| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +190955 cases, +423 deaths since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +70765 cases since 23 hours ago — Lebanon: +6665 cases, +13 deaths since 23 hours ago — Ethiopia: +2460 cases, +24 deaths, +12827 tests (19.2% positive) since a day ago | 00:00 |
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| de-facto | yet inhalation of drugs still probably is a good idea, because it would cover the same surfaces as the virus would use for its entry | 00:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Quebec to impose health tax on unvaccinated Canadians → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1pwt6/quebec_to_impose_health_tax_on_unvaccinated/ | 00:00 |
| de-facto | so not flooding the whole body with it (minimizing side effects) but exposing only the surfaces where the virus enters (maximizing concentration overlap) makes a lot of sense | 00:02 |
| de-facto | so some device making it airborne (without destroying the molecule) would be required | 00:03 |
| rpifan | inhaling white powders? | 00:03 |
| de-facto | question is if the molecule is stable enough or would need some transport vehicle delivering it to the target area | 00:03 |
| de-facto | possibly also could be stabilized as a pro-drug that is metabolized to the impactor molecule once it reached target area | 00:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | intra-nasal vaccine paper was discussing this, how it's ideal for a vaccine to be intra-nasal | 00:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | especially in covid's case, as it's entry point is mainly nasal | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: What COVID-19 Vaccination Has Accomplished in Its First Year and What’s to Come → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1pzps/what_covid19_vaccination_has_accomplished_in_its/ | 00:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fauci accuses Senator Paul of fueling threats against him in the latest exchange. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1qbcz/fauci_accuses_senator_paul_of_fueling_threats/ | 00:20 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/OeVHwNC https://i.imgur.com/Rsn3QUk.jpeg src: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jnatprod.1c00946 | 00:24 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID: CBDA and CBGA vs SARS-CoV-2 - Album on Imgur | 00:24 |
| de-facto | looking at that graph it seems efficacy is quite close to cytotoxic effect, hmm | 00:25 |
| sdfgsdfg | so thats bad ? | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: An 84-year-old man in India gets COVID vaccine 12 times, claiming it cures joint pain | National Post → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1qrfz/an_84yearold_man_in_india_gets_covid_vaccine_12/ | 00:39 |
| de-facto | if poisoning cells (cyto-toxic) is bad for concentrations that seem to become effective at blocking the virus, yeah | 00:47 |
| `St0ner | why are all the links from reddit? some kind of karma farming operation here? | 00:51 |
| gry | for you to read the comments | 00:51 |
| `St0ner | i tend to ignore all comments, redditors arent any smarter than the average joe. by definition, they are the average joe | 00:54 |
| Raf[m] | Sometimes the top comments have insightful content or additional references and related material | 01:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +134439 cases, +52 deaths, +201585 tests (66.7% positive) since a day ago — Bulgaria: +7062 cases, +89 deaths since 22 hours ago — Tunisia: +4865 cases, +37 deaths since 22 hours ago — Jamaica: +1714 cases, +1 deaths, +3810 tests (45.0% positive) since a day ago | 01:02 |
| ublx | or sometimes an early comment convincingly lets you know that the study being linked is not worth pursuing further | 01:04 |
| ublx | but in general, isn't it just because a large and varied collection of studies/articles is focused through these subreddits and that brainstorm tries to pull out the most substantially interesting? | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid infections jump 160% in Polish New Year’s Eve party town → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1rdcs/covid_infections_jump_160_in_polish_new_years_eve/ | 01:07 |
| LjL | `St0ner: why are all the links from reddit? some kind of karma farming operation here? <- damn, he's spotted me | 01:10 |
| LjL | Now I will have to make new accounts | 01:10 |
| LjL | It's a ton, because you see, all the posts from the bot since 2020 have come from like hundreds of accounts | 01:10 |
| LjL | It will take some work to make them again | 01:10 |
| LjL | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: An 84-year-old man in India gets COVID vaccine 12 times, claiming it cures joint pain | National Post → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1qrfz/an_84yearold_man_in_india_gets_covid_vaccine_12/ | 01:20 |
| LjL | "Countries have offered a fourth booster dose of the vaccine to some groups and Turkey rolled out a fifth. Taking twelve jabs, on the other hand, is new and is not advised by any health unit." | 01:21 |
| LjL | What did Turkey do now?! | 01:21 |
| LjL | "Individuals who received two doses of the Chinese Sinovac and two doses of the BioNTech vaccine at least three months ago will be able to get an appointment for the fifth dose. | 01:24 |
| LjL | They will be able to receive the Sinovac, BioNTech or the domestically-made Turkovac vaccines as a booster." | 01:24 |
| oerheks | they just change phonenumber.. | 01:24 |
| LjL | This is honestly getting atadcrazyalsomyphonedoesntletmetypespacesanymore | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron may be headed for a rapid drop in US and Britain → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1rx06/omicron_may_be_headed_for_a_rapid_drop_in_us_and/ | 01:26 |
| dTal | ask your doctor if atadcrazyalsomyphonedoesntletmetypespacesanymore is right for you | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Disabled Americans Feel Abandoned by CDC. Now, CDC Is Desperate to Make Amends → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1s0wp/disabled_americans_feel_abandoned_by_cdc_now_cdc/ | 01:36 |
| gry | i wonder whether there is any point in getting a booster 3months after second dose, rather than 4months after, for emergency workers | 01:43 |
| gry | i.e. what effect that has on the risk of hospitalization, longevity of the immunity, etc | 01:44 |
| oerheks | real data is available in 1 year? | 01:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Europe Slowly Starts to Consider Treating Covid Like the Flu → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1s51t/europe_slowly_starts_to_consider_treating_covid/ | 01:45 |
| de-facto | yeah lets cultivate and breed new variants, that way it will stay | 01:46 |
| rpifan | i guess it will end soon | 01:48 |
| `St0ner | delta-cron and flu-rona coming to a grocery store near you | 01:48 |
| de-facto | i guess it wont end | 01:49 |
| `St0ner | whats the incubation period for omicron before symptoms show? | 01:49 |
| de-facto | 3 days | 01:49 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.50.2101147 | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.eurosurveillance.org: Eurosurveillance | Outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in Norway, November to December 2021 | 01:49 |
| rpifan | flu-rona? | 01:50 |
| rpifan | whats that | 01:50 |
| de-facto | well there is a normal distribution around that of course | 01:50 |
| `St0ner | 3 days eh? guess i got something from the grocery store. so much for 3M N95 masks and hand sanitizing | 01:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: D.C. To Distribute Rapid COVID-19 Tests To Pre-K Students Every Week → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1sb2t/dc_to_distribute_rapid_covid19_tests_to_prek/ | 01:55 |
| LjL | gry: after three months, immunity does wane to a considerable extent, from the data I remember seeing | 02:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): All rational people are now vaccinated.Omicron means the rational majority can ignore the anti-vaccine death cult because their vaccination would no longer give us much protection.So when do we decide we no longer need any protection other than [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1481065495785009153 | 02:04 |
| LjL | Meaning between 3 and 6 months... the 4th month could arguably not be a huge deal, but it's probably in the bad part of the S curve | 02:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +103570 cases, +45 deaths since 23 hours ago — Reunion: +16256 cases, +16 deaths since 6 days ago — Norway: +9622 cases since 23 hours ago — Uruguay: +7178 cases, +3 deaths, +24019 tests (29.9% positive) since 23 hours ago | 02:05 |
| LjL | I don't know how Steve Miller's risk perception works, but for me, a 5-fold hospitalization reduction is not enough to go from "we're all doomed" to "oh, it's perfectly fine now, whew" | 02:08 |
| LjL | 20-fold, as the original protection *against symptomatic infection* was supposed to be (presumably even more against hospitalization and death) would be a different story | 02:09 |
| dTal | and I'm afraid that no we cannot safely "ignore the anti-vaccine death cult" | 02:11 |
| dTal | among many reasons, because they're the ones filling our ICU wards | 02:12 |
| gry | LjL so it's better to get it 3 months after, not 4 | 02:13 |
| LjL | gry: I would personally prefer to get it after 3 based on what I gathered, if I were at any considerable risk | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hundreds of Calgary teacher vacancies reported first day back | 17,577 new cases since Friday → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1st41/hundreds_of_calgary_teacher_vacancies_reported/ | 02:14 |
| LjL | dTal: well maybe by "ignore" he means "ban", words sometimes have strange meanings these days | 02:14 |
| gry | LjL: does "being in sydney" automatically bring me at considerable risk? everyone is sick here from what i gather | 02:14 |
| dTal | ban... from hospitals? | 02:14 |
| LjL | dTal: I was thinking bad the cult from proselytizing and/or mandating vaccines, but there's certainly people advocating for no healthcare for the unvaccinated | 02:15 |
| de-facto | if relative risk rate doubles each 60 days it would mean VE[3m] = 1 - RRR ~ 1 - RRR[0] * 2^(3/2) ~ 1 - RRR[0] * 2.83 meaning attack rate is 2.83-fold after 3 months with mRNA vaccines | 02:16 |
| LjL | gry: I had healthcare workers in mind when I said that. I think that it's not unlikely at this point that unless you're bunkered home, you will get it even with a booster no matter how many months after | 02:16 |
| de-facto | (data estimated from the veteran study about breakthrough infections) | 02:16 |
| LjL | But I'm sure it's clearer and more specific the way de-facto said it :p | 02:16 |
| dTal | I don't think we can ethically deny medical care to the unvaccinated | 02:17 |
| LjL | dTal: let's just do it unethically then! | 02:17 |
| LjL | I kid, I don't think we should | 02:17 |
| LjL | But for sure we're indirectly denying it to others who need it | 02:17 |
| LjL | So I am in favor of vaccine mandates at this point | 02:18 |
| LjL | I find the green pass a bit ridiculous though | 02:18 |
| dTal | it's not clear to me that a vaccine mandate is more ethical than denying care | 02:18 |
| dTal | what does "mandate" mean, what's the penalty for not showing up? financial? | 02:19 |
| LjL | Yes, ideally not just one-off | 02:19 |
| LjL | Get fined every month until you change your mind, or as Quebec somewhat eloquently put it, pay a recurring healthcare tax that goes fund the additional hospital beds required by your being unvaccinatef | 02:20 |
| LjL | I don't see the big issue with mandates unless you're american and have american sort of ideas, which I sometimes respect but don't often share... meaning, I was vaccinated without having a choice against all sort of things when I was a child, and the only tenable difference here is "but these are less tested, the authorization is only EUA" which becomes less and less practically true, if still legally true, as time goes by | 02:21 |
| de-facto | how about sending those that did not vaccinate the bill for hospitalization? | 02:22 |
| ublx | modelling artefact to explain negative vaccine effectiveness in figure on last page of: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3.full anyone? | 02:22 |
| LjL | ublx, another? :\ there was already a hint of negative effectiveness for AZ before, now for the other two? | 02:24 |
| dTal | LjL: what I mean is that unless you're willing to have two strong people hold down the unwilling while a third administers the jab, there's no functional difference between a "mandate" and a "penalty" | 02:24 |
| LjL | dTal, well, yes | 02:25 |
| dTal | the penalty could be denied medical care, or it could be a financial charge, or it could be revocation of certain social privileges | 02:25 |
| LjL | i do not advocate for holding them down | 02:25 |
| LjL | but fine them to death | 02:25 |
| LjL | except | 02:25 |
| LjL | not if ublx's graph holds true in reality ;( | 02:25 |
| ublx | LjL: i don't believe it's real but i haven't delved into denmark data; i'm just assuming artefact at this point | 02:25 |
| LjL | and as i said, it's the second of the kind that i see | 02:25 |
| LjL | ublx, did you see the previous one about AZ? | 02:26 |
| ublx | nope | 02:26 |
| LjL | let me dig... | 02:26 |
| de-facto | swedish study? | 02:27 |
| de-facto | what i wonder about is how the daily exposure rates between control and vaccinated groups vary, e.g. vaccinated are less careful about distancing i assume | 02:28 |
| gry | LjL, de-facto, how do i interpret that? i am interested in having reasonably strong immunity to miniize severity in case i get infected. attack rate i dont fully know what it means | 02:28 |
| gry | all other factors distancing etc being the same | 02:29 |
| ublx | de-facto: seems plausible, and as VE wanes over months, this could translate into apparent negative effectiveness | 02:29 |
| de-facto | they even write that | 02:30 |
| de-facto | "The negative estimates in the final period arguably suggest different behaviour and/or exposure patterns in the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts causing underestimation of the VE. This was likely the result of Omicron spreading rapidly initially through single (super-spreading) events causing many infections among young, vaccinated individuals" | 02:30 |
| ublx | however young people are less fully vaccinated than old in denmark | 02:31 |
| LjL | ublx, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1042367/technical_briefing-31-10-december-2021.pdf figure 7 page 22 | 02:31 |
| de-facto | gry, attack rate means events (of certain kind, such as symptomatic infection) per group (cohort) in a given unit time | 02:31 |
| LjL | de-facto, no not swedish | 02:31 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes they say similar things below Figure 7 in the UK report | 02:32 |
| LjL | but i don't think "they even write it" is a good enough reason to discount it, personally :P | 02:32 |
| de-facto | example: 100 (symptomatic) infections per 100k people (of a certain kind, eg. vaccinated or non-vaccinated etc) per day | 02:32 |
| LjL | especially if more than one study/report starts coming out with that | 02:32 |
| dTal | is there any plausible biological mechanism for vaccination to *increase* case rate | 02:32 |
| LjL | of course nobody will want to actually put out a paper/report saying "vaccines are bad", so they will put all sorts of caveats in. the caveats may really apply, or not, but i would just discount their presence as unsurprising | 02:32 |
| LjL | dTal, original antigenic sin? | 02:33 |
| LjL | since it's about Omicron | 02:33 |
| de-facto | so if you want to compare the number of infections between groups of vaccinated and non-vaccinated you have to count the infections and divide by the number of possible infections in that group (number of members) per unit time | 02:33 |
| LjL | Delta doesn't have this effect | 02:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid loses 90% of ability to infect within minutes in air – study says. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1tbs1/covid_loses_90_of_ability_to_infect_within/ | 02:33 |
| LjL | which also makes me doubt any "behavioral" differences | 02:33 |
| LjL | we need multivalent vaccines, for god's sake | 02:34 |
| LjL | not ten doses of this | 02:34 |
| de-facto | e.g. ARV = breakthrough / vaccinated, ARU = infections / unvaccinated, RRR = ARV / ARU gives the relative risk compared to unvaccinated, vaccine efficacy VE = 1 - RRR = 1 - ARV / ARU | 02:34 |
| de-facto | gry, ^^ | 02:34 |
| de-facto | LjL, not original antigenic sin, it would have come to our attention if disease severity would be *worse* for vaccinated | 02:35 |
| LjL | de-facto, does original antigenic sin only affect severity, and not susceptibility to infection? | 02:36 |
| dTal | worth noting that they're not neccesarily distinguishable from the data - mild cases go unreported | 02:38 |
| de-facto | i think so, because the susceptibility to infections is prevented by circulation of antibodies, and if they wont fit, why would infection be faster than for non-vaccinated (without any antibodies) | 02:38 |
| de-facto | with dengue original antigenic sin allows that dengue virus to infect immune cells iirc | 02:38 |
| de-facto | as far as i know we have not seen anything like that with SARS-CoV-2 | 02:39 |
| LjL | isn't that ADE? | 02:39 |
| LjL | i thought original antigenic sin was "just" that your body wouldn't make antibodies to quite the right thing | 02:39 |
| de-facto | yes i was talking about ADE | 02:40 |
| de-facto | original antigenic sin would mean inability to "update" the immune signature, yet vaccines with other s-protein signatures showed increased binding to those variants | 02:41 |
| de-facto | so also that is not the case | 02:41 |
| LjL | hm? | 02:42 |
| de-facto | its just that antibodies raised against provocation with Wuhan-Hu-1 dont fit so well on Omicron | 02:42 |
| de-facto | if we had an Omicron S-signature in the vaccine it would work much better probably | 02:42 |
| LjL | well that's for sure | 02:42 |
| de-facto | we will see soon, as its what they currently studying | 02:42 |
| LjL | but there is a stark difference between "not working as well as with Wuhan-Hu-1" and "working worse than nothing", so i would like this thought out of the picture | 02:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: While the Omicron variant may be seen as less severe, the true toll of the surge is being felt by healthcare workers already taxed to the brink. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1tg49/while_the_omicron_variant_may_be_seen_as_less/ | 02:43 |
| LjL | but i don't understand what you mean by "yet vaccines with other s-protein signatures showed increased binding to those variants" | 02:43 |
| LjL | if you mean that variant-specific vaccines work better with those variants, well, duh | 02:43 |
| de-facto | yeah | 02:43 |
| LjL | but i'm certainly concerned by even the slightest hint of the current vaccine being *worse than nothing* against Omicron | 02:43 |
| LjL | i don't think it's a good idea to just automatically dismiss it as a modelling quirk unless it's shown to be | 02:44 |
| LjL | but instead i see tweets like this | 02:44 |
| LjL | %title https://twitter.com/jbakcoleman/status/1480802593584533505 | 02:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: Joe Bak-Coleman (@jbakcoleman): "Negative efficacy: if I told you that avocados roll uphill instead of down based on a model of fruit distribution beneath a hillside orchard, you'd probably think my [...] | 02:44 |
| LjL | %more | 02:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] vaccination? pic.twitter.com/wHk7GFm27x → https://paste.ee/p/zPOfA | 02:44 |
| LjL | ... my model is wrong | 02:44 |
| de-facto | i am pretty sure its the behavior of people, going for "natural updates" by not isolating as well as those that are not so sure if they would end hospitalized (those without vaccine protection) | 02:44 |
| LjL | i probably would, but i would also investigate, especially if avocadoes-rolling-on-hills were somehow related to human survival | 02:45 |
| LjL | de-facto, my question in that case is why doesn't the effect appear with Delta? | 02:45 |
| de-facto | it may appear later with delta | 02:45 |
| de-facto | because the antibodies fit better on delta surface | 02:46 |
| ublx | LjL: because VE wanes faster wrt omicron | 02:46 |
| de-facto | assuming we have different behavior in cohorts vaccinated compared to unvaccinated wrt efforts to distance | 02:47 |
| LjL | well, that could be, i guess | 02:47 |
| LjL | but with the numbers in that Pfizer/BNT graph, i would say in that case our messaging to vaccinated people is *completely* wrong | 02:47 |
| de-facto | at first VE will protect vaccinated so well that they got lower attack rates, despite their higher contamination rate | 02:47 |
| LjL | 'cause whether it's the vaccine itself or people's behavior, they are at more risk of catching it than the unvaccinated, and that's not good by any means | 02:48 |
| de-facto | but at some point VE contrated enough that attack rates became equal | 02:48 |
| de-facto | and that point in time depends on how fast VE wanes off, and that depends on how well antibodies fit on the surface of the variant in question | 02:48 |
| de-facto | hence if waning for Delta is slower than for Omicron it means that the point where VE wanes enough to not be able to compensate the higher contamination rates anymore appears earlier with Omicron than with Delta | 02:49 |
| dTal | could this be a demographic thing | 02:51 |
| LjL | dTal, yes | 02:51 |
| LjL | young people caught Omicron, and it was often in superspreader events at first, which is what one of those studies says | 02:52 |
| LjL | that rings true | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron may be headed for a rapid drop in US and Britain → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1tpu9/omicron_may_be_headed_for_a_rapid_drop_in_us_and/ | 02:52 |
| dTal | I would be very wary of rushing to any conclusions about the vaccines from this data | 02:53 |
| LjL | i would also be very wary of dismissing this data as invalid without, like, triple checking | 02:53 |
| dTal | original antigenic sin notwithstanding, my prior probability for vaccines increasing susceptibility to *any* variant is extremely low | 02:54 |
| de-facto | are non-vaccinated in Denmark allowed to participate in gatherings and clubs? | 02:54 |
| de-facto | i think overdispersion for Omicron may even more pronounced than with Delta, hence even a bigger part of Omicron cases may originate from cluster spreads compared to Delta | 02:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Health experts on 'COVID shame': Do not feel bad for getting sick → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1ttj2/health_experts_on_covid_shame_do_not_feel_bad_for/ | 03:02 |
| de-facto | lol whut? | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Curacao: +689 cases, +3 deaths, +3125 tests (22.0% positive) since a day ago — Barbados: +567 cases, +2488 tests (22.8% positive) since a day ago — Fr. Polynesia: +179 cases since 5 days ago — Guinea-Bissau: +81 cases, +506 tests (16.0% positive) since 23 hours ago | 03:07 |
| de-facto | those psychologists, logic is not their strong side | 03:08 |
| de-facto | if one gets infected of course its the own fault, as preventing it failed. | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 was the leading cause of death among police officers in 2021, report says → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1u4ak/covid19_was_the_leading_cause_of_death_among/ | 03:12 |
| LjL | de-facto, well if the psychologists have to say that, i guess it's because some people *do* think it's their fault, or at least the psychologists seem to observe that...? | 03:16 |
| de-facto | if measures aim for preventing infection and infection still takes place it means those measures failed | 03:18 |
| LjL | not really | 03:19 |
| LjL | it says there "Health leaders said it's important to remember precautions minimize risk, but they don't eliminate them." | 03:19 |
| LjL | and that's the clear aim of the measures we're taking in the west | 03:20 |
| LjL | you could say what you've said if this were China | 03:20 |
| LjL | but it's just not true here | 03:20 |
| de-facto | id say measures are not sufficient here then | 03:20 |
| LjL | you may disagree with using measures that aren't aimed to prevent infection *entirely*, but, that's clearly the aim here | 03:20 |
| LjL | (i.e. to reduce, not prevent entirely) | 03:21 |
| LjL | anyway it has nothing to do with the smartness of psychologists | 03:21 |
| de-facto | yeah and that is a mistake | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Health officials urge St. Louis-area residents to stay home as COVID-19 hospitalizations continue to break records → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1uclx/health_officials_urge_st_louisarea_residents_to/ | 03:22 |
| de-facto | both measures from those that are shedding but are not isolating as well as measures from those that did not distance enough from other people failed to prevent transmission if infection takes place | 03:23 |
| de-facto | so whom else to blaim but them for failing to prevent that transmission? | 03:23 |
| Tuvix | I think back to some of the micro-level personal decisions I've seen people make; one at that sports club got vaccinted originally so he wouldn't have to wear masks, but effectively also refused to change behavior when it became clear that vaccination alone wasn't offering as high protection. | 03:25 |
| Tuvix | It wasn't that he didn't know things like masks would help, but he either didn't consider the risk worth worrying about, or just didn't care ("covid fatigue" and similar.) Probably bits of both. | 03:26 |
| dTal | de-facto with all due respect some people have, you know, jobs. That they need, in order to pay for food and housing. | 03:30 |
| de-facto | me too | 03:31 |
| Tuvix | I think the issue is being unwilling to take risk mitigation, not a goal of avoiding the risk entierly. | 03:32 |
| de-facto | i have high risk contacts every day, if i get infected its my fault | 03:32 |
| Tuvix | LjL: Was it you that was musing some days back about spraying disinfectent? That's a targeted part of a plan in a Mass. US school system, apparently: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/01/12/covid-sniffing-dogs-tuchman-ac360-pkg-vpx.cnn | 03:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series: A Danish cohort study: Type Report Author Christian Holm Hansen Author Astrid Blicher Schelde Author Ida Rask Moustsen-Helm [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/YML43Y7A | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Fact Check- Danish study did not conclude that COVID-19 vaccines adversely impact immune systems or that COVID-19 vaccines are completely ineffective against the Omicron variant: Type Newspaper Article URL [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/QN58J6FS | 04:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +33626 cases, +162 deaths, +69053 tests (48.7% positive) since 22 hours ago — Thailand: +7681 cases, +22 deaths since 22 hours ago — South Korea: +4385 cases, +52 deaths since 22 hours ago — Panama: +4105 cases, +10 deaths, +16502 tests (24.9% positive) since a day ago | 04:04 |
| mambang[m] | %cases Malaysia | 04:08 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: Malaysia has had 2.8 million confirmed cases (8.5% of all people) and 31723 deaths (1.1% of cases; 1 in 1032 people) as of 9 hours ago. 42.4 million tests were done (6.6% positive). 26.0 million were vaccinated (79.5%). See https://covidnow.moh.gov.my/ | 04:08 |
| jacklsw | %cases philippines | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: Philippines has had 3.0 million confirmed cases (2.8% of all people) and 52511 deaths (1.7% of cases; 1 in 2065 people) as of 17 hours ago. 25.8 million tests were done (11.7% positive). 56.1 million were vaccinated (51.7%). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines&legacy=no | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Philippines, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Russia braces for 'very intense' rise in Omicron cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1vaw1/russia_braces_for_very_intense_rise_in_omicron/ | 04:10 |
| LjL | Tuvix, yeah i was wondering about it, but in particular with reference to China (and some other Asian countries, mainly) doing it on the streets and in malls | 04:11 |
| LjL | i'll check the video | 04:11 |
| Tuvix | The tl;dr is they use a COVID-sniffing dog and target local application of disinfectant where the dog marks a positive hit. | 04:12 |
| LjL | Tuvix, well do they make specific claims as to why they think fomite transmission is still quite relevant? because lately everyone seems to have moved to "it's just the air, who cares about fomites" | 04:13 |
| LjL | (in the west at least) | 04:13 |
| Tuvix | I haven't dug further into the science behind it, although some law enforcement groups are trying to get funding to make this program more widespread. It's unclear to me exactly how effective the dog would be at detecting this enough to make the results worth all the funding (training the dogs, cost for the handlers and cleaning staff, etc) and if there are more useful ways to get better ROI out of that | 04:18 |
| Tuvix | funding. | 04:18 |
| de-facto | tbh it looks a bit like actionism for media | 04:18 |
| Tuvix | I'm not really convinced this is going to change much, but it was an interesting approach that reminded of what other countries are doing in public places. | 04:18 |
| Tuvix | Right, without actual studies that show results in some kind of an A/B study, I remain skeptical of this doing much vs. say targeted messaging to parents and families of those yet unvaccinated for example. | 04:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: question about mail order rapid test during freezing weather → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1vhmv/question_about_mail_order_rapid_test_during/ | 04:19 |
| LjL | Tuvix, also what they're doing in China is much more indiscriminate, and if it's *possible* to just "disinfect everything", why not just do that, instead of doing it very targeted with dogs? although i suppose in schools there may be a concern of harmful chemicals sticking around for kids to lick | 04:24 |
| Tuvix | That, or the cost of doing it everywhere, and on what timeline, and how effective is it really. | 04:26 |
| Tuvix | Presumably they're doing this after-hours, so is that really doing much as soon as school is in session again the following day? | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: I think this is the first natural mitigation for COVID. Hats off to the natural acidic cannabinoids. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1vpzs/i_think_this_is_the_first_natural_mitigation_for/ | 04:29 |
| xx | plus disinfecting everything also gets rid of all sorts of other pathogens, not just rona | 04:42 |
| gry | hi | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: British politics: 12 times Boris Johnson’s Tories are accused of partying during lockdown → https://www.politico.eu/article/12-times-boris-johnsons-tories-party-during-lockdown/ | 04:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: rapport-omikronvarianten-07012022-27nk.pdf: Type Attachment URL https://files.ssi.dk/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-omikronvarianten-07012022-27nk Accessed 2022-01-12 04:06:48 Link Mode 1 MIME Type application/pdf → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/QCF48ZYM | 05:16 |
| finely[m] | <xx> "plus disinfecting everything..." <- For schools, its probably better to spend money on improving air quality. Improved ventilation, HEPA filters etc. And surface cleaning for classes of younger children (who are more likely to put something in their mouths). | 05:27 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1j8fv/who_warns_repeated_covid_boosters_not_a_viable/hs8y7xp/ | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Interim Statement on COVID-19 vaccines in the context of the circulation of the Omicron SARS-CoV-2 Variant from the WHO Technical Advisory Group on COVID-19 Vaccine Composition (TAG-CO-VAC): Type Web Page URL [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/BGHDMEVV | 05:35 |
| LjL | from the WHO: | 05:35 |
| LjL | > In line with this approach, there are many options to consider: | 05:35 |
| LjL | > * a monovalent vaccine that elicits an immune response against the predominant circulating variant(s), although this option faces the challenge of the rapid emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants and the time needed to develop a modified or new vaccine; | 05:35 |
| LjL | > * a multivalent vaccine containing antigens from different SARS-CoV-2 VOCs; | 05:35 |
| LjL | > * a pan SARS-CoV-2 vaccine: a more sustainable long-term option that would effectively be variant-proof. | 05:35 |
| LjL | this is just what i've been saying for... a pretty long time | 05:35 |
| LjL | it really doesn't take much, if even the WHO gets it | 05:36 |
| Tuvix | Provided we keep seeing this kind of continued mutation and re-infection, rapid responses are going to be crucial. Vaccinations yes, but also effective risk reduction measures that can be put in place and the relaxed after the worst of a surge. | 05:38 |
| ublx | what prevents an effective pan SARS-CoV-2 vaccine from forcing the emergence of SARS-CoV-2b though? | 05:39 |
| Tuvix | It seems unlikely we're going to have a near-term breakthrough that significantly changes the current breakthrough infection possibility, so unless we can control surges when they come up, we're going to continue stressing healthcare which is bad for everyone. | 05:39 |
| LjL | Tuvix, i don't want to live the rest of my life with the never-ending threat of a sudden lockdown though. i do realize saying "i don't want to" doesn't make my wishes true, but i'm really hoping a pan-sarbecovirus vaccine or something can solidly solve this at some point | 05:39 |
| LjL | if i lose this hope, i may as well overdose on something | 05:39 |
| LjL | ublx, nothing much, except the fact that if an epitope has been conserved in all the sarbecoviruses, it's probably an epitope that's a problem for the virus if it changes. but at the same time, yes, it may change, hence we also need multivalent vaccines | 05:40 |
| Tuvix | Well, all staff/guests in an indoor setting wearing even KN95 masks might mean we don't need lockdowns in the first place. The trouble is that's hard-to-impossible for some people to accept. I'm not saying lockdowns are the answer; they're not, and effectively a last-resort when all else has already failed and gone wrong. | 05:41 |
| LjL | just as you should never use a monoclonal antibody on its own, but always in a cocktail, to make the chances of escape essentially zero | 05:41 |
| LjL | Tuvix, it will be hard to impossible to accept for my mother to wear masks for a prolonged period of time indoors for the rest of her life... by which i mean, she can do it, but she will have to severely limit her activities for the rest of her life | 05:42 |
| LjL | and i don't find that great | 05:42 |
| LjL | and i was also literally dripping condensed water from my mask after wearing it for two hours at the vaccination center | 05:42 |
| LjL | that was embarrassing, and also the only time i wore an Aura for two hours straight | 05:42 |
| LjL | i think it wouldn't have happened with something less well-fitting than an Aura, but it also would have barely protected me | 05:42 |
| Tuvix | Hmm, my state changed the color of the "very high" and "criticaly high" county case activity so they're both red. I wonder if having the "very high" kind of a purpleish-blue wasn't a big enough warning sign to people. | 05:43 |
| LjL | we'll likely be moving to "orange alert" in Lombardy by the next iteration of their weekly checks | 05:43 |
| LjL | which means you can't leave your municipality without a green pass, and some other stuff blah blah green pass | 05:43 |
| LjL | there's nothing you *can't do* and nothing that *closes down* anymore pretty much | 05:44 |
| LjL | it's just about how many things require vaccination (or in the case of freedom of movement, at least a negative test) | 05:44 |
| LjL | but, let only the vaccinated do stuff, and new variants will only breed in the vaccinated | 05:44 |
| LjL | i don't see any easy or even moderately hard solution at this point ;( we've let it get too far | 05:45 |
| ublx | how much does omicron blur the lines between SARS-CoV-2 and *some other coronavirus* ? | 05:45 |
| LjL | difficult question | 05:45 |
| LjL | i won't answer it without more data, especially data that are free of spurious Delta influence | 05:46 |
| LjL | but so far, the US still has more people hospitalized than it ever had before | 05:46 |
| LjL | Italy doesn't, but it's not great either | 05:46 |
| LjL | the UK is not doing great | 05:46 |
| LjL | i'd say this is not stuff we see with random "cold" coronaviruses | 05:46 |
| Tuvix | Not even seasonal flu, in terms of the overall impact to critically-sick and death totals. | 05:47 |
| ublx | no i didn't mean.. i just meant between.. how far does it go before we have to stop calling it SARS2 | 05:48 |
| Tuvix | Omicron is certainly a change, but still partially identified by prior vaccine-induced antibodies. Just less so: https://archive.fo/WBqyE | 05:48 |
| LjL | oh, i have no idea | 05:48 |
| LjL | %invoke taxonomist | 05:48 |
| LjL | Tuvix, do you have any thoughts about the Danish preprint and the UK report linked earlier that appear to show a likely spurious negative efficacy of vaccines with Omicron and without a booster? | 05:49 |
| ublx | and what do we know about it's potential mutation space/viability | 05:50 |
| ublx | and the idea that it can be definitely dead-ended by design by a pan vaccine | 05:50 |
| LjL | ublx, i would be tempted to say "it has to stop targeting ACE2" but actually SARS-COV-1 also targets that | 05:50 |
| ublx | sounds fantastical | 05:50 |
| ublx | *its | 05:50 |
| LjL | ublx, there is no "definitely" in biology, but i'd be hapy if it were dead-ended for the rest of my life :P | 05:50 |
| Tuvix | I haven't read the preprint, and only skimmed some of the chat here about it. My overall understanding though is that an initial dosing without the booster is far less effective than with the booster, and suspect social attitudes are a significant factor. | 05:51 |
| Tuvix | I for one (using a biased n=1 case-study here) did go out, carefully, to in-person dining and bars a little bit during the pre-delta time here when there was a notable reduction in severe outcomes. | 05:51 |
| Tuvix | I stopped all of that around August when it became clear Delta had changed the rules of the game again. | 05:52 |
| LjL | Tuvix, wouldn't it be a problem, though, if it turned out that people's attitudes/behaviors once vaccinated actually make them *more* likely to get infected than the attitudes/behavior they'd have on average without a vaccination? | 05:52 |
| LjL | in the summer of 2020 it was dreamy here relatively speaking. we all wore masks, even to a ridiculous extent even outdoors (it was mandatory) | 05:53 |
| LjL | but the cases were so few | 05:53 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but not one about medical science or vaccines specifically. That's now a behavioral problem, and gets into the realm of messaging, PR, and politics to fix. | 05:53 |
| LjL | Tuvix, then good luck with that, based on the past! | 05:53 |
| Tuvix | The feeling I get talking to people who are less careful than I think they should be (and I'm not saying everyone should be as careful as I am either necessarily,) is that they're "done" with COVID. They feel that whatever they've done so far, vaccination (2 or 3, whatever they've been willing to do) and masks, and they just can't keep doing it. | 05:54 |
| LjL | but i think it'd be kind about the vaccines themselves, too, if they're just so not-very-good that their efficacy get outweighed by people's attitudes after getting them. i hope boosters rectify the situation but we can't boost every three months forever (or can we? i hope we don't have to) | 05:55 |
| LjL | Tuvix, i don't feel it in me to blame them a whole lot, honestly | 05:55 |
| LjL | a lot of the messaging in 2020 and part of 2021 was that this would end, that we were close to ending it, that the vaccines would "change the game" | 05:55 |
| LjL | they might have changed the game, but we're still playing | 05:56 |
| Tuvix | Realistically? I think even 6-month boosting isn't realistic if we need some substantial portion of the population protected to avoid a serious surge like delta or omicron (ie: it's next variation.) Even boosters aren't getting as much uptake as you'd figure they might with the early news of outocmes on Omicron | 05:56 |
| LjL | Tuvix, even "every year, like the flu" (which was being stated since 2020 really, so i don't know why some people are surprised that periodical boosters would be needed) isn't trivial, because with the flu, most people *don't* get vaccinated | 05:57 |
| Tuvix | Oh yea, the messaging has been really bad too, no doubt. Mask guidance still is in part based on how much case-spread your locality (by county here in the US) has. So, in theory, you're supposed to wake up each day and check the case spread level to decide how to act. | 05:57 |
| LjL | well, the news never forgets to remind me of how many cases and deaths there are every single day :P | 05:58 |
| LjL | (although most of the time i skip the news, but Brainstorm still tells me, at least when he's in the mood) | 05:58 |
| Tuvix | Yea, exactly. I've been hit-or-miss with my flu vaccinations myself, as a 30-something healthy individual without personal risk or notable risk to those around me. The pandemic has helped change my attitudes a bit there, but I didn't give it much thought in years past if I didn't get one. | 05:58 |
| LjL | i've never had a flu vaccine, honestly, here it's only really encouraged/recommended for people over 65 or so, and even among those, many don't get it | 05:59 |
| Tuvix | It's more recommended for the older age-gorups here, but it's usually free (or very-cheap) with almost any insurance in the US. | 05:59 |
| gry | LjL: is there a way to get a 'how many people have a proper immunity in sydney' rather than this blanket '95% of people are vaccinated with two doses [even if it means they had their astrazeneca half a year or more ago]" | 05:59 |
| gry | as this 95% is pretty meaningless, if it's blanket like that | 06:00 |
| LjL | here it's not free with public healthcare unless you're older than 65, but it's not very expensive | 06:00 |
| LjL | gry, no | 06:00 |
| Tuvix | Sure, though any cost is a barrier if people were already right on the fence about it. | 06:00 |
| LjL | gry, how do you define "proper immunity"? as "can't get it"? | 06:00 |
| Tuvix | Even €5 is enough to make some 2nd guess their choice. | 06:01 |
| Tuvix | This was the first year I got my flu vaccination in… I think at least 4. | 06:01 |
| gry | LjL: something that, say, guarantees, on average, an at least N-fold decrease of either severity or of risk of hospitalization | 06:01 |
| LjL | Tuvix, right now for me it's more like "how bad is the risk of getting COVID by spending some time inside the pharmacy compared to the risk of getting the flu?" :P also having never had it, i'm not thrilled about any adverse reactions. my plan was to keep an eye on how flu was doing this year, but this country really isn't very competent at monitoring that. | 06:01 |
| LjL | gry, well then i'd look at the amount of people boosted. however, that tells you nothing about *your* risk of catching it *from them*, it that's your concern | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +11213 cases, +57 deaths since a day ago — Kazakhstan: +4889 cases since 3 hours ago — Pakistan: +2074 cases, +13 deaths, +44120 tests (4.7% positive) since a day ago — Mongolia: +1818 cases, +2 deaths since a day ago | 06:02 |
| Tuvix | Oddly I had almost zero impact at all from my flu-shot. A *very* mild sore arm (Pfizer booster was the same as my first 2, notably sore for maybe 2 days.) They used some kind of ultra-tiny needle for the flu, and I hardly even felt it. | 06:03 |
| LjL | gry, ideally, to get "population with n-fold reduction in hospitalization" (n being around 5), you'd look at how many people got their last shot no longer than 3-4 mmnths ago, but i don't know if that information is available | 06:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: S. Korea: Daily infections back above 4,000 in 6 days amid lingering omicron woes → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1xkmr/s_korea_daily_infections_back_above_4000_in_6/ | 06:04 |
| LjL | Tuvix, i barely left the covid ones too, at the time they injected them | 06:04 |
| Tuvix | Data on boosters is similarly hard to find here in the US, and the metric used for things like sorting deaths into vaccinated/non-vax categories is still "fully vaccinated", which only considers the primary series. | 06:04 |
| LjL | afterwards, my arm was sore, and that was it | 06:04 |
| LjL | if a flu shot wouldn't cause anything worse, i wouldn't have a problem taking it | 06:04 |
| gry | LjL: exactly, i am suspecting that this information is not available | 06:05 |
| LjL | but in the case of COVID, it was a no-brainer whether to take it. i obviously had to | 06:05 |
| Tuvix | I noticed all of my COVID needles, although the booster was the least-notable (I think the nurse was just better than the others.) The 2nd nurse practically gave it to me as if the injection was a super-soaker water-gun :P | 06:05 |
| gry | LjL: it's a glorious mess | 06:05 |
| LjL | Tuvix, yeah i wouldn't say i "didn't notice them", but but calling it pain would be an exaggeration | 06:05 |
| LjL | and i'm a notorious whiner | 06:05 |
| LjL | s/but but/but even/ | 06:06 |
| LjL | from what i've heard, it's going to be painful if you don't fully relax your arm | 06:06 |
| LjL | you just have to trust that everything will be fine for those 10 seconds, and relax | 06:07 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I'm pretty good at that; some dental work 15 or so years back mostly cured me of any worries about needles. | 06:07 |
| Tuvix | (and you'd much rather have your gums upset at the needle than the dental tools…) | 06:07 |
| LjL | lol, "bad" dental work is like 100x worse than the shot | 06:07 |
| LjL | have a root canal where the needle isn't quite enough to kill the pain... | 06:08 |
| Tuvix | Before that I had all 4 of my 3rd molars removed at once (1 was rather likely to be a problem later in life, so it really had to come out in my 20's.) I got put under for that, but the local pain was awful when the local finally wore off my mouth. | 06:08 |
| LjL | ouch | 06:08 |
| LjL | also, unlike in the US, it's extremely rare here to be "put under" for dental work | 06:08 |
| JanC | relaxing the muscle is important, but if they hit a nerve or a blood vessel that would also make it more painful/sore | 06:09 |
| LjL | i got 3 wisdom teeth removed, but i just didn't have the guts for the 4th | 06:09 |
| Tuvix | I got perscribed some good pain-meds for that, which is good. It was so bad that I don't think I could have slept the first night or 2 without something to dull the pain. | 06:09 |
| LjL | JanC, definitely not "blaming the victim" if it hurts, just saying what seems to help :) | 06:09 |
| Tuvix | By day 3 I cut my dose to half what I was allowed, and by day 5 it was good enough I just went to normal OTC meds. | 06:09 |
| JanC | I mean it's part skills & part luck sometimes | 06:09 |
| Tuvix | I'm not a fan of pain-killers, but in that case it's not like my sharp intense pain was going to help me. I knew why my gums hurt, and loosing sleep over it woulnd't have helped. | 06:10 |
| LjL | Tuvix, i should perhaps be ashamed to say that i put up with some horrendous dental pain in my youth simply because i was convinced it was "just" the receding gum caused by my bad case, and the dentist had scared me with an explanation of what a gum graft would entail. instead, it turned out to be a cavity that needed a root canal, but i only found out when one day i had so much pain i could barely even speak, and fumbled "help, need dentist" | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1xpvo/scientists_believed_covid_leaked_from_wuhan_lab/ | 06:13 |
| LjL | spoilers: it's not "scientists", it's basically one guy, at least in that claim | 06:15 |
| LjL | (though i'm in the camp that mostly believes it leaked from a lab) | 06:15 |
| Brainstormie | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Should Teen Boys Get Boosted? | Third shots for adolescent boys and young men were already a hard sell. Then came Omicron. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1y2bz/should_teen_boys_get_boosted_third_shots_for/ | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Military research database estimates Winnipeg case rate of 40 per cent → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1ya07/military_research_database_estimates_winnipeg/ | 06:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. FDA amends J&J vaccine fact sheet to include rare bleeding risk → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1yj05/us_fda_amends_jj_vaccine_fact_sheet_to_include/ | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): 10% of adults in San Francisco are not fully vaccinated.86% of patients in the ICU for covid in this SF hospital (6 of 7) are not vaccinated.86/10 not vaccinated in ICUover 14/90 vaccinated in ICU= 55 times higher ICU rate per capita for not [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1481142457379082241 | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mississippi, United States: +22221 cases, +36 deaths since 4 days ago — Stockholm, Sweden: +19147 cases, +11 deaths since 4 days ago — Germany: +85522 cases since 23 hours ago — Texas, United States: +55659 cases, +113 deaths since 23 hours ago | 07:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Novak Djokovic admits breaking isolation while Covid positive → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1yzzn/novak_djokovic_admits_breaking_isolation_while/ | 07:20 |
| gry | 22:16 < obvs> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-11/how-the-omicron-covid-19-outbreak-is-affecting-nsw/100749102 | 07:23 |
| gry | 22:17 < obvs> pretty incredible the ato are saying the economy is in a worse situation than we were in lockdown :) | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: Coronavirus oggi: Cina, le restrizioni anti Omicron frenano l’inflazione: Secondo l’Oms non bastano i booster: servono nuovi vaccini. Per l’Ema non è sostenibile vaccinare su larga scala sul lungo termine. L’esperto Usa Fauci [... want %more?] → https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/coronavirus-oggi-cina-restrizioni-anti-omicron-frenano-l-inflazione-AEkPHa7 | 07:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: OSU research shows hemp compounds prevent coronavirus from entering human cells - KTVZ → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1zmyb/osu_research_shows_hemp_compounds_prevent/ | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +12413 cases, +39 deaths since a day ago — Uzbekistan: +604 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago — El Salvador: +397 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago — Turks and Caicos: +388 cases since a day ago | 08:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): U.S. Insurers Must Cover 8 COVID At-Home Tests a Month: White House → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 triggers complement activation through interactions with heparan sulfate → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s205sp/sarscov2_triggers_complement_activation_through/ | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron wave prompts media to rethink which data to report → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s20e4r/omicron_wave_prompts_media_to_rethink_which_data/ | 08:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: OSU study: Compounds in hemp block COVID-19 from entering human cells → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s20ieu/osu_study_compounds_in_hemp_block_covid19_from/ | 08:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: More than half of Europeans will be infected by Omicron in next two months, WHO says → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s20qd9/more_than_half_of_europeans_will_be_infected_by/ | 09:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +5596 cases, +47 deaths, +58109 tests (9.6% positive) since a day ago — Taiwan: +96 cases, +43517 tests (0.2% positive) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +116477 cases since 21 hours ago | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Too soon to treat COVID-19 like flu as Omicron spreads - WHO | Reuters → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s212z7/too_soon_to_treat_covid19_like_flu_as_omicron/ | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Australia's rolling COVID-19 average among highest in the world - but this graph doesn't tell the full story → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2197v/australias_rolling_covid19_average_among_highest/ | 09:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | ^ that chart actually looks pretty good, our covid infection rate is #2 highest after france but hospitalizations are nowhere near as high, we goooodd | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Once a near COVID-free utopia, Australia sees omicron surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s21df5/once_a_near_covidfree_utopia_australia_sees/ | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico City, Mexico: +8257 cases, +10 deaths since 2 hours ago — Baja California, Mexico: +2131 cases, +15 deaths since 2 hours ago — Guanajuato, Mexico: +1839 cases, +21 deaths since 2 hours ago — Nuevo Leon, Mexico: +1620 cases, +11 deaths since 2 hours ago | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China's Tianjin orders re-testing of all 14 million residents after first round of testing found 97 cases of Omicron in the city. Residents are to remain where they are until results are received. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s21qax/chinas_tianjin_orders_retesting_of_all_14_million/ | 10:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: As surges drive Covid-19 testing, companies eye an on-ramp for new markets: CVS Health, Abbott, and other companies that have poured money into developing and distributing Covid-19 tests see their efforts as an on-ramp to new markets. → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/12/cvs-abbott-covid19-testing/ | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says, but vaccinated people will still fare better → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s22fv3/the_highly_contagious_omicron_variant_will_find/ | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +32161 cases, +143 deaths, +73575 tests (43.7% positive) since 23 hours ago — Russia: +17946 cases, +745 deaths, +400000 tests (4.5% positive) since 23 hours ago — Ukraine: +7117 cases, +193 deaths since 23 hours ago — Lithuania: +4787 cases, +14 deaths, +27390 tests (17.5% positive) since 23 hours ago | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: The Nonprofit College That Spends More on Marketing Than Financial Aid: by Anna Clark , ProPublica, and David Jesse , Detroit Free Press ] ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up for Dispatches , a [... want %more?] → https://www.propublica.org/article/the-nonprofit-college-that-spends-more-on-marketing-than-financial-aid#1242709 | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Once more, in the peaks of Omicron, the vaccines are doing what they are supposed to do; preventing severe disease. But high circulation will reach the vulnerable, so use maks and tests to keep everyone safe! There is reason to be optimistic! pic.twitter.com/1sEQfNCrVj → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1481209218724155392 | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: David Oliver: Solutions for the workforce crisis exist, so let’s act now: The serious and growing workforce crisis in the NHS and social care is the biggest, most pressing threat to the viability of services for people who need them.1 Covid-19, Brexit, and points based... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o23.short | 11:39 |
| Guest99 | https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/omicron-variant-us-sets-fresh-records-for-covid-hospitalizations-and-cases-with-1point5-million-new-infections.html | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Novavax: South Korea Ministry of Food and Drug Safety Approves Novavax COVID-19 Vaccine: -- Nuvaxovid™ COVID-19 Vaccine (recombinant, adjuvanted) is the first protein-based COVID-19 vaccine granted approval in South Korea → https://ir.novavax.com/2022-01-12-South-Korea-Ministry-of-Food-and-Drug-Safety-Approves-Novavax-COVID-19-Vaccine | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +32947 cases since 14 hours ago — Austria: +17006 cases, +10 deaths, +1469988 tests (1.2% positive) since a day ago — Libya: +599 cases, +8 deaths, +4911 tests (12.2% positive) since a day ago | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on COVID-19 vaccination in the EU/EEA: Data in various file formats with information on COVID-19 vaccine doses administered, manufacturers, and target groups in the EU/EEA. → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/data-covid-19-vaccination-eu-eea | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +16173 cases, +684 deaths, +191874 tests (8.4% positive) since a day ago — Slovenia: +7420 cases, +12 deaths, +14814 tests (50.1% positive) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +5362 cases, +2 deaths since 23 hours ago — Estonia: +2203 cases, +4 deaths, +8984 tests (24.5% positive) since 23 hours ago | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Prime Minister Boris Johnson admits he attended No.10 'BYOB' garden party during the height of the first lockdown, as Labour Leader Keir Starmer demands his resignation → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s254hz/prime_minister_boris_johnson_admits_he_attended/ | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Boris Johnson admits attending Downing Street party during lockdown → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s25cm8/boris_johnson_admits_attending_downing_street/ | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Is ‘long Covid’ worsening the labor shortage? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s25dn9/is_long_covid_worsening_the_labor_shortage/ | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Croatia: +9894 cases, +27 deaths since 22 hours ago — UAE: +2616 cases, +4 deaths, +300893 tests (0.9% positive) since a day ago — Nepal: +2448 cases, +2 deaths, +9051 tests (27.0% positive) since 23 hours ago — Latvia: +2439 cases, +22 deaths, +14053 tests (17.4% positive) since a day ago | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why Some Workers Are Getting All the Covid Tests They Need → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s25pma/why_some_workers_are_getting_all_the_covid_tests/ | 14:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Experts hope COVID-19 will evolve to be more like the common cold → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s262h7/experts_hope_covid19_will_evolve_to_be_more_like/ | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid: Omicron Causes Fewer & Shorter Hospitalizations, Study Shows → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s268be/covid_omicron_causes_fewer_shorter/ | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: High Court finds UK’s VIP lane for PPE contracts ‘unlawful’ → https://www.politico.eu/article/high-court-uk-vip-lane-ppe-contract-unlawful/ | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +8600 cases, +44 deaths, +61677 tests (13.9% positive) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +2916 cases, +4 deaths, +24964 tests (11.7% positive) since 22 hours ago — Iraq: +2037 cases, +5 deaths since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +32890 cases, +21 deaths, +109177 tests (30.1% positive) since 23 hours ago | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/s26xhe/cannabinoids_block_cellular_entry_of_sarscov2_and/ | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Medicare proposes to restrict coverage of Biogen Alzheimer’s drug; Pfizer to cut its U.S. sales staff → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/01/12/covid19-vaccine-pfizer-biogen-medicare-alzheimers/ | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Weekly Epidemiological Brief → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s27pql/weekly_epidemiological_brief/ | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belarus: +1010 cases, +18 deaths, +35423 tests (2.9% positive) since a day ago — Canada: +28760 cases, +92 deaths since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +1994 cases since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +94722 cases since 20 hours ago | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science Daily: Possibility of vaccine to prevent skin cancer: Research suggests that a vaccine stimulating production of a protein critical to the skin's antioxidant network could help people bolster their defenses against skin cancer. → https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/01/220112093811.htm | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The human costs behind China’s determination to crush the virus. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s28jyu/the_human_costs_behind_chinas_determination_to/ | 16:30 |
| aradesh | i wonder if boris johnson will resign over thes 10 downing street lockdown party | 16:37 |
| aradesh | sounds quite bad | 16:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Pneumonia, myocarditis, multisystem inflammatory syndrome - what Michigan doctors see in kids with COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s28r00/pneumonia_myocarditis_multisystem_inflammatory/ | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The Army of Millions Who Enforce China’s Zero-Covid Policy, at All Costs → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s28uow/the_army_of_millions_who_enforce_chinas_zerocovid/ | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Spain doctors win suit for lack of protection from COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s295wb/spain_doctors_win_suit_for_lack_of_protection/ | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Analysis of TCR Repertoire by High-Throughput Sequencing Indicates the Feature of T Cell Immune Response after SARS-CoV-2 Infection. → https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/35011632 | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +2829 cases, +23 deaths, +37423 tests (7.6% positive) since 23 hours ago — Azerbaijan: +645 cases, +9 deaths since a day ago — Germany: +88226 cases, +312 deaths since 23 hours ago | 17:10 |
| lastshell | any good news in the horizon ? | 17:44 |
| ublx | Esteemed Leader Boris is facing pressure to resign | 17:48 |
| ublx | better than nothing | 17:48 |
| AimHere | Can the Tories find someone even more incompetent to replace him with? They've been scraping the bottom of the barrel for about 20 years now | 17:50 |
| lastshell | Bojo leaving will not solve covid | 17:58 |
| lastshell | I can tell from switching from Republican president to Democrat, things will got maybe worst | 17:59 |
| lastshell | covid is not a political issue, they can't fix it | 17:59 |
| ublx | still, it will improve the Bovid outlook | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +40945 cases, +20 deaths since 22 hours ago — Chile: +4828 cases, +1 deaths, +59038 tests (8.2% positive) since 23 hours ago — Cuba: +2788 cases, +40736 tests (6.8% positive) since 23 hours ago — Kosovo: +424 cases, +1 deaths since 23 hours ago | 18:00 |
| ublx | flippancy aside, i can't say i agree that covid is not a political issue | 18:02 |
| ublx | we have grown used to not having politics. ie, what we've seen for some time is anti-politics | 18:02 |
| Tuvix | Making masks and vaccines a political issue to the point it is here in the states appears to be a somewhat uniquely American problem. | 18:04 |
| Tuvix | Not that it doesn't exist in some politics elsewhere too, but here who you voted for in the last presidental election has a rather high correlation with your vaccination status more than most other single variables. | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: One in five doctors feels overwhelmed daily by covid and winter pressures, RCP reports: Over two thirds of doctors (69%) have felt overwhelmed at work at least once in the past three weeks as rising covid cases and winter illnesses heap pressure on healthcare services, a survey by the... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o86.short | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UK Covid deaths surge to nearly 400 as 129,587 cases are reported → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2b903/uk_covid_deaths_surge_to_nearly_400_as_129587/ | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC predicts more than 62,000 US Covid deaths in the next month → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2bele/cdc_predicts_more_than_62000_us_covid_deaths_in/ | 18:36 |
| Tuvix | I'd have to crunch the numbers, but that may mean the death toll resulting from the Omicron surge may be worse than Delta's, though perhaps not quite as bad as last winter's. | 18:46 |
| Klinda | I have covid | 18:50 |
| Klinda | probably omicron | 18:50 |
| anan | Klinda: 3x vaccinated with ? | 18:51 |
| Klinda | x2 pfizer | 18:51 |
| Klinda | on agust | 18:51 |
| Klinda | I had to do the third on 14 December | 18:52 |
| Klinda | very funny some days before got covid | 18:52 |
| Klinda | if a nerd like me took the covid | 18:53 |
| Klinda | all will get it | 18:53 |
| Klinda | before or after | 18:54 |
| Tuvix | At least 2 doses seems to still hold some reasonable protection up until the 4 to 6 month point, and that's still better protection than those who had no prior vacciation series or never completed the first series. | 18:54 |
| Klinda | I happy to do the vaccine | 18:54 |
| Klinda | am* | 18:54 |
| Klinda | in some way it will help me anyway I think | 18:55 |
| Klinda | I see someone who didn't smell for one year or something | 18:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: How do I get a religious Covid vaccination exemption in California? → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2c14y/how_do_i_get_a_religious_covid_vaccination/ | 18:55 |
| Klinda | I have all for now | 18:55 |
| Tuvix | Yea, and if you had your 2nd dose in August, that's proably still at least somewhat protetive. Perhaps not as good as also having the booster protection, but the vast majority of severe cases that land folks in hospitals remain those with no prior vaccinations. | 18:56 |
| Klinda | I am also young | 18:56 |
| Klinda | 27 years old | 18:56 |
| Tuvix | There's also some signs that the vacinated have less common lasting effects after acute recover, and those that do experiencing symptoms after have lower severity of them. | 18:56 |
| Klinda | I hope I have nothing after, now I have sore throat | 18:57 |
| Tuvix | Sure, although age isn't eveything. I have a friend who had to explain to his son why a classmate of his kid's died at 13 :\. (I don't think she was vaccinated though.) Being young isn't the only factor, although the odds go up compared to older age-groups given the same vaccination status and no other heath issues. | 18:58 |
| Klinda | sure also with common cold pepole die | 18:58 |
| Klinda | there is also vaccine for common cold | 18:58 |
| Klinda | after >65 years old you should take it each year | 18:58 |
| Tuvix | There's a vaccine for the flu, but not the common cold. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6481390 | 19:00 |
| Klinda | yes flu I am not english native language sorry ahah | 19:00 |
| Tuvix | Ah, no worries :) | 19:00 |
| Klinda | my mom and my brother didn't take it btw, only me and my dad, very strange | 19:01 |
| Tuvix | Here in the US the flu vaccine is also recommended for our older population. It is usually availble at free or low cost to younger groups too. | 19:01 |
| Klinda | well here if you are young you will never get your medic say you have to do flu vaccine, there are the mandatory when you born and that's it | 19:02 |
| Klinda | maybe if something bad happens when you get flu | 19:02 |
| Tuvix | I got my flu vaccination this year although I have not had a flu shot for some years prior. I'm in my 30's but the vaccine has always been free when I've taken it. | 19:02 |
| Klinda | you should get it | 19:02 |
| Tuvix | Usually it is too late to take a vaccine like that after you get infected, although sometimes other treatments are available to help fight an infection. | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +251584 cases, +381 deaths since 19 hours ago — Japan: +13044 cases, +3 deaths since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +129544 cases, +1539338 tests (2.3% positive) since 23 hours ago — Greenland: +457 cases, +1454 tests (31.4% positive) since 23 hours ago | 19:03 |
| Klinda | every year I had always the flu, like 1 week of weak and fever and that's it | 19:03 |
| Tuvix | I was listening to a doctor here interviewed who was talking about how hard it is to tell his COVID patients that they can't get a vaccine after they're already sick. | 19:03 |
| Klinda | sure covid is worst than the flu | 19:03 |
| Tuvix | Some realize that it is serious when they end up in the hospital, but it is too late to decide to get vaccinated then. | 19:03 |
| Klinda | they have fear | 19:03 |
| Klinda | I understand them a bit | 19:04 |
| Tuvix | Patients at least need to recover first, then vaccination is recommended once they recover from the initial symptoms. Assuming they do recover… | 19:04 |
| Klinda | I mean what if you die like the one who died with Astrazeneca ? | 19:04 |
| Tuvix | Yea, getting it is never risk-free, but you're a lot better off with your 2 doses and being in an age group that has much better odds compared to an 80-year old. | 19:04 |
| Tuvix | This is for US data only, but you can see the incidence rate of fatal outcomes by each age group I've graphed here: https://imgur.com/a/Lm9sdzR | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Women denied IVF treatment if unvaccinated → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2c8d8/women_denied_ivf_treatment_if_unvaccinated/ | 19:05 |
| Tuvix | That is for Delta (data does not yet cover Omicron deaths) but as a vaccinated 20-something year old, you are about 63 times less likely to have a fatal outcome going by peak month data. Those are some nice odds to stack the deck with by being vaccinated! | 19:06 |
| Tuvix | Less likely than your unvaccinated peers that is. | 19:07 |
| Klinda | I really like how facebook is become in my country (Italy), everyone is a medic etc saying the vaccine is toxic ahahah | 19:07 |
| Klinda | now if one die: it's the vaccine! | 19:08 |
| Klinda | xD | 19:08 |
| Tuvix | There is plenty of misinformation going around some parts of social media, sure. I'm glad that you didn't get caught up in that though. It sounds like you got proper medical information from actual doctors, not the ones pretending they know more. | 19:08 |
| Klinda | sure, I mean if the science is made on facebook :D | 19:09 |
| Klinda | we are all saved | 19:09 |
| Klinda | I don't really see the necessity on comment about those things | 19:09 |
| Klinda | I think smart pepole never comment | 19:09 |
| Klinda | maybe the only thing they should change it's to find a cure Tuvix, I am only getting pracentamol and antibiotic | 19:13 |
| Klinda | that's it | 19:13 |
| Tuvix | Reducing the impact on hospitals during surges would be a good start. We may very possibly be stuck with some COVID for years, but we're hoping at more managable levels between preventative measures and possible reduced severity. | 19:14 |
| Tuvix | If COVID can eventually be managed more like the seasonal flu, we'd be in better shape. Delta and now Omicron have been unexpected surprises that hit every country harder than expected. | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: How Effective Was the US COVID-19 Vaccination Campaign?: A model simulated the efficacy of the US’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout, measuring its correlation with reduced hospitalizations and deaths. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-effective-was-the-us-covid-19-vaccination-campaign- | 19:15 |
| Klinda | I read that Omicron is less deadly | 19:15 |
| Tuvix | On an individual level that seems to be true overall, but due to how many are infected Omicron could result in more total deaths than Delta did, at least in places with mixed vaccination rates. | 19:16 |
| Tuvix | Because so many are getting infected, hospitals in many places are having a hard time keeping up, and that's going to hit unvaccinated populations much harder. | 19:16 |
| spybert | Yeah, if it's 1/3 as deadly but infects 3 times as many people, same thing. | 19:17 |
| lastshell | now that I had 3 jabs and omicron infection im safe outside or the next variant can do harm ? | 19:18 |
| Klinda | we have to realize that will be like the common flu in some years | 19:18 |
| Klinda | I mean is not possibile to fix this problem | 19:19 |
| Klinda | we just have globalization and those things | 19:19 |
| Tuvix | lastshell: Since we haven't seen the next varient or have any useful immunological data, that's impossible to say. It's possible the "next" yet-undiscovered varient could be worse and evade immunity. Or it might be very weak against vaccinated and antibody-strong defenses. | 19:19 |
| Klinda | we never go back until we extinguish | 19:19 |
| lastshell | i want normality | 19:21 |
| lastshell | im tired of this | 19:21 |
| spybert | people talk about the flu like it's a joke, but in some years it has come close to the medieval plagues of Europe. | 19:21 |
| anan | uh hunh | 19:27 |
| Tuvix | I don't have any good comparisons to middle-Europe offhand, but WHO puts the global flu deaths up past half a million globally some years. | 19:27 |
| anan | Klinda: stop with the flu comparison plz | 19:28 |
| Tuvix | I think the projection was that eventually we'll get COVID under control (by several years anyway, or at least we really hope before then) and it will be dealt with more like the seasonal flu. | 19:29 |
| Tuvix | If it doesn't we're in globally for more years of intense pressure on our global healthcare and our sanity. | 19:29 |
| Klinda | if you don't like it, we extinguish, what can we do? do you think that this virus expire ? no we have to live with it | 19:29 |
| Klinda | like the flu | 19:30 |
| Klinda | hope they find better cures for all (not only the rich) | 19:30 |
| Tuvix | We'll have to live with it in whatever form it still has, but as a global society we need to do a better job than this crisis which is obviously far worse than the flu. The WHO put even a "very bad" flu year at about 650,000 dead. The US alone has seen about that death rate each YEAR of the 2 years we've been dealing with COVID. | 19:31 |
| Tuvix | Maybe eventually COVID will be under control, but we're nowhere close right now, and many places are looking at healthcare systems that frankly cannot cope with the current crisis. | 19:32 |
| Tuvix | Hopefully vaccines can be updated to offer improved protection, and with any luck we won't see a new varient emerge that has this kind of impact in the next 6 to 12 months while we also hope to improve our science to fight it. But that's a lot of hoping. | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The governor of West Virginia comes down with Covid-19. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2d7fp/the_governor_of_west_virginia_comes_down_with/ | 19:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron disrupts transit, emergency services as workers call out sick: ‘Most people are going to get Covid’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2de22/omicron_disrupts_transit_emergency_services_as/ | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AnGes: AG0302-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/31/ | 20:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +77722 cases, +145 deaths, +422028 tests (18.0% positive) since 21 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +7439 cases, +4 deaths, +19217 tests (38.7% positive) since a day ago — Italy: +196205 cases, +313 deaths, +1190567 tests (16.5% positive) since 23 hours ago — Mozambique: +1948 cases, +6 deaths, +6064 tests (32.1% positive) since 23 hours ago | 20:05 |
| LjL | do what do you reckon the more correct time between cases and death is, 2 weeks, 3 weeks, somewhere in between? | 20:17 |
| LjL | s/do/so/ | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Adimmune Corporation: AdimrSC-2f → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/63/ | 20:22 |
| TurboTech | Good afternoon | 20:26 |
| TurboTech | I have more raw data from my house. | 20:26 |
| TurboTech | My stepson moved back home on the second of January. Two days later he came down with cold like symptoms and a fever of 102. I told my wife (I was at work) that he needed to be tested and that it is more than likely omicron. | 20:27 |
| TurboTech | He was tested and found to have Sars CoV-2 virus. So from Sunday to Weds we were all blasted in the car and house before we put him in his room with the fan on and the window opened (to produce a negative airflow environment). My brother was here too. Everyone in the house besides my stepson had full replete vitamin D levels and were all supplementing with at least 5000 iu daily. of Vitamin D. We were all taking 10-20 mg of me | 20:27 |
| TurboTech | tonin on a daily basis and 1 fish oil pill daily as well. My wife, my brother and my self were all vaccinated. My Dad refused to be vaccinated. My dad also shares the hallway and bathroom with my stepson. Today is the 12th. No one has come down with Carona Virus outside of my stepson. This is pretty good data here. Manny wore an N95 when he would leave his room. But none of us wore masks in the living areas of the house. | 20:27 |
| TurboTech | step son is Autistic, so he makes mistakes when it comes to cleanliness. Given the high transmissibility of Omicron, I think a few things were proven here. I did do PCR testing 2 times on myself at work and there was no virus found in my airways. The day they found out that Manny (Stepson) was positive my wife drove him to get tested in her car without a mask on there and back home. | 20:27 |
| lastshell1 | hi Turbotech that was good, for me 7 of 8 got omicron | 20:31 |
| ublix | 1600 | 20:32 |
| ublix | scuse me, wrong window | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): Has anyone else with #longCOVID received monoclonal antibodies to SARS-CoV-2? Please share your experience. More data will help justify a clinical trial. Thank you. twitter.com/alisavaldesrod… → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1481346890662879245 | 20:32 |
| TurboTech | Given the transmissability of Omicron, I would have to say that the modalities put in place were a big factor. | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jan 12, 2022: Deaths averted by COVID vaccines Wearable SARS-CoV-2 sensor Slow global flu rise Bearded dragon Salmonella → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/news-scan-jan-12-2022 | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Global COVID-19 cases continue to spike, with deaths stable: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Jan 12, 2022 "Almost 50,000 deaths a week is 50,000 deaths too many," says WHO head. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/global-covid-19-cases-continue-spike-deaths-stable | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +6760 cases, +181 deaths, +43494 tests (15.5% positive) since 23 hours ago — France: +254202 cases since 23 hours ago — Kuwait: +4548 cases, +35335 tests (12.9% positive) since a day ago — Moldova: +1420 cases, +9 deaths since a day ago | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Global study notes risk factors for uncommon severe COVID-19 in kids: Jim Wappes | Editorial Director | CIDRAP News Jan 12, 2022 Risk factors were older age, chronic conditions, and longer symptoms. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/global-study-notes-risk-factors-uncommon-severe-covid-19-kids | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Cobb County teachers consider breaking contracts amid COVID-19 concerns → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2fpwc/cobb_county_teachers_consider_breaking_contracts/ | 21:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: N.I.H. Letter on EcoHealth Alliance’s Late Study Filings: Type Newspaper Article URL https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/10/21/science/nih-eco-health-alliance-letter.html Publication The New York Times ISSN 0362-4331 Date 2021-10-21 Section Science Accessed 2022-01-12 20:47:14 [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/87N83T4K | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lebanon: +7246 cases, +14 deaths since 22 hours ago — Qatar: +4206 cases, +4581 tests (91.8% positive) since a day ago — Mauritania: +1093 cases, +2 deaths, +6334 tests (17.3% positive) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +81396 cases since 23 hours ago | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: Unvaxxed?: submitted by /u/Affectionate_Desk642 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2gj23/unvaxxed/ | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2h41l/scientists_believed_covid_leaked_from_wuhan_lab/ | 22:29 |
| gry_ | msn is a shitshow | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 tests are free starting Saturday; how to get one; how to get it delivered → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2hhzo/covid19_tests_are_free_starting_saturday_how_to/ | 22:48 |
| sdfgsdfg | "oh the wave is ending look the wave is endng we beyond da peak" is the new consensus I guess | 22:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: White House to ship more COVID-19 tests to schools: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jan 12, 2022 The steps are part of continued efforts to keep schools open for in-person learning. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/white-house-ship-more-covid-19-tests-schools | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +179125 cases, +125 deaths since a day ago — Niger: +110 cases, +1 deaths since 11 hours ago | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus digest: Germany daily cases hit record levels → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2hys2/coronavirus_digest_germany_daily_cases_hit_record/ | 23:07 |
| sdfgsdfg | the endemic phase begins with new types of vaccines. May the odds ever be in your favor :p | 23:07 |
| LjL | other waves have ended | 23:16 |
| LjL | repeatedly | 23:16 |
| lastshell1 | LjL are we close to the end ? | 23:17 |
| LjL | no | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Which Marijuana Strains Block the Coronavirus' Cellular Pathways the Best? Dr. Kovalchuk Explains His Groundbreaking Study → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2i9ex/which_marijuana_strains_block_the_coronavirus/ | 23:17 |
| LjL | oh lord | 23:17 |
| LjL | we're at "which strain does it best" now | 23:17 |
| de-facto | Jack Herer? | 23:18 |
| de-facto | lol | 23:18 |
| * de-facto remains staying non-smoker, nuff of that bs | 23:19 | |
| Arsanerit | reddit being reddit | 23:19 |
| dTal | "which vintage of single malt disinfects the throat the best? we consult experts" | 23:20 |
| LjL | chuckles | 23:20 |
| lastshell1 | I don't like drugs | 23:20 |
| xx | is the weed thing something to think about, or is it all nonsense? | 23:20 |
| lastshell1 | well many doctors claim some health benefits for other sickness | 23:21 |
| LjL | it's not nonsense because the study is real, but it shows activity of some substances in vitro | 23:21 |
| LjL | that on its own means very close to nothing given activity against SARS-COV-2 is shown by a ton of substances, but then most of them don't seem to work in actual humans | 23:21 |
| LjL | with weed it gets even more complicated given if you smoke it, the substances in it get brown down into other substances | 23:21 |
| dTal | better safe than sorry though eh?! | 23:22 |
| de-facto | the problem being that many substances become cytotoxic at levels that may have some efficacy against SARS-CoV-2 | 23:22 |
| LjL | so if you want to smoke weed, make sure it's legal, and that you're willing to take any risks that come from it, and smoke away - but don't expect to be free of COVID :P | 23:22 |
| de-facto | or have other serious side effects in the human body at those concentrations, hence may work in vitro (petri dishes with cell cultures) but not so much in vivo (inside human body) | 23:23 |
| xx | smoking weed is bad | 23:23 |
| xx | edibles is the way to go | 23:23 |
| xx | the whole culture around *smoking* weed is annoying | 23:23 |
| de-facto | thats what stimulating the reward neuro-transmitters without real achievements but having smoked results into | 23:26 |
| rpifan | gib novavax | 23:27 |
| Arsanerit | if people want to get drunk they could just inject alcohol into their blood, it's faster and probably cheaper than the detour around drinking? | 23:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Duration of Protection against Mild and Severe Disease by Covid-19 Vaccines → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2inbv/duration_of_protection_against_mild_and_severe/ | 23:36 |
| dTal | how could involving needles and sterile drips possibly be cheaper than... a cup | 23:36 |
| dTal | how could it be faster | 23:36 |
| dTal | tell you what, race you. I'll drink some alcohol and you inject it | 23:36 |
| * dTal has a wee nip o' Kraken | 23:38 | |
| Arsanerit | dTal: faster because it enters the blood immediately without delay | 23:38 |
| Arsanerit | cheaper because pure alcohol (not for human consumption) does not have tax levies | 23:38 |
| dTal | have you finished your injection yet? | 23:38 |
| dTal | what's taking so long? | 23:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | if only we could have a survey on protection of different vaccines, doses and marijuana strains together in a table :P | 23:39 |
| LjL | pure alcohol does have tax levies here, unless it's denaturated | 23:39 |
| LjL | i would recommend against drinking *or* injecting that | 23:39 |
| trbp | is it wise to inject pure alcohol? | 23:39 |
| dTal | I'm pretty sure the government is wise to the fact that you can dilute "pure alcohol" with, say, orange juice | 23:40 |
| trbp | well drinking could save someone throwing up maybe | 23:40 |
| dTal | trbp: do you really need that answered | 23:40 |
| sdfgsdfg | 1 prior infection + 2 moderna + 1 pfizer + 1 novavax + white widow kush OJ from amsterdam = the ultimate protection | 23:40 |
| trbp | but inject? | 23:40 |
| LjL | dTal, or hey water! have you tried water? | 23:40 |
| LjL | we could call it "little water" | 23:40 |
| LjL | or "water of life" | 23:40 |
| dTal | sounds boring | 23:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | antibodies, t cells, b cells, protective surface by CBD molecules. What else can we do ? Hold our breath while in the elevator | 23:41 |
| LjL | ... i haven't taken the elevator in two years | 23:42 |
| xx | people boof alcohol, or so I've heard | 23:48 |
| xx | probably easier on the digestive system | 23:48 |
| xx | and faster to get into bloodstream | 23:48 |
| xx | hmm | 23:51 |
| xx | when will they come up with a vaccine that you can boof, for people who are afraid of syringes? | 23:51 |
| lastshell1 | they need to man up imho | 23:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Moderna expects COVID-19 vaccine trial data for children aged 2-5 in March → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2j27t/moderna_expects_covid19_vaccine_trial_data_for/ | 23:55 |
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