| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): In just a week, 6 new studies have now reported how T cells, induced from multiple vaccines or prior Covid, hold up quite well vs Omicron (i.e. they exhibit cross-reactivity), which should help protect vs severe disease pic.twitter.com/lWVKlxLMjP → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478138671257645056 | 00:04 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Korea’s vaccine passes now have an expiration date. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvepka/south_koreas_vaccine_passes_now_have_an/ | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Ancestral SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells cross-recognize Omicron (B.1.1.529) → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rvf92n/ancestral_sarscov2specific_t_cells_crossrecognize/ | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): New York State is a key bellwether for the US now, w/ the highest case/capita count, higher vaccinated (72 vs 62% US), much prior Covid, test positivity > 20%Hospitalizations are steeply rising, mostly in people unvaccinated (thru 12/20) Not a good look for other [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478151699726434307 | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than 100,000 people hospitalized with Covid-19 in US for first time in nearly four months → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvg0dh/more_than_100000_people_hospitalized_with_covid19/ | 01:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Top health official says Israel has 'no control' over Omicron as cases keep surging → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvg7nd/top_health_official_says_israel_has_no_control/ | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19: New variant, B.1.640.2, detected in France - study → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvgfab/covid19_new_variant_b16402_detected_in_france/ | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Virus leaves antibodies that may attack healthy tissues; B cell antibodies weakened, not defeated by Omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvgnf8/virus_leaves_antibodies_that_may_attack_healthy/ | 01:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Can COVID-19 alter your personality? Here's what brain research shows. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rvgysf/can_covid19_alter_your_personality_heres_what/ | 01:56 |
| LjL | "Among 177 healthcare workers who had recovered from confirmed coronavirus infections contracted before the availability of vaccines, all had persistent autoantibodies, including ones that can cause chronic inflammation and injury of the joints, skin and nervous system." | 02:04 |
| LjL | "We don't yet know how much longer, beyond six months, the antibodies will stay elevated and/or lead to any important clinical symptoms," Cheng said. "It will be essential to monitor individuals moving forward." | 02:04 |
| LjL | it's awesome, the disconnect between researchers and the real world | 02:04 |
| LjL | sure, all individuals who've gotten COVID will be monitored for specific autoantibodies over time | 02:04 |
| LjL | when we don't even have rapid tests! | 02:04 |
| JanC | ? | 02:05 |
| JanC | "we" have "rapid tests" | 02:05 |
| LjL | ok | 02:06 |
| JanC | and I assume these scientists monitor that group to get some insight? | 02:07 |
| LjL | whatever | 02:07 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyISrHVKw | 02:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From www.youtube.com: Don't Look Up - Don't Trip, It's All Good - YouTube | 02:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | I think this was one of the funniest scenes ... ever. I had to stop it and take a break, my stomach still hurts from giggling like a high school girl | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Starbucks to require all U.S. workers get COVID-19 vaccine or tested → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvhg97/starbucks_to_require_all_us_workers_get_covid19/ | 02:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Long Covid Patients Report Vibrations, Tremors: ‘My Body Is Moving Inside, It’s Jolting → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvhpoi/long_covid_patients_report_vibrations_tremors_my/ | 02:44 |
| LjL | ... | 02:49 |
| finely[m] | https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/04/t-cells-can-fight-omicron-when-antibodies-fail-to-australian-researchers-say | 02:56 |
| LjL | well, i've added that study to Zotero, and normally i wouldn't have to say that as the bot would just send a notice that i have | 03:03 |
| LjL | so i guess that speaks in favor of keeping that here rather than in -ticker | 03:03 |
| LjL | %vax corbevax | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such vaccine found. Try checking https://covidvax.org | 03:09 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New patent-free COVID vaccine developed as “gift to the world” → https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvibvc/new_patentfree_covid_vaccine_developed_as_gift_to/ | 03:11 |
| LjL | not sure what to think of the article (or what it's published on), and i don't see a link to study data, but | 03:11 |
| LjL | "The trial data was compared to an already approved vaccine called Covishield (the Indian-made version of Astrazeneca’s well-known COVID-19 vaccine). Corbevax generated significantly fewer adverse effects than Covishield and produced superior immune responses." | 03:11 |
| LjL | "Neutralizing antibody responses to Corbevax indicate the vaccine should be at least 80 percent effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 from the Delta variant. Specific data against the Omicron variant is expected soon but it is hypothesized to be at least as effective as most currently available vaccines." | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: The SARS-CoV-2 variant, Omicron, shows rapid replication in human primary nasal epithelial cultures and efficiently uses the endosomal route of entry. → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rvidfc/the_sarscov2_variant_omicron_shows_rapid/ | 03:12 |
| LjL | why are protein-unit based vaccines taking so much longer than both mRNA and adenovirus vaccines, by the way? anyone who knows more specifics of how it all works? | 03:13 |
| LjL | i do realize mRNA vaccines have "speed" as one of their touted advantages | 03:13 |
| LjL | but i also suspect Novavax and this other thing are much smaller than Pfizer | 03:13 |
| LjL | i don't know if Novavax is struggling with production, or with providing data and getting back EUAs | 03:13 |
| LjL | Novavax was already found safe and effective several months ago, but it's barely now being authorized | 03:14 |
| sdfgsdfg | even australia ordered enough doses for 2 times the australian population, about 50 mill, but it's still nowhere to be seen - they were saying it'll show up in here maybe at the end of january | 03:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Schools nationwide confront the chaos of Omicron. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvis5u/schools_nationwide_confront_the_chaos_of_omicron/ | 03:31 |
| LjL | sometimes uh "pro-vaccine activists" for lack of a better term sound as unreal as their anti-vax counterparts | 03:31 |
| LjL | https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rv6kjs/covid19_french_mps_get_death_threats_over_support/hr4jkhj/ "it really isn't hard to explain. One person (vaccinated) has a cold for a day or 2 if even that. Most are 'infected' but realistically wouldn't know they are infected if they weren't tested." | 03:32 |
| LjL | that's so totally not the experience of many vaccinated people | 03:32 |
| LjL | my vaccinated cousin and my vaccinated uncle are still feeling bad | 03:32 |
| LjL | they're not in hospital, but it's at least like they've had a bad flu | 03:32 |
| LjL | same with another person i know who has got her booster as well | 03:32 |
| LjL | "a cold for a day or two", they'd all probably punch someone who said that - if they had the energy | 03:33 |
| Tuvix | I spent some time on this for another channel, but it might be mildly interesting here. The source is CDC data, although the October month death information only goes up to mid-month due to the dataset I'm using (reported up to the 10th of Oct.) Death outcomes grouped by month and vaccination status, and additional charts broken down by age range: https://imgur.com/a/Lm9sdzR | 03:37 |
| LjL | Tuvix, this is not normalized by the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated, right? it's just the raw numbers? | 03:38 |
| LjL | ('cause if not, then it doesn't look great for the people 80+) | 03:39 |
| Tuvix | Just the number of reports, correct, no normalizing. That caught my attention too, although perhaps the impact of co-morbidities plays a big factor? | 03:39 |
| Tuvix | I mean, I think age alone there is a risk factor. It also only breaks it out by "unvaccinated" and "vaccinated", with no regard for boosting. | 03:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New infections shatter single-day record with over 1 million cases; FDA OKs Pfizer booster for 12- to 15-year-olds: COVID updates → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rviw58/new_infections_shatter_singleday_record_with_over/ | 03:40 |
| Tuvix | I _think_ the CDC is just now starting to ask hospitals to report that (or will be asking for it in a week or so.) Doesn't help for historical data though which likely won't have indications. | 03:40 |
| Tuvix | Looks like the 80+ range had better results until around July, which was just went delta was starting to make the rounds I think? | 03:41 |
| LjL | Tuvix, well there is the usual "if 100% were vaccinated, 100% of illness/death would be in the vaccinated"... probably (and hopefully) the 80+ are the most vaccinated, so with normalization that might look a lot more reassuring | 03:44 |
| LjL | although yeah, if Delta made the vaccines much weaker, that's sad, especially considering we got everyone on board with lockdowns and vaccinations originally with "think of the elderly" | 03:44 |
| LjL | (i'd say now "think of yourself" is a pressing concern for anyone who keeps up with any of the scary studies on consequences, though) | 03:44 |
| Tuvix | Yea, but the irony being that those refusing probably aren't keeping up on that info either :\ | 03:46 |
| Tuvix | And sure, it would have been interesting to co-plot the percentage of each group vaccinated, but since this is a single dataset I didn't easily have that available. I could probably go pull that info and plut it myself though, and you're right that may be a useful tool to compare especially the higher age-groups with the most vaccination. | 03:47 |
| Tuvix | Or just express it as incidence rate per population. | 03:48 |
| LjL | for Italy i have sites that offer that data | 03:48 |
| Tuvix | I'm sure the CDC has it, I'd just have to cross-reference it with the chart I have and plot them again after filtering & breaking down the data. Maybe later this week, although I'm annoyed this death data doesn't go past mid-Oct (why not at least Nov, even if we need a few weeks to get the data in?) | 03:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Does Covid-19 in children have a milder course than Influenza? → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rvix1s/does_covid19_in_children_have_a_milder_course/ | 03:49 |
| Tuvix | Could just be that lag is >=4 weeks for this stuff I suppose. | 03:49 |
| LjL | Tuvix, this looks like it has the ratios https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/3rge-nu2a/data | 03:51 |
| Tuvix | Uh, I actually used that exact same dataset for this chart; maybe I need to grab the raw numbers of vax'd vs unvax'd from it too and do the math to normalize those out. | 03:52 |
| Tuvix | Their "visualization" stuff has some limits on how you can arrange the data. | 03:52 |
| LjL | Tuvix, aren't the "IR" numbers normalized incidence? | 03:52 |
| JanC | vaccines are less effective for 80+ people, so most of them being vaccinated is less useful than it seems... | 03:52 |
| Tuvix | Still significant into Oct JanC. Using that metric, the rate of 80+ unvax'd dead/100k is 130.3 vs. 22.7 for vaccinated. | 03:55 |
| Tuvix | LjL: Thanks, I saw that column but must have skimmed it too fast because I though tall it had was info on the number vaccinated, not incidence per population. This makes their tools a lot more practical to create charts without doing all the row-handling myself in spreadsheets & pivots/filters! | 03:56 |
| JanC | oh, certainly being vaccinated is still important, but (on average) the older you get the more your immune system degrades, so the more important it becomes that the people around you (close to you) are vaccinated & take other measures to keep you safe | 03:57 |
| JanC | and those people around you are usually a lot younger than you by then | 03:57 |
| Tuvix | Yup, and more likely to be going to other social places (work, shopping, some bars & entertainment) and less likely to be vaccinated than the oldest. | 03:58 |
| LjL | i'd say mostly "other measures" considering vaccination seems to do very little against *infection* with omicron | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hospitalizations for Covid rise sharply in New York State, nearing last winter’s peak. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvjdde/hospitalizations_for_covid_rise_sharply_in_new/ | 03:59 |
| LjL | herd immunity (by vaccination) should still be the goal IMO. but... not with these vaccines, it just can't be. we need vaccines that confer a significant likelihood of sterile immunity | 03:59 |
| JanC | vaccinations have some effect, but not enough on their own | 04:00 |
| JanC | that's why most places re-introduced various restrictions & lockdowns | 04:00 |
| Tuvix | Meanwhile stateside, we're largely waiting for systems (schools, hospitals, workplaces, etc) to literally break and then reacting. Some places are trying to be proactive, but it's a huge patchwork. | 04:01 |
| JanC | say it reduces infections 20%, that would mean it postpones overloading the healthcare system, but doesn't prevent it :) | 04:01 |
| LjL | well clearly that's not a vaccine we can use as a solution to the problem | 04:03 |
| LjL | but i don't like to pretend that it wasn't touted as such at first, and that there wasn't hope of that | 04:03 |
| JanC | so for now vaccinations are part of a number of things that each don't have enough effect on their own, but work well enough when combined | 04:03 |
| LjL | it's just that with Alpha onwards, it became much worse at preventing infection | 04:03 |
| LjL | and i don't want to live the rest of my life with lockdowns and all sorts of restrictions, so i really hope better, multivalent vaccines with much higher than 20% immunity arise | 04:03 |
| JanC | (the 20% I mentioned was imaginary; I didn't look up actual numbers) | 04:04 |
| LjL | we don't even have actual numbers, it's hard to evaluate | 04:05 |
| LjL | but i think it's safe to assume it's nearly-0% with Omicron | 04:05 |
| LjL | it was already pretty meh with Delta | 04:05 |
| LjL | (we'd have had actual numbers on the wild strain, at least, if Pfizer and Moderna had been kind enough to do testing) | 04:05 |
| LjL | (we have those numbers from AstraZeneca, and for that one, they were bad from the start) | 04:05 |
| JanC | just shortening the time someone is sick would have an effect on its own, so it's not 0 | 04:06 |
| LjL | only if people recklessly don't isolate while still sick... but no sane government would recommend going back to work after 5 days... whoops, they do, you say? the CDC does? oh okay | 04:07 |
| JanC | sick/contagious | 04:07 |
| Tuvix | Sure, although if it still spreads before people are even aware they have it (showing symptoms or tested positive) it'll still be able to spread. And at R>1 for any given variant, that'll cause problems. | 04:07 |
| JanC | I think they don't suggest you go back to work while you still have symptoms? | 04:07 |
| Tuvix | LjL: Right, and however effective the actualy guidance may be, that's assuming it's followed. They're just guidelines, after all. | 04:07 |
| Tuvix | actual* | 04:08 |
| Tuvix | You _should_ (but don't have to if your employer doesn't require it) isolate for those 5 days. You _should_ (but again, need not) wear a mask when you come back (really N95 or better, but that's pushing it.) | 04:08 |
| LjL | Tuvix, again, i'm probably getting bored, but it's technically illegal to leave your home if you have more than 37.5°C temperature here, and if you're actively sick with COVID and you know it and yet flaunt quarantine, that's criminal, something like assault | 04:09 |
| LjL | s/bored/boring/ | 04:09 |
| JanC | the actual temperature is somewhat debatable, I suppose | 04:10 |
| LjL | yeah but that mainly determines in practice whether you can enter venues that measure your temperature | 04:10 |
| Tuvix | The flip side of that is that if you have harsh measures, it discourages testing. That's at least been the claim here, because if you have requirements for that but no enforced testing, people who can't/won't stay home just don't test (like that sports club local to me) | 04:10 |
| LjL | you don't actually get arrested for having 37.6 :P | 04:10 |
| LjL | Tuvix, but if you get tested, you also are allowed paid leave from work. if THAT isn't the case in the US, then maybe that's your problem... | 04:11 |
| Tuvix | You can't have isolation requirements without testing requirements, and no one wants to be the politician to do that state or nation-wide. | 04:11 |
| Tuvix | Correct, that is *not* universally the case here, and it would *also* have to be a mandate (paid leave, presumably covered by the federal government where states/employers couldn't) | 04:11 |
| Tuvix | And that's going to cost yet-more political capital we don't have to spend. | 04:11 |
| JanC | if you would get arrested for 37.6°C, every marathon runner would get arrested at the finish line :) | 04:11 |
| Tuvix | Our system is basically broken, or, rather, this particular event has shown where it's so ineffective to be able to react when science lays out the rules we're playing by. | 04:12 |
| LjL | Tuvix, i don't understand though, a country that could pick young people at random and send them to such a random place as Vietnam so they could come back destroyed (if at all) finds it scary to make some little things mandatory? | 04:12 |
| Tuvix | Omicron comes, and the best we can do is suggest that people get tested before going to parties, and maybe think about not going to them. | 04:12 |
| LjL | i'm never sure i quite get the general American mindset | 04:12 |
| JanC | different times | 04:13 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'm watching the recently censored... viral joerogan episode with robert malone, this dude makes so much sense | 04:13 |
| Tuvix | Well, I'm the wrong person to ask, because I think there are places that it's the government's role to lay out the ground rules. And we *do* have vaccine "mandates", just only for school children for things like Mumps, Measles, etc. | 04:13 |
| LjL | Tuvix, but in turn, instruction is compulsory (okay, i know, the objection to that is "home schooling is allowed") | 04:14 |
| Tuvix | The anti-vaxers have just joined forces with our political conservative party here and made friends to claim together that Covid-19 restrictions, of *any* sort, are some kind of an assualt to freedoms. | 04:14 |
| LjL | it's already the second headline i read (yesterday or so, don't remember details) with this or that think-tank thinking that the US will become a dictatorship by 2030, or that the next elections will be the last free ones | 04:14 |
| Tuvix | That's the real problem, when that message is then echoed and either misrepresented truths (things that are "partly" but not really true) or flat out lies are repeated by politicians at our highest levels of government. | 04:14 |
| LjL | i have no idea what merit there is to those claims but yikes | 04:15 |
| Tuvix | Well, 2020's election was a dumpster fire, not because of how it was run (it was one of the most secure elections in the country's history, and this by the ex-president's own cybersecurity head) but the real problem was the number of politicians that fell in line to say all the lies the idiot in charge at the white house wanted them to. | 04:16 |
| LjL | plus, there was a near-coup... | 04:16 |
| Tuvix | The actual election workers did their jobs, but the fear is that these are now "dangerous" jobs because you'll get hate mail, hate-voicemail, and even death-threats. For doing your job.. | 04:16 |
| LjL | :\ | 04:16 |
| LjL | guess what | 04:16 |
| LjL | being an election worker is technically mandatory here :P | 04:16 |
| LjL | it's like jury duty | 04:17 |
| Tuvix | Yea, although the people doing the supervising presumably have training and standards to follow. | 04:17 |
| LjL | there are representatives from the parties here | 04:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: FDA authorizes Pfizer booster dose for 12 to 17 year-olds: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jan 03, 2022 In other COVID developments, federal officials cleared two more rapid tests for emergency use as the weekly case average soared higher. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/fda-authorizes-pfizer-booster-dose-12-17-year-olds | 04:17 |
| LjL | they are the ones who annoy the picked people to death with recounting and stuff | 04:18 |
| Tuvix | Ah, yea, if you balance it out with people from _all_ involved political parties, that may be a lot better. | 04:18 |
| Tuvix | Here a lot of those positions are actually partisan officials, either elected by the people or put in place by the state government officials. | 04:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | is it true that theres a financial incentive and bonuses for declaring a death is covid related in hospitals | 04:18 |
| Tuvix | What? No, that's illegal in the US anyway and would be a crime. | 04:19 |
| Tuvix | Not sure about other places, but I suspect falsifying birth/death certificates is a serious crime most places. | 04:19 |
| JanC | it would be fraud in every place that isn't some sort of dictatorship I'm sure | 04:21 |
| Tuvix | Here's teh NVSS reporting guidance from the CDC, if you wanted to get a summary of what is expected of cause-of-death reporting: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf | 04:22 |
| JanC | I mean, in Turkmenistan (IIR) it's illegal to declare anybody died of COVID-19, but... | 04:22 |
| Tuvix | I don't have a federal statute for you offhand, but I'm sure it's a federal-level offence to do that in the US. | 04:22 |
| Tuvix | Possibly 18 CFR §1519, but my understanding of federal law is quite limited. | 04:23 |
| JanC | so they have (nearly) 0 COVID-19 deaths in Turkmenistan, but there are lots of reports of people dying of "mysterious lung diseases" | 04:24 |
| Tuvix | Starting early in 2020, a comparison of excess deaths would likely reveal COVID underreporting, at least up to areas with subsequent disasters (war, famine, natural disasters, etc) going on concurrently. | 04:25 |
| Tuvix | For more than one unusual event it'll still hint at the impact, but may get harder to detangle the real cause. | 04:25 |
| JanC | Tuvix: even outside mandatory reporting & whatever, falsifying any official document tends to be illegal in most countries | 04:25 |
| JanC | falsifying some documents is punished harder than falsifying other documents of course | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 33,000 new COVID-19 cases in India; all States record rise → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvk3os/33000_new_covid19_cases_in_india_all_states/ | 04:27 |
| finely[m] | <Tuvix> "Here a lot of those positions..." <- There has been a big push of Qanon people into US vote counting/supervising roles. After the normal workers were harassed out of their roles with death threats, they are being replaced with people happy to undermine democracy for whichever fascist runs for president next time. | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Analysis: Xi'an massive lockdown tests limits of China's zero-Covid policy (people are running out of food and being attack by CCP thugs) → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvl3uu/analysis_xian_massive_lockdown_tests_limits_of/ | 05:23 |
| sdfgsdfg | is it true that astrazeneca doses make you even more vulnerable to covid ? | 05:28 |
| sdfgsdfg | (omicron variant) | 05:28 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://bartram.substack.com/p/negative-vaccine-efficiency-for-omicron | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 vaccine one important line of defense for students, but not the only one, says virologist → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvla8r/covid19_vaccine_one_important_line_of_defense_for/ | 05:32 |
| LjL | strattera, interestingly this blog post neglects to include the Figure 7 footnote that says | 05:34 |
| LjL | " The early observations for 2 doses of AstraZeneca are particularly likely to be unreliable as they are based on relative small numbers and are likely to reflect an older population and a population with more co-morbidities than those given the Pfizer vaccine, and this may explain the negative point estimates." | 05:34 |
| sdfgsdfg | apparently the study control numbers are also not reliably high, possibly | 05:34 |
| LjL | indeed, the confidence intervals are huge | 05:34 |
| LjL | i take this article to be in bad faith just for neglecting to include/discuss that crucial footnote | 05:34 |
| LjL | and below the figure it also says "These results should be interpreted with caution due to the low numbers and the possible | 05:35 |
| LjL | biases related to the populations with highest exposure to Omicron (including travellers and | 05:35 |
| LjL | their close contacts) which cannot fully be accounted for. | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: US surpasses 2M cases in one week for first time during pandemic; South Africa study finds omicron less severe: Latest COVID-19 updates → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvld58/us_surpasses_2m_cases_in_one_week_for_first_time/ | 05:42 |
| squirrel | bogdanoff twins died of covid | 06:04 |
| oerheks | yes, even frauds die of covid | 06:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Abraar Karan (@AbraarKaran): My thoughts in @politico on where Biden went wrong. And yes— I absolutely included a reference to the 2008 3M respirator that was meant for the public in a pandemic, with still no explanation for why these masks aren’t part of our response(@MyahWard) [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/AbraarKaran/status/1478231962745643009 | 06:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. Sets New Global Daily Record of Over 1 Million Virus Cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvmk1o/us_sets_new_global_daily_record_of_over_1_million/ | 06:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | I was waiting for this news article for a while now. Lets hope it's a wave for all of us just like in SA - but I don't think that's the case, ever since June even with Delta we had this neverending wave | 06:45 |
| Tuvix | I mean, delta was a wave, but we were still dealing with the tail of the surge going into winter and holidays here in the US when news of omicron broke. | 06:48 |
| sdfgsdfg | or maybe it's the definition of endemic, I don't think that there's an affordable threshold even with delta. | 06:48 |
| Tuvix | I think they announced it literally the day after thanksgiving. | 06:48 |
| Tuvix | Enough to literally bring hospitals to the breaking point is simply not managable. The US either needs to get its collective head out of the sand, or else quadrupple hospital capacity. | 06:49 |
| Tuvix | And if you think healthcare doesn't cost enough of GDP now… | 06:49 |
| Tuvix | (the reference being the US has one of the highest percentages of GDP spent on healthcare vs. other countries with similar or even better levels of health outcomes in the modern world) | 06:50 |
| oerheks | "Coronavirus leaves survivors with self-attacking antibodies" so it is not over yet | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron pushes New York virus hospitalizations past 2021 peak → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvmuym/omicron_pushes_new_york_virus_hospitalizations/ | 06:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The U.S. Sets a New Global Daily Record of Over One Million Coronavirus Cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvnc43/the_us_sets_a_new_global_daily_record_of_over_one/ | 07:25 |
| oerheks | Time? | 07:27 |
| oerheks | 426,051 new cases and 767 new deaths yesterday | 07:27 |
| Tuvix | Sounds to me like someone's was using or filling in data including for "missing" days and not associating the cases to the day they were tested positive on, or something similar. JHU's tracking also shows a similar number to yours today, at 404.k: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video | 07:30 |
| oerheks | global there are over 1m cases indeed, but that line suggests USA alone.. | 07:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron stats are huge, but look beyond them → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvnd96/omicron_stats_are_huge_but_look_beyond_them/ | 07:34 |
| Tuvix | Oh good, and the comments is already full of incorrect information being repeated from fringe sources. Although we're almost to the point where deaths "during" this administration will surpass the 420k or so under the former. Frankly that's a stupid way to look at death anyway, IMO. | 07:35 |
| oerheks | reddit as a sopurce.. | 07:35 |
| oerheks | -p | 07:36 |
| Tuvix | I want to grab some raw data to get a better idea, but I've mentally set the point when vaccines were more or less available to anyone who wanted them as the "turning point" for deaths, since that provided vastly improved outcomes for people who decided the overwhelming scientific data and recommendation to get vaccinated was a good idea. | 07:36 |
| Tuvix | For the most part, by June anyone who wanted to sign up for a vaccination could; I wasn't part of any special group that could line up early, and got my 1st dose 1st week in May, but others may have been a bit less willing to look at multiple venues to get the earliest registration. | 07:37 |
| Tuvix | A bit of ballpark estimation on the JHU cumulative case/death charts puts that mark around the 600k dead point. So the 826k who have died? 226k of that is post-vaccine-availability :\ | 07:39 |
| oerheks | did we find Pi ? B.1.640.2 https://www.bild.de/ratgeber/2022/ratgeber/b-1-640-2-hat-mehr-mutationen-als-omikron-neue-corona-variante-in-frankreich-ent-78715960.bild.html | 07:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. Sets Global Daily Record of Over 1 Million Virus Cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvnn3e/us_sets_global_daily_record_of_over_1_million/ | 07:44 |
| de-facto | a more aggressive variant after Omicron will come, and if we still tolerate global traveling without mandatory quarantine it will reach all of us. | 07:45 |
| Tuvix | I think that Time article is very misleading in the "1 million" figure people are now quoting. That presumably comes from the CDC (I think it was them) who stopped smoothing out non-reporting days in order to avoid showing actual spikes, but this is the opposite effect by producing a spike when there was a series of semi-expected non-reporting days for many health agencies. | 07:47 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.21268174v1 | 07:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Emergence in Southern France of a new SARS-CoV-2 variant of probably Cameroonian origin harbouring both substitutions N501Y and E484K in the spike protein | medRxiv | 07:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Do You Have 'COVID-somnia'? These Sleep Tips Might Help → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:53 |
| de-facto | if we observe the evolution of Omicron we should never forget how it was imported via tourism, its always the same repeating pattern since 2 years now, how many more mutants do we want to spread globally via airplane passengers? | 08:05 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but the alternative is closing borders completely with strict isolation for returning citizens coming home, and that's "undesirable" politically. | 08:06 |
| de-facto | "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" | 08:06 |
| Tuvix | Don't get me wrong, it would do a lot to have even basic mandatory testing & strict quarantine procedures for that, but there's appparently not any real desire to do that. | 08:06 |
| de-facto | it is even recognized as necessary for intercontinental traveling, why else would it be mandatory for animals? why would a pathogen for humans be an exception here? | 08:07 |
| Tuvix | You under-estimate the human capacity to believe that we are somehow exceptional in all respects. | 08:08 |
| de-facto | the pandemic will continue, as long as intercontinental tourism continues | 08:08 |
| Tuvix | Not just tourism; business and political international travel too. | 08:08 |
| Tuvix | Though at least high political flights probably consist of mostly highly-monitored staff. | 08:09 |
| de-facto | yes but if those are absolutely necessary they might afford 2 weeks quarantine in the destination, tourism would not | 08:09 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but here again, no country leader wants to be seen as the "killer of tourism" especially when cities that depend on it will decry the measures, even if it'll ultimately save millions of lives. | 08:10 |
| Tuvix | Saving 1M+ lives later is hard to see as valuable when your industry, your employees, your neighbors depend on that for income and food. It shouldn't be a zero-sum game, but it's played like it is. | 08:11 |
| de-facto | well thats why it will continue, with more and more aggressive mutants (because only those with fitness advantage will spread dominating the predecessor) | 08:11 |
| Tuvix | We're literally playing Conway's Game of Life out in realtime… | 08:11 |
| de-facto | maybe in a few years humans will begin to recognize the pattern | 08:11 |
| Tuvix | We really need more coordinated measures, but from the looks of it that's almost impossible. EU has the closest thing to a collection of independent but bordering countries that agree to try and follow a set of common rules, but that's all based on voluntary acceptance by member countries for most of that. | 08:13 |
| de-facto | it will repeat patiently with a few more mutants every year to show us our insane way of global traveling | 08:13 |
| Tuvix | It's similar to the issue between states and even our local county jurisdictions here. If say my county has very strict rules (and even tries to *enforce* them) you can just go to a bar or club the next one over to flaunt the rules. | 08:13 |
| Tuvix | In fact, that very thing did happen when my neighboring state kept in-person bars closed; a local on a border-town called into a talk radio show to discuss that every night folks would cross the bridge to drink across the river where bars opened weeks earlier. | 08:14 |
| de-facto | maybe it requires a more deadly mutant to wake up majorities | 08:16 |
| Tuvix | :( | 08:16 |
| Tuvix | I mean, you might not be wrong, but we just collectively suck at this. | 08:17 |
| Tuvix | I've tried hard to follow the best guidance we've had at any point in time, but watched thouse around me in business, entertainment, and just general outings of all kinds disregard advice. Some because they got tired of it, others because they didn't believe how serious this was. | 08:17 |
| de-facto | its nature teaching us a lesson | 08:18 |
| de-facto | humans basically are not ready mentally for the technical abilities we have | 08:18 |
| Tuvix | Ironically I think social media has made the misinformation problem worse, while of course it's also allowed scientists across the globe to coordinate on the response as effectively and quickly as they have. | 08:19 |
| de-facto | yes | 08:19 |
| Tuvix | At the same time as you can link that article on an emerging new varient, many others are sharing false information about the virus (and some are sharing correct info too, to be sure; it's just probably not as "catchy") | 08:20 |
| Tuvix | Hearing that a building is on fire is more exciting than hearing that construction on one was finished. | 08:20 |
| Tuvix | I've had to resist the urge a few times to reply to obvious falsehoods online. Then I remember it won't actually matter: https://xkcd.com/386 | 08:22 |
| Tuvix | Small, one-to-one communication seems more valuable now than trying to play influencer with my lack of a following. | 08:22 |
| minth | humanity: a renewable source of ignorance and stupidity. internet: 24/7 direct access to it. | 08:23 |
| ublx | only a true messiah would deny their messiahness. everybody follow Tuvix! | 08:24 |
| Tuvix | Great, so that'll be one whole follower on that twitter account I don't have :P | 08:26 |
| Tuvix | But really, the way social media works it isn't designed to promote the exchange of ideas; it's designed to feed you whatever keeps you clicking the longest. | 08:26 |
| minth | I like to think we will get better platforms at some point | 08:27 |
| Tuvix | Maybe, but one analysis I rather liked pointed out that as the technolgoy has exploed that we have at our fingertips (literally, with powerful phones, allowing us information and even the ability to broadcast ourselves in realtime, it's also allowed a lot of crap to expode with it. | 08:29 |
| Tuvix | The same way that even at higher-educational institutions you might also have a silly party to blow off steam. Except when that's _all_ you see on social platforms, you no longer have any useful information coming to you. | 08:30 |
| Tuvix | It really all boils down to critical thinking, and in theroy that's what we should have all taken away from our pre-adult education at a fundamental level. | 08:31 |
| Tuvix | theory* | 08:31 |
| Tuvix | Oh well, it's late here, and I won't solve this crisis by whining about it later here! | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): 2021.07 (Out of order): Wherein I suggested masks would be useful for vaccinated to avoid Delta breakthroughs, while CDC encouraged vaccinated to ditch masks and party.twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1478268724897402882 | 08:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China locks down Yuzhou, city of 1.2 million, after recording 3 Covid-19 cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvowmv/china_locks_down_yuzhou_city_of_12_million_after/ | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 04, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvp5uo/daily_discussion_thread_january_04_2022/ | 09:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Japan on alert as COVID-19 cases rise | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvp8ei/japan_on_alert_as_covid19_cases_rise_nhk/ | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New highly mutated Covid strain discovered in the South of France → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvpgv1/new_highly_mutated_covid_strain_discovered_in_the/ | 09:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Ontario hospitals brace for Omicron's impact as hundreds of staff members call in sick → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvpht3/ontario_hospitals_brace_for_omicrons_impact_as/ | 09:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol what, a new strain. Hopefully nothing concerning :D | 09:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | le french variant | 09:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | "Le Baguette" | 09:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | this one has 46 mutations | 09:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Singer Omarion Speaks Out: 'I Am an Artist, Not a COVID Variant' → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvpuys/singer_omarion_speaks_out_i_am_an_artist_not_a/ | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Texas reports more than 143,000 new coronavirus cases in first 3 days of new year → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvpw6s/texas_reports_more_than_143000_new_coronavirus/ | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron variant infections in Japan reach over 1,000 cases on Tuesday -Yomiuri → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvq84j/omicron_variant_infections_in_japan_reach_over/ | 10:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19: 69% jump in new cases, hospitalisations up too → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvqdio/covid19_69_jump_in_new_cases_hospitalisations_up/ | 10:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: What is Flurona? The first case of COVID and flu double infection → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvqed6/what_is_flurona_the_first_case_of_covid_and_flu/ | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Covid-19 politics force state lawmakers to ponder pharma campaign cash: Rep. Beth Liston, a state lawmaker in Ohio, supports Covid-19 vaccines. But polarized politics led her to refuse campaign contributions from the pharmaceutical companies that [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/04/covid-19-politics-force-state-lawmakers-to-ponder-pharma-campaign-cash/ | 11:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Saliva swabs are the preferred sample for Omicron detection: "This is an important finding as the current standard of care for diagnosis using swabs of the nasal or nasopharyngeal mucosa may be suboptimal for the Omicron variant." → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rvqv7u/saliva_swabs_are_the_preferred_sample_for_omicron/ | 11:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron infections may have plateaued in London, Neil Ferguson says → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvr1bd/omicron_infections_may_have_plateaued_in_london/ | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: 2022—the year of recovery?: Looking at the year ahead, incredible medical progress has been made over the past 12 months in understanding and managing covid-19. We now have a range of effective vaccines that have significantly... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o2.short | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Kasper Smidt Gasbȷerg, Daniel Hagi–Pedersen, Troels Haxholdt Lunn, Christina Cleveland Laursen, Maȷken Holmqvist, Louise Orts Vinstrup, Mette Ammitzboell, Karina Jakobsen, Mette Skov Jensen, Marie Johnk Pallesen, Jens Bagger, Peter Lindholm, Niels Anker Pedersen, Henrik Morville Schroder, Martin [... want %more?] → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj-2021-067325.short | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: The coronavirus may cause fat cells to miscommunicate, leading to diabetes: Researchers are homing in on a surprising cause of high blood sugar in COVID-19 patients and possibly what to do about it. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-diabetes-fat-cells-blood-sugar | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How Errors, Inaction Sent a Deadly Covid Variant Around the World → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvrut7/how_errors_inaction_sent_a_deadly_covid_variant/ | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Six hospital trusts declare 'critical incident' over staff shortages → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-59866650 | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: WHO sees more evidence that Omicron causes milder symptoms → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvsae2/who_sees_more_evidence_that_omicron_causes_milder/ | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Please no panic. The B.1.640 and .2 were initially flagged in Oct last year and discussed at @WHO, before #Omicron. There are only 400 genomes of this lineage, whereas >120,000 of #Omicron and the B.1.640.X has not over-competed Delta anywhere @DrEricDing [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1478335028383916035 | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): The best illustration of this is Africa, where Covid deaths have passed 25% of their Delta peak in Mozambique and Angola, and are still rising.In wealthy, well-boosted countries like the UK, deaths this wave may peak at 10-15% of the previous record. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1478339869210464256 | 13:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Other excellent threads worth reading: • @TheFerrariLab on the strengths and weaknesses of different metrics during this wave, and the nuances of hospital cases with Omicron twitter.com/TheFerrariLab/… → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1478340974594113538 | 13:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hong Kong expands its vaccine requirements as it fights to control Omicron. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvthuw/hong_kong_expands_its_vaccine_requirements_as_it/ | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why are so many vaccinated people getting COVID-19 lately? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvtp6c/why_are_so_many_vaccinated_people_getting_covid19/ | 14:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | if only I could find the data on sydney's hospitalizations with their 95% vax coverage :P | 14:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | %cases sydney | 14:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | .cases australia | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: the world has had 291.3 million confirmed cases (3.8% of all people) and 5.5 million deaths (1.9% of cases; 1 in 1398 people) as of 17 hours ago. 4.6 billion tests were done (6.4% positive). 3.3 billion were vaccinated (43.7%). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=the%20world&legacy=no | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about the world, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: Australia has had 462974 confirmed cases (1.8% of all people) and 2259 deaths (0.5% of cases; 1 in 11358 people) as of 17 hours ago. 55.4 million tests were done (0.8% positive). 20.4 million were vaccinated (79.7%). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia&legacy=no | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Australia, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Evidence Omicron causes milder symptoms → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvtusc/evidence_omicron_causes_milder_symptoms/ | 14:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | one omicron is mild article every day keeps negativity at bay | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Emergence in Southern France of a new SARS-CoV-2 variant of probably Cameroonian origin harbouring both substitutions N501Y and E484K in the spike protein - B.1.640.2 → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rvua8f/emergence_in_southern_france_of_a_new_sarscov2/ | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Vaccines for all every four to six months not needed, says expert → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59865108 | 14:57 |
| oerheks | .. as it is impossible to vaccinate the whole earth in 6 months | 14:58 |
| oerheks | "expert" | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Biomedical Research Leads Science’s 2021 Breakthroughs: Hi everyone, I’m Larry Tabak. I’ve served as NIH’s Principal Deputy Director for over eleven years, and I will be the acting NIH director until a new permanent director is named. In my [... want %more?] → https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2022/01/04/biomedical-research-leads-sciences-2021-breakthroughs/ | 15:07 |
| oerheks | Corrected numbers; NL, In December, 65% of people who got Corona had been fully vaccinated. | 15:16 |
| oerheks | https://twitter.com/PieterOmtzigt/status/1478366079420407810 | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Pharma raises median drug prices by 4.9%, so far; Covid forces some lawmakers to ponder pharma gifts → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/01/04/prices-covid19-vaccine-patents-novartis-glaxo-cms/ | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: China: Xi'an residents in lockdown trade goods for food amid shortage → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvvtut/china_xian_residents_in_lockdown_trade_goods_for/ | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC Recommends Pfizer Booster at 5 Months, Additional Primary Dose for Certain Immunocompromised Children → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvvw5i/cdc_recommends_pfizer_booster_at_5_months/ | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Summer, omicron, unvaccinated - this could be the Corona year 2022 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvw4j7/summer_omicron_unvaccinated_this_could_be_the/ | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France's Bogdanoff TV twins die of Covid six days apart → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rvwdvu/francex27s_bogdanoff_tv_twins_die_of_covid_six/ | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fourth COVID shot boosts protection fivefold, initial findings from Israeli study suggest → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvwpa1/fourth_covid_shot_boosts_protection_fivefold/ | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United States: +58397855 cases (now 114.3 million), +850608 deaths (now 1.7 million), +243527564 vaccines (now 487.1 million), +822606861 tests (now 1.6 billion, 0.0% positive) since 20 hours ago [... want %more?] | 16:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: NHS trusts declare “critical incidents” because of staff shortages: A number of NHS trusts in England have declared “critical incidents” because of staff absences caused by covid-19.Health leaders said the “rapidly increasing” number of staff absences was... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o3.short | 16:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Latest data from UK: London Covid cases may be peaking after a massive Omicron wave. While rising cases have led to a smaller relative increase in hospitalizations and pressure on hospitals; the number of patients on ventilators has barely risen [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1478392759866249218 | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Point-of-care ultrasound in critically ill COVID-19 patients: questions derived from practice. → https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/34978629 | 17:11 |
| Dredd | Oh no, not the Bogdanovs! | 17:26 |
| edcba | they gave up on science a long time ago | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Timing of Tracheostomy in COVID-19 - Impact on Mortality → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05175859 | 17:50 |
| Dredd | They were anti-vax? | 18:00 |
| Dredd | I only really know about them since I worked with a colleague called Bogdanov before 😀 | 18:00 |
| Dredd | LjL: UK deaths have remained totally flat during omicron 🤔 | 18:07 |
| Dredd | Whereas other places in europe (italy, germany, france) and US are on a very gradual uptick | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: Oral Probiotics and Secondary Bacterial Pneumonia in Severe COVID-19: Conditions : COVID-19 Lower Respiratory Infection; Microbial Colonization; Severe COVID-19; Secondary Bacterial Pneumonia → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05175833 | 18:09 |
| Dredd | Wonder if there's actually some truth to the less good on paper vaccines are actually doing okay in practice | 18:09 |
| Dredd | Or maybe it's just the huge vaccine push and actually responding promptly for once? | 18:10 |
| xx | Dredd: ok UK people were dying at home instead of hospitals and the number has not been included in the stats yet | 18:10 |
| xx | it was holiday season | 18:10 |
| xx | *or | 18:10 |
| Dredd | xx: bollocks, we have lots of testing including home stuff | 18:10 |
| Dredd | Everyone I know has been testing a lot in the christmas period too | 18:10 |
| Dredd | Also, it's holiday season in these other places too | 18:11 |
| xx | and I know lots of old people that don't want to go to hospital | 18:11 |
| xx | UK did not include home deaths in official stats, then it changed for a bit, then it changed again, and I don't know how it is now | 18:11 |
| xx | whereas other countries did include home deaths | 18:12 |
| Dredd | That's bollocks, there's a lot of different death stats all of which are flat | 18:12 |
| Dredd | Plus I have not heard of this so do you have a source | 18:12 |
| Dredd | ? | 18:12 |
| xx | yeah like first hit on google | 18:15 |
| xx | https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsathomeincreasedbyathirdin2020whiledeathsinhospitalsfellexceptforcovid19/2021-05-07 | 18:15 |
| Dredd | In 2020... | 18:15 |
| xx | that's what I said | 18:15 |
| Dredd | I'm talking about omicron time | 18:15 |
| xx | that they *didn't* use to count those, then they started, and I don't know what they do now | 18:16 |
| Dredd | xx: No, that is not what you said | 18:16 |
| xx | "UK did not include home deaths in official stats, then it changed for a bit, then it changed again" | 18:16 |
| xx | literally what I said | 18:16 |
| Dredd | Lol, no, that's a vague hand wave | 18:16 |
| Dredd | That's basically useless | 18:16 |
| Dredd | You responded to me talking about omicron and mentioned holiday season | 18:17 |
| Dredd | Which implies it's recent | 18:17 |
| Dredd | Which is, you know, December 2021.... | 18:17 |
| Dredd | Here is the dashboard with much useful data: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 18:17 |
| xx | well we'll know about those recent things in a couple of weeks/months | 18:17 |
| Dredd | ......... | 18:17 |
| xx | because there's a massive lag due to holiday season and lack of testing | 18:17 |
| Dredd | I'm talking about comparing the same period of time in different countries now | 18:17 |
| xx | and a long waiting list to test samples from dead people | 18:18 |
| Dredd | these things are comparable because the same effects are happening everywhere | 18:18 |
| xx | yes, and other countries do it differently | 18:18 |
| Dredd | And the UK is probably one of the most rapid and widely testing countries in the world | 18:18 |
| Dredd | So that also doesn't make sense, the relationship would be inverted | 18:18 |
| xx | you overestimate how well UK does testing | 18:18 |
| Dredd | Where's you evidence for that? | 18:19 |
| xx | uh, everywhere? | 18:19 |
| Dredd | We discuss things with evidence here | 18:19 |
| xx | like, if you haven't been studying covid for years, I'm not gonna be bringing you up to speed | 18:19 |
| xx | go look into it | 18:19 |
| xx | and especially compare how UK does things compared to e.g. France | 18:20 |
| Dredd | xx: please attack my argument rather than me | 18:20 |
| xx | I'd prefer to attack your lack of knowledge in this area | 18:20 |
| Dredd | We've discussed testing a lot here over the last two years | 18:20 |
| Dredd | Consensus is UK is better than most | 18:20 |
| Dredd | You haven't provided any evidence | 18:20 |
| xx | covid exists, want any evidence for that too? | 18:21 |
| Dredd | I think you're trying to be contrarian and argumentative and engaging in the pattern of making assertions without evidence | 18:21 |
| Dredd | That's not relevant at all | 18:21 |
| xx | it is | 18:21 |
| LjL | Dredd: Wonder if there's actually some truth to the less good on paper vaccines are actually doing okay in practice <- interestingly sdf posted a (quite dubious) blog post that highlighted a Figure 7 in the UK's 31st report on variant that makes it seem like AZ has *negative* efficacy on Omicron unless you get a booster. The actual report gives a couple of caveats about small sampling but of course the blog post didn't bother to report those ;p | 18:22 |
| LjL | I guess I didn't think to mention, if AZ works *so* badly, where are all the dead? | 18:22 |
| Dredd | xx: I feel I've been sufficiently reasonable with you but you are basically trolling and pedalling some fringe ideas and refusing to provide and evidence when asked and just making assertions that it's "everywhere" and then claiming I don't know what the fuck is going on | 18:23 |
| Dredd | That's fine, keep doing it if you want but you won't be doing it here | 18:23 |
| xx | how is https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/12/e006691 trolling? | 18:23 |
| xx | I recognize that there has been a *massive* campaign in UK that basically pushed "don't worry, everything is fine" for a long time | 18:24 |
| xx | and it affected *all* media reports from UK | 18:24 |
| xx | it's the brexit mentality all over again | 18:24 |
| xx | instead of trying to cooperate with rest of europe and try to learn from how other countries do it | 18:24 |
| Dredd | .... 2020 | 18:25 |
| xx | yes | 18:25 |
| Dredd | It's 2022 | 18:25 |
| xx | that's what I said, again... | 18:25 |
| xx | maybe we're just talking about different things | 18:25 |
| Dredd | Omicron starts being an issue in December 2021... | 18:25 |
| Dredd | You are responding me talking about death rates in the omicron period of time across various countries | 18:26 |
| Dredd | * are responding to me talking | 18:26 |
| xx | no, I was responding to your "UK deaths have remained totally flat during omicron" and comparing it to other countries in Europe | 18:27 |
| LjL | xx: stop. "The brexit mentality" has nothing to do with this | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Fact check—how many patients in hospital are unvaccinated?: Intensive care units in the UK are filling up with patients with covid-19 who have not been fully vaccinated, a number of media reports have claimed over the past week.It led to the prime minister,... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5.short | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: The CDC now recommends Pfizer boosters after 5 months, not 6: The move to shorten the Pfizer booster interval comes as the U.S. shatters daily case records. The recommended interval for those who received Moderna or Johnson & Johnson vaccines has not changed. → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/04/1070178324/cdc-pfizer-booster-covid-vaccine | 18:38 |
| Jigsy | Wow, 218K cases today. | 18:59 |
| Jigsy | And the UK is still adopting the "This is fine." dog in a fire approach. | 18:59 |
| Jigsy | And the schools went back today as well, so this clusterfuck'll be interesting to watch over the next few days. | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Lottery-Based Incentives Do Not Increase COVID-19 Vaccination Rates: A new study found states that offered monetary prizes to randomly selected vaccinated persons did not have significant increases in vaccine uptake. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/lottery-based-incentives-do-not-increase-covid-19-vaccination-rates | 19:06 |
| Dredd | Jigsy: yeah, hopefully the numbers can only stay so high so long | 19:13 |
| Dredd | My brother is going back to school on wednesday afternoon | 19:13 |
| Dredd | They are testing everyone, and then you're only allowed back afterwards if you test negative or something | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Now 7 studies for Omicron's reduced lung infectivity, viral load, inflammation and overall pathogenicity (5 in vivo models, 2 lab). New in vivo model report link: biorxiv.org/content/10.110… Updated summary table pic.twitter.com/2AF4fLaqLv → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478428697451380737 | 19:16 |
| LjL | how likely do you think it is to infect other people if you have mildly symptomatic COVID and are doing a store trip while wearing something good like an FFP2 Aura? (no, it's not me, and yes, I know people should isolate, but in some countries and situations where you can't even get tested, it's not always easy) | 19:29 |
| ublx | more likely than if wearing an FFP2 with a surgical mask on top | 19:31 |
| Dredd | LjL: Get a delivery I'd say | 19:32 |
| lastshell | where I located is impossible to get a covid test at home | 19:34 |
| de-facto | LjL, hard to say, cant they get a friend to shop for them and put it in front of their door? | 19:36 |
| lastshell | in hindsight I made the mistake to don;t purchase before | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: "We can't vaccinate the planet every six months," says Covid-19 vaccine creator → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rw13hx/we_cant_vaccinate_the_planet_every_six_months/ | 19:44 |
| LjL | idiots sure gonna idiot https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rw13hx/we_cant_vaccinate_the_planet_every_six_months/hr8v07b/?context=3 | 19:52 |
| LjL | but yeah, we can't vaccinate the planet every six months, i wholeheartedly agree with that, apart from nitpicking with idiots | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Now 7 studies for Omicron's reduced lung infectivity, viral load, inflammation and overall pathogenicity → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw1b9j/now_7_studies_for_omicrons_reduced_lung/ | 19:53 |
| LjL | anyone have, off-hand, a breakdown of how much of each vaccine is used worldwide? (not by country, i just need "AstraZeneca has been used by x% of people") | 19:56 |
| strattera | hi LjL | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The coronavirus may cause fat cells to miscommunicate, leading to diabetes → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw1haj/the_coronavirus_may_cause_fat_cells_to/ | 20:03 |
| LjL | hi strattera | 20:04 |
| LjL | grr i definitely (think i) remember a fancy site with vaccinations divided in all sorts of way including by manufacturer. but of course i'm not finding it on my own resource with hundreds of links except the ones i want. | 20:05 |
| LjL | i'm confused. if i go to https://www.unicef.org/supply/covid-19-vaccine-market-dashboard and then do Capacity and "by vaccine platform", i get a LOT of protein subunit vaccines | 20:09 |
| LjL | and yet... Novavax isn't even out yet? | 20:09 |
| LjL | but it says for 2021, it reflects deliveries | 20:10 |
| LjL | what deliveries were there that beat *all other vaccine types combined*? | 20:10 |
| LjL | while https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-manufacturer?country=~European+Union appears to say that the EU got "9" Sinovac dosese | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC shortens waiting period for Pfizer booster shot to 5 months → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw1puh/cdc_shortens_waiting_period_for_pfizer_booster/ | 20:13 |
| de-facto | LjL, read about their assumptions, its claim of production capacity prediction | 20:17 |
| xx | LjL: official data shows no sinovac in EU https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/vaccine_tracker/csv/data.csv | 20:17 |
| xx | SIN is the keyword https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Variable_Dictionary_VaccineTracker-04-11-2021.pdf | 20:17 |
| * LjL apologises to Wikipedia for not checking Wikipedia sooner and claim his excuse is that Google is demoting it lately on COVID things at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployment_of_COVID-19_vaccines#Manufacturing_capacity | 20:21 | |
| * LjL prepares for Gnumeric to crash his computer | 20:22 | |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Omicron is different; how different?medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/RxmmD5HQYo → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1478445210376065026 | 20:22 |
| * xx wonders about those 27k unknown vaccines | 20:24 | |
| de-facto | for EU approval there is required 1) company must have a EU residency 2) must inquire EMA approval and provide them with all the data they ask for 3) must allow controlling all production sites 4) must have a competent employee in EU that manages control of charges 5) some agency must control their delivered charges 6) must have quality assurance team in EU | 20:24 |
| de-facto | among other things | 20:24 |
| LjL | xx, but then Sino*pharm* isn't even listed in the legend, and yet according to OWID it's used... well, more than 9? | 20:25 |
| LjL | i'm irked anyway, 'cause i think i remember some site with much better info on vaccine deployment (without detracting from wikipedia) but i don't know what it is | 20:27 |
| LjL | de-facto, EU approval is not required for EU countries to use the vaccine however | 20:27 |
| de-facto | https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-authorised | 20:28 |
| de-facto | LjL, yeah in pandemic times there can be national exceptions | 20:28 |
| LjL | don't think it's only during the pandemic? | 20:29 |
| LjL | EMA is an advisory body, AIFA in Italy (for example) is the one that can actually decide whether or not to approve a drug | 20:29 |
| de-facto | i think its some emergency rule e.g. in times as we have it | 20:29 |
| LjL | there are drugs approved in Italy that aren't approved elsewhere in the EU, although most of the time AIFA will just implement EMA's decision | 20:29 |
| de-facto | yes | 20:30 |
| xx | LjL: sinopharm is Beijing CNBG | 20:31 |
| LjL | xx, ah, okay | 20:31 |
| xx | (unfortunately sinopharm makes 2 or 3 other ones too?) | 20:31 |
| xx | CNBG, WIPB and... BIPP? | 20:32 |
| xx | no, BIBP | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: French Scientists Discover New Coronavirus Variant; Researchers Say Omicron Easily Avoids Immune System → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rw2eel/french_scientists_discover_new_coronavirus/ | 20:32 |
| de-facto | Comirnaty Germany, Janssen Netherlands, Nuvaxovid Czechia, Spikevax Spain, Vaxzevria Sweden | 20:33 |
| finely[m] | PCR testing system now saturated. No RATs, NSW positivity rate 27% | 20:34 |
| finely[m] | Official case numbers are a significant underestimation of disease spread. | 20:34 |
| finely[m] | https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-05/are-official-covid-19-case-numbers-now-useless/100737192 | 20:34 |
| LjL | xx, another 2 or 3 COVID vaccines? dear god | 20:34 |
| LjL | maybe that's why UNICEF says most vaccines in 2021 are protein subunit ones? | 20:35 |
| de-facto | hmm maybe Janssen is rather Belgium | 20:35 |
| xx | LjL: yeah that wiki page is grouping them all by manufacturer, and sino*pharm* makes 3 vaccines | 20:35 |
| xx | so it's all grouped together | 20:35 |
| xx | likely the same happened in the official data | 20:35 |
| xx | or it's part of the "UNK" because they couldn't make sense of what they actually gave the person, just had some chinese letters on it :D | 20:36 |
| LjL | -.- | 20:36 |
| xx | would I really be shocked if that actually happened somewhere? No, I would not. | 20:37 |
| xx | there probably are ~30 vaccines out there already, just most of them not recognized by other countries | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jan 04, 2022: Lung function after mild COVID RSV and quality of life impacts Avian flu outbreaks in poultry → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/news-scan-jan-04-2022 | 20:42 |
| LjL | xx, i am reasonably trusting that the list on Wikipedia is exhaustive of at least the vaccines actually deployed in any meaningful numbers (like not Novavax) | 20:43 |
| xx | if you're reasonably trusting of wikipedia, then this might be interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_COVID-19_vaccine_authorizations | 20:44 |
| xx | it shows where the vaccines are authorized for various uses, and shows why some of those chinese ones would not have any official use in EU | 20:45 |
| xx | and yeah, it's is 29 vaccines | 20:45 |
| xx | so yeah, I'm reasonably sure there isn't anyone who'd have the full pokemon set yet :) | 20:48 |
| oerheks | i want a vaccine for my dog | 20:51 |
| LjL | xx, you mean it's because we don't want inactivated vaccines? | 20:51 |
| xx | LjL: I'm unsure what you mean. | 20:51 |
| LjL | xx, showing why some of the chinese ones would not be approved in the EU | 20:52 |
| xx | oh right | 20:52 |
| LjL | lots of info here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinopharm_CNBG_COVID-19_vaccine :| | 20:52 |
| xx | it's new-ish | 20:53 |
| LjL | seems like a few are jumping on the protein subunit bandwagon now | 20:53 |
| LjL | which... i don't really have a problem with | 20:53 |
| LjL | if they can be produced at scale, then i'm honestly not sure why we have prioritized mRNA and adenovirus to begin with. i *suspect* maybe those could be produced sooner/quicker, but i don't have that entirely clear | 20:54 |
| xx | BIBP is allowed under the emergency use in some EU countries | 20:54 |
| xx | and that one is inactivated virus | 20:54 |
| xx | EU is not really acting as a single unit regarding the whole corona situation | 20:54 |
| LjL | well, it isn't a single unit :P | 20:56 |
| xx | heh, right, not a federation | 20:56 |
| xx | wonder if the swiss cantons have different rules between them | 20:56 |
| LjL | a loose confederation, maybe | 20:56 |
| LjL | i don't know, but i know some cantons unilaterally allowed women to vote (in local elections) in like the '90s :P | 20:57 |
| xx | yeah, heard about that, am pretty neutral towards it. I rarely vote. | 20:58 |
| Arsanerit | Why should EU act as a single unit? | 20:58 |
| xx | Arsanerit: because the original idea of EU was free travel of goods and people, and improved coordination between countries? | 20:59 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, "union" and "unit" do have very much the same root, so there is at least that | 20:59 |
| Arsanerit | xx: which is not the same as "acting as a single unit". | 20:59 |
| xx | eh, maybe I shouldn't have said "unit" | 20:59 |
| xx | just... the opposite of every EU country doing its own thing, ignoring what other countries are doing | 21:00 |
| Arsanerit | free travel of goods and people is great, many of the stuff the european commission does is also great, but some things are better decided in national capitals | 21:00 |
| xx | don't know the word to describe that | 21:00 |
| LjL | xx, vaccine-wise, though, i don't think that's a fair description. some countries have bought Chinese vaccines and/or some Sputnik, but they are countries that are already considered fringe and uh "problematic" in the EU currently. most countries went by EMA's authorizations. | 21:01 |
| xx | Arsanerit: yeah, and the restrictions on moving PPE across EU country borders was fun... | 21:01 |
| xx | really made a lot of people think hard about whether the EU would fall apart if some serious thing happened in the world | 21:01 |
| Arsanerit | xx: that was bad and violates free travel of goods | 21:01 |
| LjL | xx, states in the US have acted as not very much single units too | 21:01 |
| Arsanerit | The EU will fall apart if some serious thing happens. | 21:02 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, but is also likely allowed in states of emergency | 21:02 |
| xx | yeah, but US is all about freedom, so states are free to do whatever | 21:02 |
| LjL | just like you can suspend Schengen in emergencies, and France has done so continuously since 2015 -.- | 21:02 |
| xx | anyway I don't want to bring politics into this, just expressing a "concern/worry" that EU will not be able to handle serious issues if they happen in the future, if we take the coronavirus response as an indicator | 21:03 |
| xx | Schengen is independent of EU, no? | 21:03 |
| avu | yes, neither are all Schengen Members are EU members nor are all EU members in Schengen | 21:06 |
| avu | +grammar | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: List of COVID-19 vaccine authorizations: Type Encyclopedia Article URL https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_COVID-19_vaccine_authorizations&oldid=1063633804 Rights Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License Date 2022-01-04T02:44:46Z Extra Page Version ID: [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/QTZ4MD4R | 21:08 |
| LjL | xx, avu: it's "independent" about inasmuch as every other EU treaty is "independent" of each other... since the 2004 constitution didn't pass, the EU is really a loose bundle of treaties. Schengen is definitely a treaty that "has to do" with the EU: "The Agreement and its related conventions were incorporated into the mainstream of European Union law by the Amsterdam Treaty in 1997" | 21:14 |
| LjL | you could say the Euro is independent too, for the same reason, but it's really quite related | 21:14 |
| LjL | anyway i also run ##EU so i'm not shy of promoting it, we can continue there if wanted :P | 21:15 |
| xx | it's interesting that you pin the revision of wiki articles, I've rarely seen others do it but it definitely is a good thing to do | 21:15 |
| xx | LjL: wait, wasn't there some lisbon treaty thing? That was effectively a constitution? | 21:16 |
| xx | creating a president, etc. | 21:16 |
| LjL | xx, not on purpose, it's probably something Zotero does as it tries to make things as static as possible (if i added things the way Zotero recommends, it'd actually include a static snapshot for *each* page - which could be useful, but i only have 200MB available for free on zotero.org, so no thanks) | 21:16 |
| LjL | xx, i wouldn't say it's effectively a constitution, but it's what they did after the constitution didn't pass, sort of in its place, yeah | 21:16 |
| xx | well, whatever they did since then has not prepared the EU for proper pandemic response, despite decades' worth of warnings from many places | 21:17 |
| LjL | something we have in common with most other parts of the world | 21:18 |
| xx | well, North Korea was ready for it, closed borders immediatelly :) | 21:19 |
| LjL | as if they were open before... | 21:19 |
| xx | they were, to china for workers | 21:19 |
| Arsanerit | As if we know what's actually going on in North Korea? | 21:20 |
| xx | I always wondered about how they presented the data about current number of positive people in NK. The days went like 1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0... | 21:20 |
| xx | guess they get a different kind of shot... | 21:21 |
| LjL | xx, random theory! the people charged with presenting the data were told to keep them very small. so they tried to send a message to the world in binary using very small numbers | 21:21 |
| LjL | (i think i heard a similar theory about Russia always having deaths just shy of 800 a day for a while: claim was they had been told to keep it below that, and "in protest", whoever was charged with it kept it below that in a way that would make the data quite obviously fake when analyzed) | 21:22 |
| LjL | xx, as some COVID skeptics often say, you haven't died *of* COVID if you were diagnosed with COVID and then you were run over by a bus, right? so... the same applies to being shot to the head after COVID diagnosis... right? | 21:24 |
| xx | wow but you're right | 21:25 |
| xx | it really is a pity that we can't fully trust the data coming from those parts of the world, because I'd be very interested in having hard evidence of how extreme measures taken in those places can affect the numbers | 21:25 |
| Dredd | https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/vegan-mum-fighting-coronavirus-drinking-21957292 | 21:27 |
| Dredd | ... | 21:27 |
| xx | oh boy | 21:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Africa COVID-19 Update January 4: 8,078 Cases and 139 deaths → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw3gbi/south_africa_covid19_update_january_4_8078_cases/ | 21:28 |
| LjL | pls | 21:28 |
| xx | well, n=1 case report I guess | 21:29 |
| LjL | i like how this reputable paper tries to get the point home by repeatedly showing many pictures of said smoothie | 21:30 |
| xx | "it is much better for the body to drink something that doesn't contain chemicals." yeah, but it can contain 27 viruses or so... | 21:32 |
| xx | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5652425/ " We found evidence that 27 viruses, across a broad range of virus families, can be found in human semen." | 21:33 |
| xx | I really really wish they finally made a conclusive statement on whether coronavirus is an STD too or not | 21:34 |
| xx | they likely just ignore it, because the assumption exists that you'll be in close proximity for long enough without any mask anyway, so it's pointless to issue warnings about it being sexually transmitted | 21:34 |
| LjL | does it matter? you've repeatedly said people having sex won't wear masks, but i find the thought that 1) they would 2) it would actually prevent transmission that way (modulo literal STD) quite ridiculous tbh | 21:35 |
| LjL | well yes and i'd agree to it seeming quite pointless :P | 21:35 |
| xx | has anyone checked up on the furry community and how they are doing with respect to coronavirus? | 21:36 |
| xx | they wear masks, right? | 21:36 |
| * LjL rolls eyes while waving his tail | 21:36 | |
| xx | lol | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Study finds slight developmental lag in babies born during pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw3ku9/study_finds_slight_developmental_lag_in_babies/ | 21:37 |
| xx | now, the reasoning I had was due to coronavirus being detected in all sorts of mucosal tissue in the human body (most recently we had big reports about intestinal tissue), and the lining of urethra and vagina contains a lot of mucosal tissue too | 21:38 |
| xx | along with the general observation that the testicles are not accessible to the immune system as much, and so are a breeding ground for horrible stuff | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Without vaccination, Novak Djokovic allowed for Australian Open, but not an Indian Player (who just became eligible to get vaccinated due to age restrictions) → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rw3wb1/without_vaccination_novak_djokovic_allowed_for/ | 21:47 |
| lastshell | impossible to get covid test, I will try early morning they might have it | 21:50 |
| Dredd | Wasn't Djokovic doing some sketchy shit in the early pandemic? | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: In a retrospective cohort of 40,000 pregnant women, COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy was not associated with preterm birth or small-for-gestational-age at birth overall, compared with unvaccinated pregnant women → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw3zml/in_a_retrospective_cohort_of_40000_pregnant_women/ | 21:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Ash Jogalekar (@curiouswavefn): @QuantumTessera @CovidNuance @Dereklowe Worth noting that a few VC firms like Google Ventures turned her down since there were enough people there to appreciate the gap between promise and reality (or even prototypes). → https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1478470225657954304 | 22:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Pandemic birth tied to poor development: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jan 04, 2022 Another study found the breast milk of vaccinated mothers may protect infants for 6 months. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/pandemic-birth-tied-poor-development | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Israel Reports First Case of ‘Flurona’: A pregnant woman is reported to be the country’s first person to be infected simultaneously with COVID-19 and influenza. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/israel-reports-first-case-of-flurona- | 22:25 |
| xx | hmm, three diseases at once, that's not fun | 22:29 |
| lastshell | https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_d7c67d2c6ba2fa0601806647e2ca7bbd | 22:33 |
| lastshell | 'We can't vaccinate the planet every six months,' says Oxford vaccine scientist' ^ | 22:34 |
| gry | hmm | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Scientists call for Covid reinfections in UK to be included in case figures → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw59gl/scientists_call_for_covid_reinfections_in_uk_to/ | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NSW nurses say they feel pressure not to take sick days as COVID-19 stretches healthcare resources → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw5nwf/nsw_nurses_say_they_feel_pressure_not_to_take/ | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID case counts may be losing importance amid omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw5vta/covid_case_counts_may_be_losing_importance_amid/ | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Orleans mandates covid vaccines or negative covid test rules for ages 5+ starting today. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rw64vx/new_orleans_mandates_covid_vaccines_or_negative/ | 23:23 |
| anarchat | wow, public pcr tests stopping here | 23:24 |
| anarchat | (quebec) | 23:24 |
| Tuvix | anarchat: Stopping? Due to capacity/supply issues, or something else? | 23:27 |
| anarchat | supplies, presumably | 23:29 |
| anarchat | lab workers have been warning about this for over a week, and that's the govt response | 23:29 |
| anarchat | other provinces in canada have already done the same, and so did the US from what i understand | 23:30 |
| xx | no tests = no covid, I guess | 23:30 |
| xx | or at least it severely reduces the maximum number of positive results each day | 23:31 |
| anarchat | well they'll still test in hospitals and critical places like prisons and homeless shelters and remote areas | 23:31 |
| xx | well, maybe not 'reduces' but caps | 23:31 |
| anarchat | we were already capped to 50k tests a day for over a week | 23:31 |
| anarchat | which meant the positivity rate shot up to 34% | 23:31 |
| Tuvix | Looks like I can still schedule a PCR test with the local pharmacy chain around here, in adition to the 2 types of antigen tests they offer on-site via drive-through. | 23:31 |
| xx | btw, we're close to 300M infected | 23:32 |
| anarchat | who's we? | 23:32 |
| xx | earth | 23:32 |
| anarchat | oh, millions | 23:32 |
| anarchat | yeah | 23:32 |
| anarchat | that's probably way under counted no? | 23:33 |
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| xx | probably, but we have to use some number | 23:33 |
| anarchat | if you don't test everyone (e.g. here) or you make people pay for tests (e.g. the US!)... | 23:33 |
| anarchat | sure | 23:33 |
| Tuvix | The number looses a bit of meaning given reinfection; prior strains don't seem to help significantly against omicron compared to vaccination. | 23:33 |
| xx | we'll probably hit the 300M number this week | 23:33 |
| xx | which will make it easy for history books, to say between Jan 7 2020 and Jan 7 2022 there were 300M infections | 23:34 |
| Tuvix | US has some free testing options, or at least free to the citizen (insurance is required to pick up the tab, and the government will pick up the rest for the uninsured.) Eg: https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/covid19/testing#! | 23:34 |
| Tuvix | Now, the "at-home" tests are different, and sure, that's a commercial retail product you'd have to pay to get. | 23:35 |
| anarchat | i see | 23:35 |
| anarchat | i thought pcr tests were not free | 23:35 |
| Tuvix | Looks like they bill the insurance and/or government something like $129 per test, but the FAQ indicates the patient isn't billed. | 23:36 |
| Tuvix | At this pharmacy anyway, "The below prices represent what is charged to your insurance provider or to state or federal programs that cover the cost of testing. You will not receive a bill from Walgreens or from any lab partner. Diagnostic Lab Test (PCR, results time varies†): $129 Rapid Diagnostic Test (ID NOW, results in less than 24 hours): $129" | 23:37 |
| lastshell | Tuvix all covid test are sold out where I am | 23:45 |
| lastshell | is very hard to get covid test | 23:45 |
| oerheks | NL has to trow them away, out of date. tests, gloves, masks ... | 23:48 |
| lastshell | NL as nuevo leon ? | 23:49 |
| Tuvix | Country code would be Netherlands (website-here.nl) | 23:56 |
| Tuvix | At-home tests can be in short supply here depending on where you go, but they also have limitations such as a fairly high false-negative rate. If they indicate positive though, you're almost surely contagious. | 23:57 |
| Tuvix | At least with Omicron. | 23:57 |
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