| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia live update: outbreaks in Batemans Bay and Colac as Victoria hotel quarantine inquiry kicks – latest news → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 00:03 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We need to close down' — Florida reports more than 10,000 coronavirus cases for fifth day → https://is.gd/biBvLb | 00:22 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia live update: outbreaks in Batemans Bay and Colac as Victoria hotel quarantine inquiry kicks – latest news → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 00:32 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Oxford University's team 'absolutely on track', coronavirus vaccine likely to be available by September (10207 votes) | https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/good-news/coronavirus-vaccine-by-september-oxford-university-trial-on-track-astrazeneca-634907 | https://redd.it/hu46cp | 00:47 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/hu2lwn/italys_lombardy_once_the_epicenter_of_the/fykzpao/ idiot voters | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: cases spreading out of control in Hong Kong; UK infection rate flat, says ONS head → https://is.gd/YDrKEt | 01:20 |
| LjL | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hong%20Kong doesn't look good, despite still low death rate | 01:29 |
| LjL | and aside from looking bad because the data just are bad | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'We need to close down' — Florida reports more than 10,000 coronavirus cases for fifth day → https://is.gd/jRXJDu | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia live update: outbreaks in Batemans Bay and Colac as Victoria hotel quarantine inquiry kicks off – latest news → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 01:39 |
| snake | i just read an article that the valve on the masks i bought (didnt arrive yet) is a compromise... the mask will protect me but not others if i have the virus | 01:45 |
| LjL | snake, that's correct although i think it will protect others more than wearing *no* mask | 01:46 |
| LjL | depending on where you are, though, people may shun you for wearing a "selfish" mask, at least that's what they've been nicknamed here | 01:46 |
| LjL | to be honest, N95 or similar masks are entirely terrible to breathe in for extended periods of time and/or in the summer | 01:46 |
| snake | what if everyone wore a selfish mask? | 01:46 |
| snake | then we'd be covered :P | 01:46 |
| LjL | there wouldn't be enough for everyone, for sure | 01:46 |
| LjL | we don't even have enough surgical masks | 01:47 |
| snake | if everyone took care of themselves then everyone would be taken care of | 01:47 |
| ryouma | just tape the valve | 01:47 |
| LjL | snake, those masks aren't *available* here, haven't really been since March | 01:47 |
| snake | LjL, there are reusable one with carbon filter inserts | 01:47 |
| LjL | lol | 01:47 |
| snake | ryouma, will it still work? | 01:47 |
| ryouma | yes | 01:47 |
| LjL | you obviously don't live in Italy snake | 01:47 |
| LjL | we can mostly just get the price-capped 50 cent masks | 01:47 |
| ryouma | which is why i said it :) | 01:47 |
| snake | LjL, no i dont | 01:47 |
| snake | LjL, i gotchu | 01:48 |
| ryouma | https://unherd.com/2020/07/is-there-really-a-covid-mental-health-crisis/ | 01:48 |
| snake | send me ur PO box i will buy you sum and just pay me back ok? | 01:48 |
| LjL | snake, any place that has been hit heavily will have shortages of masks, and N95 or similar will be mostly reserved for medical workers (and/or hoarded unethically) | 01:48 |
| LjL | snake, i'm fine, my mom sewed masks with cotton and "non-woven fabric" filters inside! | 01:49 |
| snake | ok :) | 01:49 |
| LjL | actually i managed to buy a grand total of ONE mask with a valve, once | 01:49 |
| ubLIX | "snake what if everyone wore a selfish mask?" - the value of the masks is (substantially) in preventing emission, not in preventing egress | 01:49 |
| LjL | relatively early in the epidemic, but still strange i found one | 01:49 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i have no idea what you just said | 01:49 |
| ubLIX | s/egress/ingress/ | 01:49 |
| LjL | oh | 01:49 |
| LjL | ubLIX, in the case of those masks with valves, the value is substantially in preventing ingress | 01:50 |
| LjL | they are always N95 or higher grade, not surgical or lower | 01:50 |
| ubLIX | which, while true, is substantially irrelevant for epidemiological purposes | 01:50 |
| snake | %cases pennsylvania | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | snake: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 105384 confirmed cases (0.8% of the population) and 7084 deaths (6.7% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 969757 tests were performed (10.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:51 |
| LjL | ubLIX, why? i mean snake is right, if everyone wore N95 or higher during any interaction, it would be substantially as good as everyone wearing surgical, or better | 01:51 |
| LjL | it's just that those masks cost much more and therefore are going to be much rarer | 01:51 |
| LjL | or vice versa | 01:51 |
| snake | ubLIX, i'll switch to the altruistic mask if everyone is wearing one at the bonfire | 01:52 |
| snake | otherwise, i'll wear the selfish one | 01:52 |
| ubLIX | N95+unfiltered exhaust valve better than surgical mask? | 01:52 |
| ryouma | for which purpose? | 01:54 |
| LjL | snake, i would recommend good surgical masks next time you buy them (how to make sure they're "good"? honestly ask someone else, i haven't figured it out yet). on paper, they are not as effective as N95, but supposedly N95 masks become much less effective when wet, and they *are* going to get wet when you breathe into them for a long time... the ones with valve will avoid that to some extent, but in my limited experience only a small extent. decent | 01:54 |
| LjL | surgical masks, on the other hand, instead of being made of just one material like N95 masks, have an external fiber that's water-repellent, to stop the moisture from others, a meltblown filter in the middle, and a water-absorbent material on the inside to catch your humidity. they can be better to wear in practice overall. | 01:54 |
| ryouma | but you can tape valve. it does work. | 01:54 |
| LjL | ubLIX, if everyone wore one, sure, why not? | 01:55 |
| LjL | it's just unfeasible for everyone to wear one | 01:55 |
| ryouma | surgical have meltblown? | 01:55 |
| LjL | and healthcare workers need them instead | 01:55 |
| LjL | ryouma, afaik? | 01:55 |
| ryouma | i thought meltblown was the hepa-like substance | 01:55 |
| LjL | ryouma, even some of the 50 cent ones here were... trying... to get meltblown | 01:55 |
| LjL | well, if i'm wrong, then amend my statement to just say that there is a filtering material in the middle | 01:56 |
| LjL | point being, there are dedicated materials to take care of the moisture | 01:56 |
| ryouma | definietly, they are designed carefully | 01:56 |
| ryouma | i mean, for specific purposes | 01:56 |
| LjL | Wikipedia goes "Surgical masks are made of a nonwoven fabric created using a melt blowing process." | 01:57 |
| LjL | doesn't mean it's the *same* type of meltblown you might have in other kinds of mask, i don't know that. | 01:57 |
| ubLIX | snake: "if everyone ... at the bonfire" wtf does that even mean? | 01:58 |
| ryouma | ok great thanks for looking up | 01:59 |
| LjL | snake, in any case, definitely *don't* wear the mask with a valve if you're going to a healthcare facility where you're required to wear a mask. they may turn you down. | 01:59 |
| LjL | some healthcare workers wear an N95 with a valve *covered by* a surgical mask | 02:00 |
| LjL | that's mostly useful so that they can throw away the cheaper surgical after every patient, while conserving the more expensive mask for longer | 02:00 |
| LjL | my sister was asked to wear two masks stacked when she went to a clinic recently | 02:00 |
| snake | LjL, ok thanks for the tip | 02:00 |
| ryouma | they do not tape the valve? | 02:00 |
| snake | ubLIX, do you know what a bonfire is? | 02:01 |
| LjL | ryouma, not afaik, but that's taken care of by having he surgical on top | 02:01 |
| ryouma | some of that air goes around though | 02:01 |
| ubLIX | snake: ? | 02:01 |
| ryouma | so not in front of you which is good but still in the air | 02:01 |
| snake | this guy. lol | 02:02 |
| LjL | ryouma, they wear those things all day, they need to find some way to make it bearable. anyway, the standard alternative would be that normally they'd just be wearing a surgical mask, period. that can't be worse | 02:02 |
| ubLIX | kick snake | 02:02 |
| snake | ubLIX, try answering yes/no, moron :P | 02:02 |
| LjL | snake, calm the hell down | 02:02 |
| ryouma | LjL: sure just asking | 02:02 |
| LjL | snake, also don't insult people | 02:03 |
| LjL | snake, FWIW i also have no idea what that statement meant | 02:03 |
| LjL | i think i know what a bonfire is, but i don't really get what you were saying | 02:03 |
| snake | ok, i am actually going to a bonfire | 02:04 |
| snake | not today, but some other day | 02:04 |
| LjL | i think you were seeing "selfish" as opposite to "altruistic" in the sense that the "altruistic" mask wouldn't protect you, only others | 02:04 |
| LjL | but in fact if you just buy an N95 or similar without a valve, that's as "altruistic" as any mask without a valve, but also it protects yourself as much as the one with a valve | 02:04 |
| snake | yup, you got it | 02:05 |
| snake | that's what I meant | 02:05 |
| LjL | snake, well, we didn't know that, and it was pretty easy to interpret your statement as an idiom we weren't getting, or as sneering or something | 02:05 |
| snake | ubLIX, sorry I didn't understand which part you were asking about. I thought it was the part you wrote, not the part you omitted | 02:06 |
| snake | and sorry i misunderstood your ? and then reacted with an insult especially | 02:06 |
| ubLIX | i was trying to understand why you would so brazenly avow your indifference to your entire point of authorities' mandating masks in the first place | 02:07 |
| LjL | to be fair authorities recommended *against* using masks for a good part of our outbreak | 02:08 |
| ubLIX | and wtf bonfires had to do with anything | 02:08 |
| LjL | so if you don't mind, fuck authorities | 02:09 |
| snake | well i admitted that i'd rather protect myself than protect nobody | 02:09 |
| snake | but now i realize there are masks without a tradeoff | 02:09 |
| snake | plus i could probably just use tape over the valve? | 02:09 |
| LjL | yeah, ryouma said that a few times :P you can | 02:09 |
| snake | yes | 02:09 |
| LjL | although i still wouldn't recommend that if you're going somewhere where you are specifically asked to wear a mask | 02:10 |
| LjL | because they may not get it and just know that kind of mask isn't okay | 02:10 |
| yosemeti | masks are important | 02:10 |
| yosemeti | the valve thing is probably relatively minor compared to wearing a mask | 02:10 |
| LjL | quite possibly | 02:10 |
| LjL | even with a decent (but "layman") fit, you're going to have a lot of your breath come out from the top | 02:11 |
| LjL | (just try wearing any mask with glasses...) | 02:11 |
| LjL | a mask with a valve dumps it to the bottom | 02:11 |
| ryouma | my valves go straight out, unfortunately | 02:11 |
| ryouma | oh you mean the edges? | 02:11 |
| LjL | it's probably going to be similar or better (assuming it somehow makes it *all* go downwards rather than upwards, which is unlikely) | 02:11 |
| LjL | ryouma, oh, okay | 02:12 |
| LjL | no, nevermind in case the valve is straight out | 02:12 |
| LjL | the valves i've seen toss the air downwards | 02:12 |
| LjL | and others mentioned the same thing before so i kind of assumed they were all like that | 02:12 |
| ryouma | i wasn't aware that disposables did the downward thing | 02:13 |
| LjL | ryouma, to be fair mine was a friggin' €13 disposable | 02:14 |
| LjL | that's why i bought ONE | 02:14 |
| LjL | but then later they were selling bad and smelly KN95s for the same price, anyway | 02:15 |
| ryouma | smelly? :( | 02:15 |
| LjL | yeah | 02:15 |
| ryouma | not good for mcs | 02:15 |
| LjL | mcs? | 02:15 |
| ryouma | those who have to be cautious about stuff that they might react to | 02:15 |
| ryouma | btw i do know that one of the honeywell half faceplate goes straight and one of the 3m half faceplate goes down. however, this was designed to reduce fogging glasses and goggles and such, not for altruistic contagion purposes. (i was recommended teh honeywell for non-pandemic-related purposes, not sure the reason over 3m, and looked up both.) | 02:16 |
| ryouma | i do find that the half faceplates are quite annoying. the valves are just discs of rubber-like material and they get stuck so you end up breathing out through the filters, or there is a click and you have to exhale hard to get that. | 02:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Trump says Fauci 'alarmist'; Hong Kong makes masks mandatory indoors: South Africa Covid-19 deaths pass 5,000; UN makes urgent appeal for Sudan pandemic help; France to issue mask fines. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 02:18 |
| LjL | ryouma, i did feel that with my valved mask, it wasn't really aiding exhaling at all | 02:19 |
| snake | are paper towels n95? or are they n99? | 02:24 |
| LjL | they are definitely neither | 02:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: A Preceding Low-virulence Strain Pandemic Inducing Immunity Against COVID-19 (82 votes) | https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0352/v1 | https://redd.it/hu7cly | 02:24 |
| snake | holy shit its n23 | 02:24 |
| LjL | N95 and N99 are certifications, so if something isn't certified to be one of those things, they aren't those things | 02:25 |
| LjL | but also yeah, they are definitely not even nearly as effective | 02:25 |
| LjL | also, incidentally, a paper towel would be considered an acceptable face covering under the law here | 02:25 |
| LjL | and yet i'm pretty DAMNED sure that a mask with a downward exhaust valve would protect BOTH myself and others better | 02:25 |
| ryouma | there are masks designed so that you can put a paper towel in between layer 1 and 3 | 02:29 |
| ryouma | idk if that is brilliant or not useful | 02:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, a paper towel? i would assume that's to put in some actual filtering material (like usefully filtering) | 02:30 |
| ryouma | maks with valves were probably designed for construction workers and so on | 02:30 |
| snake | yeah my first masks had that, a pocket to put filter or paper towels | 02:30 |
| snake | have* | 02:31 |
| snake | still use them | 02:31 |
| ryouma | can anybody recommend an amazon mask (medical-but-not-considered-unethical or nonmedical) that would likely be acceptable at a medical institution that is good? | 02:33 |
| snake | i cannot, sorry | 02:37 |
| snake | didn't get mine yet (and its the one that has a valve so no good) | 02:37 |
| LjL | me neither, i wish i'd had the willpower to sift through Amazon and figure out what are signs of a mask being good, but i haven't | 02:37 |
| LjL | but also you should probably specify it's about the US ryouma because European Amazons would have entirely other items in general | 02:38 |
| ryouma | ah | 02:38 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Even People With Mild COVID-19 Symptoms Are Experiencing Long-Term Fatigue → https://is.gd/PE2mU3 | 02:41 |
| LjL | although all the comments to this on Reddit so far are either dismissive of this article, or irrelevant | 02:41 |
| LjL | but i'm pretty sure there's been a scientifically serious focus (would be about time) on long-term effects, with fatigue being clearly recognized, so... | 02:41 |
| eidetic | don't need no stinking CDC: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/administration-seeks-cdc-nih-funding-coronavirus-relief-bill/story?id=71868832 | 02:45 |
| ryouma | long covid is real | 02:45 |
| ryouma | there are better articles | 02:52 |
| LjL | but i don't understand the histerically bad response to this one article | 02:54 |
| LjL | what's so wrong with it? | 02:54 |
| LjL | the user on reddit who posted it, yes, it does keep posting articles from sciencealert | 02:54 |
| LjL | that may be annoying an unwarranted but the article itself...? | 02:55 |
| ryouma | it's goign tot ake a lot of typing, more than i can do, to go into the history of this | 02:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia live update: outbreaks in Batemans Bay and Colac as Victoria hotel quarantine inquiry kicks off – latest news → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 02:56 |
| ryouma | hysterically bad responses to such articles ahve occurred an wil occur | 03:00 |
| ryouma | s / articles / topics | 03:03 |
| LjL | ryouma, a couple of people have replied to me with plausible, and rather trivial, explanations though | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +17729 cases (now 14.7 million), +423 deaths (now 609426) since 2 hours ago — US: +8946 cases (now 3.9 million), +53 deaths (now 143289) since 2 hours ago — Mexico: +5311 cases (now 344224), +296 deaths (now 39184) since 23 hours ago — Texas, US: +3751 cases (now 339210), +23 deaths (now 4063) since 3 hours ago | 03:23 |
| ryouma | LjL what exactly is your question? maybe i can provide a short reponse. | 03:26 |
| LjL | ryouma, just why the article was so quickly downvoted and all the comments on it are negative. but it's been pointed out to me that it's littered with ads (which i simply did not see, as i've got ad blocking) and also with self-back-linking keywords, like "cancer", which are for dishonest SEO... which i simply hadn't noticed because i didn't know this | 03:27 |
| ryouma | oh the reddit article | 03:27 |
| ryouma | ok | 03:28 |
| LjL | the article linked on reddit about "long covid" yeah | 03:28 |
| LjL | not eidetic's article if that's the one you were thinking of | 03:28 |
| ryouma | i can't tell if you ar talking aobut a reddit post or an article by "by Frances Williams, The Conversation" (i cannot follow the reddit link but i noted the url and i have been following long covid enough to be able to look up a version of it on medicalxpress | 03:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, i'm talking about the reactions *on* reddit | 03:31 |
| LjL | which are like this | 03:31 |
| LjL | "This website is cancer. How can I take a science article seriously when it has been stuffed with links like this?" | 03:31 |
| LjL | and "This crummy article is at least based on an op-Ed written by a doctor in the Guardian. Still not a scientific article though" | 03:31 |
| LjL | also the sentence the article starts with, "People who have been seriously unwell and treated on intensive care units can expect to take some months to recover fully, regardless of their ailment.", turns out you can find it on many other websites, so this is probably a copypaste article that's circulating | 03:33 |
| ryouma | iirc creative commons | 03:33 |
| LjL | ah yeah that's true | 03:34 |
| LjL | i had noticed that and then forgot | 03:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. breaks Sunday record with 65,279 new cases today, and also reports 412 deaths, the highest Sunday total since May 31 → https://is.gd/v5uJs1 | 03:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria premier Dan Andrews announces 275 new Covid-19 cases in press conference as NSW records 20: Outbreaks in Batemans Bay, Sutherland local court, Princes Hill Secondary College and Colac as inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks off and NSW records highest number of new [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 03:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia’s Covid-19 lockdown rules and coronavirus restrictions explained: how far can I travel, and can I have people over?: What are the restrictions within Victoria and the border closures with NSW and other states? What are the interstate travel restrictions, how many people can you have over at your house and what other [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5upVJO | 04:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria premier Dan Andrews announces 275 new Covid-19 cases in press conference as NSW records 20: Dozens of NSW locations now linked to outbreak, including Paddington restaurants, as state records highest number of new cases in months. Inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 04:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Business groups welcome Coalition's expansion of Covid-19 loan scheme for small employers → https://is.gd/aq1wXZ | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 20 new Covid-19 cases and Victoria 275 as state makes face masks mandatory: Dozens of NSW locations now linked to outbreak, including Paddington restaurants, as state records highest number of new cases in months. Inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks off. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: Indian artists in Europe share experience of migrant labourers walking home during lockdown → https://is.gd/tzlZ6l | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Trump says Fauci 'alarmist'; Hong Kong makes masks mandatory indoors: South Africa Covid-19 deaths pass 5,000 ; UN makes urgent appeal for Sudan pandemic help ; France to issue mask fines . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 20 new Covid-19 cases and Victoria 275 as state makes face masks mandatory: Dozens of NSW locations now linked to outbreak, including Paddington restaurants, as state records highest number of new cases in months. Inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks off. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 07:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'We need to close down' — Florida reports more than 10,000 coronavirus cases for fifth day (10173 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/19/we-need-to-close-down-florida-reports-more-than-10000-coronavirus-cases-for-fifth-day.html | https://redd.it/hua87z | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus vaccine: UK government signs deals for 90 million doses → https://is.gd/TSAx08 | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: doctors warn over impact of second wave on NHS: Fears over second wave and failures in test and trace raise concerns over Covid-19 as US secretary of state visits UK → https://is.gd/M3DnzV | 09:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 20 new Covid-19 cases and Victoria 275 as state makes face masks mandatory: A 30-year-old in New South Wales and a 20-year-old in Queensland are in intensive care as inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks off. Follow all the latest news and updates, live → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 09:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Outbreak investigated at Motherwell contact tracing centre → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Trump says Fauci 'alarmist'; Hong Kong makes masks mandatory indoors: South Africa Covid-19 deaths pass 5,000 ; UN makes urgent appeal for Sudan pandemic help ; France to issue mask fines . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 09:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus NSW hotspots: list of regional and Sydney Covid-19 outbreak locations: As coronavirus community transmissions rise in the state, here are the current hotspots and what to do if you’ve visited them → https://is.gd/EH5oWY | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: doctors warn over impact of second wave on NHS: Fears over second wave and failures in test and trace raise concerns over Covid-19 as US secretary of state visits UK → https://is.gd/M3DnzV | 10:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: Euro hits four-month high on Covid-19 recovery fund hopes - business live → https://is.gd/2o5xZ7 | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 20 new Covid-19 cases and Victoria 275 as state makes face masks mandatory: A 30-year-old in New South Wales and a 20-year-old in Queensland are in intensive care as the inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks off. Follow all the latest news and updates, live → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 10:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: British pharma firm claims small trial on a coronavirus treatment could signal 'major breakthrough': British pharmaceutical company Synairgen has claimed that its new respiratory coronavirus treatment has reduced the number of hospitalized Covid-19 patients needing intensive care in a clinical trial. → https://is.gd/kWmCYL | 10:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: Euro hits four-month high on Covid-19 recovery fund hopes - business live → https://is.gd/2o5xZ7 | 11:08 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Synairgen announces positive results from trial of SNG001 in hospitalised COVID-19 patients (83 votes) | https://www.synairgen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/200720-Synairgen-announces-positive-results-from-trial-of-SNG001-in-hospitalised-COVID-19-patients.pdf | https://redd.it/hugdma | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Rapper Kanye West criticises anti-slavery figure at his first presidential election rally → https://is.gd/T9ED8X | 11:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Outbreak investigated at Motherwell contact tracing centre → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 11:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 20 new Covid-19 cases and Victoria 275 as state makes face masks mandatory: A 30-year-old in New South Wales and a 20-year-old in Queensland are in intensive care as the inquiry into Melbourne hotel quarantine breaches kicks off. Follow all the latest news and updates, live → https://is.gd/BP1Q0M | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus*: Coronavirus: The best way I've seen to get the message across. → https://is.gd/CgxGDY | 12:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Marks & Spencer: Marks & Spencer 'to cut hundreds of jobs' as coronavirus hits sales → https://is.gd/vciWQv | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Trump says Fauci 'alarmist'; Hong Kong makes masks mandatory indoors → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: Euro hits four-month high on Covid-19 recovery fund hopes - business live → https://is.gd/2o5xZ7 | 12:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Feeling beat in lockdown? These dietary changes may boost your mood and health → https://is.gd/GCEtQS | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We need to close down' — Florida reports more than 10,000 coronavirus cases for fifth day → https://is.gd/biBvLb | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump calls Fauci 'a little bit of an alarmist,' UK firm claims treatment 'breakthrough' → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 13:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: Euro hits four-month high on Covid-19 recovery fund hopes - business live → https://is.gd/2o5xZ7 | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump calls Fauci 'a little bit of an alarmist,' UK firm claims treatment 'breakthrough' → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: British pharma firm claims small trial on a coronavirus treatment could signal 'major breakthrough': British pharmaceutical company Synairgen claims its new respiratory coronavirus treatment has reduced the number of hospitalized Covid-19 patients needing intensive care. → https://is.gd/kWmCYL | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coalition to overhaul jobkeeper and jobseeker Covid-19 subsidies by cutting support rates → https://is.gd/Y7Liy0 | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: jump in new cases in Belgium; signs of compromise on EU recovery fund → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump calls Fauci 'a little bit of an alarmist,' UK firm claims treatment 'breakthrough' → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: ministers to attend cabinet in person tomorrow as UK returns to work, No 10 confirms → https://is.gd/M3DnzV | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Outbreak investigated at Motherwell contact tracing centre → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Oxford University's coronavirus vaccine with AstraZeneca shows positive immune response in early trial: A potential coronavirus vaccine developed by Oxford University in the U.K. has produced an immune response in an early-stage human trial, according to newly released data published Monday in medical journal The Lancet. → https://is.gd/tOh8Mg | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: jump in new cases in Belgium; signs of compromise on EU recovery fund → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 15:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Safety and immunogenicity of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine against SARS-CoV-2: a preliminary report of a phase 1/2, single-blind, randomised controlled trial (94 votes) | https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140-6736(20)31604-4 | https://redd.it/hulber | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump calls Fauci 'a little bit of an alarmist,' UK firm claims treatment 'breakthrough' → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo says crowds of young people at bars are 'a threat' to the state's reopening → https://is.gd/zcNy1D | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. air travel falls for first week since April as coronavirus cases spike → https://is.gd/qxhDeP | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus vaccine from Oxford and AstraZeneca shows positive response in early trial: A potential coronavirus vaccine developed by Oxford University in the U.K. has produced an immune response in an early-stage human trial, according to newly released data published Monday in medical journal The Lancet. → https://is.gd/tOh8Mg | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: New York Gov. Cuomo says crowds of young people at bars are 'a threat' to the state's reopening: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said if local authorities don't ramp up their enforcement and people don't stop crowding, he could roll back the state's reopening and close bars and restaurants. → https://is.gd/zcNy1D | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +50828 cases (now 14.8 million), +1156 deaths (now 610582) since 13 hours ago — India: +9174 cases (now 1.1 million), +125 deaths (now 27628) since 17 hours ago — Russia: +5940 cases (now 777486), +85 deaths (now 12427) since a day ago — Uzbekistan: +542 cases (now 17149), +5 deaths (now 90) since a day ago | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus vaccine: When will we have one?: About 200 groups of medical researchers around the world are working on a vaccine for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/u8NADH | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: Euro hits four-month high on Covid-19 recovery fund hopes - business live → https://is.gd/2o5xZ7 | 17:35 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: New study reveals Oxford coronavirus vaccine produces strong immune response (80 votes) | https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-07-20-new-study-reveals-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-produces-strong-immune-response | https://redd.it/hum5sa | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Cramer says he can't recall a 'self-inflicted' disaster in America ever as bad as the coronavirus: CNBC's Jim Cramer said Monday the U.S. response to the coronavirus pales in comparison to how nations such as Japan and South Korea have handled it. → https://is.gd/hhFQP4 | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus vaccine from Oxford and AstraZeneca shows positive response in early trial: The researchers said in the medical journal The Lancet that the vaccine produced antibodies and killer T-cells to combat the infection that lasted at least two months. → https://is.gd/tOh8Mg | 17:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Unlike the United States, more and more countries are making masks mandatory (10331 votes) | https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/07/20/mandatory-face-mask-requirements-global-coronavirus/ | https://redd.it/huk080 | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Vaccine trials by Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer-BioNTech show positive results → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 18:05 |
| pwr22 | Hey LjL and tinwhiskers, how're you both doing? | 18:16 |
| LjL | pwr22, hey. i'm making my blood pressure spike by trying to explain to Redditors that they shouldn't downvote people for stating the obvious, i.e. that yesterday's +0 deaths in Lombardy are due to it being a Sunday (on Sundays there is always lower accounting than usual) - instead the comments that are like "Go Italy" etc get hundreds of upvotes | 18:17 |
| LjL | i don't care about being downvoted per se, but it maddens me that people get whatever rhetoric they like to hear | 18:17 |
| LjL | and even if you spoonfeed them the graphs | 18:17 |
| LjL | they'll just downvote you and think "the Sunday thing is an absurdity, let's believe the one who said it's great news instead" | 18:18 |
| LjL | and to be fair it's kind of good news anyway, the numbers had never been so low before, even on *other* sundays | 18:18 |
| LjL | but hey guess what | 18:18 |
| LjL | today we have +13 cases in italy | 18:18 |
| LjL | +8 of which are in lombardy | 18:18 |
| pwr22 | Hmm, seems like people would rather believe what they want to believe than what the evidence suggests | 18:18 |
| LjL | will this fact make yesterdayrs?'s numbers an obvious outlier to those reddito | 18:18 |
| LjL | will this fact make yesterday's numbers an obvious outlier to those redditors?* | 18:18 |
| LjL | most assuredly not, they won't even go back to reading that thread | 18:19 |
| pwr22 | Is your government actively engaging in propaganda like ours is? | 18:19 |
| pwr22 | Like, our cases started going back up now and deaths even too | 18:19 |
| LjL | pwr22, well they have played with the numbers a fair bit | 18:19 |
| LjL | but mostly i think they're telling us to be cautious, although there's definitely camps | 18:19 |
| LjL | the good+bad thing about italy is that propaganda is hard to push, i think | 18:19 |
| LjL | because you never get an "orderly line" of people to agree to present the same view | 18:20 |
| LjL | disagreeing openly and loudly is part of our culture | 18:20 |
| LjL | sometimes it's a rather terrible thing | 18:20 |
| LjL | but it has its upsides | 18:20 |
| pwr22 | UK has just stopped publishing deaths now | 18:21 |
| pwr22 | Because they are too high apparently | 18:21 |
| LjL | pwr22, i've also kind of gone back to the "lab escape" theory, i'm almost afraid to mention it because by now it's been labelled a clear conspiracy theory by almost everyone, but... i still find it intuitively plausible (it doesn't have to be a "bioweapon", that's nonsense, lab accidents happen in a number of ways), and i've read some things that make it seem even compelling | 18:21 |
| pwr22 | That's some fucking trump level shit | 18:21 |
| blkshp | 11 yesterday 9 the day before. | 18:21 |
| LjL | pwr22, well what i read is that they stopped because they weren't being reported accurately so they are working on an improvement | 18:21 |
| LjL | but that may have been a massaging of the truth | 18:21 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "pwr22, i've also kind of gone ba"> Yeah, I'm not sure it matters now at this point. Like, I'd rather we focus on managing the disease and sort out blaming whoever afterwards | 18:22 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "but that may have been a massagi"> Yeah, but the thing is they are likely massaged numbers anyway | 18:22 |
| LjL | pwr22, yes, fair enough, although for all i know, if researchers had the record straight on its origins and the mechanisms by which it became so well-adapted to humans, they may find it easier to tackle it | 18:22 |
| pwr22 | I think what they mean is "cases are going up so we need to come up with a new profile of manipulation to prevent it looking like deaths are going up" | 18:23 |
| LjL | (or not, i'm not a virologist, but it doesn't seem implausible) | 18:23 |
| pwr22 | And as far as I know the thing they're talking about is that if someone has covid, then dies 2 months later, it counts as a covid death | 18:23 |
| LjL | pwr22, and anyway, in italy we're in a bit of a "pause" i guess while we wait for a second wave, so i've gone back to the origins instead of fixating on the numbers... i think sure, right now let's face the crisis, but eventually, people have a right to know what caused our lives to be stormed unprecedentedly like this | 18:23 |
| pwr22 | But how do you work out if that person would have died anyway? | 18:23 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, indeed | 18:24 |
| pwr22 | If it is a lab leak it's pretty bad | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Local lockdown in Blackburn 'a last resort': Cases have doubled in the past week, prompting fears of tighter restrictions in the borough. → https://is.gd/9egwyr | 18:24 |
| LjL | pwr22, well, you'd know but looking at italy's study that analyzed that. they found that of all our deaths "with" COVID that have been reported, 89% were actually deaths "from" COVID. it's reasonable to assume a similar percentage applies to other countries | 18:24 |
| LjL | so if you consider also that there's almost assuredly more than 10% deaths unaccounted for (people who died at home, never tested, etc) | 18:25 |
| LjL | i'm pretty sure the deaths estimate is still an underestimate, not an overestimate | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, plus it's the same methodology scotland etc are using and we've been consistently using it since the start | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | So there shouldn't need to be a time to take the stats offline to adjust them either | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | It's just fishy | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | And just when our deaths are going up again | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | I'm in the camp of thinking this thing is going to worsen again hard in winter | 18:27 |
| LjL | pwr22, https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/hu2lwn/italys_lombardy_once_the_epicenter_of_the/fyo84mk/?context=3 took me forever to write this post because archive.org lengthtily refused to save the Sole 24 Ore page... | 18:33 |
| LjL | pwr22, i would also look at the US: as you've probably heard the White House is "taking control" of the numbers instead of letting them go to the CDC | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Vaccine trials by Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer-BioNTech show positive results → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 18:34 |
| LjL | and my personal hunch is that while they're setting the spotlight on *cases* | 18:34 |
| LjL | what they'll mangle is the *deaths* | 18:34 |
| LjL | the cases, by now it's obvious, the US is on the whole gone exponential, you cannot undo that | 18:34 |
| LjL | but many people are saying "it's no longer a big deal because the deaths aren't growing, we've learned to treat it now, it's just a flu again" | 18:34 |
| LjL | except if you look at the smoothed graph of the deaths, there seems to be an indication they're *just* starting to spike again | 18:35 |
| LjL | which should be even clearer if you look at individual states where the... state of thing is bad | 18:35 |
| LjL | so if they start massaging the deaths numbers right now, they can make that not become apparent | 18:35 |
| LjL | in the meanwhile, Trump is trumpetting things like "if we tested half as much, we'd have half as many cases" to move the spotlight on cases rather than deaths | 18:36 |
| LjL | i may be wrong, but bottom line: keep a keen eye on the deaths more so than on the cases | 18:36 |
| LjL | in case anything "unnatural" can be noticed | 18:36 |
| pwr22 | Yeah | 18:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Peruvian businessman who sold oxygen at low price amid pandemic despite high demand, known as the "Angel of Oxygen" has died due tu Covid - 19 (10003 votes) | https://larepublica.pe/sociedad/2020/07/19/mario-romero-perez-el-angel-del-oxigeno-de-sjm-fallecio-tras-perder-la-batalla-con-la-covid-19/ | https://redd.it/hu6qeg | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus vaccine from Oxford and AstraZeneca shows positive response in early trial: The researchers said in the medical journal The Lancet that the vaccine produced antibodies and killer T-cells to combat the infection that lasted at least two months. → https://is.gd/tOh8Mg | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Cramer says he can't recall a 'self-inflicted' disaster in America ever as bad as the coronavirus: CNBC's Jim Cramer said Monday that the U.S. response to the coronavirus pales in comparison to how nations such as Japan and South Korea have handled it. → https://is.gd/hhFQP4 | 19:03 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: BBC News - Coronavirus: Oxford vaccine can train immune system (10448 votes) | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839 | https://redd.it/huleot | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Oxford vaccine results 'major breakthrough' in fight against Covid, says government → https://is.gd/M3DnzV | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: 'No country can get control of its epidemic' without contact tracing, says WHO → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist: Covid-19 news: Oxford vaccine is safe and induces immune response: The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about the covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/rSYwxS | 19:32 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Sinovac COVID-19 Vaccine Collaboration with Butantan Receives Approval from Brazilian Regulator for Phase III Trial (81 votes) | http://www.sinovac.com/?optionid=754&auto_id=907 | https://redd.it/hufwva | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Victorian doctors call for more transparency around health workers infected with Covid-19 → https://is.gd/V74gv0 | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Watch live: World Health Organization briefs public on the coronavirus outbreak as pandemic spreads → https://is.gd/MfIuGP | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): WHO applauds Oxford coronavirus vaccine data: 'It is good news' → https://is.gd/WWJ5IZ | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cramer calls U.S. response a ‘self-inflicted’ disaster; Gov. Cuomo scolds bar crowds → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 20:11 |
| LjL | pwr22, tinwhiskers: https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hupq0a/trump_says_the_us_has_the_best_mortality_rate_in/fyol7cd/ | 20:18 |
| LjL | i mean could there be any better timing to make this statement? remember my prediction from yesterday? | 20:19 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Agreement with the United Kingdom for 30 Million Doses of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate against SARS-CoV-2 (80 votes) | https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-united-kingdom-30 | https://redd.it/hukt3c | 20:32 |
| g2` | Trump will starting back coronavirus briefings tomorrow | 20:32 |
| g2` | He doesn't even care about the coronavirus stats | 20:33 |
| g2` | start* | 20:33 |
| g2` | According to a wh spokesperson | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump to resume daily coronavirus briefings on Tuesday – live: Senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said resuming briefings could help president improve polling numbers Republican leaders to meet Trump as talks begin on new relief bill Once a Republican bastion, Arizona is now a battleground US scientists rebuke Trump over [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/n3bIOg | 20:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cramer calls U.S. response a ‘self-inflicted’ disaster; Gov. Cuomo scolds bar crowds → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 20:50 |
| g2` | Threatens shut down bars and restaurants | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): WHO applauds Oxford coronavirus vaccine data: 'It is good news' → https://is.gd/WWJ5IZ | 20:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Contacts traced in Motherwell centre outbreak: An investigation is under way after eight people test positive at the NHS contact tracing centre in Motherwell. → https://is.gd/HLwCNS | 21:29 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: what was your prediction? | 21:29 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, that they'd mess with the deaths data rather than the cases data. i'm not saying it's already proven true, but it's very timely for Trump to now shift the attention to "hey, deaths are actually few, see? no problem really" | 21:37 |
| LjL | precisely at the time they were about to spike but he can make that "stop happening" since he now has control on the data | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh. Right | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Matt Hancock hails 'promising news' on Oxford University coronavirus vaccine – video → https://is.gd/3lDHgR | 21:49 |
| ap4lmtree | is the usa the main and mostly only one where wearing masks is a political issue? | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: More than half of U.S. states have statewide mask mandates: As of Monday, 28 U.S. states have statewide mask mandates in place to curb the spread of the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/XcoheB | 21:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cramer calls U.S. response a ‘self-inflicted’ disaster; Gov. Cuomo scolds bar crowds → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 22:08 |
| lf94 | Chadox1 here we come | 22:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump says face masks are 'patriotic' after months of largely resisting wearing one: The tweet from the president appearing to endorse the use of face coverings in public follows months of mixed messages on whether he believed they were an essential tool to help prevent transmission of the disease. → https://is.gd/EYeFRV | 22:18 |
| LjL | "patriotic", lol | 22:24 |
| LjL | what a clown | 22:24 |
| LjL | it's not "patriotic" to take obvious steps to stop a bad disease | 22:25 |
| LjL | it's simply a matter of getting two neurons in your head to talk to each other | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump to resume daily coronavirus briefings on Tuesday – live: Senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said resuming briefings could help president improve polling numbers Republican leaders to meet Trump as talks begin on new relief bill Once a Republican bastion, Arizona is now a battleground US scientists rebuke Trump over [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/n3bIOg | 22:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump says face masks are 'patriotic' after months of largely resisting wearing one: The tweet from the president appearing to endorse the use of face coverings in public follows months of mixed messages on whether he believed they were an essential tool to help prevent transmission of the disease. → https://is.gd/EYeFRV | 22:37 |
| pyna | hello patriotism neuron, i'd like you to meet my jennifer aniston neuron | 22:50 |
| LjL | :P | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump to resume daily coronavirus briefings on Tuesday – live: Senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said resuming briefings could help president improve polling numbers Republican leaders to meet Trump as talks begin on new relief bill Once a Republican bastion, Arizona is now a battleground US scientists rebuke Trump over [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/n3bIOg | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump says face masks are 'patriotic' after months of largely resisting wearing one: The tweet from the president appearing to endorse the use of face coverings in public follows months of mixed messages on whether he believed they were an essential tool to help prevent transmission of the disease. → https://is.gd/EYeFRV | 23:25 |
| genera | our Fahrstuhlgate wasnt much better | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia live update: jobkeeper to run to March as NSW anxiously awaits news of latest hotspots → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump says face masks are 'patriotic' after months of largely resisting wearing one: The tweet from the president appearing to endorse the use of face coverings in public follows months of mixed messages on whether he believed they were an essential tool to help prevent transmission of the disease. → https://is.gd/EYeFRV | 23:54 |
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