| joerg | specing: when you're waiting for EMA then _yor_ prospective BNT dose definitely been developed and produced in Germany or iirc maybe Belgium. Definitely not in UK or USA | 01:06 |
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| joerg | LjL: could you pease chill down and unban brainstorm? | 01:06 |
| specing | joerg: no, part of the manufacturing line is in the USA | 01:06 |
| LjL | deop ljl | 02:37 |
| rpifan | https://www.yourcovidrecovery.nhs.uk/managing-the-effects/effects-on-your-body/cough/ | 03:13 |
| rpifan | useful link | 03:13 |
| LjL | rpifan, are you recovering? | 03:23 |
| rpifan | yes mostly | 03:24 |
| rpifan | but ive got the covid cough | 03:24 |
| rpifan | and possibly the covid rash | 03:24 |
| rpifan | though i got a quick test and it came back negative | 03:25 |
| LjL | rpifan, ever lost smell/taste? | 03:26 |
| rpifan | yes | 03:33 |
| rpifan | its only partially come back | 03:33 |
| rpifan | i lost it suddenly in the middle of covid | 03:33 |
| LjL | bummer | 03:34 |
| rpifan | its ok i just remember what stuff tasted like | 03:43 |
| rpifan | and mix it in with what i do taste | 03:44 |
| rpifan | and its good enough | 03:44 |
| rpifan | though i really want butter for some reaosn | 03:44 |
| rpifan | right now | 03:44 |
| mrdata | wow | 03:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Somalia: +110 cases (now 16039), +5 deaths (now 863) since a day ago — Bermuda: +31 cases (now 2645) since 4 days ago | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +20973 cases (now 6.4 million) since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +17518 cases (now 6.1 million), +110 deaths (now 130622) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +1429 cases (now 1.9 million), +6 deaths (now 18024) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +1535 cases (now 1.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 04:41 |
| joerg | good to see rpifan around | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: Man's anguish as his unvaccinated Mother, Father and Brother all DIE with coronavirus → https://is.gd/2fjhbJ | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +2219 cases (now 216206), +1 deaths (now 2135) since a day ago | 06:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Post-covid patients must go for cardiac screening every six months, say doctors → https://is.gd/pvEuYc | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1748 cases (now 1.1 million), +5 deaths (now 25279) since a day ago | 07:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guadeloupe: +2950 cases (now 26771), +8 deaths (now 291) since 5 days ago — Ohio, United States: +2326 cases (now 1.1 million), +24 deaths (now 20580) since 23 hours ago — Minnesota, United States: +1685 cases (now 620591), +7 deaths (now 7798) since 23 hours ago — New Jersey, United States: +1629 cases (now 1.1 million), +9 deaths (now 26659) since 23 hours ago | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec to roll out Canada's first vaccine passport → https://is.gd/W1Kz72 | 07:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated May Not Be Allowed To Enter Canada for Years → https://is.gd/q84zl7 | 08:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for El Salvador: +1455 cases (now 89826) since 23 hours ago — India: +36029 cases (now 32.0 million), +290 deaths (now 429015) since 13 hours ago | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | August 11, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/K5hWWI | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: In Iran, slow vaccinations fuel anger in unending pandemic → https://is.gd/p9S8Zh | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Armenia: +391 cases (now 233001) since 23 hours ago | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Melbourne extends lockdown as Australia sees new COVID-19 infections → https://is.gd/jbikdM | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +11884 cases (now 1.7 million), +154 deaths (now 29374) since 23 hours ago | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Vaccinating healthcare workers against covid-19: Parliament’s decision to make vaccination against covid-19 a condition of employment for care home workers12 has fuelled the debate around compulsory vaccination for healthcare workers, which may... → https://is.gd/QEtygR | 11:25 |
| StayHungry | Err... Which parliament? Last time I checked there was no global government :) | 11:31 |
| undefined_bob | StayHungry: Brainstorm is a bot. He quotes only headlines. Follow the link for details of the headline :) | 11:42 |
| StayHungry | (: | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: We've sequenced 2 million viruses & developed vaccines.We've done the impossible in this pandemic & this is the 1 problem that's just too hard?No.This just doesn't impact wealthy countries, so we aren't moving mountains to solve [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rKIFab | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Austria: +902 cases (now 665035), +1 deaths (now 10752) since a day ago | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: R to @firefoxx66: And yes it's hard.So is global real-time sequencing.So is developing multiple effective vaccines.So is rewiring economies & shutting society.So is making cheap & fast viral tests.We've done so much "hard" in this pandemic.We can do better here too. → https://is.gd/6uPPSS | 12:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Croatia: +381 cases (now 365716) since 23 hours ago — Liechtenstein: +12 cases (now 3119) since a day ago | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +326 cases (now 1.1 million), +8 deaths (now 34331) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +3126 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Listen: Two physicians, one of whom had a ‘breakthrough infection,’ on Covid-19 among the vaccinated: In this week's episode of the "First Opinion Podcast," psychiatrist @StevieBoy_MD shares his experience of getting Covid-19 after being vaccinated. Infectious disease expert @celinegounder puts these cases into perspective. → https://is.gd/HJsam2 | 13:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: RNA firm GreenLight Biosciences to go public in $1.2 billion deal: A synthetic biology company whose research ranges from developing pesticide alternatives for crops to a Covid-19 vaccine candidate plans to go public to advance its RNA manufacturing platform. → https://is.gd/7CUQFG | 14:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +42541 cases (now 4.3 million), +536 deaths (now 95647) since a day ago — Iceland: +170 cases (now 9126) since a day ago — Nepal: +2616 cases (now 723296), +30 deaths (now 10180) since a day ago | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Diplomacy: Swiss Embassy: Scientist cited by Chinese media on coronavirus doesn’t exist → https://is.gd/CwIBa5 | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen, COVID-19 vaccine (Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 11/03/2021, Revision: 6, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/leysw6 | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +10420 cases (now 1.4 million), +237 deaths (now 23398) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +2124 cases (now 731148) since a day ago | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: Some Upcoming Changes: There are some upgrades going on behind the scenes here, and I wanted to let everyone know that by the end of the month, things will look a bit different. The Science journal family is switching to a single publishing platform (articles, blogs, the lot), and that will mean that the blog will look a The [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YKCOE1 | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Public Favors Masks in Classrooms but Balks at Vaccine Mandates: With schools reopening, poll finds two-thirds of parents support mandating masks for unvaccinated students, but resistance to vaccinating students remains high. “My child is not a test dummy,” one Black parent told pollsters. Some parents deferred the decision to their teens. → https://is.gd/pgyGxM | 16:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kosovo: +888 cases (now 111644), +1 deaths (now 2274) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +3567 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +1389 cases (now 1.9 million) since 13 hours ago | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for North Macedonia: +588 cases (now 159269), +8 deaths (now 5521) since 23 hours ago — Greenland: +14 cases (now 201) since 23 hours ago | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Wednesday 11 August 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/dnQm92 | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: COVID-19 Booster Vaccine in Autoimmune Disease Non-Responders: Conditions : Rheumatoid Arthritis; Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (SLE); Pemphigus Vulgaris; Multiple Sclerosis; Systemic Sclerosis (SSc) → https://is.gd/ijEyyP | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Co-Sér: Serological Analysis and Viral Neutralization in People With a Documented COViD-19 Infection → https://is.gd/K3lRuG | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Being Unvaccinated For COVID Will Cost Students At A Small College An Extra $750: West Virginia Wesleyan College won't require students to be vaccinated against COVID-19 — at least not yet. But the small Christian liberal arts school says it will charge students who aren't. → https://is.gd/TpstDO | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Serbia: +921 cases (now 728167), +5 deaths (now 7151) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +26492 cases (now 6.1 million) since 15 hours ago | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Indonesian army says has stopped ‘virginity tests’ on female cadets → https://is.gd/5EvwZD | 18:50 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Italy has had 4.4 million confirmed cases (7.3% of all people) and 128273 deaths (2.9% of cases) as of a day ago. 79.7 million tests were done (5.5% positive). 40.0 million were vaccinated (66.5%). See https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-dashboard or https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/ | 19:02 |
| LjL | i added vaccinations | 19:02 |
| lunatunes | Of the deaths is it still mostly unvaccinated dying? | 19:10 |
| dTal | define "mostly" | 19:11 |
| LjL | i'm not sure about Italy | 19:12 |
| LjL | in the UK it's probably more vaccinated now, it was already 1/3 a while ago | 19:12 |
| dTal | that's a good point, it's going to depend strongly on the base rate of vaccination | 19:13 |
| LjL | https://www.iss.it/documents/5430402/0/ISS+report+Impact+of+COVID-19+vaccination+EN.pdf/c747aff2-0e36-03e9-3db2-30cac10fabde?t=1628347324036 has a lot of information about vaccination in Italy (in English) but not that particular thing. it looks at relative risk of various things n days after vaccination chiefly | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: R to @firefoxx66: Even though these numbers change a little bit depending on definition, the takeaway is that this is well within the expected efficacy of vaccines.It's easy for big numbers to sound scary, but context matters! Here, the number of people vaccinated is much, much bigger!6/N → https://is.gd/gZUF27 | 19:23 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Impatto della vaccinazione COVID-19 sul rischio di infezione da SARS-CoV-2 e successivo ricovero e decesso in Italia ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/DFEK973J ) | 19:23 | |
| lunatunes | thanks for the link | 19:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +17023 cases (now 4.7 million), +93 deaths (now 82320) since a day ago — Italy: +6921 cases (now 4.4 million), +31 deaths (now 128304) since a day ago | 19:38 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/9A872FQP ) | 19:50 | |
| -Bridgestorm- 🏠 Linog! Lindol! Earthquake! 5.6 Mb tremor, registered by alomax, with 53 reports, 41 early, occurred 8 minutes ago (17:46:14 UTC), with a crescent moon, Tibanbang, Philippines (6.59, 126.2) ± 83 km, ↓12 km likely felt 270 km away (in Governor Generoso, Davao City, Mati, Lupon, San Isidro…) by 2.7 million people (alomax.free.fr) | 19:54 | |
| LjL | it's actually 6.9 according to GFZ which is more reliable, also a ton of reports | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Azerbaijan: +2396 cases (now 357058), +11 deaths (now 5095) since a day ago — Kenya: +1974 cases (now 215730), +30 deaths (now 4241) since a day ago — Canada: +8 deaths (now 26687) since 21 hours ago | 20:02 |
| lastshell | Does anybody knows how long last the inmuniy from the mRNA vaccine still 6 months ? | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: SARS-CoV-2: don't ignore non-canonical genes: Hi Anna, thank you for this! VIGOR4 is easy to use, which is great, and the output table is very clear. I’m glad you’ve annotated all of these. I tested it and I note that for the results for ORF3d, it says “no evidence of expression”, but I think that there [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/huUoW9 | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Yelp’s New Feature Shows if Businesses Require Vaccinations: Along with its new features, Yelp has guidelines to protect businesses from damaging reviews based on COVID-19 safety measures. → https://is.gd/ieyHnP | 20:18 |
| LjL | lastshell, six months seems like a reasonable estimate at this point, but it could be more, or less, and also, immunity is probabilistic, so there really isn't *one* cutoff time | 20:23 |
| LjL | in more vulnerable people, Israel is giving a third shot after 6 months | 20:23 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ Linog! Lindol! Earthquake! 7.1 Mb tremor, occurred 53 minutes ago (17:46:14 UTC), with a crescent moon, Pondaguitan, Philippines (6.46, 126.74) likely felt 560 km away (in Mati…) by 141100 people (quakesearch.geonet.org.nz) | 20:39 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Albania: +286 cases (now 134487) since a day ago | 20:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Why Is It Taking So Long to Get Vaccines for Kids?: The timing of the latest COVID-19 surge isn’t great for children. Millions have already started the school year, the rest will do so in the coming weeks, and COVID-19 vaccines aren’t yet available for the 50 million Americans who haven’t reached their 12th birthday. → https://is.gd/ISZnZh | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +29669 cases (now 6.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Aug 11, 2021: COVID-19 and corticosteroids US COVID testing H5N6 in China More breaded chicken Salmonella cases → https://is.gd/D0XP4i | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: Nurse suspected of injecting thousands with saline solution instead of coronavirus vaccine in Germany! → https://is.gd/cAWu68 | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +703 cases (now 32.0 million), +173 deaths (now 429188) since 13 hours ago | 22:07 |
| hecklerfeller | .title https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/10-av-82-smittade-pa-angsbacka-var-vaccinerade | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | hecklerfeller: From sverigesradio.se: Få av de smittade på Ängsbacka var vaccinerade - P4 Värmland | Sveriges Radio | 22:17 |
| hecklerfeller | topol in twitter on that vacc comparison study. reading the discussion might give us view what we should think about it (pfizer lookin weak vs moderna) | 22:22 |
| hecklerfeller | .title https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1425537104575041537 | 22:22 |
| Brainstorm | hecklerfeller: From twitter.com: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "That's right. Not at all confident about this big gap vs Moderna with the matching methodology used. But it is a replication of the Israeli (Pfizer) data of ~40% and it is [...] | 22:22 |
| hecklerfeller | .title https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/11/nurse-in-germany-suspected-of-replacing-covid-vaccines-with-saline-solution | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | hecklerfeller: From www.theguardian.com: Nurse in Germany suspected of replacing Covid vaccines with saline solution | Coronavirus | The Guardian | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada getting vaccine passport for international travel → https://is.gd/SG9x9G | 22:26 |
| hecklerfeller | dudes, link me couple of things: whats the best we have on reinfections, especially with indian variant | 22:26 |
| hecklerfeller | and another: israels age group based waning effect, i think ive linked here some tweets with graphs, but i dont have them saved | 22:27 |
| hecklerfeller | i think i need to use them soon in finnish discussion, that ive activated on a bit lately. because antivaxers have activated with new arguments lately | 22:28 |
| hecklerfeller | wake up, dance away the apathy. have a cup of coffee | 22:29 |
| LjL | no | 22:30 |
| LjL | https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/ | 22:30 |
| LjL | not very populated | 22:30 |
| LjL | https://bnonews.com/index.php/reinfection-tracker-suspected-cases/ more populated | 22:30 |
| LjL | %papers delta reinfections | 22:32 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: An error occurred while searching. | 22:32 |
| hecklerfeller | those suspected cases used to be false mostly. especially here with such low prevalence, like they said in turku they had tens of cases last year. im not believing... | 22:33 |
| hecklerfeller | maybe now larger share is real | 22:33 |
| hecklerfeller | not any that would show the likelihood as a function of time, with decent confidence? | 22:35 |
| hecklerfeller | im thinking about vaccines, what kind of vaccine would give as lasting protection as natural infection. first i should know how lasting it could be | 22:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: lmclerno_91236: Studies look at COVID childbirth, breastmilk vaccine antibodies → https://is.gd/UNPClV | 22:36 |
| LjL | well it seems that people who had COVID *and* the Pfizer had more lasting immunity than those who only had Pfizer | 22:37 |
| LjL | based on... probably some study you posted :P | 22:37 |
| nixonix | with this information right now, id prefer moderna as a third. lets see if its possible | 22:38 |
| nixonix | also studies on meaning of quality of abs, meaning those maturated in GCs, quality vs quantity, i you see something coming out, link them to me | 22:40 |
| nixonix | their definition for probable reinfection is pretty tight, so maybe its very close to 100% | 22:45 |
| nixonix | maybe they could calculate the probability for those possible reinfections, and then use it to calculate the reinfection likelihood as a function of time. the sample qualities vary tho, so using only those with enough information | 22:46 |
| nixonix | and if its possible, then maybe its done already | 22:46 |
| nixonix | Among 2,021 students previously infected in Fall 2020, risk of re-infection during the Spring 2021 semester was 2.2%; estimated protection from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection was 84% (95% CI: 78%–88%) | 22:53 |
| nixonix | only pcr based study, no sequencing | 22:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Airlines split on COVID-19 vaccine mandates for employees: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Aug 11, 2021 In other major new developments, the CDC strongly recommended vaccination for pregnant women, as hospitalizations rise in many areas--along with nursing shortages. → https://is.gd/2diY81 | 22:58 |
| nixonix | Germany’s leaders have set out new coronavirus regulations for the coming months, including abolishing free rapid testing to incentivise people to get vaccinated | 23:00 |
| nixonix | yeah thats what ive said already, we need cruel incentives | 23:01 |
| dTal | free lateral flow tests are a dubious public health measure | 23:10 |
| dTal | people are using them as green lights | 23:11 |
| dTal | on the other hand, if they didn't think they were green lights, they wouldn't be using them at all | 23:11 |
| dTal | I think I'd better stockpile lateral flow tests though just in case | 23:11 |
| LjL | dTal, i think de-facto said someone found they had the strongest effectiveness of any NPI or something | 23:12 |
| LjL | %papers re-infection | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 4 papers: SARS-CoV-2 re-infection: a case report from Qatar by Alanoud AlFehaidi et al, dated 2020-10-30 → https://www.doi.org/10.1016/j.jinf.2020.10.019 — Asymptomatic COVID-19 re-infection in a Japanese male by elevated half-maximal inhibitory concentration (IC by Makoto Inada et al, dated 2021-05-09 → https://www.doi.org/10.1016/j.jiac.2021.04.017 [... want %more?] | 23:12 |
| dTal | ...National Provider Identifiers? | 23:12 |
| LjL | this used to be something else, now it's from outbreak.info | 23:12 |
| LjL | non-pharmaceutical intervention | 23:12 |
| dTal | Narcissistic Personality Inventory? | 23:12 |
| dTal | oh lol | 23:12 |
| dTal | well, that's interesting if tru | 23:13 |
| LjL | dTal, in the case of Germany though, it entails/entailed a bunch of restrictions if you did not have a recent negative test, like not being able to to go malls | 23:15 |
| dTal | How can they verify a recent test? | 23:15 |
| dTal | You'd need a kind of lateral flow that changed color after a few hours or something. | 23:16 |
| LjL | dTal, https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.11129 | 23:17 |
| LjL | dTal, they're done by pharmacies | 23:17 |
| LjL | they're not self-administered | 23:17 |
| LjL | (i believe) | 23:17 |
| LjL | (that's the way in Greece anyway) | 23:17 |
| dTal | That sounds high-overhead and very much a different kettle of fish to the UK method of just spamming the tests everywhere | 23:18 |
| nixonix | here only nurses can administer tests (well you can do yourself, but it wouldnt be used by anything other than for your won amusement) | 23:18 |
| LjL | dTal, well they had one or two such free tests per week | 23:18 |
| LjL | seems like they pulled it off successfully | 23:18 |
| dTal | on the whole I'm glad the UK is spamming tests everywhere, even if people are using them irresponsibly on occasion | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: us: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Safe, Efficacious in Adolescents → https://is.gd/QOv4B5 | 23:19 |
| dTal | here you can have a dozen a day if you want | 23:19 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: The Effectiveness of Strategies to Contain SARS-CoV-2: Testing, Vaccinations, and NPIs ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/97XEHZ5X ) | 23:20 | |
| nixonix | which increases the costs, and needs personnel away from other things they are needed for. one hc chief just commented, should we do like in denmark and allow some other personnel do them, that labor unions roared | 23:20 |
| nixonix | now theres push for vaccine/ negative test certificates required for bars and events. the cost, who pays it, rapid tests or not, law changes needed, time that it will take to make it happen etc | 23:23 |
| nixonix | they considered it in may, but then just stopped thinking when there would be summer soon, and everything would be like summer of 69 | 23:23 |
| nixonix | i mean 2020 | 23:23 |
| nixonix | but it will be easier to just do nothing. maybe it just goes away | 23:25 |
| nixonix | like when hc officials were asked late 2020, why finland doesnt try to make its own vaccine orders (besides with eu): "it would be laborious" | 23:26 |
| nixonix | and who knows, maybe its dying. the virus. like in uk | 23:26 |
| nixonix | im here all week | 23:26 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/world/asia/beijing-winter-olympics-covid.html | 23:29 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nytimes.com: Tokyo’s Olympic Bubble? Wait Till You See Beijing’s. - The New York Times | 23:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Studies detail COVID childbirth, breastmilk vaccine antibodies: Lianna Matt McLernon | News Writer | CIDRAP News Aug 11, 2021 The results help support the CDC's recommendation to vaccinate pregnant women. → https://is.gd/dKHidF | 23:30 |
| nixonix | Guards in biohazard suits, ready to stop anyone from leaving. Athletes giving interviews from behind plastic walls, speaking through microphones. All-day armpit thermometers, with tiny transmitters to sound the alarm should someone develop a fever | 23:31 |
| specing | isnt everyone vaccinated already? | 23:34 |
| specing | of the olympians and staff | 23:34 |
| nixonix | .titlehttps://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1425055635041886222 | 23:37 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1425055635041886222 | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Alex Kokcharov (@AlexKokcharov): "In #Russia, the number of officially reported #COVID19 deaths has been hovering just below the 800 per day mark for weeks. Such consistency is statistically [...] | 23:37 |
| nixonix | if i recall, 85% of athletes in tokyo were vaccinated. claimed in some media anyway | 23:38 |
| nixonix | oh i have a great article on tokyo. you guys know finnish? | 23:38 |
| nixonix | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008175252.html | 23:39 |
| nixonix | There is a national emergency in Tokyo, but on the bar streets, the festivities continue to be carefreely foggy. HS left for Tokyo night and met 19 partygoers. Everyone said the same thing: Japan’s corona restrictions are one big joke. | 23:40 |
| nixonix | and here's the original url https://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008175252.html | 23:41 |
| LjL | why on earth were they not *all* vaccinated?! | 23:42 |
| LjL | %trials hydrochloroquine | 23:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 7 results out of 7: Efficacy and safety of Hydroxychloroquine, Azythromycine and Zinc for the treatment of patients with SARS-Cov2 infection in Senegal: a dose ranging randomised trial. COVID-19, dated 2020-05-14 (not completed) → https://pactr.samrc.ac.za/TrialDisplay.aspx?TrialID=11053 [... want %more?] | 23:42 |
| LjL | %trials hydroxychloroquine | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 10 results out of 781: A Phase IIa Randomized, Controlled Study of Combination Therapies to Treat COVID-19 Infection by Sabine Hazan, MD, dated 2020-06-25 (not completed) → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04459702 [... want %more?] | 23:43 |
| nixonix | awesome article, read that ljl and others too. it has some mistranslations like in this: | 23:44 |
| nixonix | In Shibuya, for example, a man pretending to be a European TV photographer glues next to him without a mask and strikes an eye. “Great Olympics. Tomorrow is working day again, ”he says, saying he went out almost every night. | 23:44 |
| nixonix | it isnt supposed to be "pretending", but "introduces oneself" | 23:44 |
| LjL | %tr <ja 今、渋谷のスタジオーは揺れています | 23:45 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Japanese to English: The studio in Shibuya is shaking now (MyMemory, Google) | 23:45 |
| nixonix | its about the face. you are pretending to do shit, but you arent doing shit | 23:48 |
| LjL | well japan has not done so badly though in any case, until recently at least | 23:48 |
| LjL | do they just have better genes, like, clearly, the finns? | 23:49 |
| nixonix | we have? maybe its those neanderthal genes then | 23:51 |
| nixonix | In Europe, Finns had the highest Neanderthal DNA rate with 1.2 percent. Utah residents with northern and western European roots came in at 1.17 percent. And Puerto Ricans had only 1.05 percent Neanderthal in them. | 23:51 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3 | 23:52 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nature.com: The major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neanderthals | Nature | 23:52 |
| LjL | if that's true ("the risk is conferred by a genomic segment of around 50 kilobases in size that is inherited from Neanderthals and is carried by around 50% of people in south Asia and around 16% of people in Europe") then why has Europe been doing much worse? ;( | 23:53 |
| nixonix | there are probably other factors. like ive linked about east asians being in much less risk for clotting | 23:54 |
| rpifan | well i had covid and im latino / english extraction | 23:54 |
| nixonix | and another study that thinks a mutation in this indian variant is worst for east asians | 23:54 |
| rpifan | and my symptoms werent so severe | 23:54 |
| nixonix | what symptoms did you have? all with no previous infection, and no vaccine? | 23:55 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01827-w | 23:59 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nature.com: The quest to find genes that drive severe COVID | 23:59 |
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