:08 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, I think I will try using the live iso and I'll just use a hard disk partition or disk on the target. | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | the code is a mess and it's hard to work on. I coded myself into a corner. | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | but it works. | 23:09 |
| systemdlete | ok. If my live iso approach doesn't work, I'll try your script. | 23:09 |
| systemdlete | thank you fsmithred | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah, read the live-build docs for hook scripts, I think. | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | or I guess you could put something in /etc/rc.local | 23:10 |
| DelTomix | awesome project fsmithred ! I'm (re)writing something similar I've been evolving over the years | 23:13 |
| debdog | nils_: if it's running it must be somewhere. try alt-tab until it shows, maybe. or it's running on another desktop or screen. does gnome have a task manger which might shed some more light on it? | 23:15 |
| systemdlete | does the minimal install iso have debootstrap? | 23:15 |
| systemdlete | (desktop live is overkill and too big... > 1G) | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, yes | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | all the live isos have debootstrap | 23:17 |
| systemdlete | kool | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | if you use i386, you probably want to replace the kernel with the 686-pae | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | minimal-live has the non-pae kernel | 23:18 |
| systemdlete | rufus? | 23:19 |
| systemdlete | dang. windows only | 23:19 |
| systemdlete | (people still use windows in 2023? I wonder what's wrong with them...) | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | people like ventoy | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | yeah, I got a bit suspicious of it after reading some web posts though | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | but I think that just copies and boots the intact iso file, and I don't know if it does persistence | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | I was using another tool similar to ventoy though | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | yeah, it can do persistence. I've tried ventoy and a coupld others | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | couple of | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | thumb drives are ubiquitous today, so I would think someone would add an extension to ISO (like they did early on for rock ridge and other extensions) that would allow for persistent partitions. | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | I know that some have claimed to add a partition after dd'ing isohybrid to usb. | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | I think it only works in some cases. | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | I just use mine. I can have a multi-boot usb with multiple persistent loopback files. | 23:23 |
| DelTomix | couldn't you just partition the USB (or a backing image for that matter) with regular GPT table and EXTfs instead of dealing with ISO issues? | 23:25 |
| systemdlete | DelTomix, what would it boot though? | 23:26 |
| DelTomix | mine does every time :) | 23:26 |
| systemdlete | what would it boot? | 23:26 |
| systemdlete | you would need an OS installed to boot | 23:26 |
| systemdlete | or use something like ventoy | 23:27 |
| DelTomix | well (hope I'm not misunderstanding) you are talking about geting a devuan installation to boot with a writable partition from USB right? or am I confused? | 23:27 |
| systemdlete | I'm talking about a USB doing what a CDROM ISO would do... with a more or less standard-issue devuan ISO image | 23:28 |
| systemdlete | SOMETHING has to be copied to the bootable part of the USB | 23:28 |
| systemdlete | or there will be nothing to boot | 23:28 |
| systemdlete | the ISOs that devuan supplies have such already | 23:29 |
| DelTomix | right of course.. ok "standard-issue ISO" image was what I overlooked. else you could even just netinstall to usb as if it were a hard drive | 23:29 |
| systemdlete | I am not looking to use the USB as a system. I just want to be able to use a boot medium to do installs to actual targets I want to put a running system on | 23:30 |
| systemdlete | I don't want this to become a PROJECT. Just something very simple. | 23:30 |
| systemdlete | (I have enough PROJECTs already) | 23:30 |
| systemdlete | (and I'm just a HOME user for pete's sake!) | 23:31 |
| DelTomix | ah I understand now - yeah | 23:31 |
| systemdlete | DelTomix, forgive me for being just an eensy bit lazy | 23:31 |
| systemdlete | What you are suggesting is worthwhile, if not just for the learning | 23:31 |
| systemdlete | but I've really got my head up my @$$ with other things I am doing. | 23:32 |
| DelTomix | yeah totally get where you are coming from | 23:32 |
| systemdlete | I find every time I need to do something, I spend weeks going down one garden path or another... | 23:32 |
| systemdlete | I don't mind learning new things. But they will have to go on my to-do list for now. | 23:33 |
| systemdlete | ventoy might just be the solution. But the similar tool I used could not correctly run the devuan installer. | 23:33 |
| systemdlete | I was using MultiOS-USB rather than ventoy. | 23:35 |
| systemdlete | it is a current project, so I was not worried about support. But it seems like they have a ways to go to get to where ventoy is at | 23:35 |
| systemdlete | minimal live hangs at acpi bus type drm_connector registered | 23:46 |
| systemdlete | (I didn't choose a specific video mode) | 23:46 |
| systemdlete | (and I did not wait 30 seconds as commanded to me) | 23:47 |
| systemdlete | I'm using the amd64 version of the minimal live | 23:49 |
| systemdlete | odd... sha256sum is taking an eternity | 23:50 |
| systemdlete | the minimal live iso is good--sha256sum checks out | 23:52 |
| systemdlete | I'm running the minimal in a VM. I will try it on hardware next | 23:52 |
| otism | I say good night for now, thank y'all for initial help! cya :] | 23:53 |
| DelTomix | be well otism! | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, qemu or virtualbox? | 23:55 |
| systemdlete | vbox | 23:55 |
| systemdlete | I'm dd'ing the minimal to a USB now, and I'll try booting on a testbox | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | I'm running vboxconfig | 23:57 |
| systemdlete | ? | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | not sure why I have to do that every time I run vbox in chimaera | 23:58 |
| systemdlete | I never do | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | I never did before. | 23:58 |
| systemdlete | huh | 23:58 |
| systemdlete | maybe try uninstalling and reinstalling vbox? | 23:58 |
| systemdlete | sometimes that fixes things | 23:58 |
| systemdlete | sounds like your vbox environment is messed up somehow | 23:59 |
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