| fsmithred | it booted here (daedalus amd64 minimal-live | 00:00 |
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| systemdlete | surprisingly, I've had fairly good luck overall with vbox. But like all large applications and systems, it has its share of shpilkies. I'm dealing with an interminttent crash and a USB bug atm with vbox. | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | maybe it's a trick to get me to upgrade to the new version they are pushing | 00:00 |
| systemdlete | I doubt it. | 00:00 |
| systemdlete | I was using 6.1 until just a few weeks ago. | 00:01 |
| systemdlete | that was before daedalus, but still. No problems under chimaera | 00:01 |
| systemdlete | (some video issues though, none serious) | 00:01 |
| systemdlete | I've found I needed to disable modeset (nomodeset) in my VMs or they would not work correctly in full screen mode. | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, 6.1 here. It might require a reboot to break it. | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | back in a couple minutes. I'm gonna reboot. | 00:03 |
| systemdlete | yeah, it works fine on real hardware, though it hangs for a long time on dhcp, which I would like to disable | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | here's my error message: https://paste.debian.net/1290210/ | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | look in /etc/network/interfaces | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | if it says hotplug, change it to auto or manual or remove the stanza and do something else | 00:11 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, and do what? It's an ISO image. | 00:11 |
| systemdlete | probably need to do something at linux kernel command line in grub | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | if you made it with refractasnapshot there's a config setting to keep network settings | 00:11 |
| systemdlete | when booting | 00:11 |
| systemdlete | I did a dd | 00:11 |
| systemdlete | I've never used refractasnapshot | 00:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, you're using the minimal-live, I forgot | 00:12 |
| systemdlete | and like I was saying to DelTomix above, I just have too much to do right now. | 00:12 |
| systemdlete | what happens if you run /sbin/vboxconfig? | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | it makes the drivers and then vbox works | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | it does complain about dbus and bluetooth while it's building | 00:14 |
| systemdlete | so if it works, what is the problem? | 00:14 |
| systemdlete | (sorry) | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | I think that's because I turned off bluetooth service | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | vbox won't boot any VM until I run vboxconfig | 00:15 |
| systemdlete | (shouldn't matter, but dbus is a bit trickier I think) | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | after every reboot | 00:15 |
| systemdlete | huh | 00:15 |
| systemdlete | it really sounds like something is not installed right. | 00:15 |
| systemdlete | Have you ever tried re-installing vbox from scratch? | 00:15 |
| systemdlete | I know it is a pain, but it might solve the problem. | 00:16 |
| systemdlete | It's stupid, I know. | 00:16 |
| systemdlete | But some people have reported success that way. | 00:16 |
| systemdlete | I may have even run into it myself, but now idr. | 00:16 |
| systemdlete | I think I had some problem like that back in maybe vbox 4 or so | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | https://paste.debian.net/1290211/ | 00:18 |
| systemdlete | oh, fsmithred! I just remember something | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | vboxconfig output ^^^ | 00:18 |
| systemdlete | did you install virtualbox from virtualbox.org (which is what I do) or from some other repo? | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | installing vbox is easy if you don't bother with the extra stuff | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | yeah, oracle vbox from a deb package | 00:19 |
| systemdlete | but where did the deb package come from? (site) | 00:19 |
| systemdlete | I download vbox releases from virtualbox.org. | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | yes | 00:20 |
| systemdlete | I've gotten bitten by distro packages of vbox | 00:20 |
| systemdlete | ok | 00:20 |
| systemdlete | it was just a thought. | 00:20 |
| systemdlete | is vboxdrv enabled? | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | vbox in repo seems to be intermittent | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | missing from some relesases | 00:20 |
| systemdlete | (right, I've seen that also) | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | no, vboxdrv is not enabled. | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | did I turn that off? | 00:21 |
| systemdlete | you might have | 00:21 |
| systemdlete | try service vboxdrv start | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | I guess I'll break down and get the newer package and install that | 00:22 |
| systemdlete | instead of /sbin/vboxconfig | 00:22 |
| systemdlete | well try enabling vboxdrv first | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | ok, I need to reboot again to test that | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | or that | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | I'll go for new deb package so I don't have to decide what runlevels to turn on | 00:22 |
| * systemdlete can't believe this. Helping someone ELSE instead of the usual, helping ME. | 00:23 | |
| DelTomix | everyone knows something someone else doesn't know :) | 00:23 |
| systemdlete | but before you do, I'd be curious to see what happens if you enable and reboot | 00:23 |
| systemdlete | DelTomix, that's true, except for the smartest person in the world | 00:24 |
| DelTomix | oh yeah him :D | 00:24 |
| systemdlete | and god, I guess | 00:24 |
| systemdlete | LOL | 00:24 |
| systemdlete | too bad HE isn't helping us with Devuan | 00:24 |
| DelTomix | ah maybe but - Devuan is already awesome! and we are helping each other :) | 00:25 |
| systemdlete | true | 00:25 |
| fsmithred | well, ok then. I can't install 7.0 over 6.1 | 00:26 |
| systemdlete | right, you have to uninstall 6.x first. But you can upgrade 7.x to 7.x+1 or 6.x to 6.x+1 | 00:27 |
| fsmithred | I only do this once every couple years | 00:27 |
| systemdlete | I'd also make sure you remove saved state of VMs before jumping to 7.x | 00:27 |
| systemdlete | should work, but just to be safe... | 00:27 |
| systemdlete | btw, I noticed while testing the minimal iso that suspend/resume works! I could never get that to work in the past. | 00:28 |
| fsmithred | service vboxdrv start <-- that worked | 00:30 |
| systemdlete | good! | 00:30 |
| systemdlete | so maybe try enabling vboxdrv, reboot and see what happens | 00:30 |
| systemdlete | (just curious) | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | is it normally enabled in 2-5? | 00:31 |
| systemdlete | if it is enabled, you shouldn't have to manually start it after boot | 00:31 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, not sure | 00:31 |
| systemdlete | I wouldn't try it if you don't have a graphical environment. Not sure what vbox would do then. | 00:31 |
| systemdlete | so maybe not all those levels are appropriate for vbox | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | 2-5 in beowulf | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | there are some others, too. vbox-web... | 00:33 |
| systemdlete | right. I'd enable all of them probably | 00:33 |
| systemdlete | but certainly vboxdrv | 00:33 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, that is what I see here also. levels 2-5 are set to start vboxdrv, whereas 0,1, and 6 are set to kill (stop) it | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | do you see wicd? I do. Not sure why. There's no init script. | 00:38 |
| systemdlete | I've removed wicd, netconn, and all other such things from all of my systems. I manually configure /etc/network/* and do things that way. | 00:39 |
| systemdlete | In fact, I do that right after a full install of a new system, along with pulse* avahi* and some others (cups, saneutils, etc) | 00:40 |
| systemdlete | debootstrap doesn't appear to install that cruft, which is one of the reasons I want to use it rather than the usual installer | 00:40 |
| DelTomix | debootstrap is my favourite thing | 00:41 |
| systemdlete | it's quickly becoming mine also... | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | you can un-check everything at the tasksel window (maybe keep standard system utilities) and you will avoid a bunch of cruft. | 00:42 |
| systemdlete | what window? debootstrap doesn't have any windows I've ever seen | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | debian-installer runs tasksel to choose packages | 00:43 |
| systemdlete | oh. | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | regular install | 00:43 |
| systemdlete | right. | 00:44 |
| systemdlete | I know | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | avoid task-*-desktop and you can keep it lean. | 00:44 |
| systemdlete | but I do want xfce4 | 00:44 |
| systemdlete | so task-* will be necessary right? | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | nope | 00:44 |
| systemdlete | oh | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | you don't even need to install the xfce4 metapackage | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | hang on and I'l find what I install for refracta | 00:45 |
| systemdlete | (thanks!) | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | uh, not now. I don't have it on this computer. | 00:47 |
| systemdlete | well, when you get a chance. | 00:48 |
| systemdlete | Is there a way to prevent acpi at boot? Or is that really stupid? | 00:48 |
| systemdlete | I'm wondering if disabling whatever causes the hang could help | 00:48 |
| systemdlete | and why does it insist on you picking a video mode? The other ISOs don't | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | not sure, but it does sound like it might be a bad idea | 00:49 |
| systemdlete | can I disable that also | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | not sure. I really don't know the minimal-live very well. I didn't design it. | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | here are the main parts of xfce: xfconf xfdesktop4 xfwm4 xfce4-terminal xfce4-xkb-plugin xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session \ | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | thunar thunar-volman thunar-archive-plugin xfce4-notifyd libnotify-bin | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | there are other plugins you might want | 00:54 |
| fsmithred | or some you don't want. But installing without the task-* packages makes it easier to remove or avoid what you don't want. | 00:54 |
| DelTomix | been a while since I used the installer - but as I recall I always used advanced/manual and either skipped tasksel step or only went in there to make sure they were unselected. | 01:00 |
| systemdlete | got a bit farther by disabling 3D in the VM | 02:21 |
| systemdlete | and noprobe menu entry from grub | 02:25 |
| systemdlete | ok. Booting with the minimal live ISO, selecting "access" from the grub menu, passing ip=off disables dhcp and lands me at a root prompt. It even has the ext4 module loaded for me. | 02:43 |
| systemdlete | very nice. (Once I figured it all out that is) | 02:43 |
| systemdlete | much more streamlined like this. | 02:43 |
| systemdlete | and using the ISOs that are available already, eetc | 02:43 |
| systemdlete | etc | 02:43 |
| systemdlete | gives me a bash shell | 02:45 |
| systemdlete | and I already have vi at my disposal. | 02:45 |
| systemdlete | which makes working in the raw environment much easier | 02:45 |
| otism | G'Day! By installing daedadus I saw, that my hardware (5 year old PC: bluetooth, audio and printer unable) doesn't work right and I think it's because of the kernel 6.1 - I had Linux Mint before and it worked, I think there was a addinional kernel named 5.35 - Might this cause the problem? And if yes, is it possible to install this one, too? | 10:20 |
| otism | Kernel 5.1 of chimaera could do it as well, dunno | 10:21 |
| otism | over the dev1 forum I came to this: https://www.kernel.org/ - still: if this might help, how to install? :) thanks, I'm afk for a while | 10:29 |
| otism | I posted the problem to https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=43894#p43894 See you :] | 10:47 |
| buZz | dont you love the 'i think that' makes them completely ignore other options :P | 12:42 |
| buZz | like, enabling non-free-firmware | 12:42 |
| buZz | :D | 12:42 |
| al1r4d | otism, maybe | 12:55 |
| al1r4d | try LTS kernel | 12:55 |
| djph | al1r4d: otsim is long gone | 12:57 |
| djph | buZz: users. | 12:57 |
| buZz | USERS | 12:57 |
| buZz | 'plz how can i switch from gnome to kde because my calculator outcomes dont match my brain!' | 12:58 |
| djph | buZz: sounds like #arduino now :( | 13:00 |
| buZz | hehe | 13:00 |
| buZz | yeah it always does | 13:00 |
| djph | ... and probably a topic that'd best be in -offtopic, so we don't make the chanops mad | 13:00 |
| * buZz is chanop | 13:01 | |
| buZz | ;) | 13:01 |
| djph | well, lucky you | 13:01 |
| djph | (and my condolences) | 13:01 |
| buZz | i dno, as long as shit doesnt get in the way of actual support, i'm not one to nitpick rules | 13:01 |
| djph | fair 'nuff | 13:02 |
| spine-o-saurus | i ran apt update now it says the InRelease changed Suite from testing to stable | 18:41 |
| spine-o-saurus | does that mean the system no longer is in testing? | 18:42 |
| jonadab | daedalus is released now yeah. | 18:43 |
| jonadab | I am trying to work up the courage to upgrade my laptop to it. I guess I will probably do a headless system first. Safer. Desktops are so fragile. | 18:43 |
| jonadab | Desktop environments, I mean. | 18:43 |
| spine-o-saurus | so there is no longer a testing release? | 18:44 |
| spine-o-saurus | oh nevermind it is on thewebsite Excalibur | 18:45 |
| spine-o-saurus | where does the packages get downloaded to on the updates? | 18:52 |
| spine-o-saurus | is it in some archive? | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | change the codename in sources.list, update, upgrade | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | same as it ever was | 18:53 |
| spine-o-saurus | k, its upgrading | 18:54 |
| golinux | spine-o-saurus: likes to live on the edge . . . | 19:00 |
| spine-o-saurus | if u cant keep up don't step up, you'll only die | 19:03 |
| brocashelm | as long as you have apt-listbugs and make backups, ceres is pretty easy to work with IME | 20:12 |
| brocashelm | daedalus feels like a ceres that stopped chronically updating, aside from the backports and proposed-updates | 20:14 |
| brocashelm | i know that will change in a few months, but still | 20:15 |
| micdud | what is the status with interfaces and /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules not being generated anymore in daedalus , switching to new naming conventions? or make your own files now ? or backport generator from chimaera? | 20:22 |
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