| ibanja | I'm trying to get jack, qjackctl and the Calf Plugin Pack to work. The equalizer shows activity (bars moving), but no sound is coming out. A picture: https://justpaste.it/c41h8 Does anybody know how to get this working? | 01:56 |
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| gnarface | ibanja: i'm not familiar with jack but the symptoms sound typical of having multiple audio devices and the wrong one selected as default | 01:58 |
| gnarface | there should be a easy way to fix it, (maybe with qjackctl?) but like i said i'm not familiar with jack | 01:58 |
| gnarface | is qjackctl like pulseaudio's "pavucontrol" ? | 01:59 |
| ibanja | qjackctl is the gui that connects all the different audio bits and pieces. | 01:59 |
| gnarface | sounds like that's a yes | 01:59 |
| gnarface | sometimes things that don't seem like audio devices actually are audio devices, and keep in mind that until you change it, the default will be whichever comes up first, which if you have more than one is almost certainly not the one you added on purpose | 02:01 |
| ibanja | IN "pavucontrol" jack sink is selected and the volume monitor is moving | 02:01 |
| gnarface | ...and if they're hotplug devices the order may even change at reboot or on hotplug between | 02:01 |
| gnarface | s/between// | 02:01 |
| gnarface | oh, so you have pulseaudio and jack together? that might complicate things | 02:01 |
| gnarface | i'm sure they can be made to work together but typically i think you'd choose one or the other exclusively | 02:02 |
| ibanja | I had jack working with alsa, but then I kept having problems with other audio, especially the browsers. | 02:02 |
| gnarface | probably boils down to the same issue; undefined defaults become a moving target | 02:03 |
| ibanja | it's supposed to work with pulseaudio-module-jack | 02:03 |
| ibanja | I never used pulse until just recently, but couldn't get everything to work with alsa. | 02:03 |
| gnarface | in pavucontrol there's several tabs | 02:03 |
| gnarface | make sure you look at the options in all of them | 02:03 |
| onefang | In qjackctl Right click menu -> Setup... -> Settings tab -> Advanced sub tab -> Output Device. | 02:04 |
| gnarface | inputs and outputs have to be selected separately i think | 02:04 |
| gnarface | ah, ibanja, sounds like onefang knows more about this than me | 02:04 |
| onefang | I know about jack2 and ALSA, I avoid pulse and pipe, not even installed. | 02:05 |
| ibanja | do your browsers work with jack2 and AlSA? | 02:05 |
| onefang | Browsers might be trying to use pulse, but you can install apulse. | 02:06 |
| ibanja | I can't get sound half the time in my browsers. | 02:06 |
| gnarface | the firefox-esr build in the stable repo still works with bare alsa | 02:06 |
| gnarface | apulse should generally work for output though | 02:06 |
| gnarface | there's also a fix for Unity games that "require" pulseaudio that i have not considered using outside of Steam before, but might also be relevant to this: | 02:07 |
| ibanja | I am not seeing the Output Device setting. | 02:07 |
| ibanja | OK...I see it. It's greyed out. | 02:08 |
| onefang | QjackCtl Version 0.9.1 is what I'm running here. | 02:09 |
| gnarface | so basically what you do is you make a symlink from libpulse-simple.so.0 to /dev/null, then force the program to load that first, and audio will work with bare alsa again even though the Unity game will think it's using pulseaudio, and that doesn't require apulse | 02:09 |
| gnarface | i've been using this fix on Unity games for years now, but it might work for browsers too | 02:09 |
| ibanja | gnarface: Hmm... I might try that. | 02:10 |
| gnarface | in theory it should work for anything, but i've only seen it discussed in context of making sound work in Unity on linux without pulseaudio | 02:10 |
| ibanja | onefang: I'm using 0.9.9-1 | 02:10 |
| onefang | Oh, you might also need to use the qjackctl graph window to actually hook up the output of some program to your auidio output device, if there's more than one shows. | 02:10 |
| onefang | That's just a click and drag. | 02:11 |
| ibanja | My qjackctl screenshot is here: https://justpaste.it/c41h8 | 02:11 |
| ibanja | I can't see anything that is wrong with the hookup. | 02:11 |
| onefang | I have a really complex jack 2 setup, with multiple sound devices. Including my graphics card that has six audio outputs, though only four video outputs. No idea why. | 02:12 |
| gnarface | onefang: (so you can hook a HDMI hub to it) | 02:13 |
| gnarface | something to do with HDMI hubs or daisy-chains or something like that | 02:14 |
| gnarface | never actually seen it used | 02:14 |
| onefang | Never heard of them. I just had to figure out, by trying them one at a time, which one was being fed to my one monitor that has speakers. | 02:15 |
| ibanja | onefang: Do those qjackctl settings look correct to you? I have tried just about every combo. | 02:16 |
| onefang | I do have KVM switches though, that include separated audio. | 02:16 |
| ibanja | I have ab audio switched. It's a separate switch for the audio. | 02:17 |
| ibanja | that's switches | 02:17 |
| onefang | Dunno, you have PulseAudio stuff in there, which I do not have installed, so I have no idea how it fits in. | 02:17 |
| gnarface | my guess is that qjackctl and pavucontrol and alsamixer have to be made to all agree on certain things | 02:18 |
| ibanja | right... I think I am going back to jack2 and alsa and try gnarface's idea of symlinking libpulse-simple.so.0 to /dev/null | 02:19 |
| ibanja | alsamixer is no longer installed after installing pulse. | 02:20 |
| gnarface | really? that's weird... it should definitely be there still | 02:20 |
| gnarface | alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa-topology-conf, alsa-ucm-conf, alsa-utils | 02:20 |
| gnarface | one or two of those are obsolete dummy packages now i think, but you want to make sure you've installed all the ones from that list still in the repo | 02:21 |
| gnarface | and none of them should prompt removal of something else unless you've screwed up your package dependency tree somehow | 02:21 |
| gnarface | (a common symptom of mixing repos/distros or just being on testing or unstable) | 02:22 |
| ibanja | sorry. it is. It wasn't until today when I upgraded to daedalus | 02:22 |
| ibanja | I just checked | 02:22 |
| onefang | I'm still in the process of updating to deadalus, so I haven't tested my audio setup under it yet. | 02:23 |
| onefang | Moving house four times in 12 months soaked up too much of my time. lol | 02:24 |
| ibanja | I used to move more that once a year for about 15 years. It's not easy. | 02:25 |
| ibanja | OK, that's for the help. I've got to go. | 02:28 |
| onefang | You are welcome. | 02:28 |
| onefang | I should document and publish my Devuan install script some day. The daelalus version is taking some time, coz I'm rewriting lots of the config files from scratch, rather than just copy and tweak like I usually do. Then testing everything, and switching to some other programs for certain things. | 02:31 |
| n4dir | hmm. So i first installed devuan-live, then devuan with netinstall, both times after installation i see the BIOS info, then | 05:58 |
| n4dir | get a black screen and blinking cursor, there it hangs. What might that be? | 05:59 |
| n4dir | during installing with refractainstaller devuan live, i saw some info about gpt or such | 05:59 |
| n4dir | but i assumed/hoped, that going for the netinstall-iso that would take care of all automatically | 05:59 |
| rrq | n4dir: which type of install is that? .. i.e. which choices? | 06:26 |
| n4dir | refractainstaller the way it is. netinstall-iso just default | 06:26 |
| gnarface | two things come to mind | 06:28 |
| rrq | today's daedalus uses kernel 6.1.0-18 .. not sure if that means something for graphics | 06:29 |
| gnarface | first one is a potential secure boot issue you have to fix manually but i don't know how | 06:29 |
| gnarface | second one is a potential boot sector corruption from changing back and forth between partition table types but the installer not doing a good job of cleaning the path in front of itself - that one you can fix by just erasing the first couple megabytes of disk with dd | 06:30 |
| n4dir | rrq: it doesn't even get that far. I don't even see grub | 06:30 |
| n4dir | wtf? now it booted? I was in the kitchen. | 06:31 |
| n4dir | so no clue what happened when. | 06:31 |
| gnarface | oh, yea and also 6.1.0-18 has a problem with nvidia drivers | 06:31 |
| gnarface | so maybe the difference you're seeing is failing over to nouveau or something | 06:31 |
| gnarface | man, they still haven't fixed that? what a joek. | 06:32 |
| gnarface | *joke | 06:32 |
| n4dir | pretty sure while i looked at the laptop in Mint it had nvidia | 06:33 |
| n4dir | with xfce i would use lightdm as a display-manager? | 06:33 |
| n4dir | not tasksel, if i install xfce after installation | 06:34 |
| gnarface | i think so, but not sure that matters as much anymore since beowulf | 06:34 |
| n4dir | well, if it sucks i might replace it | 06:34 |
| n4dir | perhaps i'll go for autologin without a display-manager | 06:35 |
| n4dir | damnit. I guess if i had waited long enough, the devuan-live would have worked too. For the ones who get it it has the applications they want/need | 06:36 |
| n4dir | now i got to install them all myself. grml | 06:36 |
| gnarface | i wonder what the delay is you're seeing | 06:37 |
| gnarface | there might be a way to get more information | 06:37 |
| n4dir | gnarface: Mint also took ages to boot in general. I am not sure it also took long to show grub menu | 06:37 |
| n4dir | might well be. Probably some setting in the BIOS, and i sure don't know BIOS settings well | 06:38 |
| n4dir | besides most basic stuff, like boot order | 06:38 |
| gnarface | well, if you remove "quiet" from the kernel command line (/etc/default/grub) maybe you'll see some text before the pause | 06:38 |
| gnarface | then you can tell what it's hanging on | 06:38 |
| gnarface | if the hang is before grub though, no idea what's up with that | 06:39 |
| gnarface | unless some UEFI thing | 06:39 |
| n4dir | Perhaps. I will first set it up. Then if in the boot see if i can solve that problem or at least understand | 06:39 |
| n4dir | i don't think it has UEFI | 06:39 |
| n4dir | DELL Inspiron 1720 | 06:39 |
| gnarface | if it's a nvidia video card, adding the kernel commandline option no_console_suspend=1 might also give you some extra info if the problem is specifically nvidia driver related | 06:39 |
| n4dir | i looked in BIOS, and i didn't see any UEFI stuff, but, as said, am not good with it | 06:39 |
| n4dir | in general i am happy it seems to have worked at all. I really would prefer to put devuan on it (or devuan-based, like refracta) | 06:40 |
| n4dir | if i get problems, like kernle version, i'll go for old-stable | 06:40 |
| n4dir | yesterday i tried for an hour or such to go down with ressource usage for Mint, but that sure is not much fun | 06:42 |
| n4dir | they guy in charge is a mint fan, i try to convince him it ain't good for low-ressources, but he ... well. | 06:43 |
| n4dir | it is weird how hard it is for "them" to understand that all that auto-this and auto-that eats ressources, and more than just a bit | 06:44 |
| n4dir | also i went back to i386, which seems to help on old hardware (uses less RAM) | 06:46 |
| n4dir | xfce sure ain't the best choice, but as they are not into linux-stuff, best option, it seems | 06:48 |
| n4dir | looks like everything went fine. Also funny enough the blinking cursor is gone, i go straight to grub menu. Weird | 08:45 |
| gnarface | strange, i wonder what was up with that | 08:46 |
| n4dir | gnarface: as said, though Mint booted, there was a bit of weird behaviour too. | 08:46 |
| n4dir | probably some setting(s) in the BIOS | 08:46 |
| n4dir | and i sure am down from ~800 MB to ~400 MB with devuan/xfce instead of Mint (which seems quie a difference on a 4 Gig laptop) | 08:47 |
| gnarface | spinning platter harddrive? you might also be able to get a little speed boost by using zramswap from the zram-tools package | 08:51 |
| n4dir | gnarface: thanks, but i already spend enough time on the laptop, which probably no one will use anyway | 08:52 |
| gnarface | oh i thought we were gonna try to see how fast we could make it | 08:52 |
| n4dir | gnarface: i will keep it in mind. Perhaps i will try it | 08:53 |
| debdog | if no one uses it, I'll take it | 08:53 |
| n4dir | but to me all this is not very interesting. All that icon here and user comfort there. It takes me lots of time | 08:53 |
| n4dir | debdog: head over to Bremen and you can have it | 08:53 |
| n4dir | they give them away for free, this one i made for the audio-room | 08:54 |
| debdog | 650 km | 08:54 |
| n4dir | too far for such a crap thing | 08:54 |
| debdog | a tad too much | 08:54 |
| omniboy | help pls: | 09:21 |
| omniboy | using ceres, currently on last working upgrade | 09:22 |
| omniboy | (which was made december late) | 09:22 |
| omniboy | decided to use Daedalus repos so 'sources.list' corrected | 09:23 |
| omniboy | in order to receive security updates | 09:24 |
| omniboy | but one of packages has unmet dependencies now after i updated repos | 09:25 |
| omniboy | how to resolve it? | 09:25 |
| gnarface | omniboy: sometimes you have to remove some packages | 09:27 |
| gnarface | if you try using aptitude instead of apt it might be easier because aptitude can offer specific suggestions | 09:27 |
| omniboy | when i try to remove it there's the whole stack of others drags | 09:27 |
| gnarface | yea, probably anything that was newer than daedalus | 09:28 |
| omniboy | ok. so - | 09:28 |
| gnarface | usually you can just remove this stuff and then install the daedalus versions afterwards | 09:28 |
| n4dir | which is the package with unmet deps? | 09:28 |
| gnarface | but like i said, aptitude might make it easier for you | 09:28 |
| omniboy | there's no other way but downgrade the stac? | 09:29 |
| omniboy | thank you appreciate | 09:29 |
| gnarface | that has to be the first step usually, yes | 09:29 |
| gnarface | you might be able to upgrade some stuff with backports later | 09:29 |
| gnarface | depending on how far ahead ceres was, it might be better to just do a clean install | 09:30 |
| omniboy | aptitude? you mean the way to remove one package independenly? | 09:30 |
| gnarface | december doesn't sound very long ago though, i dunno | 09:30 |
| gnarface | no no, aptitude is a "smart" alternative to apt/apt-get/apt-cache and friends | 09:31 |
| omniboy | ok i see. thx | 09:31 |
| gnarface | it will give you contextual suggestions on how to fix this | 09:31 |
| omniboy | the package is: | 09:31 |
| n4dir | if you want to go from ceres to daedalus, i would reinstall | 09:32 |
| omniboy | agree. but currently no time for it. gonna try "middle way") | 09:33 |
| n4dir | it sure takes way, way less time then troubleshooting this | 09:33 |
| omniboy | well i just delete thevcompany | 09:34 |
| omniboy | and new-install it | 09:34 |
| omniboy | 'libsvtav1enc1' | 09:34 |
| omniboy | if i try to remove it there are two points: packages that remove with it and packages that stay unrequired | 09:35 |
| gnarface | well just make sure it doesn't remove anything you actually need to boot | 09:36 |
| omniboy | if i remove the stack and install older version, will it go? | 09:36 |
| gnarface | then whatever else you can just install afterwards, yea, unless we run into another problem... | 09:36 |
| gnarface | don't let it remove the kernel | 09:37 |
| gnarface | don't let it remove grub either | 09:37 |
| gnarface | be prepared to have to let it remove your entire graphical stack though, and have to install the whole desktop and everything from scratch | 09:38 |
| gnarface | ...not necessarily, just possibly | 09:38 |
| gnarface | hopefully aptitude will give you some better options than that though | 09:38 |
| omniboy | i mean those packages that stay no longer required, will they work with older versions of downgradables? | 09:38 |
| gnarface | OH | 09:40 |
| gnarface | sorry, i misunderstood. no, remove those too. | 09:40 |
| gnarface | purge orphaned packages | 09:40 |
| omniboy | i see. there are too much | 09:40 |
| gnarface | when you install the daedalus versions they'll get their own dependencies, these will just be in the way | 09:40 |
| gnarface | if it removes the kernel or grub you'll have to make sure to install them again before you reboot | 09:41 |
| omniboy | thank you guys. i see clear now the situation | 09:41 |
| gnarface | you see why we recommend just install daedalus? | 09:41 |
| omniboy | thank you | 09:41 |
| gnarface | you can easily copy your data over afterwards | 09:41 |
| omniboy | well | 09:42 |
| omniboy | the problem is all personal environment | 09:42 |
| gnarface | you could also try keeping the ceres install in a VM or chroot or something like that | 09:42 |
| omniboy | settings and bookmarks etc | 09:42 |
| gnarface | then you have a stable base system to boot with | 09:42 |
| omniboy | thx | 09:43 |
| n4dir | i am or was a big believer in not reinstalling but repairing if broken. But there are situations where it really doesn't make sense | 09:48 |
| n4dir | i am not sure if i fully understand his situation | 09:48 |
| omniboy | no you got it | 09:50 |
| omniboy | what is backports? excalibur? | 09:50 |
| n4dir | you really want to go back to "stable", no "unstable/ceres" at all? | 09:50 |
| omniboy | don't wish | 09:51 |
| n4dir | well, if you don't want that, then you should want it. It is either this or that, you don't mix them | 09:51 |
| rrq | 9 | 09:51 |
| omniboy | since 'sed' and usrmerge problem wasn't run upgrades | 09:52 |
| omniboy | i'm on ceres | 09:52 |
| omniboy | i'm afraid there's gonna be security issues | 09:53 |
| omniboy | - if i don't upgrade | 09:53 |
| omniboy | in first place i decided to wait till ceres be fixed... but it looks like there's no good time for such a tactics now | 09:55 |
| n4dir | omniboy: i went back from testing to stable too, as i simply didn't have time or interest in troubleshooting the actual problems | 09:56 |
| n4dir | well: and usually to me software versions don't matter. It was only ardour where i cared for it | 09:58 |
| omniboy | hm... if the problematic package from daedalus updates is older... then just avoiding it is nothing about security | 09:58 |
| omniboy | i did next: use daedalus-security repo for system | 10:00 |
| omniboy | what you think? | 10:00 |
| omniboy | and install individual packages of applications from ceres | 10:01 |
| omniboy | like browser or player | 10:01 |
| n4dir | i think the idea makes no sense. | 10:02 |
| n4dir | once you install one package from ceres, you might just as well give up on stable alltogether | 10:02 |
| n4dir | you really don't mix them. Like never. | 10:03 |
| omniboy | well if i use the Firefox version from | 10:03 |
| omniboy | ceres | 10:03 |
| omniboy | being on Daedalus | 10:03 |
| omniboy | why not? | 10:03 |
| omniboy | is Excalibur backported repo? | 10:40 |
| gnarface | omniboy: i don't think daedalus-backports are fixed specifically to either excalibur or ceres | 11:53 |
| gnarface | i would guess probably usually ceres actually but not sure | 11:54 |
| omniboy | thank you | 11:57 |
| gnarface | omniboy: to be clear, you'll see if you look at the backports package versions they're unique to backports, specifically... i think you can tell by the proximity of numbers which release they forked the patches from | 11:59 |
| gnarface | might not always be obvious and i'm not always sure it's necessarily even from either of them | 11:59 |
| gnarface | you can check package versions at pkginfo.devuan.org | 11:59 |
| omniboy | i recall from my debian past | 12:11 |
| omniboy | not even used it maybe | 12:12 |
| omniboy | so it's better to do daedalus plus backported tools | 12:13 |
| omniboy | than Daedalus and tools from ceres | 12:13 |
| fsmithred | only install the backported packages you need. Don't install all of them unless you want to be the first person to test all of them together. | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | and yes, the backported packages were compiled for the stable release so they will work with the libraries in stable. | 12:17 |
| omniboy | ty | 12:19 |
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