tinwhiskers | It does bug me a bit but I think that is normal considering you're loading the default web page in that directory... i.e. /covid19/index.pl | 00:00 |
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LjL | tinwhiskers, the problem is probably just that miki4242[m] changed the URL and then claimed it was the URL in the topic! | 00:00 |
tinwhiskers | I did briefly look into changing that behaviour but gave up | 00:01 |
Julius5_1 | Do people still believe in this fake pandemic? | 00:05 |
Julius5_1 | Why??? | 00:05 |
LjL | Julius5_1, evading bans is a breach of network policy | 00:06 |
Julius5_1 | row up | 00:06 |
LjL | i'm going to fucking email his ISP i swear | 00:06 |
LjL | (but "his ISP" is probably proxies so) | 00:06 |
tinwhiskers | Trolls will be trolls | 00:07 |
miki4242[m] | <LjL "tinwhiskers, the problem is prob"> Sorry to have bothered you, I think it could be a bug in the Element cliënt I'm using on Android. The topic link does show a trailing backslash but somehow it gets dropped from the actual URL which gets passed to the browser. | 00:37 |
miki4242[m] | * Sorry to have bothered you, I think it could be a bug in the Element client I'm using on Android. The topic link does show a trailing backslash but somehow it gets dropped from the actual URL which gets passed to the browser. | 00:37 |
LjL | miki4242[m], not really a problem! but yeah it's in the topic, in my Riot it's part of the link, but i guess it does depent on the client | 00:37 |
tinwhiskers | miki4242[m]: ah. I see. I'll take another look and see if I can change that, like maybe doing a forward or something | 00:37 |
LjL | well technically i'm using Element too, i'm just not used to the new name. but on desktop. | 00:38 |
LjL | miki4242[m], weird... it's not part of the URL in my mobile Element either, but then the final / in https://covid19.specops.network/ is | 00:39 |
LjL | someone picked a peculiar regex | 00:39 |
miki4242[m] | I have sent a bug report from the Element app, hope someone can have a look at it. | 00:39 |
LjL | i've already been annoyed by the fact in the new Element i don't seem to be able to tab complete people's names ;( | 00:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: White House seeks to block funds for coronavirus testing and tracing in relief bill, report says → https://is.gd/BRi04u | 00:51 |
LjL | how unexpected | 00:56 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘We’re fighting our own state’: Southern mayors push back on state coronavirus response → https://is.gd/jxXpVR | 01:00 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vermont Goes 30+ Days with No COVID-19 Deaths → https://is.gd/LsOe7a | 01:10 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Siberian heatwave 'made 600x more likely by climate change' | Siberia experienced its warmest June on record - up to 10C higher than average. Prolonged heat like the Arctic region experienced this year would only happen less than once in every 80,000 years without human-induced climate change → https://is.gd/kwjZs5 | 01:29 |
ryouma | off topic but i saw in a geology documentary once that a big issue is the siberian tundra. some areas contain vast quantities of methane. once it melts that gets released which leads to more global warming. | 01:35 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Moderna Vaccine Enters the Final Phase of Clinical Trials → https://is.gd/e4iL7S | 01:39 |
dTal | clathrate gun yah | 01:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO reports record daily increase in global coronavirus cases for second day in a row → https://is.gd/iJjG2w | 01:58 |
tinwhiskers | Would someone be so kind as to verify https://offloop.net/covid19 and https://offloop.net/covid19/ (one with and one without trailing slash) are working now? My internet is so cruddy today I can't even load the page.... or I broke something. | 02:05 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: WHO reports record global case rise as Sydney tightens overseas arrivals: Global daily cases increase by over a quarter of a million ; Sydney to limit overseas arrivals to 350 per day from Monday ; Restrictions tightened in Barcelona. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 02:07 |
tinwhiskers | Oh. Bugger. Nevermind. I did break something | 02:09 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, my internet's existence seems to be dictated by whether it's the weekend, what time during the weekend, and how many people decided mountains would make for a good weekend destination | 02:12 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 02:13 |
LjL | anyway slashy works, noslashy doesn't work, same as before | 02:13 |
tinwhiskers | OK, I think I got it this time | 02:15 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, do you think it's a coincidence the white house decided it now has control over the numbers just as the the derivative of the *deaths* (not cases) changes | 02:15 |
LjL | yes noslashy redirects to slashy now | 02:16 |
tinwhiskers | No, I do not. If Trump hadn't been going on at length about reducing the amount of testing to improve the numbers I might think there was more honest intent behind it but it's pretty hard to overlook that. | 02:17 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, yes but by actually making a loud fuss about the testing, he's drawing attention to the *cases* instead of the *deaths* | 02:17 |
LjL | but the cases are already ramping up and that can hardly be hidden now | 02:17 |
tinwhiskers | hrm | 02:17 |
LjL | the deaths were still kind of slowing down until like... five days ago? | 02:17 |
LjL | well, or being linera | 02:18 |
tinwhiskers | I don't think the cases will continue to climb for long now :-) | 02:18 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i'm just thinking how one common counterargument from the "no masks, no lockdowns, meh" people is that despite the cases going up, the deaths aren't, so "it's not really a problem anymore" | 02:19 |
LjL | "we can treat it now", etc | 02:19 |
tinwhiskers | ah. I see | 02:19 |
tinwhiskers | that could be the picture they try to paint. I thought they'd go more for the "it'll disappear just a like a miracle" story but you might be right. | 02:20 |
LjL | i will try not to underestimate how unlikely a story they may willy-nilly try to paint | 02:22 |
LjL | but you keep an eye on the deaths ;P | 02:22 |
LjL | or more seriously... do we have more "raw" numbers from anywhere? do you have any clue if the hospitals themselves are now directed to somehow funnel their numbers to the WH? do the individual states not have a right/ability to get their data directly? | 02:23 |
tinwhiskers | I will. I hadn't thought of that. | 02:23 |
tinwhiskers | we won't have any raw data unless the hospitals break the rules and also report somewhere else, but I think all the hospitals in a given county would have to collaborate to reveal any fudging unless it's so extreme that a single hospital has more cases/deaths than the official stats show. | 02:24 |
tinwhiskers | All we'll really have is unusual patterns emerging if they make it too obvious | 02:25 |
tinwhiskers | I think CDC will still have the data so hopefully all the dashboards will continue without interruption, but that data will be going via this new screening before going to the CDC. | 02:26 |
tinwhiskers | afk | 02:27 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Vaccine Efficacy Needed for a COVID-19 Coronavirus Vaccine to Prevent or Stop an Epidemic as the Sole Intervention (81 votes) | https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(20)30284-1/fulltext | https://redd.it/htmbva | 02:37 |
ryouma | i vaguely recall a reference to states taht gather their own data continuing to do so. but we have seen the insanity of governors. | 02:43 |
LjL | well hopefully *more* states will start doing that then | 02:45 |
ryouma | but they have to play ball too | 02:49 |
ryouma | follow orders* | 02:50 |
ryouma | i really think we need urgenly multiple independent gatherers of data (volunteers, ngos, unwho, and more) using data from a wide variety of data sources (hospitals, sewage, and more) | 02:51 |
ryouma | i don't trust anything now | 02:52 |
ryouma | i feel foolish looking at offloop and thinking ok this is coming from a lot of places and there are checks and balances | 02:52 |
ryouma | i didn't realize there really weren't quite | 02:52 |
ryouma | citizen scientists were all over the place during fukushima; they can be all over the place for pandemics too | 02:53 |
LjL | i don't think these things are comparable | 02:58 |
LjL | you can't get number of infected from sewage, you can get... something, for sure, but it won't validate your number of infected | 02:58 |
LjL | and you can ask hospitals but they may be legally bound not to tell you | 02:58 |
LjL | also lolk unwho | 02:59 |
ryouma | that's why i said lots of sources. things that are comparable. and i mentioned this yesterday or so, but i don't mean unwho as it is now, ut after heads have rolled. | 03:00 |
ryouma | morgues, cars in parking lot at a time at mortuaries, foia, ... | 03:01 |
snake | <snake> im currently trying to decide if i need to buy goggles to go with my respirator or if my glasses will be good enough | 03:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: White House objects to demands for more spending on coronavirus testing, tracing → https://is.gd/Qxabxh | 03:24 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, not entirely sure who these guys are and what their motives may be, but https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/half-chinese-n95-face-mask-fail-standards-unreliable/ looks interesting to me, and maybe to you | 03:32 |
LjL | snake, i would wear wide glasses | 03:32 |
LjL | there is little doubt that goggles are theoretically safer | 03:33 |
LjL | i guess one non-safety advantage of googles is that they don't get all clouded by your breath coming from the mask | 03:33 |
LjL | which shouldn't happen, because it means the mask has bad fit if it does, but well, it does happen | 03:33 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne makes face coverings mandatory from Wednesday as global deaths pass 600,000: New measure comes into force at 11.59pm on Wednesday as city announces 363 new cases; global deaths pass 600,000 ; Sydney to limit overseas arrivals to 350 per day from Monday ; Restrictions tightened in Barcelona . [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 03:34 |
LjL | 600,000, wasn't that more or less the number that some people were saying "sometimes 600,000 people die from the flu in one year!" | 03:34 |
LjL | can we officially call it not-a-flu now | 03:34 |
LjL | under the assumption people aren't going to stop dying tomorrow | 03:35 |
snake | LjL, is that globally? 600k flu | 03:35 |
LjL | i think so, but it's only based on my memory of people saying things | 03:35 |
snake | oh yeah if it were a country... | 03:36 |
snake | that'd be worse anyways LOL | 03:36 |
LjL | it would be pretty damned large for a single country | 03:36 |
LjL | depending on the country, of course, but still | 03:36 |
tinwhiskers | that's pretty poor for the KN95 masks, and has been reported elsewhere. My only problem is they didn't also test masks made elsewhere (US, EU) that are supposedly good so we don't really know if their test rig was fair and what the "normal" failure rate is. | 03:37 |
ryouma | LjL: they try to sell cheap air purifiers to asia. air purifier mfrs are really shady. they just take a filter and slap it on a fan. this is for pollution. | 03:37 |
LjL | hmm | 03:38 |
tinwhiskers | But it's not exactly surprising that some Chinese manufacturers do a shoddy job. | 03:38 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, they weren't testing specifically KN95 masks, they were also testing masks rated N95, just from China | 03:38 |
snake | my dad and i both bought some respirator "madks" off amazon.. from a 3rd party | 03:38 |
ryouma | forget what i just said too confuisign and i am not up to making it not so | 03:38 |
snake | lets hope its not garbage.. if not i will demand a refund | 03:38 |
tinwhiskers | yeah, I only said that because the Chinese standard is KN95, but ok. | 03:38 |
snake | i didnt notice the title had a typo in it (madks) until after I ordered them lol | 03:39 |
LjL | "The air purifier industry is one of the most opaque industries in the world. Companies charge obscene amounts for technology that was invented over 70 years ago. Smart Air was created to combat this and provide simple, open and honest purifiers and data to air breathers around the world. Being a B Corp is just one way of showing how we’re different." | 03:40 |
LjL | ryouma, why, what you said seemed pretty straightforward | 03:40 |
ryouma | my referents were not clear | 03:40 |
yuriwho | most air "purifiers" are crap. Hepa filters work though | 03:40 |
ryouma | both what message i was referring to and the pronouns | 03:40 |
LjL | well the air purifier i used to have contained a HEPA filter :P | 03:41 |
yuriwho | we use HEPA filters in the research labs | 03:41 |
ryouma | ok let me try. commercial hepa purifier companies for consumer markets, including the high end 1000usd ones, are really unethical in their data reporting etc. what smartairfilters claims to do is bypass that, be a social enterprise, and make cheap air purifiers out of off the shelf components. | 03:41 |
yuriwho | and exchange the air in the rooms every 2 mins | 03:42 |
yuriwho | HVAC gets expensive | 03:42 |
LjL | ryouma, i wonder if their blog about masks should also be taken with a grain of salt, or conversely, they are basically offering that stuff as a way to attract people to their website, and the content is accurate | 03:43 |
ryouma | dunno. i corresponded with the owner at one point. he gave me a spec i asked for. | 03:44 |
ryouma | he was at harvard, noticed pollution in asia, thought he'd do that. or something. idk if i buy the b corporation thing but whatever. | 03:45 |
ryouma | (i.e. he was a chinese studying at harvard or something like that) | 03:45 |
LjL | oh you talked to the owner? that's a funny twist | 03:45 |
ryouma | i have not read the mask stuff | 03:46 |
ryouma | this is all from memory | 03:46 |
LjL | did he seem like a reasonably honest person from the way he discussed, although i get that corresponding is not the same as physically talking | 03:46 |
LjL | he's basically bashing the current masks from China, well, 42% of them, although he won't give company names | 03:47 |
ryouma | not enough data to tell. but if you look at the site i think he's interested in measuring thigns and stuff. | 03:47 |
LjL | yeah the blog entries i read sounded that way | 03:47 |
LjL | didn't just seem material copypasted from elsewhere to make the company sound technical | 03:47 |
ryouma | no definitely not that | 03:48 |
ryouma | adn most companies ARE that | 03:48 |
LjL | certainly some are | 03:49 |
snake | LjL, you know i think stopping fog is impossible, i used a regular surgical type mask i got from walmart ($15 for 25 masks) and it has the bendy thing | 03:50 |
snake | still fog | 03:50 |
LjL | snake, "the bendy thing" doesn't work very well with most of them | 03:50 |
LjL | honestly i don't know if there are types that actually work | 03:50 |
snake | lol shit | 03:50 |
LjL | that site i'm talking about with ryouma seems to rate certain 3M masks as good fits | 03:50 |
LjL | let me get the relevant article again | 03:50 |
snake | ok | 03:51 |
ryouma | my n95 are moldex. are they mentioned? | 03:52 |
LjL | snake, https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/do-pollution-masks-work/ it's an older article about filtering pollution, obviously pollution doesn't apply here (except for that Bergamo study that found viral RNA on PM2.5), but the fit test still does | 03:52 |
LjL | so ignore masks that simply aren't N95 or higher | 03:52 |
LjL | ryouma, moldex isn't mentioned | 03:52 |
ryouma | question is if uyou can trust niosh | 03:53 |
LjL | honestly i may have given too little attention to finding good masks | 03:53 |
LjL | i have basically assumed there's no chance to find good ones in italy after what happened | 03:53 |
LjL | and it's a crapshot | 03:53 |
snake | the masks i got supposedly filter 0.03 microns | 03:53 |
LjL | but maybe some research would change that | 03:53 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia: Victoria reports three more deaths and 363 new cases as masks made mandatory in Melbourne → https://is.gd/pr4VCi | 03:53 |
LjL | snake, yes that's the standard N95 are measured on | 03:53 |
snake | (the respirator masks) | 03:53 |
LjL | doesn't mean much per se | 03:53 |
snake | https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CGQJL53 | 03:54 |
snake | "Unisex Sports Madks Reusable Washable Mouth Face Masc With Activated Carbon Fliters, 2 Pack_Blue" | 03:54 |
LjL | ryouma, on that particular page they mostly mention a bunch of 3M models, and then random "bike masks"... because it's a page about pollution masks after all | 03:54 |
LjL | ryouma, if anything their blog sometimes sounds a bit like an ad for 3M (which may be suspicious given they say 3M gave them access to their China lab to do some of their tests) | 03:54 |
ryouma | i thoght masks were just not available anywhere. what kinds are? | 03:55 |
LjL | ryouma, masks are available again here, but it's hard to tell what exactly you're buying. the government has allowed a number of previously-unrelated companies to make "general population" masks, which are price-capped at 50 cents, and as i understand it, have NO testing or certification whatsoever | 03:55 |
ryouma | the question is whether a manufacturer like moldex, which says niosh certified n95, measures up to the spec. | 03:56 |
LjL | then it's sometimes possible to buy KN95, and possibly surgical, although it's hard to tell real surgical from the "50 cents masks" | 03:56 |
ryouma | so these are cloth masks and such? | 03:56 |
ryouma | i guess i'd bettter chech amazon | 03:56 |
LjL | ryouma, sometimes they have a meltblown filter | 03:56 |
LjL | but that was in short supply last i checked | 03:56 |
LjL | if i search for "ffp2" on amazon.it i mostly get KN95 masks | 03:57 |
LjL | honestly, this may not sound very ##covid-19-founder-like, but what i'm using on a daily basis are my mom's double or triple cotton cloth sewn masks | 03:58 |
ryouma | i think we still have an order for surgical masks (real certified ones of some type as opposed to the term for "square masks that go around face and loop on ears") on amazon that we ordered back early in the pandemic and are still shipping from china. presumably by being carried on the back of a pro swimmer swimming across the pacific. | 03:58 |
ryouma | kn95? that's the same as ffp2 and n95 right? that's amazing. we are back to normal where you can get a real respirator? | 03:59 |
snake | LjL, that can stop a lot of droplets potentially, maybe not all, but a lot | 03:59 |
snake | or maybe all, maybe your mom is really good at sewing | 04:00 |
ryouma | does decontaminating groceries, unpacking them, moving them around, etc. pose a risk of droplets or aerosols? | 04:00 |
yuriwho | not really | 04:00 |
LjL | ryouma, on paper it's pretty much the same but the smartairfilters page says that almost half of the China-made N95 or KN95 (irrelevant which) they tested failed *blatantly* | 04:00 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Association between consumption of vegetables and COVID-19 mortality at a country level in Europe (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.17.20155846v1 | https://redd.it/htjmfy | 04:01 |
yuriwho | I do not clean packages or groceries besides running fruits and veggies under the tap with a little soap | 04:01 |
ryouma | i have also heard that masks are ont what they say. i took this as niosh certification spec not met, or equivalent eu or asia. | 04:01 |
yuriwho | there are a lot on uncertified masks | 04:02 |
yuriwho | lot of | 04:02 |
LjL | snake, well, in practice we've not done this, but she's made some masks with a "pocket" to put in a filter, that is itself made of this "non-vowen fabric" material, which according to her own research, is a somewhat effective filter | 04:02 |
LjL | i mean, in practice we've not done this, as we haven't actually put the fabric filters in them | 04:02 |
LjL | note that not just masks, but items *use to* make masks at home were in very short supply on amazon | 04:04 |
LjL | we managed to buy passable elastic bands by sheer luck | 04:04 |
LjL | this is the filtering material we have https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00I2K0FZ0/ | 04:04 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne makes face coverings mandatory from Wednesday as global deaths pass 600,000: New measure comes into force at 11.59pm on Wednesday as city announces 363 new cases; New South Wales records 18 new cases ; global deaths pass 600,000 ; restrictions tightened in Barcelona . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 04:12 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Kyrgyzstan: +11505 cases (now 24606), +727 deaths (now 900) since a day ago — World: +85966 cases (now 14.5 million), +2833 deaths (now 605365) since 5 hours ago — Mexico: +7615 cases (now 338913), +578 deaths (now 38888) since a day ago — Guatemala: +4233 cases (now 38042), +6 deaths (now 1449) since a day ago | 04:15 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Oklahoma Gov. “Shocked” To Test Positive For COVID-19 Despite Not Wearing A Mask (10110 votes) | https://nowthisnews.com/news/oklahoma-gov-kevin-stitt-shocked-to-test-positive-for-covid-19-despite-not-wearing-a-mask | https://redd.it/htn7c7 | 04:48 |
ryouma | "Results Of all the variables considered, including confounders, only head cabbage and cucumber reached statistical significance with the COVID-19 death rate per country. For each g/day increase in the average national consumption of some of the vegetables (head cabbage and cucumber), the mortality risk for COVID-19 decreased by a factor of 11, down to 13.6 %. Lettuce consumption increased COVID-19 mortality." | 04:50 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: WHO reports record single-day global increase in cases. The number of new cases of coronavirus rose by almost 260,000 in 24 hours - the largest single-day increase since the pandemic began, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday. (xp from r/worldpolitics2) → https://is.gd/Q7uCcC | 04:51 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne makes face coverings mandatory from Wednesday as global deaths pass 600,000: New measure comes into force at 11.59pm on Wednesday as city announces 363 new cases; New South Wales records 18 new cases ; global deaths pass 600,000 ; restrictions tightened in Barcelona . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 05:00 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: South Africa now 5th in world for coronavirus infections → https://is.gd/gu9NNu | 06:37 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne makes face coverings mandatory from Wednesday as global deaths pass 600,000: New measure comes into force at 11.59pm on Wednesday as city announces 363 new cases; New South Wales records 18 new cases ; global deaths pass 600,000 ; restrictions tightened in Barcelona . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 06:46 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Christianity: Bells to ring out at Southwark cathedral for first time since lockdown → https://is.gd/k5RD3A | 07:15 |
Flaviker | covid! Bulgaria | 07:24 |
Flaviker | covid! | 07:24 |
Flaviker | wtf? | 07:24 |
Flaviker | how its workdfd | 07:28 |
Flaviker | ?? | 07:28 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne makes face coverings mandatory from Wednesday as global deaths pass 600,000: New measure comes into force at 11.59pm on Wednesday as city announces 363 new cases; New South Wales records 18 new cases ; global deaths pass 600,000 ; restrictions tightened in Barcelona . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 07:35 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia: Victoria reports three more deaths and 363 new cases as masks made mandatory in Melbourne → https://is.gd/pr4VCi | 07:44 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Global report: Face masks to be mandatory in Melbourne as worldwide Covid-19 deaths pass 600,000 → https://is.gd/fijN3z | 08:03 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Vermont Goes 30+ Days with No COVID-19 Deaths (10164 votes) | https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2020/07/17/vermont-goes-30-days-no-covid-19-deaths/5432416002 | https://redd.it/htpstp | 08:08 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Victoria: three more deaths and 363 new cases reported as masks made mandatory in Melbourne → https://is.gd/pr4VCi | 08:13 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne steps up Covid-19 response as South Africa cases top 350,000: Australian city’s residents must wear face coverings from Wednesday , as 363 new cases announced; global deaths pass 600,000; EU debates stimulus plan. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 08:32 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus Global Updates, 19 July: Record spike in cases for the second day; Bolsonaro says restrictions ‘suffocated’ Brazil’s economy → https://is.gd/oSwGF9 | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne steps up Covid-19 response as South Africa cases top 350,000: Australian city’s residents must wear face coverings from Wednesday ; global deaths pass 600,000 ; South Africa’s cases become fifth-highest worldwide . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 09:01 |
bigbluecloud | %cases bulgaria | 09:07 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +2036 cases (now 58138), +57 deaths (now 2106) since a day ago — World: +10976 cases (now 14.5 million), +196 deaths (now 605561) since 5 hours ago — Honduras: +1048 cases (now 32793), +34 deaths (now 891) since a day ago — Japan: +814 cases (now 24946), +1 deaths (now 986) since 5 hours ago | 09:07 |
Brainstorm | bigbluecloud: In Bulgaria, there have been 8638 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 299 deaths (3.5% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 196479 tests were performed (4.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Bulgaria for time series data. | 09:07 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson 'does not want second national lockdown' → https://is.gd/EsYXxG | 09:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Melbourne steps up Covid-19 response as South Africa cases top 350,000: Australian city’s residents must wear face coverings from Wednesday ; global deaths pass 600,000 ; South Africa’s cases become fifth-highest worldwide . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 09:30 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson 'does not want second national lockdown' → https://is.gd/EsYXxG | 10:27 |
ap4lmtree | i got 140 POWECOM kn95 mask for about $280 | 10:35 |
ap4lmtree | 294 | 10:35 |
ap4lmtree | what are people talking aout mask shortages? i got plenty | 10:36 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UK infection rate 'basically flat', says ONS head; South Africa cases top 350,000 → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 10:37 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK news: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson insists he can avoid second England-wide lockdown → https://is.gd/IXa3E3 | 11:25 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson 'does not want second national lockdown' → https://is.gd/EsYXxG | 11:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israelis protest against Netanyahu, gov’t handling of COVID-19 crisis → https://is.gd/KsWUiT | 11:44 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UK infection rate 'basically flat', says ONS head; South Africa cases top 350,000 → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 11:53 |
ap4lmtree | trump is a horrible leader | 12:13 |
ap4lmtree | he advocates and leads to things that are against peoples best interest and against peoples health | 12:13 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Gasping, afraid and alone — Would we take the pandemic more seriously if we understood what it’s like to die a COVID-19 death? → https://is.gd/7iBVTm | 12:41 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: Record 100 new daily cases confirmed in Hong Kong; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth-highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 13:01 |
ap4lmtree | is the usa the only country where wearing a mask is so politicla? | 13:16 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Study: Middle and high schoolers can spread coronavirus as effectively as adults → https://is.gd/4m6vvw | 13:58 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 conspiracy sites won’t be able to make money with Google ads → https://is.gd/gNozqC | 14:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump White House reportedly seeks to defund coronavirus testing and tracing – live: White House reportedly against billions for pandemic efforts More than 3.7 million cases in US and 140,000 dead Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 14:27 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: Record 100 new daily cases confirmed in Hong Kong; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth-highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 14:46 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump White House reportedly seeks to defund coronavirus testing and tracing – live: White House reportedly against billions for pandemic efforts More than 3.7 million cases in US and 140,000 dead Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 14:55 |
armin | 🦠 | 15:11 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid-19 misinformation is everywhere, but it could have been much worse: Covid-19 has taken over our lives, but it hasn't been around for very long. Scientists have been studying it in real-time as the world collectively goes through a traumatic, world-changing event. It's killed more than half a million people—and we don't [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/qzuL4m | 15:15 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein hijacks VEGF-A/Neuropilin-1 receptor signaling to induce analgesia (80 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.17.209288v1 | https://redd.it/htxj7t | 15:17 |
Jigsy | %cases UK | 15:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +34062 cases (now 14.5 million), +822 deaths (now 606383) since 6 hours ago — India: +7719 cases (now 1.1 million), +113 deaths (now 26951) since 6 hours ago — Russia: +6109 cases (now 771546), +95 deaths (now 12342) since a day ago — Serbia: +396 cases (now 20894), +11 deaths (now 472) since 23 hours ago | 15:52 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 294066 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 45273 deaths (15.4% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 12.7 million tests were performed (2.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 15:52 |
kreyren | Apparently czechia has developed a cure for covid-19 that seems to be reliable | 15:53 |
kreyren | can't find too much info about it though | 15:53 |
kreyren | apparently relevant https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(20)30118-3/fulltext | 15:57 |
kreyren | was told that it's murican firm that operates on czech ground and sends the part of the cure in germany for mixing and packaging to be redistributed elsewhere? | 15:58 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: Record 100 new daily cases confirmed in Hong Kong; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth-highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 16:02 |
kreyren | Found the article it's in czech though https://www.lidovky.cz/domov/vakcina-firmy-novavax-se-asi-bude-plnit-v-nemecku-rekl-prymula-urcite-davky-by-se-podle-nej-do-ceska.A200719_105014_ln_domov_ele tldr it's firm Novavax which is allegedly USA-based that is creating a part of the vaccine on czech ground to be then sent in germany to be mixed with some kind of steroid from switzerland and packaged | 16:11 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: 'Almost half' of Blackburn Covid-19 contacts not reached → https://is.gd/V9EOmX | 16:12 |
kreyren | ^ Warning: The firm might be a stock scam | 16:15 |
kreyren | ahh above the brainstorm reference | 16:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump says he takes responsibility over Covid-19 as Biden enjoys large poll lead: President insists he takes ‘responsibility always for everything’ Biden holds 20-point lead over who to trust to handle virus US politics – live coverage Joe Biden leads Donald Trump by 15% among registered voters nationally and holds a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BEr6cq | 16:22 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump White House reportedly seeks to defund coronavirus testing and tracing – live: White House reportedly against billions for pandemic efforts More than 3.7 million cases in US and 140,000 dead Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 16:31 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: Record 100 new daily cases confirmed in Hong Kong; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth-highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 16:51 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump says top coronavirus expert Fauci is 'a little bit of an alarmist' – live: President insists he has a good relationship with Fauci Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him 3.53pm BST → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 17:00 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson 'does not want second national lockdown' → https://is.gd/EsYXxG | 17:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China stops publishing Uighur birth rate as the minority population growth rate descends into negatives amid forced sterilization and ethnic cleansing. → https://is.gd/jHYqZs | 17:58 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump says top coronavirus expert Fauci is 'a little bit of an alarmist' – live: President insists he has a good relationship with Fauci Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him 4.54pm BST → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 18:08 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Study: Middle and high schoolers can spread coronavirus as effectively as adults (10430 votes) | https://www.axios.com/childen-coronavirus-spread-schools-d925b7c3-0d74-4242-a4a1-d72d5d7696f5.html | https://redd.it/htz3ys | 18:31 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Potential Covid-19 cluster in Lanarkshire: BBC Scotland understands officials are investigating a potential outbreak at a test and trace call centre. → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 18:56 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Ted Baker: Ted Baker to cut 500 jobs as pandemic losses add to financial woe → https://is.gd/frUNgA | 19:05 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump calls Fauci 'alarmist' in Fox News Sunday interview – live: President insists he has a good relationship with Fauci Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him 6.15pm BST → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 19:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Axing jobseeker Covid-19 payment would push 650,000 Australians into poverty, thinktank reports → https://is.gd/9f0qS5 | 19:34 |
Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network *: ljl-covid: Add Guardian's granular UK tracker → https://is.gd/PhJjjO | 19:53 |
kreyren | %cases czechia | 20:01 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +67649 cases (now 14.6 million), +972 deaths (now 607355) since 4 hours ago — India: +30137 cases (now 1.1 million), +551 deaths (now 27502) since 4 hours ago — US: +26444 cases (now 3.9 million), +171 deaths (now 143054) since 4 hours ago — South Carolina, US: +2374 cases (now 69986), +20 deaths (now 1155) since 21 hours ago | 20:01 |
Brainstorm | kreyren: In Czechia, there have been 13902 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 359 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of 13 minutes ago. 610642 tests were performed (2.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Czechia for time series data. | 20:01 |
kreyren | Seems that czechia is experiencing (or will experience) a 2nd wave of covid-19 worse then the first one | 20:03 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump calls Fauci 'alarmist' in Fox News Sunday interview – live: President insists he has a good relationship with Fauci Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him 6.50pm BST → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 20:13 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Divorces have increased during the Coronavirus pandemic and lawyers are expecting more → https://is.gd/c7wkhu | 20:32 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: British Museum: Back-garden archaeology: Britons unearth artefacts during lockdown → https://is.gd/s7KB2o | 20:41 |
TitoCmg | helloo | 20:47 |
LjL | hiiiii | 20:47 |
TitoCmg | nice to mee you | 20:47 |
LjL | nice to you me! | 20:48 |
LjL | well at least it was an interaction | 20:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: France to issue fines for breaches of mask rules; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 20:51 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Potential Covid-19 cluster in Lanarkshire: BBC Scotland understands officials are investigating a potential outbreak at a test and trace call centre. → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 21:01 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: How important is obesity as a risk factor for respiratory failure, intensive care admission and death in hospitalised COVID-19 patients? Results from a single Italian centre. (80 votes) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32674071/ | https://redd.it/htwf3b | 21:15 |
MikeJoel | %cases US | 21:23 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Louisiana, US: +3116 cases (now 91706), +34 deaths (now 3545) since a day ago — World: +27086 cases (now 14.6 million), +280 deaths (now 607635) since an hour ago — South Africa: +13449 cases (now 364328), +85 deaths (now 5033) since 23 hours ago — US: +9191 cases (now 3.9 million), +112 deaths (now 143166) since an hour ago | 21:23 |
Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In US, there have been 3.9 million confirmed cases (1.2% of the population) and 143166 deaths (3.7% of cases) as of 5 minutes ago. 45.6 million tests were performed (8.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 7.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 21:23 |
MikeJoel | wow 45.6 million tests | 21:24 |
MikeJoel | %cases EU | 21:24 |
Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In Reunion, there have been 628 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 3 deaths (0.5% of cases) as of an hour ago. 35419 tests were performed (1.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected) and less than 0.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Reunion for time series data. | 21:24 |
MikeJoel | 35 thousand?! | 21:25 |
MikeJoel | %cases UK | 21:25 |
Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In United Kingdom, there have been 294792 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 45300 deaths (15.4% of cases) as of an hour ago. 12.7 million tests were performed (2.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 21:25 |
MikeJoel | So it is true. The United States is showing such large case numbers because they have tested way more than the others. | 21:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Ohio heading in the wrong direction and 'could become Florida' as coronavirus surges, governor warns: Ohio Republican Gov. Mike DeWine said Sunday that while his administration has stopped short of issuing a statewide mask ordinance, he says he's not ruling out implementing that step as coronavirus cases continue to surge in the state. → https://is.gd/L5ynNl | 21:29 |
ubLIX[m] | It is true that testing has reveled such large numbers of cases because the US has not controlled its epidemic. | 21:37 |
MikeJoel | ubLIX: how did you come to that conclusion? | 21:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: France to issue fines for breaches of mask rules; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 21:39 |
MikeJoel | ubLIX: I do not see any evidence to say any such thing. In fact with the huge amount of testing the death rate is only 3.69% compared to EU of 2.72% | 21:42 |
MikeJoel | The overall world death rate is 4.16% | 21:43 |
MikeJoel | UK 15.36% | 21:43 |
MikeJoel | So ? Factually it looks like the US did a better job then most | 21:43 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4328 cases (now 14.6 million), +62 deaths (now 607697) since 27 minutes ago — US: +3329 cases (now 3.9 million), +6 deaths (now 143172) since 27 minutes ago — Georgia (US), US: +3251 cases (now 143123), +5 deaths (now 3173) since 23 hours ago — Sudan: +310 cases (now 10992), +20 deaths (now 693) since a day ago | 21:45 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Oregon, US: +430 cases (now 14579), +3 deaths (now 260) since 17 hours ago — World: +3773 cases (now 14.6 million), +8 deaths (now 607705) since 17 minutes ago — US: +3107 cases (now 3.9 million), +5 deaths (now 143177) since 17 minutes ago — California, US: +1724 cases (now 384692) since 17 hours ago | 21:51 |
MikeJoel | your realize that if the average covid test is 99% accurate (which that is a laugh) that would mean about 1/2 million false positives | 21:54 |
LjL | MikeJoel, you realize that people are tested when they are symptomatic or contacts or otherwise already suspected of having COVID, so calculating that as if you were just sampling the general population makes no sense? | 21:55 |
MikeJoel | LjL: Actually America is well past only testing people with symptoms | 21:56 |
Arsanerit | is that why cases go up more than fatalities? | 21:57 |
LjL | if you read what i wrote in full i didn't write that only people with symptoms are getting tested | 21:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Ohio heading in the wrong direction and 'could become Florida' as coronavirus surges, governor warns: Ohio Republican Gov. Mike DeWine said Sunday that while his administration has stopped short of issuing a statewide mask ordinance, he says he's not ruling out implementing that step as coronavirus cases continue to surge in the state. → https://is.gd/L5ynNl | 21:59 |
LjL | Arsanerit, the reason fatalities aren't going up is twofold: 1) they lag behind cases a lot, more than you would expect from simple "average time to die", for some reason, but we've observed that in other countries so whatever the reason, it's consistent, and 2) i suspect the move to control data dissemination from the white house will mean (while many are expecting it to mean that *cases* will taper) that *deaths* will taper | 21:59 |
LjL | if you look at the death graph for the US as a whole just now, you may see hints that it's *just about* starting to spike | 21:59 |
MikeJoel | LjL: LjL...."or otherwise already suspected of having COVID," | 21:59 |
LjL | so the timing is interesting | 21:59 |
MikeJoel | look 45,600,000 tests performed. 3,877,501 cases.... that leaves 41,722,499 cases that were NOT covid19 | 21:59 |
LjL | MikeJoel, or contacts of symptomatics | 21:59 |
LjL | MikeJoel, that also includes tests that were performed multiple times on the same person | 22:00 |
Arsanerit | LjL: it seems deaths in some states are at record highs (CA, AZ, TX, FL) | 22:00 |
MikeJoel | LjL: Tests are being performed on people who do not have symptoms and who have no known contact with covid patients | 22:00 |
LjL | Arsanerit, yes, but they will get worse | 22:00 |
Arsanerit | LjL: I know. They have messed up. | 22:00 |
MikeJoel | Arsanerit: No, LjL is wrong | 22:01 |
LjL | MikeJoel, and these people are being chosen randomly? | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | MikeJoel: That'd be unusual. How? | 22:01 |
LjL | MikeJoel, actually Arsanerit has said nothing about what *i* said, they simply stated something they observed themselves | 22:01 |
LjL | again if you read | 22:01 |
LjL | take some time to read before writing | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | At Frankfurt Airport anyone can get a test, symptoms or not, contacts or not, depending on how much you pay you get result in 3 or 7 hours. This is useful for travellers who need a recent negative test as a condition of entering a foreign country. | 22:02 |
Arsanerit | By this method alone they apparently test positively 5-7 people per day who had no clue. | 22:02 |
genera | john campbell mentioned on his last podcast one Governor testing positive. maybe that will start a change | 22:03 |
LjL | Oklahoma | 22:04 |
LjL | he was "shocked" to be the first governor testing positive | 22:04 |
LjL | for... some reason | 22:04 |
LjL | i guess the same reason why Italy was "shocked" to be the first European countries getting an outbreak | 22:04 |
LjL | namely not understanding that when you know it's going to happen to someone, that someone may well be you | 22:04 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head: France to issue fines for breaches of mask rules; UK’s head of Office for National Statistics calls for scaling up of testing ; South Africa’s cases become fifth highest worldwide → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 22:08 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Ohio heading in the wrong direction and 'could become Florida' as coronavirus surges, governor warns: Ohio Republican Gov. Mike DeWine said Sunday that while his administration has stopped short of issuing a statewide mask ordinance, he says he's not ruling out implementing that step as coronavirus cases continue to surge in the state. → https://is.gd/L5ynNl | 22:27 |
Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network *: Change link to cross-reactivity study to one that actually works: The Cell link may work but I mangled it with Markdown stuff; this is the same study anyway → https://is.gd/CFcrqg | 22:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We need to close down' — Florida reports more than 10,000 coronavirus cases for fifth day → https://is.gd/biBvLb | 23:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump calls Fauci 'alarmist' in Fox News Sunday interview – live: President insists he has a good relationship with Fauci Trump’s strategy: paint Biden as puppet of ‘radical left’ Robert Reich: Donald Trump has unified America – against him 10.02pm BST → https://is.gd/wHrr9j | 23:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We need to close down' — Florida reports more than 10,000 coronavirus cases for fifth day → https://is.gd/biBvLb | 23:34 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Outbreak investigated at contact tracing centre: Sitel says it is "urgently investigating" a local outbreak at its Motherwell test and trace centre. → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 23:44 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Social distancing alters the clinical course of COVID-19 in young adults: A comparative cohort study (93 votes) | https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciaa889 | https://redd.it/hu69v5 | 23:47 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +32994 cases (now 14.7 million), +748 deaths (now 608453) since 2 hours ago — Brazil: +21754 cases (now 2.1 million), +617 deaths (now 79488) since 4 hours ago — US: +9037 cases (now 3.9 million), +49 deaths (now 143226) since 2 hours ago — Texas, US: +4439 cases (now 334940), +28 deaths (now 4035) since 19 hours ago | 23:54 |
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