| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Control and Prevention of the COVID-19 Epidemic in China: A Qualitative Community Case Study → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rulfqi/control_and_prevention_of_the_covid19_epidemic_in/ | 00:01 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: (UK) Workplaces told to plan for absences of up to 25% → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rulwpz/covid_uk_workplaces_told_to_plan_for_absences_of/ | 00:20 |
| finely[m] | <gry> "and i don't really follow, i..." <- Maybe jury rig HEPA filters onto your air inlets? | 01:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | (UK) Workplaces told to plan for absences of up to 25% lol they're already operating at 75% and above ? they're crazy | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Further clarification 'coming very soon' to CDC Covid-19 isolation guidelines → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/run4pq/further_clarification_coming_very_soon_to_cdc/ | 01:16 |
| LjL | haha wait for the backpedaling | 01:19 |
| Tuvix | sdfgsdfg: That presumably means 25% of the in-person workers who will have to be out due to protocol. Maybe the UK is better about mandating testing and stay-home rules for sick workers? In my region of the US, many businesses don't have to do any of that and could even have staff knowingly sick still show up in customer-facing positions :\ | 01:20 |
| Tuvix | The sports club I avoid due to crap rules didn't have _any_ requirement or even ask people known to have spent 60 minutes or more shoulder-to-shoulder with a tested-positive case; they just showed up the next open day and got that close to new club members and customers from the general public. | 01:21 |
| Tuvix | Contact tracing is a "recommendation" around here. | 01:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Maryland prepares for a ‘terrible point’ in the Covid crisis, the governor says. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rungcb/maryland_prepares_for_a_terrible_point_in_the/ | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): Data as of Jan 2 still shows a 2-shot vaccine is associated with:95% lower rate of ICU admission compared to unvaccinated.Rate of hospitalization is now 83% less than unvaccinated, and rate of infection has settled at 14% less than [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1477799598412292097 | 01:34 |
| JanC | Tuvix: in most countries a person with a high risk contact would be expected to self-isolate, so there would be no sports club-specific rules needed... | 01:41 |
| Tuvix | Oh, they're "expected" to here as well. But it's all just "guidance" from the CDC and state/county government here. There's zero penalty for not doing so. | 01:42 |
| Tuvix | I was literally told by this business owner that "we can't ask people to [test, isolate, or mask]" | 01:42 |
| Tuvix | She's so afraid of the all-volunteer staff not showing up if they can't break the rules, so she does nothing. | 01:43 |
| LjL | hi JanC, and a vaguely decent new year | 01:43 |
| Tuvix | Worst was when she needed some work done around August, I show up, and she has me send out the "covid exposure" emails to some of our customers. Turns out one was a pediatric nurse who sees kids, and this was back before the under-12's could get vaccinated. She added it to the staff email summary that week, but it didn't change anyone's behavior. So we exposed a nurse who works with kids, and still no | 01:44 |
| Tuvix | one bothers to care :( | 01:44 |
| Tuvix | I've largely given up hope that those not following guidance without actual enforcement will do anything. | 01:46 |
| JanC | obviously penalties are not always consistent (you can't have a police officer on everyone's front door), but making it a legal requirement makes it easier for business owners to do the right thing too, of ocurse | 01:46 |
| Tuvix | Exactly; but there's no such requirement at the country, state, or local levels around here. It's all "recommendations" and "guidelines" | 01:46 |
| JanC | :-/ | 01:47 |
| Tuvix | It basically all fell apart as soon as the national guidance changed from "masks are strongly recommended indoors" to "the vaccinated can go without masks, but unvaccinated should remain masked." Literally on the 2nd day of that update in our facility all the unvaccinated members stopped wearing theirs. | 01:47 |
| JanC | masking mandates haven't really been linked to vaccinations here; there was a period when masks weren't needed but they are back in indoor places now, and even in some crowded outdoor places | 01:51 |
| Tuvix | I take it voluntary compliance is also much better then? | 01:52 |
| Tuvix | I should have taken photos at the grocery store if I'd thought of it; about 80% of the shoppers on 31-Dec weren't masked. I forgot it was the effective new year's holiday off for many here, so the store was packed. | 01:53 |
| JanC | well, it's not really "voluntary" when you can be fined €300 or whatever :) | 01:53 |
| Tuvix | Ah, yea, complaince goes up a bit when you're risking a decent fine like that. | 01:53 |
| JanC | or even quite bit more as a business owner | 01:54 |
| Tuvix | Best I can do if I don't like a business (since you can't really go after individuals here) would be to complain to the county health department, and they'll basically send the business a polite reminder of recommendations :\ | 01:54 |
| JanC | there are various disputes here too, of course, especially about some events being cancelled or not | 01:55 |
| Tuvix | Sure, and I think there's some valid debate about where to draw the line, but comparing this part of the US anyway to wherever you are, it's still a huge difference in approaches. | 01:56 |
| JanC | most of the more legitimate disputes are about closing vs. limiting audiences & such | 01:57 |
| Tuvix | I was quite disappointed to hear the lax national guidance was done in part because there was worry if the language was stronger people would be less inclined to follow it. | 01:57 |
| Tuvix | For example, there was no mention of the quite convincing science about using better quality masks, because public health agencies would rather people use ANY mask instead of none. | 01:58 |
| JanC | or correct use of masks :) | 01:58 |
| Tuvix | Yup. Back in 2020 some guy in a wheelchair who had an aid helping him grocery shop had his N95 mask down over his mouth (not nose) and pulled it down every time he wanted to speak. | 01:59 |
| JanC | even cheap "paper" masks can be quite effective against COVID-19 when used correctly/ideally (for other diseases that might be quite different) | 02:01 |
| JanC | certainly more efficient than a pulled down N95 mask :P | 02:02 |
| Tuvix | Every bit helps, although I feel a lot safer when I do have to go anywhere indoors with other people with my 98%+ 0.1µm filtration mask with its TPU-fitting shell. | 02:02 |
| JanC | obviously for you personally it can be important | 02:08 |
| Tuvix | Yea, and maybe a bit for those around me, since despite vaccination I could still be a carrier. Obviously to the ~80% of the shoppers last week it wasn't even a concern for them. | 02:09 |
| JanC | for the healthcare system 90 vs. 98% efficiency is probably less relevant | 02:09 |
| JanC | outside high-risk people environments | 02:09 |
| Tuvix | Oh, right, even if we had masks that were only 25% effective at reducing viral load near someone it could make a big difference in aggregate, that is if the vast majority of people wore them. | 02:09 |
| Tuvix | Last month when I got my booster (and my flu vaccine, on different days due to scheduling availability) most of the customers in the pharmacy were not masked. That store is also a "general goods" store, but similar to my earlier report I'd say maybe 30% tops of customers had masks. | 02:11 |
| JanC | basically they build prediction models based on a combination of how often people meet, how well they are protected, how many people are already infected, etc. | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): Covid patients in the ICU for the entire state of Massachusetts is a similar number per capita as New York City.Most of them are intubated.NYC: 506 in 8.4M pop = 60 per MMA: 387 in 6.9M pop = 56 per Mmass.gov/info-details/c… pic.twitter.com/SMIfg17mGN → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1477808350804905986 | 02:12 |
| Tuvix | Right, and I've read some of the analysis studies for various locations about how changing gathering rules, or more vaccination, etc could reduce spread. The main goal being to at least not overwhelm the healthcare system. | 02:12 |
| Tuvix | Here in the US, I think that's just not practical as many were so close to crisis-care levels of mitigation, and that was before Omicron and the holidays. | 02:13 |
| JanC | even just curfews often help | 02:13 |
| JanC | as people won't stay out as late and drink less alcohol in groups :) | 02:13 |
| JanC | it's something many people don't seem to understand why they do these curfews :-( | 02:14 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but that's just not politically practical here. And sadly, sometimes what politics is able to do restricts what healthcare workers are begging the public to do. | 02:15 |
| JanC | drunk people tend to be really bad a social distancing & wearing masks, etc. | 02:15 |
| Tuvix | A nearby major metro area to me took out a full-page ad in one of the popular papers about 4-5 weeks back: https://mhealthfairview.org/-/media/3C977E375ADA4D3B9B8D7C6AF3C817B1.ashx | 02:15 |
| JanC | if you are sick you should stay isolated even before you are tested :) | 02:17 |
| JanC | most people don't understand what wave peaks do to hospitals | 02:18 |
| LjL | governments also don't seem to understand it, so... | 02:19 |
| JanC | what I see here is that some people in government understand & others don't | 02:19 |
| Tuvix | A lot of the response here is highly reactionary, not preventative. We send in national guard healthcare staff to areas so hard-hit they literally don't have staff to attend to the patient beds. | 02:19 |
| LjL | here it takes a long time before you can book a PCR, and after you take it, apparently sometimes it takes several days before you get the result. and before you have the result, people in your household are *not* excused from going to work. so either they have a job that affords them to take time off without being sick... and not everyone has such luxury | 02:20 |
| JanC | or some maybe understand but care more about their voters than about the healthcare system | 02:20 |
| JanC | LjL: if you are legally required to isolate that counts as "sick" here | 02:21 |
| Tuvix | In the US the political divide is so notable that voting jurisdictions that went to the conservatives by enough of a margin are significantly less likely as a populus to be vaccinated, and therefore more likely to suffer serious outcomes, including death. | 02:21 |
| LjL | JanC, you are not legally required until the person's PCR is positive. | 02:21 |
| JanC | it's slightly more complicated here | 02:21 |
| LjL | it may be obvious they have COVID because they may be visibly sick and have taken positive rapid tests, but their contacts aren't close contacts of a positive until there's PCR confirmation | 02:22 |
| JanC | many employers also don't want you to infect more people at work :) | 02:22 |
| LjL | JanC, well, in the case i know within my family, the one who'd be going to work if she couldn't take time off has already had COVID in 2020 *because* her employer refused to let them work from home, even though it's an office job so they could | 02:22 |
| LjL | governments should take "some employers are going to be dickheads" into account in their policy | 02:23 |
| Tuvix | Yea, the wording for 'close contact' is similar here, since you aren't really a close contact until they're confirmed. The pharmacy here offers 2 forms of rapid-test, I think the antigen test you get back within less than 24-hours (as long as they're not backlogged) and the PCR test you "usually" get back next-day, subject to lab testing delays. | 02:23 |
| JanC | yeah... | 02:23 |
| Tuvix | I should maybe call the county this sports club is located in and just let them know what this particular business is doing. | 02:24 |
| LjL | Tuvix, yeah but here the antigen test doesn't count as actual confirmation somehow | 02:24 |
| JanC | "high risk contact" sometimes depends on vaccination and/or recovery status & such here | 02:24 |
| Tuvix | It's sad, because I really like that venue and most of the people, but they're just being idiots when it comes to curbing the spread. A good number of the club members are either anti-vax or highly vaccine resistant too. | 02:24 |
| Tuvix | Oh, and mask-resistant. | 02:24 |
| LjL | Tuvix, also, yeah, my cousin and her father took their PCR on the same day, but my cousin got her result the next day, her dad didn't, and when they called for explanations they said "it's *minimum* one day" | 02:24 |
| Tuvix | Is that most lab delays? I'm curious where the backlog is occurring? | 02:25 |
| LjL | i don't know... but it's been even hard to find rapid tests to buy | 02:25 |
| JanC | sometimes the business owners want to restrict access, but they would go bankrupt if they would be the only business of their kind doing it voluntarily... | 02:25 |
| JanC | that's why government restrictions are often important | 02:26 |
| Tuvix | For comparison, here's the turnaround time ("TAT", 3rd chart down) from one of the 2 labs used by my local pharmacy chain around here: https://www.aegislabs.com/our-services/covid19-testing/ | 02:26 |
| LjL | i believe pharmacies don't administer PCR here | 02:26 |
| LjL | also *sigh* | 02:26 |
| LjL | first thing i see is something about SGTF | 02:26 |
| LjL | and i just can't make peace with the fact we don't *do* SGTF | 02:26 |
| Tuvix | JanC: Yea, I agree completely. Not just for customers, but also staff; if you have 1/3 of your staff who won't follow rules, they might just go to your competition instead if they're hiring. | 02:27 |
| JanC | that might work in both ways :) | 02:27 |
| JanC | soem people might come to your place if you are more strict | 02:27 |
| Tuvix | Sure, if there was another club like this one in the area with all vaccinated members and decent masking when in close proximity/indoors, I'd go there. | 02:28 |
| JanC | but if being more strict means you make no money while others do, that can't last too long... | 02:28 |
| Tuvix | Yup, that's the problem with say the local bars around here. | 02:28 |
| Tuvix | Even during our weak and largely inneffective regional lockdowns here, lots of the bars found "ways" around the rules. | 02:28 |
| Tuvix | One of the supper clubs I liked and wanted to support in 2020 I order take-out for. Turns out some of the locals also ordered "takeout." And while they "waited" they had a beer (masks down to drink it, so the whole time.) | 02:29 |
| Tuvix | Worse, they'd then get their to-go containers, and just open them at the bar. You know, "while they waited". | 02:29 |
| JanC | if that was outdoors it might have been okay-ish | 02:29 |
| Tuvix | Nope, indoors, zero outside airflow. | 02:30 |
| Tuvix | All at the bar counter. | 02:30 |
| JanC | that's something the take-out place can manage in some cases though | 02:31 |
| JanC | possibly with help from the city/town if necessary (when they need to use public space for that) | 02:32 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but in this case the venue was happy for any business, and as long as the city didn't shut them down, they didn't care. | 02:32 |
| Tuvix | But it goes back to your earlier point of a lack of (enforced) rules means there are effectively none. | 02:32 |
| JanC | in part | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dozens Face $4,700 Fines After COVID Curfew Protests in Montreal → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ruox2s/dozens_face_4700_fines_after_covid_curfew/ | 02:40 |
| JanC | I'm sure there are large difference that are not linked to legal rules also | 02:41 |
| Tuvix | Yup, and that varies a lot depending on where you are, as I'm sure it does to some extent in most countries. | 02:41 |
| JanC | even just here in Belgium we get huge regional differences in vaccination rates & such | 02:42 |
| Tuvix | LjL: Ah, apparently that chart's TAT value is from when the _lab_ gets the sample, so add whatever carrier pickup delay plus shipping delay is involved on top of that, so it could easily be 24-72 hours if there are backlogs in all of that. | 02:44 |
| JanC | big international cities tend to fare worse in some ways, because it's really hard to get your message trough uniformly when your inhabitants are exposed to 50 different international cultural communities | 02:45 |
| Tuvix | For the PCR tests anyway. I think the pharmacy-supervised "rapid" antigen test is same-day results subject to their in-house testing staff having time to process it. From the FAQ it sounds like a slightly more reliable version of antigen testing vs. the at-home tests. | 02:45 |
| JanC | pharmacy rapid tests are PCR tests really | 02:46 |
| JanC | although maybe not as advanced as some lab tests | 02:47 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I've seen a combination of TV ads here on the 1 news network I watch (I get most of my news through podcaasts and RSS/online sources) which has TV spots in both English and Spanish to try and catch households that may not be fluent in English. | 02:47 |
| Tuvix | Hmm, you may be right about that; I pulled up their FAQ to see hwo the rapid on-site test compares to the PCR, and they say: "Rapid Diagnostic Test (ID NOW): The Rapid Point-of-Care (POC) - NAAT (ID NOW) test also detects genetic material (mRNA) of the virus. The test is performed on site with results available within 24 hours." | 02:47 |
| Tuvix | Oh, they also offer "point of care" antigen tests, with the BinaxNOW brand which is antigen, with "same day" results. | 02:48 |
| Tuvix | Subject to a possible follow-up test they say. | 02:48 |
| JanC | there might be pharmacy tests that aren't PCR tests indeed | 02:49 |
| JanC | they could do self-tsts too, of course | 02:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): Wastewater samples from Boston suggest that infection levels in Massachusetts are sky high - much higher than the national average of just double the prior peak.So ICU numbers below prior peak are consistent with a big reduction in risk from [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1477816446021345282 | 02:49 |
| Tuvix | Yea, looks like they have 3 types. The same-day results antigen, <24 hours on-site test that basically seems to be a PCR but not as high quality as the lab, then the lab test they send off to get results for. | 02:49 |
| JanC | I got my PCR test back the same day | 02:52 |
| JanC | test result | 02:52 |
| Tuvix | Yea, based on that outside lab graph, as long as a pharmacy sample was sent off fast I might too. Probably faster if the PCR is done with in-house equipment. | 02:53 |
| Tuvix | There are other test sites too, but that pharmacy does drive-through testing and has 3 locations in under 15 minutes drive from me, so that's handy. | 02:54 |
| JanC | I went to the municipal testing centre around 13h30, got my result back in the evening | 02:54 |
| JanC | don't remember & can't find the exact turn-around time from logs, but it was less than 8 hours later :) | 02:56 |
| JanC | (I mentioned being positive on an IRC channel a bit after 21h :) ) | 02:57 |
| JanC | imagine what IRC logs are useful for :P | 02:58 |
| sdfgsdfg | I want my money back | 03:00 |
| Tuvix | Better than the production application logs at the last place I worked :D | 03:00 |
| sdfgsdfg | someone a few streets away from me set himself on fire yelling about mandatory vaccines and made it to the news | 03:01 |
| sdfgsdfg | ( in his car ) | 03:01 |
| Tuvix | Oof. | 03:01 |
| JanC | I didn't know self-combustion was a side effect... | 03:01 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol | 03:02 |
| Tuvix | It's just all so silly. Here in the US (and many other modern countries) we've had "mandate" or "requirements" or whatever you want to call them for things like gradeschool enrollment. This isn't new, and this isn't an assualt on personal freedoms. | 03:02 |
| JanC | well, they will point out COVID-19 vaccines are new and not tested extensively & long-term | 03:03 |
| Tuvix | To be clear, requirements for other vaccines. | 03:03 |
| Tuvix | Yea. | 03:03 |
| sdfgsdfg | so we know about vaccines but we dont know shit about the disease itself ? | 03:03 |
| JanC | but OTOH it's sort of an urgent situation | 03:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | or long covid, or vaccine efficacy statistics | 03:04 |
| Tuvix | Although how much more data do you really need? Yes, some are pointing out that there haven't been any 5 and 10 year studies, obviously, but there's another batch of disinformation that usually boils down to intentionaly misrepresentation of the facts. | 03:04 |
| Tuvix | We also have literally the entire world working on this problem, which is *how* we got it done so fast. | 03:04 |
| Tuvix | We could have done this with other vaccines that did take 10+ years to come to market, but we didn't dump this much global money into those. | 03:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | now we have new issue of equal global vax distribution, 3 month vaccination cycles, waning efficacy of vaccines in 3 - 4 months, new variants that evade these protections every 6 months | 03:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | did we know about any of these or did they promise that vaccines would end the pandemic last year | 03:05 |
| JanC | most of the previously mandatory vaccines were around for several decades, of course | 03:05 |
| Tuvix | Sure, those are all valid points, but there was an above study that showed even 2-dose recipients have significant reduction in at least severe outcomes. | 03:05 |
| Tuvix | So, waning aside, the data is clear: fully-vaccinated at any level is better than not. | 03:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | probably for a certain time - again | 03:06 |
| JanC | but they didn't have the urgency for those also | 03:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | not to mention it's a significant reduction on apparent severe symptoms "now" | 03:06 |
| Tuvix | JanC: Perhaps not, but some just a few years ago the US saw a rise in measles that almost resulted in its lack of erradication status: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31790030 | 03:07 |
| Tuvix | And taht was just a "small" pocket of anti-vaxers combined with an import of the virus. | 03:07 |
| JanC | and most (or all?) measles vaccines has been around for decades | 03:07 |
| sdfgsdfg | lobotomy has been around for decades too :P | 03:08 |
| Tuvix | Right, but its acceptance is higher. One of the bot's links this weekend had compared Omicron to measles in terms of how easily it spreads. | 03:08 |
| Tuvix | acceptance of the measles vaccine, although mostly because it's required for school children. If we had to get say a measles booster, I bet there'd be a huge national fight over that too :( | 03:08 |
| sdfgsdfg | in public conferences in london, all scientists welcomed lobotomy as a milestone | 03:08 |
| JanC | it probably worked better than anything else available for some people back when it was proposed | 03:09 |
| JanC | it was probably abused for many other things later on | 03:10 |
| JanC | and has been replaced by other "cures" for pretty much everything, I suppose | 03:11 |
| LjL | i think most of the "pharmacy tests" here are just normal antigen tests that you could do at home, but if you do them at a pharmacy, they validate the result and can give you a green pass for them (for the little it can be used for these days...) | 03:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | polio vaccines 1955-1963: SV40 cutter incident, whatever the excuse was for the contamination - they injected at least 100+ million americans with emergency authorization again at the time - today 6 decades later FDA discovers and admits that they gave 5-6 different types of cancers to all these people. And that's only for U.S. | 03:15 |
| JanC | self-tests/antigen-tests tend to give positive results very late | 03:15 |
| Tuvix | One of the rapid pharmacy tests is like that, but the other is basically an in-pharmacy PCR test. The 3rd level they send off to an actual outside lab though. I guess the 4th option is pay a bit to do your own off-the-shelf antigen test. | 03:15 |
| Tuvix | At least for the local pharmacy options I have. | 03:16 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I'd also seen the false-negative rate on at-home/antigen tests is pretty bad, especially with omicron. | 03:16 |
| Tuvix | If they read positive you're almost surely positive, but not so much if they read negative. | 03:16 |
| JanC | unless you stored/used them too cold, in which case they always test positive ;) | 03:17 |
| Tuvix | So of the experts being interviewed are suggesting that if you do use at-home rapid tests for pre-gathering decisions, taking 2 tests 24-hours apart is a good idea to help reduce false-negative results. | 03:17 |
| Tuvix | Some* | 03:17 |
| LjL | Tuvix, especially *bad* with omicron? that would surprise me given what i've heard is omicron may have higher viral load, and given the huge spike in positive *antigen* tests especially, in italy (i mean PCR is spiking too, but antigen used to always be below 1%, and last i checked it was >8%) | 03:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | omicron may have higher viral load ? | 03:18 |
| LjL | now it's 12% | 03:18 |
| JanC | they often don't test positive until you are 24-48h after peak contagiousness | 03:19 |
| Tuvix | I think the issue was the at-home tests, at least the brands common around here, are less sensitive to omicron's mutations. | 03:19 |
| LjL | Tuvix, https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/#box_6a left PCR, right antigen, the black line is the positive rate | 03:19 |
| Tuvix | Compared to say delta. | 03:19 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, for example Libera/##covid-19/2021-12-22.log:[04:35:12] <de-facto> " In addition, we found that early Omicron wave infections had a significantly lower mean PCR Ct-value compared to early Delta wave infections, which may reflect higher viral loads in Omicron infected individuals" | 03:20 |
| LjL | also Libera/##covid-19/2021-12-30.log:[20:46:05] <xx> it's "funny" how they say not to worry about omicron, because it doesn't cause high viral load in lung tissue (but instead higher up in bronchi), but we possibly see such a *massive* increase in wastewater (hence intestinal mucous tissue) | 03:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | intestinal mucous tissue and other organs potentially being affected more than delta | 03:21 |
| JanC | most tests take samples from your nose, not lungs or throats :) | 03:21 |
| sdfgsdfg | yes... | 03:21 |
| LjL | https://biobot.io/data/ shows the spike in wastewater | 03:22 |
| LjL | definitely higher, compared to positive case rate, than previous waves in the US | 03:22 |
| Tuvix | I think the only saving grace is that we have some vaccination uptake and at least those people are not as likely to end up in the hospital. They might still be spreading it to others though that do have a serious case (espcially the unvaccinated.) | 03:23 |
| Tuvix | We're about to see in the next 3-6 weeks or so how much that avoids complete explosions of hospital intake… | 03:23 |
| JanC | right | 03:23 |
| Tuvix | They're preparing for a very bad time, especially in areas that were near the breaking point already with just the delta+winter waves. | 03:24 |
| JanC | although o-mikron seems to make less people sick compared to infections | 03:24 |
| JanC | even when non-vaccinated maybe (that's not sure yet) | 03:24 |
| Tuvix | To a point, but for instance the number of pediatric hospitalizaions has just skyrocketed, hitting all-pandemic highs in a few areas before the new year's data blackouts. | 03:24 |
| Tuvix | That's perhaps not a good sign if you facotr in the lower vaccination rates in kids, plus the <5's still can't get any approved vaccine yet. | 03:25 |
| JanC | yeah, but most are non-ICU hospitalizations fortunately | 03:25 |
| JanC | but there are many factors indeed | 03:26 |
| Tuvix | Sure, although one children's hospital ER doctor was also discussing how low the hospital bed margins are for children, especially ICUs. It's less about raw numbers or even spike percentages, but resource usage (beds, ICUs, & staff) | 03:26 |
| JanC | yes, certainly | 03:26 |
| Tuvix | It's just not common that you have huge numbers of children needing urgent care within a region. | 03:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | are children really dying ? | 03:26 |
| JanC | some are, always have been | 03:27 |
| sdfgsdfg | I thought the difference was, children were dying 700 times less than 30+ | 03:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why Cloth Masks Might Not Be Enough as Omicron Spreads → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruq0wx/why_cloth_masks_might_not_be_enough_as_omicron/ | 03:27 |
| JanC | not at the same rates as octogenarian diabetic liver patients, of course | 03:27 |
| JanC | but dying is not the only risk | 03:28 |
| JanC | when you get really sick you can also get various organ damage or the requirement to amputate limbs... | 03:28 |
| sdfgsdfg | 1 kid with quite a lot of comorbidities dies, compared to 700 adults | 03:28 |
| Tuvix | sdfgsdfg: urgent care != death (though, yes, at least one has directly resulting from COVID, but IIRC they also had significant other factors at play) | 03:28 |
| Tuvix | The bigger issue I see is in kids is both urgent-care beds filling up with non-leathal but dangerous conditions, and long-term effects, especially if the reserach about long-term organ damage is predictive of post-recovery outcomes in even a small percentage of cases. | 03:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | I heard 0-5 year olds are also carrying a similar, tiny risk of death. Should we subscribe them to the 3 month cycle vaccines as soon as they are born | 03:30 |
| Tuvix | We do that already for lots of other vaccinations, sure. We'll go where the science says to go. | 03:31 |
| Tuvix | The 0 + 3wk + 6mo priming timeline is very common for a lot of vaccinations. | 03:31 |
| JanC | right now vaccines are more useful for pregnant women than for newborns though | 03:31 |
| JanC | COVID-19 vaccines | 03:31 |
| Tuvix | Yes, absolutely; my sister has an almost 2-month-old now, and her doctor made sure she was able to get the booster as soon as she was eligible. | 03:32 |
| Tuvix | she == the mother (not the kid, who can't get any yet) | 03:32 |
| JanC | because pregnancy reduces the effectiveness of a pregnant woman's immune system | 03:33 |
| LjL | It's not settled yet, but while a few of you are active: I've "divided" the old ##covid-ticker into ##covid-ticker and ##covid-news. The former will have case counts and more verbose tweets and the like; the latter aims towards significant news and press release, plus high-profile tweets. I might remove some of those things in ##covid-19 to make more space for studies and things worthy of discussing. | 03:33 |
| Tuvix | The loss of pregnancy in mothers who contract COVID was just insane, and a lot worse for delta than for earlier strains based on US CDC data. | 03:33 |
| LjL | on Matrix, the room names are the same as above, but one # and :matrix.org | 03:33 |
| xx | LjL: that's a lot of channels now... | 03:33 |
| Tuvix | It was something like 2.7% loss of pregnancy, vs. 0.68% (going by memory here) for the pre-pandemic values. | 03:33 |
| LjL | xx, there is no particular need to join them unless you're after those specific thing. ##covid-19 still aims to provide the most important stuff | 03:34 |
| Tuvix | Erm, that 2.7% is for *unvaccinated* monthers with COVID. | 03:34 |
| xx | Tuvix: because lots of reports for some reason ignore that other mucous tissues are affected too, not just lungs | 03:34 |
| LjL | It may provide even *more* of it, as in more signal/noise ratio, since the bot has to "choose" what to provide every 7 minutes when it checks feeds, since if more than one feed has new items, it will only show one of them. | 03:34 |
| JanC | Tuvix: the loss of pregnancy isn't the worst problem, but pregnant women's immune system is partially suppressed during pregnancy to prevent it from attacking the baby... | 03:34 |
| JanC | so they are more vulnerable to any infection | 03:35 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I've heard reports of that too; one article had a father (now single-parent) of their newborn, because she died in childbirth due to complications, largely due to her lack of vaccination plus COVID. | 03:35 |
| xx | damn it I hope I don't have covid, been out for new years, and since then developed a bit of a cough and can't smell much nor taste much (but can still taste a bit) | 03:35 |
| LjL | uh oh | 03:36 |
| Tuvix | In that story at least it got him to get vaccinated, but he'll have to live knowing that she probably could have made it too if they'd made that call sooner. | 03:36 |
| xx | I've also been travelling a fair bit just before new years | 03:36 |
| sdfgsdfg | are you sure you can't smell ? that's definitely 100% covid | 03:36 |
| JanC | xx: stay isolated & get tested (PCR test!) | 03:36 |
| sdfgsdfg | try the smell and taste test with lemons | 03:36 |
| xx | JanC: I'm in a foreign country right now, so tests are problematic | 03:36 |
| LjL | xx, loss of smell and taste is usually a dead giveaway. does it feel more like a cold (clogged nose hence can't smell), or more like actually "uh, wow, this doesn't smell/taste like anything anymore"? | 03:36 |
| xx | LjL: no runny nor clogged nose, just a dry cough | 03:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | lemon test is the best | 03:37 |
| xx | I'd be surprised if it was covid | 03:37 |
| LjL | xx, dry cough + loss of smell and taste... i mean no one can make diagnoses over the internet, but yes, get a test. or two. | 03:37 |
| xx | symptoms would be too soon after exposure | 03:37 |
| LjL | xx, since 31 december? | 03:37 |
| xx | yeah | 03:37 |
| LjL | that's not too soon | 03:37 |
| JanC | loss of smell & tatse can happen from many viral infections, but is more common for COVID-19 compared to most common viral infections | 03:37 |
| xx | hmm, I would have thought at least 3-4 days | 03:37 |
| LjL | average is 5 days. stress on *average* | 03:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | it takes about 3 days so thats perfect timing also | 03:37 |
| LjL | well, it's been 3-4 days :P | 03:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | ( with omicron ) | 03:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | earliest times of symptoms with omicron I think are reduced to 3, correct me if I'm wrong | 03:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | 3 days* | 03:38 |
| xx | anyway fortunately I'm not meeting anyone for the next 10 days anyway, so that's fine | 03:38 |
| JanC | you can also quarantine until 5 days after the end of symptoms or so | 03:38 |
| LjL | yes i also heard some rumors that Omicron may become symptomatic faster | 03:38 |
| JanC | if you really can't get tested | 03:38 |
| LjL | xx, you may very well still be positive in 10 days | 03:39 |
| JanC | but best is to get tested | 03:39 |
| Tuvix | "According to early data, the time it takes for an infected person to develop symptoms after an exposure may be shorter for omicron than for previous variants — from a full week down to as little as three days or fewer" | 03:39 |
| xx | JanC: I don't even speak the local language | 03:39 |
| JanC | many countries will get you tested for free even if you aren't insured or a local resident | 03:39 |
| LjL | xx, you'll find that there are English speakers in most countries | 03:39 |
| Tuvix | https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-symptoms-covid-what-to-know-rcna9469 (hunting for a more authorative source, but "3 or fewer" would totally apply to NYE celebrations) | 03:39 |
| LjL | i nodded for about 15 minutes to a concerned Spanish pharmacist telling me and my friends that we should be much more careful with sun exposure | 03:39 |
| Tuvix | In most of the EU this is literally NYE+3 days. | 03:40 |
| LjL | (at least i think that's what she was telling us) | 03:40 |
| Tuvix | "El Sol" ? :P | 03:40 |
| xx | yeah I'll see what to do in a couple of days. Even if it was covid, it would have been such a minimal exposure to the virus (wore protection, etc.) that there's little to worry about | 03:40 |
| LjL | Tuvix, being italian i do have an advantage in understanding *some* spanish, at least the gist | 03:40 |
| Tuvix | At least, I think that's sun. My Spanish was poor back in 9th grade when I last studied it. | 03:40 |
| LjL | yes it's the sun :P | 03:40 |
| xx | more likely I was just exposed to far too cold air for far too long | 03:41 |
| LjL | mira el sol como brilla | 03:41 |
| * Tuvix hablo Español muy mal | 03:41 | |
| JanC | xx: the amount of exposure is not very relevant | 03:41 |
| LjL | Tuvix, habla* if doing a /me :P | 03:41 |
| xx | but yeah, funny how I bought some local cooking oils and was like "This stuff has no smell or taste at all! *cough* *cough* Oh shit..." | 03:41 |
| JanC | I got very minimal exposure and got COVID-19 anyway | 03:41 |
| JanC | you should probably quarantine until 5 days after you get your smell back or so | 03:42 |
| JanC | or _at least_ until you get it back | 03:43 |
| xx | yeah I should order delivery of some smelly stuff | 03:43 |
| JanC | just try eating some hot peppers :P | 03:44 |
| Tuvix | An ex-coworker caught something before delta, and his accute loss of smell was the giveaway. He came into some family event with lots of food cooking and couldn't smell any of it. Tested positive as soon as he got tested. | 03:44 |
| JanC | Tuvix: I only got the loss of smell _after_ I actually got sick (mild fever was over already), so it's probably a sign you've been spreading the virus for days... | 03:46 |
| Tuvix | Stupid COVID taking lessons from the Star Trek Tribbles… | 03:46 |
| JanC | anyone coughing, sneezing, with a running nose, losing smell/taste, or whatever... should probably get tested and/or quarantine | 03:49 |
| Tuvix | Yea, my sister & her husband got tested when they both felt off a few days after our very small all vaccinated & pre-isolated family gathering between 3 households. They were negative, but them both having symptoms prompted the test | 03:50 |
| JanC | testing negative is not 100% safe either, depending on when :-/ | 03:50 |
| Tuvix | True, although these were PCR tests and taken as soon as they noticed symptoms. | 03:51 |
| JanC | PCR tests tend to be accurate when you have symptoms, I guess | 03:51 |
| Tuvix | And between both of them, 2 negative lab tests seems likely they weren't, but not a 100% sure thing. | 03:51 |
| Tuvix | Apparently he really felt bad, but perhaps just a nasty cold he shared between them. | 03:52 |
| JanC | technically COVID-19 is a really bad "cold" | 03:52 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but the kind we haven't yet figured out any reliable vaccination against :P | 03:52 |
| JanC | which is why it's so complicated to diagnose without testing, I guess | 03:53 |
| Tuvix | Yup, cold symptoms look a lot like flu which looks a lot like COVID. | 03:54 |
| JanC | well, a lost of what people call a "flu" is just a nasty cold also | 03:54 |
| JanC | *a lot* | 03:54 |
| Tuvix | Ah, here's the St:TOS Tribble quote I was looking for, McCoy: "the nearest thing I can figure is that they're born pregnant." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nb6im5dBeM&t=1m20s | 03:55 |
| JanC | I've always heard that anything that doesn't last 3 days to 3 weeks probably is a cold and not a flu :) | 03:55 |
| JanC | (in an otherwise healthy person) | 03:56 |
| JanC | then again, the "common cold" is a pretty vague description for many viral infections that are over quickly | 03:59 |
| Tuvix | Right, flu symptoms are typically more nasty than "just a cold." As an under-40 something I've been a bit lax about flu vaccinations in prior years, but I think going through this pandemic has changed my outlook on that. | 03:59 |
| JanC | we've all been exposed to the most common flu viruses during our life though | 04:00 |
| Tuvix | Partly for me, but also to reduce the impact to others, even if the vaccine is more of a miss some years, like the flu protection seems to be this year. | 04:00 |
| JanC | and built some immunity to them | 04:00 |
| JanC | AFAIK there hasn't been any flu epidemic in a couple years :) | 04:01 |
| JanC | because so many people have been social distancing & masking | 04:01 |
| JanC | in most areas, at least | 04:01 |
| Tuvix | Yup, distance, remote-work, masking, and various restrictions imposed have helped a lot. Improved handwashing too. | 04:02 |
| JanC | obviously COVID-19 is significantly more infectious than the flu | 04:02 |
| JanC | (in places where there is lots of natural/vaccine immunity to the flu) | 04:03 |
| JanC | (native Americans probably felt the same about the common cold or the flu as what we now see with COVID-19...) | 04:09 |
| JanC | or the measles & such, of course | 04:09 |
| Tuvix | I forget the island, but every season they'd get a major ship that arrived with most of the necessary supplies for the upcoming year. They had some local name for the flu-like illnesses that would follow among island residents that translated to something like "boat sickness" | 04:13 |
| JanC | hehe | 04:13 |
| JanC | sounds like the FOSDEM-flu | 04:14 |
| JanC | how a number of (mostly non-European) people visiting that open source conference would get sick after attending that conference in early February... | 04:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | except the most fun difference between covid and flu is covid can permanently damage your central nervous system, cardiac or respiratory diseases | 04:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | give you cardiac or respiratory diseases* | 04:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | terminal ones | 04:15 |
| JanC | sdfgsdfg: the flu can do that too (just less common, because most people have some latent immunity to various flu varients) | 04:16 |
| JanC | even the common cold can do that... | 04:16 |
| sdfgsdfg | I didn't know that | 04:16 |
| oerheks | lungs, heart, kidneys, diaphragm | 04:16 |
| JanC | more likely to happen if you don't rest while sick, but try to work trough it... | 04:17 |
| JanC | I know about at least one pro cyclist whose career ended because of a common cold infection that way... | 04:18 |
| JanC | if you live in a tropical region, malaria is a more likely reason for similar organ/limb damage, of course... | 04:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | "In one study looking at 336,000 hospital admissions for flu, 11.5% experienced a serious cardiac event." | 04:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | O__o | 04:19 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but remember by the time you get to the hospital you're already doing very badly. | 04:19 |
| JanC | most people don't go to hospital for the flu, of course | 04:20 |
| Tuvix | Same as a children's ER doctor answering a reporter's questions about COVID and children hospitalized by saying "all the kids at our hospital are in bad shape" | 04:20 |
| JanC | but those who have co-morbidities... | 04:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | I was about to mention the comorbidity issue again :P | 04:21 |
| JanC | "co-morbidity" just means you're more vulnerable than average for some reason really | 04:22 |
| Tuvix | I really do feel bad for people with severely depressed immune systems. A friend of the family is going through chemo for stage-4 cancer, and my assumption is he has to basically live in a bubble with vaccinated and tested contacts. | 04:22 |
| JanC | well, it means they know *why* you are more vulnerable than average | 04:22 |
| Tuvix | These-days you just can't trust that any gathering you don't fully vet is safe enough for that kind of an encounter. | 04:22 |
| JanC | Tuvix: yeah, indeed | 04:23 |
| Tuvix | I'm sure such people had to be careful before, but now, I can't even immagine the life-changing quality of life that has. | 04:23 |
| Tuvix | Of course, his odds are bad anyway, but that's just extra crappy. | 04:23 |
| JanC | my brother died just over a year ago from cancer, so we got some of the "be extra careful" shit before that | 04:26 |
| JanC | you know it's never 100% safe though... :-/ | 04:26 |
| Tuvix | Always a fine balance, but then again so is so much we do. My next trip in my car is a risk, but I can mitigate it by checking the vehicle, and perhaps living extra space if it's wet or icy. | 04:29 |
| Tuvix | leaving* | 04:29 |
| Tuvix | I get the tourists who may come from a less snow-ridden climate, but the locals who always seem to collectively tailgate a bit too much that first big snowfall leave me scratching my head. | 04:30 |
| Tuvix | Society has a short memory. | 04:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Balazs Lab (@BalazsLab): Looks like boosting stimulates cross-reactive B cells against Omicron spike. Great work from @ShivPillai4 lab! twitter.com/ShivPillai4/st… → https://twitter.com/BalazsLab/status/1477841582883622914 | 04:30 |
| JanC | if anything, riding on snow/ice is safest with no sudden reactions, so keeping a distance is the #1 rule :) | 04:32 |
| JanC | anyone tailgating on snowy roads is obviously a bad driver | 04:33 |
| Tuvix | Indeed, that's how I was taught. But I also don't like taking risks on the road. | 04:33 |
| Tuvix | I grew up in a major metro area, so that's just how everyone drives. Over the years there have been some a handful of pretty awful pileups attributed in part to worse than typical weather combined with what I'm sure were multiple bad safety decisions. | 04:34 |
| Tuvix | I'm not going to get vaccinated and survive the pandemic just to get taken out on the highway, at least if I have anything to say about it! | 04:34 |
| JanC | occasionally pile-ups are caused by sudden mist banks, I suppose | 04:35 |
| sdfgsdfg | are you in a scandinavian country Tuvix | 04:36 |
| Tuvix | No, upper great plains, US, about 45˚ latitude. | 04:36 |
| Tuvix | Weather here is probably not that different from some of the more southern nordic areas though. | 04:36 |
| Tuvix | We leave all the Arctic Circle nonsense to the Canadians up north though :P | 04:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | not sure if that's close but my friend in sasketchewan was telling me the weather over there was -48 degrees the other day | 04:37 |
| JanC | "arctic circle nonsense"? a place like Calgary is no further north than where I live in western Europe :P | 04:38 |
| Tuvix | Yea, it's a few years old, but my Canadian population density knowledge is that 90% of the population lives within about 150km of the US border. Canada is big, and lots of it gets very cold. | 04:38 |
| JanC | NYC is about as far from the North Pole as Madrid (in Southern Europe) | 04:39 |
| sdfgsdfg | canadians know which types of bears are dangerous | 04:39 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New studies reinforce belief that Omicron is less likely to damage lungs | Omicron variant | The Guardian → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rus5fc/new_studies_reinforce_belief_that_omicron_is_less/ | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: First generic version of new Pfizer COVID pill enters Bangladeshi pharmacies → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rusgbb/first_generic_version_of_new_pfizer_covid_pill/ | 05:26 |
| LjL | generic Paxlovid?! | 05:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Analysis: Olympics Fast-spreading Omicron to test Beijing Winter Games bubble → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rusogo/analysis_olympics_fastspreading_omicron_to_test/ | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Quebec begins retail store closures amid new COVID-19 wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rust3x/quebec_begins_retail_store_closures_amid_new/ | 05:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Is India prepared for Omicron? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruszb0/is_india_prepared_for_omicron/ | 05:54 |
| LjL | "Prof Jennifer Rohn at University College London said that her experience of using LFTs was that she had tested negative using nose swabs but positive when taking a sample from her throat. | 06:01 |
| LjL | That seemed to be supported by a study from South Africa showing that saliva samples subjected to PCR tests were better than nasal swabs at detecting Omicron." | 06:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Weekly COVID hospitalizations in Louisiana more than double as omicron surges → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rut8r2/weekly_covid_hospitalizations_in_louisiana_more/ | 06:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Evidence for a mouse origin of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rutbw3/evidence_for_a_mouse_origin_of_the_sarscov2/ | 06:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Brazil to probe cruise companies over COVID-19 outbreaks → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rutser/brazil_to_probe_cruise_companies_over_covid19/ | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: S.Korea reports first deaths linked to Omicron coronavirus variant → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruu54f/skorea_reports_first_deaths_linked_to_omicron/ | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UAE to ban non-vaccinated citizens from traveling abroad from Jan. 10 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruuek2/uae_to_ban_nonvaccinated_citizens_from_traveling/ | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Christopher A. Longhurst (@calonghurst): 5/ Yesterday @UCSDHealth cared for 16 inpatients with omicron (1 in ICU), 15 with delta (4 in ICU), and another 20+ with unknown variant status b/c analysis takes 2+ days (h/t @brianclaymd for chart review). Note the steep trajectory locally and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/calonghurst/status/1477883078047502336 | 07:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How will pandemic end? Omicron clouds forecasts for endgame → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruuycc/how_will_pandemic_end_omicron_clouds_forecasts/ | 07:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Israel detects first case of 'florona' disease, a double infection of Covid-19 and influenza → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruvxz7/israel_detects_first_case_of_florona_disease_a/ | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Executive dysfunction following SARS-CoV-2 infection: A cross-sectional examination in a population-representative sample → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ruw2bj/executive_dysfunction_following_sarscov2/ | 08:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Chatbot helps Taiwan vaccinate over 90% of migrant workers → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruw3y3/chatbot_helps_taiwan_vaccinate_over_90_of_migrant/ | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Everything old is new again: Since the pandemic hit, I've frequently said things like, "," referring to the antivaccine movement in the age of COVID-19. As 2022 dawned, I thought I'd expand a bit on what I mean. Is there a term for déjà vu, but what I'm seeing now is amplified [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/everything-old-is-new-again/ | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sinovac COVID-19 shot with Pfizer booster less effective against Omicron - study → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruwlm0/sinovac_covid19_shot_with_pfizer_booster_less/ | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Weekly Covid Cases Pass 10 Million, Doubling Previous Record - BNN Bloomberg → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruwt1t/weekly_covid_cases_pass_10_million_doubling/ | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Some Bay Area families wait 7+ hours for PCR COVID testing as stores sell out of at-home tests → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruwyb3/some_bay_area_families_wait_7_hours_for_pcr_covid/ | 09:47 |
| sdfgsdfg | nothing exciting for another week or two | 09:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | every week was like the season finale of an exciting show | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Pakistan sees most COVID-19 cases in two months; concern about Omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rux7m7/pakistan_sees_most_covid19_cases_in_two_months/ | 10:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: India launches drive to vaccinate children before a feared Omicron surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruxmy3/india_launches_drive_to_vaccinate_children_before/ | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: A WHO official weighs in on Covid, vaccines, and mistakes that were made: "The biggest collective failing has been that we've underestimated this microbe," the WHO's Mike Ryan says of SARS-CoV-2. → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/03/a-who-official-weighs-in-on-covid-vaccines-and-mistakes-that-were-made/ | 10:42 |
| sdfgsdfg | ha ! mistakes that were made | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Analysis: Xi'an massive lockdown tests limits of China's zero-Covid policy → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruxuib/analysis_xian_massive_lockdown_tests_limits_of/ | 10:52 |
| -Bridgestorm- 🏠 地震! Earthquake! 6.0 M tremor, registered by yurekuru, 1 early, occurred 8 minutes ago (09:46:33 UTC), with a crescent moon, Hualien City, Taiwan (23.9, 122.0), ↓20 km likely felt 260 km away (in 花蓮市, 吉安鄉, 新城鄉, 秀林鄉, 壽豐鄉…) by 277800 people with maximum intensity Shindo 3 → https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1477939636257591298 https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1477939617911689220 (Twitter) | 10:54 | |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 6.1 M tremor, registered by yurekuru, 1 early, occurred 8 minutes ago (09:46:33 UTC), with a crescent moon, Hualien City, Taiwan (23.93, 121.99) ± 17 km, ↓19 km likely felt 280 km away (in 花蓮市, 吉安鄉, 新城鄉, 秀林鄉, 壽豐鄉…) by 277800 people with maximum intensity Shindo 3 → https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1477939617911689220 (Twitter) | 10:55 | |
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| -Bridgestorm- https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1477939597120503817 (Twitter) | 11:01 | |
| sdfgsdfg | just noticed the video of Amsterdam police setting dogs on protesters.. whoaaa hahaha | 11:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://t.co/I3Ha5SJoG1 | 11:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From t.co: https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1477731422467153932/video/1 | 11:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | eh | 11:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From t.co: https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1477731422467153932/video/1 | 11:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1477731422467153932/video/1 | 11:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From twitter.com: RT (@RT_com): "Amsterdam police set dogs on protesters at massive anti-lockdown rally DETAILS: https://on.rt.com/boj8" | nitter | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Indonesia to give booster shots to public from Jan 12 as Omicron spreads → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruy6sl/indonesia_to_give_booster_shots_to_public_from/ | 11:10 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 6.2 Mww tremor, registered by US,usauto, occurred 24 minutes ago (09:46:36 UTC), with a crescent moon, Hualien City, Taiwan (24.0, 122.24), ↓28 km likely felt 310 km away (in 花蓮市, 吉安鄉, 新城鄉, 秀林鄉…) by 224800 people (service.iris.edu) | 11:11 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Covid-19: An urgent call for global “vaccines-plus” action → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ruyizg/covid19_an_urgent_call_for_global_vaccinesplus/ | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Reduced clinical symptoms Omicron also in Texas; but again, the contribution of immunity vs intrinsic virus pathogenicity is not clear.medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/hyU77BPN8l → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1477962020607643648 | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Quebec Begins Retail Store Closures Amid New Omicron Wave : NPR → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ruznkk/quebec_begins_retail_store_closures_amid_new/ | 12:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: What Is Delmicron And Why Is It Different From Omicron? → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rv012l/what_is_delmicron_and_why_is_it_different_from/ | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australia starts 2022 with record Covid cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rv0d72/australia_starts_2022_with_record_covid_cases/ | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Overwhelmed hospitals. Staffing shortages. Businesses closing. Here's how the Omicron wave is ravaging local communities → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv0gmz/overwhelmed_hospitals_staffing_shortages/ | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Australia to push ahead with reopening amid record cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv0lls/australia_to_push_ahead_with_reopening_amid/ | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron teaches hard lessons as U.S. schools revamp return from holidays → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv1d7e/omicron_teaches_hard_lessons_as_us_schools_revamp/ | 14:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: The Goldilocks Time for Remdesivir — Is Any Indication Just Right? | NEJM → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rv1my8/the_goldilocks_time_for_remdesivir_is_any/ | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Amsterdam: Thousands protest COVID measures despite ban on gatherings → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rv255n/amsterdam_thousands_protest_covid_measures/ | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Milwaukee Public Schools will temporarily transition to virtual learning due to influx of COVID-19 cases among staff members → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv2f00/milwaukee_public_schools_will_temporarily/ | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: New Covid-19 vaccine developers expect nothing in return; COVAX distribution falls short of goals → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/01/03/covid19-vaccine-omicron-covax-fda-adhd/ | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times :-(by @smithtoons pic.twitter.com/0HxXLb6wXg → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478012524335284227 | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from BioNTech: Pfizer and BioNTech Receive U.S. FDA Emergency Use Authorization of COVID-19 Vaccine Booster for Individuals 12 Years of Age and Older: First emergency use authorization in the United States for a COVID-19 vaccine booster in [... want %more?] → https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-receive-us-fda-emergency-use-authorization-0 | 15:50 |
| moneyblessing[m] | How To Become Millionaire From 100 Dollar Within 1 Year With Godlike Cryptocurrency Mining https://illusioncyber.forumotion.com/t22-how-to-become-millionaire-from-100-dollar-within-1-year-with-godlike-cryptocurrency-mining | 15:54 |
| aradesh | graph i made. deaths registered in england/weekly: https://i.imgur.com/BuNWbTO.png | 16:08 |
| aradesh | also has a line for number of deaths with covid-19 mentioned on the death certificate | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Passengers leave COVID-hit cruise ship after 5 days stuck in Lisbon → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv3ayp/passengers_leave_covidhit_cruise_ship_after_5/ | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): This was expected, but finally we see 5 months instead of 6 (many months overdue, as backed by the data on waning)"anyone eligible for a booster could get the shot five months after receiving the second Pfizer-BioNTech shot, down from six [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478021011710701569 | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: After a muted New Year's weekend, US braces for more Covid disruptions as students return to school → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv3x9c/after_a_muted_new_years_weekend_us_braces_for/ | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: FDA Recommends COVID-19 Boosters for Children 12 and Older: The FDA now recommends Americans 12 years and older receive COVID-19 booster shots. Additionally, they moved to shorten the time in between the second and third dose from 6 months to 5 for [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/fda-recommends-covid-19-boosters-for-children-12-and-older | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin tests positive for COVID-19: Austin, 68, tested positive on Sunday. He said that his symptoms are mild, and he was fully vaccinated and boosted in October. He plans to continue with key meetings virtually during quarantine. → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/03/1069894911/defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-covid-19 | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Cognitive dysfunction after Covid vs uninfected controls, total N ~2,000, avg age 37 medrxiv.org/content/10.110… "regardless of COVID-19 symptom severity reported a significantly higher number of symptoms of executive dysfunction than their non-infected [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478033332851994626 | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: Twitter permanently suspends Marjorie Taylor Greene’s account over COVID disinfo → https://arstechnica.com/ | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Postural tachycardia syndrome and long COVID: an update → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv5822/postural_tachycardia_syndrome_and_long_covid_an/ | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ADHS reported more than 14,000 new COVID-19 cases Monday → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv5kkl/adhs_reported_more_than_14000_new_covid19_cases/ | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Ontario moves school online, closes indoor dining and gyms as part of sweeping new COVID-19 measures → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv5nr0/ontario_moves_school_online_closes_indoor_dining/ | 17:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Josiah 'So Mild' Grindrod (@JT_Grindrod): I love how conservatives have pushed for parents to be able to homeschool kids for years and then there's a pandemic and suddenly there's literally nothing more important for children than being in a physical school building. Make it make sense. → https://twitter.com/JT_Grindrod/status/1478048377581359108 | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Ontario shuts schools, indoor dining and gyms | AP News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv6nwy/ontario_shuts_schools_indoor_dining_and_gyms_ap/ | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest topics: Senior Scientist, Infectious Diseases at Helix: In response to the COVID pandemic, Helix has built one of the nation’s largest COVID diagnostic labs and has been on the forefront of national viral surveillance efforts, tracking Alpha (B.1.1.7), Delta, and [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/senior-scientist-infectious-diseases-at-helix/779 | 18:48 |
| LjL | aradesh, pfft, that's just the deaths you always get from the flu, obviously | 18:51 |
| LjL | aradesh, i found a thing https://www.ft.com/content/05e32f95-0e7e-4d2a-b408-6ec6035dea8e | 18:52 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/EEeHV82 https://i.imgur.com/K61Cp9p.png | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: Fatalities and over all cause Deaths - Album on Imgur | 19:06 |
| aradesh | LjL: only got the headline | 19:06 |
| aradesh | pay wall'd | 19:06 |
| aradesh | LjL: i made the graph for people who claim that the deaths for covid are just for people who would have "died of something else anyway" that sort of thing. clearly in my graph the reported cases of covid match up exactly with the unexpected spikes. and for the anti-lockdown folks, to see that if you had a spike like that all of a sudden, surely they would have locked everything down too if they were in | 19:08 |
| aradesh | charge | 19:08 |
| de-facto | aradesh seems to be the case for Germany too, the peaks on over all cause deaths match perfectly with COVID fatalities (see my linked graph above) | 19:09 |
| Tuvix | That might help if the arguments were founded in logic. I have family in the mental health profession, and the comments from many covid/vaccination/mask deniers or downplyers is often a "fixed dillusion" which is a mental-health way of saying that they're believes are so unmovable that you won't convince them with information like that. | 19:10 |
| aradesh | so either it's a myth, that they mark everyone who died "with covid" as having died of it, or, even if they are doing that, it's so insignificant compared to those who actually do die of it | 19:10 |
| de-facto | except for August 11 2020, that peak only shows up in over all cause deaths, weird | 19:10 |
| Tuvix | In other words, even *if* they believe your chart, they'll just then claim that the death certificates are wrong or faked, or that the doctors are clueless and calling things COVID that aren't. This may all also be untrue, but now you have to go "disprove" those things too. | 19:10 |
| de-facto | that one particular peak was caused by something else than COVID, all the others coincide with the covid fatality peaks | 19:10 |
| LjL | aradesh, i know. there is a concept of "excess deaths" also, which is deaths normalized by the deaths you'd expect in a given period of the year. if nothing special is happening you expect the excess deaths to oscillate between positive and negative, around the average | 19:11 |
| aradesh | Tuvix: yup i know people like that | 19:11 |
| ublx | relevant: "Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64" : https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html | 19:11 |
| LjL | aradesh, https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid_links/tags/Mortality/library | 19:11 |
| ublx | not available in Europe/UK for GDPR reasons, so: https://archive.is/VIzFv | 19:11 |
| LjL | i've also saved a snapshot of the article you can't read in Zotero but it appear you can't read the snapshot unless you're me (or are logged into Zotero maybe...) | 19:12 |
| de-facto | aradesh, which graph are you talking about, can you relink it? | 19:13 |
| aradesh | LjL: yeah i can't figure out how to see it in it | 19:13 |
| aradesh | de-facto: https://i.imgur.com/XPkpe31.png | 19:13 |
| de-facto | ah thanks | 19:13 |
| aradesh | i plotted registered deaths/week and deaths with coronavirus on the certificate, for england | 19:14 |
| LjL | aradesh, https://archive.is/stF1H | 19:14 |
| aradesh | LjL: thanks! | 19:14 |
| de-facto | yeah those peaks clearly coincide, nice graph | 19:15 |
| aradesh | often get accused of cherry-picking and stuff by deniers, so i thought something so simple like that would help | 19:15 |
| LjL | wut, archive.org schedules my page capture for 402 minutes from now. are people saving the WHOLE WEB or something? | 19:16 |
| aradesh | Tuvix: why have so many people become so derranged over covid? it's odd | 19:16 |
| aradesh | and unhelpful! | 19:17 |
| de-facto | aradesh, yep especially because the "over the usual" peaks on all causes deaths indicate the presence of some unusual cause and the coincidence with the lower graph clearly reveals that cause, that addresses discussions about "died with/from covid" | 19:17 |
| Tuvix | It's a weird mix of nationalism and anti-vaccination, combined with the spread of social media, at least in part. | 19:17 |
| Tuvix | The anti-vaxers and the political conservative movement here in the US have _not_ always been friends with each other (I watched a documentry on this just last month) but they have been good buddies over this all recently. | 19:18 |
| Tuvix | Not because they get along so well, but because they can basically use each other for mutual advantage. | 19:18 |
| aradesh | some people when i've shown them data like this they go, "you BELIEVE The government's own data?" | 19:18 |
| aradesh | so those people are gonna be too far gone | 19:18 |
| LjL | oh god | 19:18 |
| aruns | Tuvix: I think the media not fully knowing the underlying science doesn't help either. | 19:18 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but it's not really the media's job to know, or even politicians. They need to surround themselves with good people who do. | 19:19 |
| LjL | aradesh, ublx: from the FT article "Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at Norwich Medical School, said he had initially suspected the excess deaths in recent months might have been caused by a return of respiratory viruses, such as flu, but data suggest that cardiovascular disease and strokes were the most prominent conditions contributing to the unexpectedly high mortality levels." and if you add that to the Indiana insurance article... are we seeing... long | 19:19 |
| LjL | COVID? (the short version where you die) | 19:19 |
| aradesh | Tuvix: yeah they both see it as an opportunity to push their causes | 19:19 |
| Tuvix | aruns: Really that's the same for us members of the public too; if I have a health need I'm not going to ask a news anchor or my local elected representative; I'm going to ask a *doctor* ;) | 19:19 |
| aradesh | Tuvix: for nationalists, an opportunity to capitalise on general "distrust" in the government, so they point out covid conspiracies to make them think the gov lie to them, and so on | 19:20 |
| Tuvix | Right, and then in return they motivate voters to turn out, shout at school board meetings, etc. | 19:20 |
| aradesh | LjL: i used to live in norwich! | 19:20 |
| lastshell | I felt better today but still runny nose,I might get the covid test but I'm boosterized | 19:21 |
| aradesh | LjL: hopefully anti-vaxxers don't pick up on that to mean that it's vaccines causing that | 19:21 |
| LjL | too subtle | 19:21 |
| dTal | LjL: could also be from the increase in sedentary behavior | 19:23 |
| Tuvix | The bot picked it up yesterday, but a sitting member of the US congress had her personal account banned from twitter for her 5th "strike" of major misinformation, incorrectly linking deaths with the vaccines. I wonder how many have died becuase they trusted advice like that and could have lived if they'd gotten vaccinated… | 19:24 |
| dTal | the switch to working from home will have cost a lot of people their only daily exercise | 19:24 |
| Tuvix | Early on in the pandemic when there were pretty mild "lockdowns" here, I noticed more people out for daily walks. | 19:25 |
| aradesh | maybe it IS the vaccine xD that'd be a plot twist | 19:25 |
| Tuvix | Maybe not directly _for_ excersize, but at least to get out of the home a bit. | 19:25 |
| aradesh | i've definitely been more sedentary the last couple of weeks oof | 19:25 |
| aradesh | need to get active again | 19:26 |
| LjL | well i would dissect the data and figure out what's the actual cause but i'm not smart enough and i feel cold and crap so i'll lie on the couch instead | 19:27 |
| lastshell | even the former president Trump was boo by his supporters when he told he took the vaccines and got the booster | 19:27 |
| lastshell | is a little crazy world right now, also many changes on the guidelines by the cdc | 19:28 |
| ublx | LjL: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/01/life-insurer-deaths-among-working-age-americans-up-40-under-covid.html#comment-3657610 | 19:29 |
| ublx | the comment beginning "Just imagining a few hypothetical(s)..." | 19:29 |
| ublx | ie i guess a little bit from column a, b, .., n | 19:30 |
| LjL | ublx, "David develops depression and brain fog from asymptomatic COVID which he doesn’t believe is real and so doesn’t recognize." ← how would you recognize asymptomatic covid? the definition of asymptomatic is that you don't recognize it... | 19:30 |
| ublx | (the commentariat from that blog can get a tad histrionic so don't necessarily read on without that in mind) | 19:31 |
| ublx | LjL: well. if he doesn't recognise it, it's asymptomatic to him, i guess | 19:31 |
| LjL | i just think the person meant long COVID | 19:32 |
| LjL | it doesn't make sense with "asymptomatic" | 19:32 |
| de-facto | if all the discussions about costs from COVID only go about lockdowns vs fatalities they ignore the problem emerging from a significantly large part of infected having to deal with long lasting health issues after their "recovery", so that puts both, costs on healthcare system and reduces their ability for productive work as well as possibly even their life expectancy | 19:33 |
| ublx | i think the point trying to be made was about the possible nebulousness of future concatenating effects | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Maternal Outcomes After Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Infection in Vaccinated Compared With Unvaccinated Pregnant Patients → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rv85od/maternal_outcomes_after_severe_acute_respiratory/ | 19:35 |
| de-facto | .title https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/fulltext/2022/01000/maternal_outcomes_after_severe_acute_respiratory.14.aspx?utm_source=pocket_mylist | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From journals.lww.com: Maternal Outcomes After Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Co... : Obstetrics & Gynecology | 19:38 |
| de-facto | "A total of 10,092 pregnant patients were included in the study. There were 1,332 vaccinated patients and 8,760 incompletely vaccinated or unvaccinated patients, a 13.2% vaccination rate." | 19:39 |
| de-facto | "Vaccinated patients had lower odds of severe or critical COVID-19 (0.08% vs 0.66%, adjusted odds ratio [aOR] 0.10, 95% CI 0.01–0.49) and COVID-19 of any severity (1.1% vs 3.3%, aOR 0.31, 95% CI 0.17–0.51) (Table 2)." | 19:39 |
| de-facto | "Despite the lack of statistical significance for secondary outcomes, the use of adjunctive medical therapy was rare for vaccinated patients, and no vaccinated patients needed supplemental oxygen or intensive care unit admission (Table 2)." | 19:39 |
| de-facto | "When including all partially vaccinated patients who received any doses of the vaccine before the study, an association between vaccinated status and lower odds of severe or critical COVID-19 (0.07% vs 0.68%, aOR 0.08, 95% CI 0.004–0.40) and COVID-19 of any severity (1.1% vs 3.3%, aOR 0.30, 95% CI 0.17–0.48) remained." | 19:40 |
| de-facto | "Our study shows an association between SARS-CoV-2 vaccination and lower odds of severe or critical COVID-19 and COVID-19 of any severity in pregnant patients during the Delta variant–predominant fourth surge of SARS-CoV-2." | 19:41 |
| Tuvix | CDC had a pretty stunning report on stillbirth outcomes in the unvaccinated too looking at data up to delta: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7047e1.htm | 19:42 |
| Tuvix | Pre-delta the aRR for COVID while unvaccinated was 1.47, (95% CI of 1.27-1.71) but for delta it was an aRR of 4.04 (95% CI 3.28-4.97) | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: The Associated Press: 700 sheep and goats were arranged in the shape of a needle to encourage vaccinations → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/03/1069942305/sheep-goats-encourage-vaccination-germany | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): I wrote in the Washington Post pointing out that widespread use of the drug increases the risk that we will create new immunoevasive variants. This could come from Delta; it may not be milder like Omicron. Since my piece is no longer browsable, I post [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1478074276838207491 | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France reports close to 67,500 new daily COVID cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv8u7y/france_reports_close_to_67500_new_daily_covid/ | 20:03 |
| LjL | when i add things to Zotero or github (i seldom do the latter anymore), they used to show up in here, but now i've moved it all to ##covid-ticker. part of the reason for showing them here was to "promote" the zotero/github pages, but that never seemed to have much effect. i wonder though if removing it also loses the feedback that important things people post are actually being acknowledged/added? | 20:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid cases rise by 948% in Florida as Omicron drives huge wave across US → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv9bsu/covid_cases_rise_by_948_in_florida_as_omicron/ | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Some schools expecting virus surge go online, cancel classes → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rv9k4z/some_schools_expecting_virus_surge_go_online/ | 20:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: The Wrong People Are Hoarding COVID Tests: Move over mimosas, because America has a fresh New Year’s tradition: struggling to get tested for COVID before returning to school or work. The line for brunch was replaced, last weekend, with line after line after line of weary [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/covid-test-shortage/621149/ | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: B.C.'s heli-ski industry under pressure from Omicron despite COVID-19 testing, precautions → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rva1sr/bcs_heliski_industry_under_pressure_from_omicron/ | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How COVID hospitalization reporting will change in New York → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rva5sh/how_covid_hospitalization_reporting_will_change/ | 21:10 |
| xx | LjL: I quite liked the distinction that zotero additions were channel notices, compared to the generic Brainstorm stuff | 21:24 |
| LjL | xx, it was kind of incidental, as i used the default Matrix RSS bot for them (so that they wouldn't "swamp" more important news since Brainstorm only does one post every 7 minutes), and on Matrix, it's the custom for bots to use (the IRC equivalent of) NOTICE | 21:25 |
| LjL | it's still being done that way in ##covid-ticker though | 21:25 |
| LjL | but there are also some people for whom channel notices are very intrusive as they get highlighted. although i think those people should get clients that aren't so crap :P | 21:25 |
| Arsanerit | Notices end up unseen in window #1. | 21:26 |
| LjL | or that | 21:26 |
| LjL | neither is ideal behavior | 21:26 |
| LjL | NOTICEs should act similar to PRIVMSGs just with some visual distinguishing factor | 21:27 |
| LjL | anyhow, the main thing is "here vs -ticker" | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Immune system cells from COVID-19 patients display compromised mitochondrial-nuclear expression co-regulation and rewiring toward glycolysis → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rvb2xb/immune_system_cells_from_covid19_patients_display/ | 21:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Data for O is consistently about half that of Delta. This requires confirmation but is promising.ED visit: 4.55% vs. 15.22% (RR: 0.30); hospitalization: 1.75% vs. 3.95% (RR: 0.44); ICU admission: 0.26% vs. 0.78% (RR: 0.33); mechanical ventilation: 0.07% vs. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1478104553518157831 | 21:54 |
| valek | %cases Greece | 22:06 |
| oerheks | 36,246 new cases and 80 new deaths in Greece | 22:08 |
| LjL | %cases greece | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Greece has had 1.2 million confirmed cases (11.6% of all people) and 20849 deaths (1.7% of cases; 1 in 514 people) as of an hour ago. 47.8 million tests were done (2.6% positive). 7.5 million were vaccinated (69.6%). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Greece&legacy=no | 22:08 |
| LjL | bot was being restarted (because it's not posting case udpates), sorry | 22:08 |
| oerheks | 14,536 new cases and 14 new deaths in the Netherlands | 22:09 |
| oerheks | but this all is about numbers of tests.. | 22:09 |
| LjL | yeah | 22:09 |
| oerheks | NL dioes 350.000 tests PER WEEK | 22:10 |
| LjL | italy has had about +60k for two days in a row, but it's going to be more like +160k in reality when we go back to normal testing | 22:10 |
| lastshell | i saw this post in hn https://www.jabref.org/ | 22:10 |
| Tuvix | Yea, raw case counts are perhaps only useful in the sense that they're spiking to record highs everywhere, often bounded by how many tests there are available and how easily people can get to them who want to. | 22:10 |
| oerheks | testing is of no use, unless everyone is tested once | 22:10 |
| lastshell | i guess some folks over here will loke it | 22:10 |
| Tuvix | Nonsense, we use represntation all over the place. | 22:10 |
| Bridgestorm | ❗ 地震 警報 / EARTHQUAKE WARNING for Bonin Islands, Japan Region (just felt near Ogasawara?) — Follow for updates (Twitter) | 22:11 |
| Bridgestorm | ❗ ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 7.7 M tremor, registered by yurekuru, occurred 2 minutes ago (21:08:42 UTC), during twilight, Ogasawara, Japan (27.1, 141.0), ↓10 km likely felt 650 km away with maximum intensity Shindo 5+ → https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1478111242963533824 https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1478111224961593344 — Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1520719027 (Twitter) | 22:11 |
| Tuvix | How do you think political exit polling works during election day? You don't honestly think they test _every_ voter for a response, do you? Yet a well-run exit poll can be very accurate, within a reasonable margin of error depending on methods used, to the actual results. | 22:11 |
| Tuvix | Do you not see that such application can work for COVID too? Now, the real trick is getting a reasonable cross-section of society, including various geographic, socio-economic groups, and so on. | 22:12 |
| Tuvix | But no, you don't need to test "everyone." | 22:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Executive dysfunction following SARS-CoV-2 infection: A cross-sectional examination in a population-representative sample → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rvbqji/executive_dysfunction_following_sarscov2/ | 22:13 |
| LjL | uh, interesting, Bridgestorm did *not* send notices... | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/75/ | 22:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AnGes: AG0301-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/3/ | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Aivita Biomedical Inc: AV-COVID-19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/74/ | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: FDA authorizes Pfizer booster dose for 12 to 17 year-olds: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jan 03, 2022 In other COVID developments, federal officials cleared two more rapid tests for emergency use as the weekly case average soared higher. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/fda-authorizes-pfizer-booster-dose-12-17-year-olds-0 | 23:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): In case, anyone came across tweets by @DrEricDing or other 'variant fear mongers' who possibly disappointed by Omicron, are announcing the new variant from hell (B.1.640.2), please relax for now ...1/ → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1478127904596897792 | 23:28 |
| LjL | oh lord | 23:30 |
| LjL | these people are so passive-aggressive toward each other | 23:30 |
| user31 | who is francois? | 23:32 |
| LjL | someone i had removed from the tweet rooster before because he's too histrionic | 23:32 |
| LjL | but apparently someone else retweeted him | 23:32 |
| LjL | and i don't even get to know who because my RSS thing is stupid | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NYC: "We Are Going To Keep Our Schools Open," Adams Promises As COVID Cases Shatter Records → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rvdp9a/nyc_we_are_going_to_keep_our_schools_open_adams/ | 23:38 |
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