| nn_ | I just had a apt-get update fail due to a claimed bad signature on Releases. Anybody else seeing this? | 05:44 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | is your clock accurate, and how long has it been since you updated? | 05:45 |
| gnarface | nn_: ^ | 05:45 |
| nn_ | The box has been sitting for a couple of days, I'll find out. Installing on multiple boxen. | 05:46 |
| onefang | Also you might have caught a package mirror while it was updating. I got plans to deal with that. | 05:47 |
| gnarface | nn_: you're not using "stable" or "testing" or "unstable" literally in your sources.list right? | 05:47 |
| nn_ | I dont believe so. I'm booting the box right now, just so I am working from a known state. | 05:48 |
| gnarface | check the system time first | 05:48 |
| rwp | nn_, Are you using apt-cacher-ng as a proxy anywhere? | 05:49 |
| nn_ | I compared it to the box I am on now and there was no apparent difference. I am assuming that if the clocks are within a couple seconds it will not matter? | 05:49 |
| gnarface | nn_: yea, within 5 minutes should be fine | 05:50 |
| gnarface | more than that and DNS will even fail though, these days | 05:50 |
| rwp | I won't say I _routinely_ see the problem with apt-cacher-ng but when I do see it the problem persists until I either clear the cache or avoid the cache. | 05:50 |
| nn_ | Hope you stored the IP address for your time server. | 05:51 |
| gnarface | nn_: my time server is here on my LAN, and so is my DNS, and i would strongly recommend anyone do the same if they care about security | 05:51 |
| nn_ | Get:1 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build InRelease | 05:52 |
| nn_ | Ign:1 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build InRelease | 05:52 |
| nn_ | Get:2 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build Release [1,530 B] | 05:52 |
| nn_ | Get:2 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build Release [1,530 B] | 05:52 |
| nn_ | Get:3 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build Release.gpg | 05:52 |
| nn_ | Ign:3 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build Release.gpg | 05:52 |
| gnarface | sigh | 05:52 |
| gnarface | well, hope they come back | 05:52 |
| gnarface | probably should have warned them about flooding | 05:52 |
| rwp | Yup! But I guess that is the only way people learn not to do that. | 05:52 |
| gnarface | the problem is sometimes they get the lesson wrong and just never come back | 05:53 |
| gnarface | hmm, something weird about the start of that paste though, is it using /var/cache as the repo? | 05:54 |
| gnarface | those would be hostnames there if the sources.list was right | 05:54 |
| gnarface | wouldn't they? | 05:54 |
| rwp | Hmm... That is an interesting observation. I had missed that. | 05:55 |
| rwp | What produces a /var/cache/apt-build/repository path? | 05:55 |
| onefang | Correct, they should be URLs when Get:ting from a mirror. | 05:56 |
| gnarface | looks like maybe someone got clever by putting a file:// url in the sources.list then forgot about it? | 05:57 |
| rwp | Yes. But it is also an "apt-build" like this is a local re-build? | 05:58 |
| gnarface | oh, i missed that part | 05:58 |
| onefang | Soooo what is this "apt-build"? | 05:59 |
| gnarface | yea that seems strange too | 05:59 |
| gnarface | now i really want to know what this poor sod was up to but i feel like we may never know | 05:59 |
| onefang | "This is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimized | 05:59 |
| onefang | for your architecture by creating a local repository with built packages. | 05:59 |
| onefang | It can manage system upgrades too." | 05:59 |
| rwp | https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/apt-build | 05:59 |
| gnarface | interesting | 05:59 |
| gnarface | gentoo-ify your debian? sound fun! | 06:00 |
| onefang | Might have been that which was failing, so digging deeper might be needed. | 06:00 |
| gnarface | well, if they ever make it back, here, someone make sure to mention that to them second (after first mentioning the thing about don't flood or the bot will kick you) | 06:01 |
| onefang | Our new spam bot was eager to prove itself. | 06:02 |
| rwp | It's a Libera.Chat global bot though so we can safely claim it wasn't *us* that did it. :-} | 06:02 |
| rwp | They haven't made it back by now they must think they were blocked instead of just killed. Bummer. | 06:03 |
| onefang | Meanwhile, if I suddenly disappear and don't come back for a while, blame the thunderstorm. It's not high enough to be in the ozone layer. | 06:05 |
| rwp | Meanwhile in other problems... Mine in this case. | 06:05 |
| rwp | I installed Daedalus fresh on a new machine. Installed firefox-esr. And it does not render the Reddit site correctly! | 06:05 |
| rwp | I installed the upstream Mozilla firefox and it works just fine. All good. | 06:05 |
| rwp | I conclude that something is wrong with firefox-esr that it does not render reddit.com correctly. | 06:05 |
| onefang | What are the version numbers? | 06:05 |
| brocashelm | weird. old.reddit.com works for me, even on pale moon | 06:05 |
| onefang | Or is this firefox vs firefox-esr? | 06:06 |
| brocashelm | reddit's design is pretty anti-design, though | 06:06 |
| rwp | Daedalus firefox-esr 102.15.1esr-1~deb12u1. Versus upstream Mozilla firefox 118.0. | 06:06 |
| onefang | When I have to use reddit, I use the old version to avoid the horrid spread of "click here for more, and click here for even more, and this one two, and ..." | 06:06 |
| brocashelm | you can also try teddit.net | 06:07 |
| rwp | The incorrect rendering has oversized boxes for the articles and if there is an image then the image is blank. | 06:07 |
| onefang | Any browser extensions? | 06:07 |
| brocashelm | there's a url rewriter plugin that you can use to automatically parse all reddit.com to old.reddit.com | 06:07 |
| rwp | I always load up uBlock Origin as a security module. | 06:07 |
| brocashelm | https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/ | 06:07 |
| brocashelm | try this, rwp | 06:07 |
| onefang | I use uBlock Origin to, but tend to avoid reddit, and I'm not on Daedalus yet. | 06:08 |
| rwp | That redirector module is an interesting one. But not sure how it would be configured in this case. | 06:09 |
| rwp | Also I guess I don't mind using the upstream Mozilla Firefox. But it would be nice if the Stable repository version also worked. | 06:09 |
| onefang | 102.15.1esr here in Chtimaera. | 06:09 |
| onefang | https://www.reddit.com/ looks fine here. I guess. | 06:10 |
| onefang | Doesn't look any different with uBlock Origin disabled. | 06:11 |
| rwp | I think it used to work on the Chimaera firefox but I no longer have a test case for it now. | 06:11 |
| onefang | Odd. | 06:11 |
| onefang | Ah it's deb11u1 here, not deb12u1 like yours. | 06:12 |
| onefang | After my life settles my next major thing to do is upgrade everything to Daedalus. But testing in VMs first. | 06:14 |
| rwp | It's not significantly stressful for me to need to solve this, since the other version of firefox works okay. | 06:14 |
| rwp | It's just as you say, odd, though so I wanted to mention it in passing at least. | 06:15 |
| onefang | Maybe there's an update in backports, or just downgrode to deb11u1. Or that. | 06:15 |
| rwp | I am thinking it is something in the ESR build that is not quite right. | 06:15 |
| rwp | But on the other hand it is perhaps equally likely that something on the reddit.com site is the problem and not quite right there. | 06:16 |
| onefang | I only use reddit if it pops up in searches and nothing else will help, coz I really hate web sites with excessive "click here to see more". Reddit's is particularly annoying. | 06:16 |
| rwp | HTML used to be simple enough to be understood by mere mortals. But now entire sites are constructed in Javascript manipulating the DOM and beyond human understanding. | 06:16 |
| onefang | Agreed. | 06:17 |
| onefang | And often for no need. | 06:17 |
| Xenguy | Sometimes I just use a text browser these days, if I'm feeling exasperated with all the JS | 06:46 |
| Xenguy | Sometimes it still works | 06:46 |
| onefang | I recently installed NoScript extension to Firefox-ESR for the same reason. | 06:49 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, having a toggle for JS is almost mandatory these days | 06:51 |
| Jens3 | Xenguy: Which text browser do you use? | 07:00 |
| rwp | For me I will sometimes be following referrals from friends or something and land on a paywalled site. Then I will try with a text browser (emacs w3m for me) and often be able to read the otherwise paywalled article. | 07:00 |
| fluffywolf | I use yesscript... it's simpler for just on/off js switching. | 07:29 |
| fluffywolf | bbl, bedtime | 07:29 |
| fluffywolf | onefang: if you edit reddit urls to use old., it sucks less | 07:31 |
| fluffywolf | bbl | 07:31 |
| golinux | Does reddit ever not suck? | 07:44 |
| DelTomix | s/bug/feature/g :) | 07:45 |
| Xenguy | Jens3, Typically 'elinks' | 10:35 |
| Guest3 | hi, is there a known problem or fix for the daedalus netinstall simply rebooting and returning to the same main option screen? I tried selecting Install, Expert Install, rescue mode, and regardless, my computer reboots and returns to this same screen of options. | 12:32 |
| gnarface | Guest3: that's odd. can you show me the link you downloaded it from? | 12:54 |
| gnarface | i haven't seen anyone else complain about this yet | 12:56 |
| Guest3 | gnarface, via https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan I went to https://devuan.krypto-it.pl/files.devuan.org/ and then https://devuan.krypto-it.pl/files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/ and got the file devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso | 13:08 |
| Guest3 | I did the gpg and sha checks | 13:08 |
| gnarface | Guest3: did you boot it from USB? | 13:09 |
| Guest3 | yes | 13:09 |
| gnarface | what command did you use to write it to the USB? | 13:09 |
| Guest3 | i'd previously made a boot usb with the live desktop install to try it, and that worked | 13:09 |
| Guest3 | i.e. i could boot up daedalus and use it ok from that earlier usb | 13:10 |
| gnarface | just show me the exact command you used so i can sanity check it | 13:10 |
| gnarface | some dd option combinations are better than others, and there's some bad advice floating around, you may merely have gotten (un)lucky | 13:11 |
| Guest3 | ah ok, hang on a moment | 13:11 |
| gnarface | also, did you try expert mode in text mode instead of graphical mode (if that's still an option) | 13:12 |
| Guest3 | dd if=devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M status=progress oflag=sync | 13:12 |
| gnarface | yea, two sketchy choices here | 13:13 |
| Guest3 | the installer came up in text mode, i saw no graphic option (unlike with the desktop iso) | 13:13 |
| gnarface | it might be under like, advanced options or other | 13:13 |
| gnarface | i haven't seen this version yet but it's been buried before | 13:13 |
| gnarface | (maybe i'm remembering a debian release though, not 100% sure) | 13:13 |
| Guest3 | i thought i read somewhere at devuan.org that there was no longer a graphic installer | 13:14 |
| gnarface | ok, as for the dd command... omit "bs=1M" (not gonna help when writing to flash anyway) and use "conv=fsync" instead of "oflag=sync" | 13:14 |
| gnarface | that's probably not the issue, but try it to be sure | 13:14 |
| Guest3 | ok, thanks, i will try that and see how it goes! | 13:14 |
| Guest3 | i supposed the usb was written ok since it booted in the first place, but who knows. strange mysteries are possible. :) | 13:15 |
| DelTomix | shasum of his download source is good, just transferring a copy to double check myself here. | 13:17 |
| onefang | Guest3> I did the gpg and sha checks | 13:18 |
| DelTomix | yeah I know | 13:18 |
| nethead23 | Hi, does anyone here as courier MTA with maildrop running on devuan 5? | 14:29 |
| onefang | nethead23: yes, yes, no. I intend to upgrade all my boxes to Daedalus someday. I use courier and maildrop though. Why do you ask? | 14:42 |
| nethead23 | onefang: I have one debian 11 box where "all" works including maildrop and spamassassin. I did migrate the courier setup to devuan 5 and there all seems to work but the maildrop invocation. Even with nearly identical config the devuan 5 installation gives a "Bad command line arguments, -h for help" and stops mail delivery. | 14:47 |
| nethead23 | courierd confiuration is identical as is maildroprc on both machines | 14:48 |
| nethead23 | What i did find out in the release notes is that debian 12 doesnt install the courier version of maildrop which seems required but i cant find it on the debian 11 versions which works either. Both installations only have maildrop installed under "/usr/bin" and not under one of the courier directories. Where they should be according to documentation. | 14:50 |
| onefang | You said "nearly identical config", so what's different? | 14:54 |
| nethead23 | domain setup during migration, locals, hosteddomains etc. | 15:00 |
| onefang | I would try to figure out what the actual command line is, then find out which one or more is the bad one. | 15:07 |
| nethead23 | According to documentation and source code courier mta uses a custom version of maildrop. Which seems missing and according to debian 12 docs will be not installed anymore. Which doesnt make any sense. Increasing log verbosity and seeing the command line might help yes. Need to check where to actually do it. I just moved to courier 2 months ago after 26 years of using qmail :) | 15:10 |
| onefang | It's late night on this side of the planet, but hopefully someone else can help out soon. | 15:26 |
| nethead23 | About 21:30 here ... | 15:33 |
| nethead23 | compiling courier from source also doesnt seem trivial. | 15:34 |
| onefang | I'm two hours ahead of you. | 15:36 |
| nethead23 | Thats late, sweet dreams then... | 15:38 |
| FatPhil | what's the nearest debian version to chimaera? | 18:05 |
| snorkcity | FatPhil, do you mean this? https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 18:08 |
| FatPhil | Bullseye gottit - cheers! | 18:31 |
| FatPhil | ugh, trying to work through an installer script for something that officially only supports ubuntu, but kinda vaguely copes with debian too | 18:39 |
| FatPhil | I was wondering if I could modify it to recognise devuan as debian, and chimaera as bullseye | 18:39 |
| FatPhil | alas I don't have a program lsb_release, which it what it uses to work out what distro it's running | 18:40 |
| FatPhil | I have a bit of a headcold presently and am finding it very hard to think straigh at all. | 18:40 |
| FatPhil | aha, lsb-release != lsb_release! | 19:42 |
| rwp | FatPhil, Also try "cat /etc/os-release" too which is the source data for lsb stuff. | 21:31 |
| rwp | AFAICT the LSB is unfortunately now a dead effort. It has fallen out of use and is completely ignored by the other distros. | 21:33 |
| FatPhil | oooh, didn't know about that | 21:34 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!