| LjL | de-facto, argh the IDM looks like belonging to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundations, now all the haters will hate on us for linking | 00:16 |
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| de-facto | IDM? | 00:17 |
| de-facto | ah you mean https://covid.idmod.org/ | 00:18 |
| de-facto | idk i dont have anything against Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add Covasim: courtesy de-facto → https://is.gd/1Qwt79 | 00:21 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes... me neither, not in particular, it's a huge thing so i'm sure there are shady things about it, but i just know that there are conspiracy theories about Gates wrt COVID | 00:21 |
| de-facto | yeah i know, tbh i dont care about those conspiracy theories, they are fun to argue sometimes, but i dont buy them tbh | 00:22 |
| LjL | these two seems like the more refined UX ones to me (aka i can try them out without magic spells) | 00:23 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't really know what the theory *is* to be fair, i just know there is one :P | 00:23 |
| LjL | but probably something along the lines of he gave us COVID so that he can now mind-control us with vaccines and 5G...? :P | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add Epidemic Calculator → https://is.gd/b46AT3 | 00:33 |
| de-facto | lol yeah something like that probably | 00:33 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, want to get all the hospitalizations in .de by federal states just from begin in a CSV? :D | 00:34 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Clinically Approved Antiviral Drug in an Orally Administrable Nanoparticle for COVID-19 (80 votes) | https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsptsci.0c00179 | https://redd.it/k7chfd | 00:37 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/b5d932bc20c44b32b0090193bd3c1cc7 | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +6328 cases (now 408921), +93 deaths (now 12589) since 22 hours ago | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pervert who plotted to eat children in his torture dungeon demands early jail release over Covid fears → https://is.gd/Z2TIqk | 01:21 |
| LjL | ... | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +12125 cases (now 2.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6324 cases (now 551777), +49 deaths (now 9683) since 23 hours ago | 01:22 |
| de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/2cGVMPa https://i.imgur.com/Lv1Fih4.png source https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/72615f0795de413b99f2d071eeec689b | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 ICU beds Germany - Album on Imgur | 01:26 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, added a GNUPlot routine ^^ | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice | 01:32 |
| de-facto | its the only way to get the ICU data from the begin of the pandemic, the released CSV files begin after the first peak only | 01:38 |
| de-facto | so i had to scrape their website | 01:38 |
| de-facto | like from https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Move covid19-scenarios.org from Science to Models section → https://is.gd/n7QfVl | 01:45 |
| LjL | de-facto, ↑ this should be good also - just as a reminder since honestly had forgotten about it myself (well that's why i have the list in the first place, because my memory is a leaking sieve) | 01:46 |
| de-facto | nice one :) | 01:47 |
| de-facto | i just wish they would never plot any cummulative data, tbh it says nothing to me | 01:50 |
| de-facto | i dont get why websites plot cummulative data at all | 01:50 |
| de-facto | maybe in very distant future seroprevalence, but other than that i could not think of any useful property to read from cummulative numbers | 01:53 |
| de-facto | anyhow its a really neat simulation | 01:54 |
| LjL | we don't all visualize data the same ways i guess | 01:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add COVID-specific Retraction Watch page → https://is.gd/MJmURt | 01:58 |
| LjL | it's not *directly* about COVID, but i just watched this video | 02:13 |
| LjL | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriwCi6SzLo | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.youtube.com: Should Knowledge Be Free? - YouTube | 02:13 |
| LjL | it's about academic publishing | 02:13 |
| de-facto | LjL, hence sci-hub.se | 02:24 |
| LjL | de-facto, which he covers, with a sort of interview to its owner | 02:24 |
| de-facto | it needs to jump tlds though because its shut down frequently | 02:27 |
| de-facto | btw Elsevier is very evil, they blackmail universities for higher price contracts | 02:28 |
| de-facto | the unis themselves being the providers of the authors though | 02:29 |
| de-facto | i would never ever pay them a single cent | 02:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, not unlike a certain bay. he says it's different because with music and movies, artists actually lose money if you pirate, while with publishing, the scientists don't lose any money, or gain any from you buying the article... but he also says scientists basically don't have a choice but to take part in this system - and hey, that's the same as some artists also complain, that if you don't work within the system you're toast! and also... | 02:29 |
| LjL | royalties? sure, they get royalties, but the vast majority of the money is eaten up by the majors etc | 02:29 |
| LjL | so it's not even all that different in my opinion. both are illegal. as he notes, illegal doesn't have to mean immoral. i guess from there, anyone can follow the path that seems right. | 02:30 |
| de-facto | scientists are funded by public tax money, they have to give the copyright to the publisher and then the publisher blackmails the universities to make very expensive contracts with them in order to access the articles of their own scientists | 02:30 |
| de-facto | totally insane | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: https://covid19.specops.network/#do-i-have-it? (works) vs link in index https://covid19.specops.network/#do-i-have-it (fails). Then plus 1 or two more | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems a question mark in a linked headline isn't working that nicely | 02:32 |
| de-facto | they publishers dont pay the authors, the reviewers or universities, they *get* payed by the ones funding the research (citizens finding the results of their funded research behind paywalls) or even blackmail universities into those super expensive contracts with them | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least needs "escaping" like don't know %027 or whatever | 02:33 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, oh uhm, it works with plain ? in my browser but i guess that's not how ? should be used... but also if i just add ? that'll probably fix it so eh. i'll do that | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my irc client thinks the ? is NOT part of the URL I posted above | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe use plenking? >>Do I have it ?<< | 02:35 |
| jacklsw | which client DocScrutinizer05? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /version | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Konversation | 02:36 |
| LjL | oh, funny | 02:36 |
| LjL | the version with the ? works on the covid19.specops.network site but doesn't on github, and vice versa | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/ybYxJvC.png note the color | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, you got a link in your index that doesn't work | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while the https://covid19.specops.network/#do-i-have-it? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sign in front of the headline works | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until I paste it in konversation which cuts the ? again, like ^^^ | 02:39 |
| LjL | i will see if i can just get the ?-less version to work, like it does in github | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I suggest removinf the ? from the anchor on page | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe plenking already does that? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenken | 02:41 |
| LjL | the anchor is just what markdown creates though | 02:42 |
| de-facto | https://covid19.specops.network/#do-i-have-it%3F | 02:44 |
| de-facto | ? is the initiator of parameters usually in an URL hence the escape for ids | 02:45 |
| LjL | oh | 02:45 |
| LjL | let's see if that goes intact through markdown then | 02:45 |
| de-facto | like host.tld/uri/to/page?param0=val0¶m1=val1 etc | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Try fixing "Do I have it?" ToC link: A literal "?" is probably not a great idea and I'm not sure it'll work but let's see... → https://is.gd/ISu40j | 02:47 |
| LjL | hmmm it will probably work on specops.network but not on github, i'd like it to work on both, i'll try to get specops.network's administrator to make it behave like github with the anchors | 02:47 |
| de-facto | https://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-id | 02:49 |
| de-facto | html5 is more permissive but i would not use that | 02:51 |
| de-facto | btw may need some other values to be escaped too https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fcovid19.specops.network%2F | 02:52 |
| LjL | oh there are probably a lot of broken thelancet links :\ | 02:54 |
| LjL | i used \ to escale the ('s in those URLs, that makes markdown accept it as a URL but i didn't realize it stays in the HTML | 02:56 |
| LjL | de-facto, so i should use %28 and %29 for those lancet urls? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: https://i.imgur.com/7ZQWcus.png err meh you edited it while I was looking :-D | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let me update | 02:58 |
| de-facto | i am not quite sure, maybe try to fix it first in the input form of the validator and the see if that still works with browsers? | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: For now, try to fix things so they work on the site, even though it b… → https://is.gd/ExO8CM | 02:58 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, yeah the way it is currently, it will not work in the github preview, but it will work on covid19.specops.network | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, ok | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | github, meh! ;-) | 03:00 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well ideally it'll work on both eventually, but i need to talk to the site admin for that | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, works fine. The anchor is still fubar but who needs anchors from "copy anchor"? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/yMBNQzh.png | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I added a plenk and that resulted in totally fubar "Do I have it? ?" [SIC] | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in preview | 03:05 |
| LjL | well now i broke all the lancet urls, so that one's going to be reverted :P | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +631 cases (now 37546), +5 deaths (now 545) since 22 hours ago — St. Kitts and Nevis: +3 cases (now 25) since 11 days ago | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Improve (?) formatting of parentheses in URLs → https://is.gd/CZaaYe | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: do you mind me storing a version to test for effect of plenking to non-preview-view? Will merge if you did any other edits meanwhile, I think. And I'll roll back or undo the edits as soon as I tested them | 03:13 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, what do you mean if i mind you storing a version? you can store to your heart's desire | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on your github | 03:15 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, i'm not good with git, i'm doing everything through the github web interface .x do i need to add you as a contributor? | 03:16 |
| LjL | or you make a pull request, or what, just tell me what you need | 03:17 |
| gigasu_shida | i'm not good with git either =/ | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gosh nevermind, I got no idea whatsoever how to watch that new file version | 03:20 |
| LjL | maybe we need to talk to a microsoft MVP to deal with github :P | 03:21 |
| LjL | anyway stackexchange tells me that () in URLs are actually ok and they should work within markdown too O.o except they don't for me | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Revert prior commit because broken things are broken → https://is.gd/LSc0Mi | 03:24 |
| gigasu_shida | do you use github desktop ljl ? | 03:24 |
| LjL | gigasu_shida, i just use the website | 03:25 |
| gigasu_shida | coo | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL did you have a look at https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/2ca4d96e2bcbdef717d620f86a620aaea645234d ? | 03:31 |
| LjL | no, i hadn't been notified of it. now if i knew how to merge it... :x | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I knew hot to nuke it ;-D | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how* | 03:33 |
| LjL | i'll just make those changes manually | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) many thanks# | 03:34 |
| gigasu_shida | i don't drive git well either =/ | 03:34 |
| gigasu_shida | i need to spend a few months getting better at git | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | git != github, is what they told me | 03:34 |
| gigasu_shida | i know neither | 03:35 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, try refreshing it, although i don't think anything improved, the anchor still has ? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, actually the anchor doesn't anymore : https://github.com/ljl-covid/links#do-i-have-it- the link has it now https://github.com/ljl-covid/links#do-i-have-it-%3F | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so removing the -%3F from the index in line2 will make it work with plenken in ##headline | 03:38 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, that's true of github but it's not true of specops where the anchor does have ? :\ | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the anchor does not have a ? as far as I can tell | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, on the website it still DOES have | 03:40 |
| LjL | yeah, that's what i meant | 03:41 |
| LjL | they handle markdown differently | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sorry. I seem to get tired | 03:41 |
| LjL | i need to get the person who runs it to make it handle the same... there is probably no other sane way out :P | 03:41 |
| LjL | i'll try to grab him when i can | 03:42 |
| de-facto | anyone familiar with GNUPlot here? | 03:44 |
| ubLIX[m] | abandon sanity all ye who enter gnuplot syntax | 03:45 |
| de-facto | logscale y and smooth sbezier work individually but combining results in empty plot | 03:47 |
| de-facto | https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/74618f8652674553a132f9058c298186 | 03:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Try plenken of "Do I have it ?" section → https://is.gd/wbxyX5 | 03:48 |
| ubLIX[m] | i use gnuplot with OWID data for faster glances than websites, but didn't have to get far into the syntax to do it. did find it pretty crufty, though | 03:48 |
| LjL | the fact that's faster for you than looking at website blows my mind a bit :P | 03:49 |
| ubLIX[m] | well i wrote a bash script to generate the gnuplot script so i don't even look at gnuplot script anymore | 03:50 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], do you have an opinion on the UK's early start in distributing the vaccine | 03:51 |
| ubLIX[m] | not really, i haven't been keeping up enough to have meaningful insight. might just stay full hermit for another 6 months | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: German coronavirus aid can’t last indefinitely, Angela Merkel warns → https://is.gd/2Avqx6 | 04:00 |
| LjL | my aunt finally tested negative (fourth test, although the third was botched) | 04:02 |
| LjL | i haven't asked if she feels fine yet though | 04:02 |
| ubLIX[m] | my cousin (who had trouble walking for some months) is back to work (albeit remote) and seemingly improving well with good exercise tolerance now | 04:05 |
| LjL | oh that's nice | 04:05 |
| LjL | from trouble walking to exercise tolerance is not something i would have taken for granted | 04:06 |
| ubLIX[m] | *relatively to fears | 04:07 |
| ubLIX[m] | idk that she's jogging anywhere | 04:07 |
| LjL | i suppose not | 04:08 |
| LjL | the idea of having any permanent damage due to COVID or some other health issue terrifies me more than it should. if it were me, i'd be constantly focus on what i cannot do anymore, not on what i'm regaining with some amount of recovery | 04:09 |
| LjL | and i'm also pretty sure that mindset would hinder my recovery... | 04:09 |
| ubLIX[m] | i suppose with physiotherapy you don't make the recovery you don't attempt | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: "He Lost Ability To Do Simple Tasks": Oxford Coronavirus Vaccine Volunteer's Wife To NDTV → https://is.gd/mtrBl3 | 04:49 |
| ubLIX[m] | weird bug, de-facto. logscale and sbezier play fine together in my script and data layout. at 4am too late to delve into yours. am curious, though | 04:58 |
| de-facto | interesting, do you have sources? | 04:58 |
| ubLIX[m] | haha. well. the gnuplot template script is altered on demand by a bash script. and invoked by vimscript. i'm not sure you want to read that tangle. i'm not sure i want to clean it up for public consumption at 4am | 05:03 |
| de-facto | ok no problem, i just was curious about how those two work together | 05:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +2503 cases (now 589942), +112 deaths (now 17254) since a day ago | 05:08 |
| de-facto | which version of gnuplot are you using? and it my script working with that? | 05:08 |
| de-facto | e.g. this mess here https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/74618f8652674553a132f9058c298186 | 05:08 |
| ubLIX[m] | well just to test output i replaced "with impulses" with "smooth sbezier" and added "logscale y 10" at a likely spot and it just worked | 05:08 |
| de-facto | (it creates files in same directory, so maybe should be run in /tmp or such | 05:08 |
| ubLIX[m] | i'll try to find a moment tomorrow (later today) to look at your script and its data | 05:09 |
| de-facto | i dont want to steal your time though | 05:09 |
| ubLIX[m] | it's not just something super silly like the logscale pushes all the plotted points onto the x-axis cos you didn't fit the data first? | 05:09 |
| de-facto | i am not sure actually | 05:10 |
| ubLIX[m] | oh, apparently i have version 5.2 installed | 05:12 |
| de-facto | it looks like this https://i.imgur.com/oQxQhah.png | 05:13 |
| de-facto | same i have 5.2 | 05:13 |
| de-facto | without the smooth sbezier it works https://i.imgur.com/jJcqvlr.png | 05:15 |
| de-facto | my hope is to get it smooth in the lower numbers with the smooth sbezier | 05:15 |
| de-facto | so its good to know that this combination works with 5.2, then there is an error in my script somewhere | 05:18 |
| ubLIX[m] | and the only difference between the two is which line you comment out at the end? | 05:20 |
| de-facto | yes exactly | 05:23 |
| de-facto | "with lines" -> "smooth sbezier" | 05:24 |
| de-facto | and weirdly enough the line "smooth sbezier" works just fine without the line "set logscale y 10" | 05:26 |
| de-facto | so its the combo only that results in empty | 05:26 |
| ubLIX[m] | try putting ALL your "set style lines" lines before the "set logscale" line? | 05:29 |
| de-facto | commented them out no difference | 05:32 |
| de-facto | how is your plot command? | 05:33 |
| de-facto | i think its the loop in the plot command that causes the trouble | 05:35 |
| ubLIX[m] | could be | 05:36 |
| de-facto | "plot src using 1:2 smooth sbezier ls 2 title columnhead" works | 05:38 |
| de-facto | "plot for [col=2:traces] src using 1:col smooth sbezier ls col title columnhead" works only without "set logscale y 10" | 05:39 |
| de-facto | thats super weird | 05:39 |
| ubLIX[m] | my plot command is not looped, the bash script appends a new \ terminated line for each plot | 05:39 |
| de-facto | yeah and thats the difference between those two above | 05:40 |
| ubLIX[m] | have to sleep. good luck. would be interesting to hear how you get it working. | 05:42 |
| de-facto | works with 15 traces but not with 16 traces | 05:45 |
| de-facto | thats super super weird | 05:45 |
| de-facto | well actually 16 works 17 fails | 05:49 |
| de-facto | oooh i think i found the reason, when the data column begins with "0" there seems to be a bug in gnuplot triggered that leads to an empty plot when using "smooth bezier" in combination with "set logscale y" | 05:58 |
| de-facto | thats really not my fault :((( | 05:59 |
| de-facto | this is probably a bug in gnuplot https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/d9d6a8f60e11443caaa7fc826aacf6cf | 06:12 |
| de-facto | meeh :((( | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 690: This is your brain on SARS-CoV-2: TWiV reviews the difficulties in predicting species susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 infection by only examining the ACE2 protein, and the olfactory mucosa as a portal of entry into the central nervous system in COVID-19 patients. → https://is.gd/CPwBDc | 06:14 |
| de-facto | abother try would be to add "set yrange [ 1 : * ]" but then it partly plots outside of its frame LOL | 06:22 |
| de-facto | so to bring this to an end then | 06:32 |
| de-facto | this is the fixed version able to print with smooth sbezier on logscale y https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/3a98a8bd6c6c4a969de6f3863e244ae7 | 06:32 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, ^^ | 06:32 |
| de-facto | ubLIX[m], ^^ | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 06:34 |
| de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/hyjMEBY https://i.imgur.com/s1GZzoy.png source: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/3a98a8bd6c6c4a969de6f3863e244ae7 | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 ICU Beds Germany - Album on Imgur | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dogs recruited to sniff out Covid-19 at Australian border. → https://is.gd/7naLOJ | 06:38 |
| de-facto | %cases Germany | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Germany, there have been 1.2 million confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 18975 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 29.1 million tests were performed (4.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 06:45 |
| de-facto | RKI Germany: Weekly Incidence 142/100k (117880 total), Infections +17767 (1171322 total), Fatalities +255 (18772 total) | 06:45 |
| de-facto | and again and again: we really do need better containment. | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> cat >bin/divi-icu-germany-by-state_with_gnuploot.sh #;-D | 06:47 |
| de-facto | :) | 06:48 |
| de-facto | hmm well maybe rewrite it a bit though because it creates files in cwd | 06:49 |
| de-facto | also got some minor bugs still, it was just meant as proof of concept to give my mind a rest on this issue, its already on my todo since i made that script for italy | 06:49 |
| de-facto | yeah hopefully we will see some lockdown in Germany still this year | 06:50 |
| de-facto | but its too late for Christmas already | 06:50 |
| de-facto | incidence will stay high till Christmas hence the virus will diffuse into protected families which is very sad | 06:51 |
| de-facto | i mean come on, when did politicians start with this nonsense? 2020-10-14 or such? then waited for their stupid compromise to show the "magic effect" and where are we almost two months later? | 06:54 |
| de-facto | exactly we are waiting for the "magic effect" of their compromise still | 06:54 |
| de-facto | "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" | 06:55 |
| de-facto | how about changing the tactic? | 06:55 |
| de-facto | why not go for a *really* hard lockdown? schools closed, businesses closed, *hard* curfew 24/7, no traveling at all, no private visits and all that strictly controlled by the military? | 06:57 |
| de-facto | then if the average household would be like 2-3 people the spook would be over in 2-3 serial times | 06:58 |
| euod[m] | nobody wants to be seen as the "bad guy", even if it would provide solutions. | 06:58 |
| de-facto | it would be the most effect for the least impact on businesses because it would have the most quick effect | 06:58 |
| de-facto | like shortest possible time in complete lockdown | 06:59 |
| de-facto | but it would have to be absolutely strict without any compromises | 06:59 |
| de-facto | they tried with their "light" compromises for over two months now and failed. | 07:00 |
| de-facto | well almost two months | 07:00 |
| de-facto | so why not try the other way around: make containment as aggressive and as strict as possible, force covidiots to comply with the military, and then when incidence came down slowly open one restriction after the other with a delay of at least 3 weeks | 07:01 |
| de-facto | there are countries that did it like this with great success | 07:02 |
| de-facto | i would vote a politician that got enough courage to go for this | 07:03 |
| de-facto | to be honest i am extremely disappointing in current management trying to wiggle through this with their stupid compromises, it costs us ~500 lives on some days of the week | 07:04 |
| de-facto | to me at least this is absolutely unacceptable, and i try to remember very well which of the politicians are even against this insufficient containment | 07:05 |
| de-facto | their party is not vote-able for me at least for the next decade | 07:06 |
| de-facto | there are some places where hospital capacity is reached already | 07:07 |
| de-facto | they have to transfer patients to other places because its still out of control | 07:07 |
| de-facto | so why on earth are they not going to to more about it? | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +26126 cases (now 1.2 million) since 16 hours ago | 07:07 |
| de-facto | yeah :( | 07:08 |
| derpadmin | https://termbin.com/ta9v | 07:09 |
| derpadmin | script for canada(detailed) and US & UK (wikipedia summary) ^ | 07:09 |
| derpadmin | canada keeps on messing with the spreadsheet | 07:11 |
| derpadmin | :D | 07:11 |
| derpadmin | I have to update it every now and then | 07:11 |
| derpadmin | Canada: %infected:1.08345962 %maybe_infected:0.00000000 %not_infected:98.91654038 | 07:11 |
| derpadmin | United States: %infected:4.31226114 %not_infected:95.68773886 | 07:11 |
| derpadmin | etc... | 07:11 |
| derpadmin | because the news are just too many these days... | 07:12 |
| derpadmin | I check the summary and read other stuff | 07:12 |
| de-facto | heh thats really neat, did you write that? | 07:13 |
| de-facto | i really have to look more into python, its got so many better tools in there | 07:15 |
| derpadmin | I did wrote it yes | 07:16 |
| de-facto | very nice thanks for sharing :)) | 07:17 |
| derpadmin | no prob | 07:17 |
| derpadmin | what language do you write with usually? | 07:17 |
| de-facto | lol i wrote it in /bin/sh | 07:18 |
| de-facto | or PHP on my server | 07:18 |
| derpadmin | so do I... bash and ksh | 07:18 |
| derpadmin | I still have some stuff on php too | 07:19 |
| de-facto | but in BeautifulSoup it looks so much cleaner than with xmllint etc | 07:19 |
| de-facto | i really should rewrite it all in Python or R | 07:19 |
| derpadmin | yes, for webscraping, python is quite hard to beat | 07:19 |
| derpadmin | I keep bash for small scripts/system tasks | 07:20 |
| derpadmin | eg : backups automated tasks | 07:20 |
| de-facto | yeah, i wanted to make it as portable as possible only requiring some binaries so it even runs on my router, but for the price not to be able to use the power of python | 07:21 |
| derpadmin | portability is great | 07:22 |
| derpadmin | building a chat server with this in mind now | 07:22 |
| derpadmin | (disclaimer, web push notifications are hell) | 07:22 |
| derpadmin | goal is to be able to host it anywhere | 07:23 |
| de-facto | Python got much much better tools like BeautifulSout, Scrapy, all the CSV libs, all the scipy stuff, Matplotlib, even Plotly etc pp | 07:23 |
| derpadmin | yup, it all depends on the use case of the project... | 07:24 |
| de-facto | for chat server or such i would use something event based such as node.js or Erlang or such | 07:24 |
| de-facto | Python probably also got something for that though | 07:25 |
| de-facto | not sure how portable that is | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Another Reason to Wear a Mask: COVID-19 May Cause Erectile Dysfunction → https://is.gd/yy4Edt | 07:26 |
| derpadmin | true... my goal is to support a few oses | 07:26 |
| derpadmin | not the whole thing | 07:26 |
| derpadmin | so much... code | 07:26 |
| de-facto | i always wanted to write something with https://libwebsockets.org/ | 07:27 |
| de-facto | that would be CPP but probably blazing fast and super scalable | 07:28 |
| euod[m] | websockets are pain. | 07:28 |
| de-facto | i think not anymore, now they are standardized and work pretty well | 07:28 |
| de-facto | also they provide event loops and loads of examples | 07:29 |
| de-facto | alternative for really quick development would be node.js, its entirely event based | 07:29 |
| euod[m] | nodejs is a trap. | 07:30 |
| euod[m] | so much bad javascript, it haunts me when I go to sleep. | 07:31 |
| de-facto | yeah i also dont really like it | 07:31 |
| de-facto | yeah | 07:31 |
| de-facto | not to start with npm and all that | 07:31 |
| de-facto | but an event server is written in 10 LOC or such | 07:31 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ‘If you don’t think Covid is real, you’re an idiot,’ says Canadian politician (10055 votes) | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-coronavirus-brian-pallister-manitoba-b1766732.html?utm_source=reddit.com | https://redd.it/k7ekt2 | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><de-facto> incidence will stay high till Christmas hence the virus will diffuse into protected families<< it's a nightmare: meet family at xmess, get sick at new year when no hospitals and doctors are open to give you a test so you could grow a brain and finally self-quarantine | 07:34 |
| euod[m] | oh yeah we're doomed. | 07:35 |
| euod[m] | I've got my christmas planned. | 07:36 |
| euod[m] | probably going to assemble some ikea furniture. | 07:36 |
| Skunny | we'll be fine | 07:37 |
| de-facto | I am really not sure what to do, my parents want me to come and make it safe somehow, but i dont want to risk bringing it to them | 07:37 |
| de-facto | for Christmas that is, i mean when I quarantine for two weeks in advance and travel with a gas mask maybe it could be somewhat safe? | 07:37 |
| de-facto | on the other hand i really dont want to risk to bring it to them because they are in their 70s | 07:38 |
| euod[m] | seems pretty high risk. | 07:38 |
| euod[m] | I have actual 3M P95 masks and I wouldn't bet my life on it wearing them still. | 07:38 |
| de-facto | yeah especially with traveling in advance, actually i dont want to do that and incubate it over CHristmas with them then | 07:39 |
| euod[m] | sorry, n95. whatever. | 07:39 |
| de-facto | i have a real gasmask with P3 filter, like 99.97% filtering or such | 07:39 |
| euod[m] | yeah, sadly none of them are rated for dealing with outward breath. | 07:40 |
| de-facto | yeah it got vents, so filters are bypassed for exahling | 07:40 |
| de-facto | *exhaling | 07:40 |
| euod[m] | yeah. even if it didn't have the valves, the normal filters aren't designed to be blown through. it ruins them. | 07:41 |
| de-facto | so it gives roughly as much protection to others from me than those community cotton masks but for me it gives much much better protection | 07:41 |
| de-facto | yeah exhaling is blocked through the filters by another valve inside the mask | 07:41 |
| de-facto | they should not get wet, otherwise they loose their filtering ability | 07:42 |
| euod[m] | right. I would just love a two way mask in the same style as the 3M half masks. those things are amazingly comfortable. | 07:42 |
| de-facto | i have this here its made from silicone https://www.srsafety.com/products/half-full-face-mask-2359/sr-100-m-l-h01-2012.html | 07:43 |
| de-facto | with this filter here https://www.srsafety.com/products/filter-2440/sr-510-particle-filter-p3-r-h02-1312.html | 07:44 |
| euod[m] | yeah similar to the 3m ones | 07:44 |
| de-facto | i think the 3M may be better because they have the filters at their sides so they can be worn under a face shield | 07:46 |
| de-facto | yet i also like those Swedish ones, they are very well designed in every detail with replacement parts etc | 07:47 |
| de-facto | and they have one of the lowest breathing resistances afaik | 07:48 |
| de-facto | so they can be worn for very long times | 07:48 |
| de-facto | Pressure drop at 30 l/min. ≈ 40 Pa | 07:49 |
| de-facto | Pressure drop at 95 l/min. ≈ 120 Pa | 07:49 |
| de-facto | Filtration efficiency, paraffin oil > 99.997 % | 07:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saint Petersburg, Russia: +3726 cases (now 144400), +58 deaths (now 5783) since 23 hours ago — Moscow Oblast, Russia: +1246 cases (now 116940), +31 deaths (now 2224) since 23 hours ago — Karelia, Russia: +473 cases (now 17406), +3 deaths (now 113) since 23 hours ago — Samara, Russia: +269 cases (now 23668), +8 deaths (now 447) since 23 hours ago | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | euod[m]: 3M alas are prohibitively expensive for disposable masks | 07:51 |
| euod[m] | indeed | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least the auro | 07:52 |
| euod[m] | I generally trust 3M a lot more than any other company though. between their VHB tape and air filters, it's all good stuff. | 07:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: COVID-19 could push extreme poverty to over 1 billion by 2030: UN → https://is.gd/SUDUa7 | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3M is awesome, but their aureo masks are simply robbery. And the MOQ usually insane. I got me Draeger X-Plore 1730 now, for "only" 5€ per mask in a MOQ of 20 pcs. Of course a magnitude less confortable and convenient than the Auro but... well they were locally available and affordable | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could have ordered 4 Auro for the same price, wait a wekk or longer for them | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s.Auro.Aura.g | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, they got cheaper since I checked last time https://www.arbeitsschutz-express.de/de/atemschutzmaske-3m-aura9330?channable=006101696400313030313038323508&sPartner=google_shopping | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.arbeitsschutz-express.de/de/atemschutzmaske-3m-aura1883 only 17 bucks, not 25 | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instead of 5 times Draeger 1730 they now are only 3.5 times as much | 09:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +29039 cases (now 2.5 million), +457 deaths (now 43141) since a day ago | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China doing biological tests to create ‘super soldiers’, claims US intelligence chief → https://is.gd/o85NnN | 09:39 |
| tombradyontap[m] | news just in: | 09:41 |
| tombradyontap[m] | pcr tests spun an extra 25 cycles just to be sure. very thorough, mostly all positive! | 09:41 |
| tombradyontap[m] | #keep up the good work China | 09:41 |
| euod[m] | DocScrutinizer05: they're even cheaper than that in some places. | 10:08 |
| euod[m] | the fit is nice enough, the seal is nice enough. | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | euod[m]: I earched long and wide, but couldn't find an offer that would be within my financial capabilities and within "just in time" criteria | 10:52 |
| euod[m] | I'm sorry to hear that. | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'High-value' business travellers to be exempt from quarantine in England → https://is.gd/GAiku0 | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | searched* - and yes, otherwise I had gotten me the Aura since it's the best without any doubt | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Elvis Presley Received a Polio Vaccination on Live TV — Here's Why Public Vaccinations Matter → https://is.gd/UyA9GE | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2157 deaths (now 287825) since 22 hours ago | 11:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Listen: Misinformation Mailbag: Listeners wrote into the Social Distance podcast with questions about all kinds of pandemic misinformation: tests, masks, supplements, vaccines, and more. Hosts James Hamblin and Katherine Wells discuss conspiracy theories, false remedies, and how to approach the people that believe in them. → https://is.gd/Njrvcc | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK prepares for ‘historic moment’ of vaccination against Covid-19 → https://is.gd/3DSbi4 | 13:19 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The impact of COVID-19 preventative measures on airborne/droplet-transmitted infectious diseases in Taiwan (82 votes) | https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30724-6/fulltext | https://redd.it/k7nt2s | 13:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Tipped Service Workers Are More Vulnerable Amid Pandemic Harassment Spike: Study: More than half of workers surveyed said they were reluctant to enforce COVID-19 safety measures with customers from whom they would receive tips, according to the One Fair Wage study. → https://is.gd/R21tgI | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +20 deaths (now 5344) since 16 hours ago | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +6779 cases (now 557224) since a day ago | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +206041 cases (now 15.0 million), +2137 deaths (now 287842) since 23 hours ago | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - December 06 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/gjjugh | 14:56 |
| decimuss[m] | any news from Spain? | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +258 deaths (now 18991) since 23 hours ago | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 06DEC20 → https://is.gd/ldTf02 | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): L' ITALIA TORNA GIALLA ED ARANCIONE: SOLO L'ABRUZZO IN ZONA ROSSA: Oggi 6 dicembre l'Italia si colora di giallo ed arancione tranne l'Abruzzo che rimane zona rossa a causa dell'elevato livello di contagi ancora in essere. L'Italia si suddivide così in undici regioni gialle, otto arancioni ed una regione rossa. → https://is.gd/sPlEtl | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Record US virus cases as reports say British queen to get vaccine soon → https://is.gd/tddlIQ | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Virginia, US: +3880 cases (now 255053), +3 deaths (now 4200) since a day ago | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Europe battles surge in coronavirus deaths in nursing homes → https://is.gd/j9KENL | 16:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Pre-existing cardiovascular disease rather than cardiovascular risk factors drives mortality in COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.02.20242933v1 | https://redd.it/k7sw18 | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Winter Covid surge is the 'worst event that this country will face,' White House health advisor Birx says → https://is.gd/t2YxGB | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for West Virginia, US: +1425 cases (now 54997), +9 deaths (now 838) since 19 hours ago | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +4501 cases (now 410963), +40 deaths (now 12604) since 23 hours ago | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump Covid-19 vaccine chief to meet with Biden team this week to discuss distribution plan: Dr. Moncef Slaoui, chief advisor of Operation Warp Speed, has not yet met Biden or had contact regarding a transition process and vaccine distribution plan. → https://is.gd/wr6X2B | 16:58 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: NBA Player Lost 7 Family Members To Virus, Starting With His Mom (10144 votes) | https://patch.com/us/across-america/nba-player-lost-7-family-members-virus-starting-his-mom | https://redd.it/k7ki0d | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, US: +5376 cases (now 364276), +25 deaths (now 6950) since 22 hours ago | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +15067 cases (now 1.7 million), +182 deaths (now 61245) since 9 hours ago | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +96 cases (now 1645) since 23 hours ago | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Winter Covid surge is the 'worst event that this country will face,' White House health advisor Birx says → https://is.gd/t2YxGB | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +18887 cases (now 1.7 million), +564 deaths (now 60078) since 23 hours ago | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid-19 deaths could nearly double in U.S. by April despite rollout of vaccines, report warns: Health researchers said that the expected vaccine rollout only reduces the death toll by 9,000 before April 1 and said a rapid rollout targeting high-risk people could save 14,000 more lives. → https://is.gd/8imKTX | 18:25 |
| Arsanerit | Synapsestorm, interesting, but why is that posted in this channel? | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jersey: +96 cases (now 1357) since 22 hours ago | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Winter Covid surge is the 'worst event that this country will face,' White House health advisor Birx says → https://is.gd/t2YxGB | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Bavaria lockdown NOT-lite, but still flawed: schools and office/fab/shops open | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Virus cases continue climbing in US during holiday season: Coronavirus infections across the U.S. continue to rise as the country moves deeper into a holiday season when eagerly anticipated gatherings of family and friends could push the numbers even higher and overwhelm hospitals. → https://is.gd/CWansZ | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 1.2M doses of China-made COVID vaccine arrive in Indonesia: Indonesia's government said 1.2 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine developed by China-based biopharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotech arrived in the country late Sunday. → https://is.gd/U1pSCb | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Most of California to enter sweeping new virus lockdown: The vast region of Southern California, much of the San Francisco Bay area and a large swath of the Central Valley are about to be placed under a sweeping new lockdown in an urgent attempt to slow the rapid rise of coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/krGNbW | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: UK gears up for huge vaccination plan watched by the world: The coronavirus vaccine developed by American drugmaker Pfizer and Germany's BioNTech was being sent to hospitals across the U.K. in super-cold containers on Sunday, two days ahead of the kickoff of Britain's biggest-ever immunization program, one being closely watched [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zKzLdE | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +6090 cases (now 412929), +59 deaths (now 12642) since 23 hours ago | 20:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Despite promise, few in US adopting COVID-19 exposure apps: Six months ago, Apple and Google introduced a new smartphone tool designed to notify people who might have been exposed to the coronavirus, without disclosing any personal information. But for the most part, Americans haven't been all that interested. → https://is.gd/sR7W8D | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Former cybersecurity chief says Russia, China, Iran and North Korea are trying to steal coronavirus vaccine IP → https://is.gd/ztBPch | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID-19 Vaccine News: COVID-19 Vaccine "High Priority" for Meat Industry: "The meat and poultry industry was among the first sectors to be challenged with the pandemic, and since March the industry has implemented effective programs and controls to stop the spread of COVID... → https://is.gd/3LZI2j | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says Rudy Giuliani has tested positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/Eg4Uu8 | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Niger: +67 cases (now 1856) since a day ago | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Puerto Rico, US: +2506 cases (now 100029), +7 deaths (now 1192) since a day ago | 22:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Americans Struggled to Maintain Social Distance for Thanksgiving, Cellphone Location Data Shows (10144 votes) | https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/americans-struggled-to-maintain-social-distance-for-thanksgiving-cellphone-location-data-shows/5623229/ | https://redd.it/k7sn59 | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID-19 Vaccine News: New Study Addresses Barriers to The Adoption of COVID-19 Vaccines: It is estimated by the World Health Organisation that between 65 to 75 percent of the population, well over 200 million Americans, either need vaccination or recovery against the virus to achieve immunity → https://is.gd/cBfjNP | 22:21 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, it reports powerful earthquakes as they may be of general interest, any natural disaster will impact COVID response too. besides, so far i'd say if we are to measure bot noise, "misfirings" due to medical articles that are not quite about COVID but which do match the COVID regexps are much more common than earthquakes, so is it really an issue? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please keep earthquakes etc | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should have been more clear about bavaria lockdown: starts in 3 days (wednesday 9th) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and some politicians actually now demand a real full 3 week lockdown *icl schools and shops and offices and everything* for January | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we got now: all scientists, many comedians, some felt 70% of population AND now several politicians demanding full lockdown. And we got some Kultusministers who argue "schools must stay open, schools are a RIGHT" -- THE F...! | 22:42 |
| LjL | when scientists AND comedians agree, you know it's serious | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mention comedians since they publically in TV often "tell the truth" nobody wants to hear or say otherwise | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: no kidding, indeed | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even FDP "chief" Lindner who so far excelled with delusional BS suggestions about "more protection for vulnerable groups" now mentions FULL lockdown NOW as the one other option to his usual BS | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can bet when Lauterbach and Lindner agree (with Lindner asking for quicker implementation of the amicably demanded measures than Lauterbach) THEN sth is really serious | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when now AfD shuts up for good then I run for shelter | 22:58 |
| LjL | in Italy the amount of daily cases has already kinda stopped decreasing, and that's just one week since relaxing restrictions | 23:05 |
| Haley[m] | %cases france | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[m]: In France, there have been 2.3 million confirmed cases (3.4% of the population) and 55155 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 21.0 million tests were performed (11.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says Rudy Giuliani has tested positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/Eg4Uu8 | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: :-/ | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany;Italy&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff no fun | 23:25 |
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