| ijr | Hey, how well does devuan integrate with the debian reposit | 04:55 |
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| ijr | Sorry, accidental send, I meant debian repositories | 04:55 |
| gnarface | it integrates perfectly with them but you should use only use the devuan repos anyway because not all the packages from debian integrate well with devuan, and the ones that do are already in the devuan repos | 05:00 |
| gnarface | (well, "in" in the sense they're available through them, though technically they're served by http redirect) | 05:00 |
| gnarface | but if you don't pull in any unsafe dependencies, yea a debian repo will still let you install packages | 05:01 |
| gnarface | for example the winehq repo packages work as long as you ONLY get the wine components from there and make sure NOT to mix them with wine components from the debian OR devuan repos | 05:01 |
| gnarface | but use some ubuntu ppa and god help you... | 05:02 |
| gnarface | the problem is that in most cases the repos are actually TOO compatible, and the packages are not | 05:02 |
| adhoc | ijr: are you refering to repositories for software not provided by deban, but for debian ? | 05:02 |
| adhoc | if so, then I use third party repos for devuan that are intendeed for debian. most work ok. | 05:03 |
| ijr | adhoc: No I was trying to ask if breakages are common in the devuan repository | 05:03 |
| adhoc | no | 05:03 |
| adhoc | it has been pretty good over the last few years. | 05:04 |
| ijr | Ok, are devuan's mirrors decently fas | 05:04 |
| adhoc | fast? about the same ? | 05:04 |
| adhoc | I suspect it is more about the repos you can see in your country or what your local network bandwidth is like | 05:04 |
| adhoc | you would have to compare a few yourself and benchmark the results | 05:05 |
| adhoc | my ISP has a full debain mirror, it is only twice as fast as the local country devuan mirror | 05:05 |
| ijr | Gotcha, I'll benchmark it, what's a big file in the mirrors to test with? | 05:06 |
| ijr | Seems ok, I tested with the iso, since my internet is slow right not I'll probably install it later. By the way, when is the devuan equivalent to bullseye coming out? | 05:12 |
| gnarface | soon probably | 05:19 |
| ijr | Awesome! Thanks for all the help | 05:20 |
| gnarface | the mirrors seem to be fast enough most the time but US users have had isolated complaints about bandwidth issues that are generally expected to be happening in the trans-continental connections rather than actually at the datacenter | 05:21 |
| gnarface | since nobody close to any of the datacenters has any issues | 05:21 |
| gnarface | and actually nobody outside the US has had any issues | 05:22 |
| gnarface | so that's... suspicious to say the least | 05:22 |
| gnarface | but also lately it's been fine | 05:22 |
| ijr | Well, that sucks for me | 05:22 |
| ijr | American | 05:22 |
| gnarface | yea i'm warning you from personal experience | 05:22 |
| ijr | But you say it has been okay recently? | 05:22 |
| gnarface | yea this is old news as far as i can tell but i also started running a caching proxy for apt, which i would recommend if you have multiple machines | 05:23 |
| ijr | That should be fine for me | 05:23 |
| tr-amarsh04 | one more breakage caused by debianutils - kexec-tools doesn't include /usr/bin in PATH for using run-parts | 08:16 |
| tr-amarsh04 | submitted as debian bug #992481 | 08:16 |
| tr-amarsh04 | should I file a bug report against kexec-tools also? | 08:17 |
| tr-amarsh04 | already done, waiting on debian bug number | 08:20 |
| tr-amarsh04 | irony was that kexec-tools didn't have a dependency on debianutils yet used run-parts from debianutils | 08:26 |
| tr-amarsh04 | not sure how kexec-tools' dependency on debianutils was missed when kexec-tools uses run-parts from debianutils | 08:29 |
| Unit193 | Just go through http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=bin%2Frun-parts&literal=1&perpkg=1 ? | 08:29 |
| tr-amarsh04 | Unit193 funny, kexec-tools didn't come up in that search | 08:35 |
| Unit193 | tr-amarsh04: No, that makes sense since the problem is how PATH is set. | 08:36 |
| tr-amarsh04 | yes, if the path setting is different, it should either be accounted for in checking scripts or not be permitted in packages | 08:37 |
| onefang | If you want to see how fast the package mirrors are, check the apt-panopticon results from these URLS - | 08:41 |
| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html Checks from my package mirror in Amsterdam. So my own mirror has an unfair advantage on this one. | 08:42 |
| onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html Checks from Australia. | 08:42 |
| onefang | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html Not sure where this checks from, rrq will know. | 08:42 |
| rrq | veritas IP (external) is 54.36.142.176 which appears to be hooked ont Internet in France | 09:11 |
| zmoment_ | I have devuan arm running but not amd64. But I'm thinking on switching to Devuan amd64 for my desktop as well. In https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html I can check for a package, but I would also like to get a list of all packages from the repositories (main, contrib, nonfree) supported by Devuan amd64. Tried to search http://pkgmaster.devuan.org but can't find but small lists. | 13:02 |
| zmoment_ | How to get a list of all amd64 packages? | 13:02 |
| ShorTie | most packages are from Debian | 13:06 |
| ShorTie | only a few are Devuan specific | 13:06 |
| zmoment_ | so when searching for a package with apt it first searches on specific Devuan packages and if the package is not found then it searches on Debian ones? | 13:11 |
| gnarface | zmoment_: look in /merged/ for the whole package list | 13:25 |
| gnarface | might just be easier to run: apt-cache search '.' | 13:27 |
| djph | ugh, this stinks | 13:36 |
| djph | I finally get a box that has enough storage to host a mirror ... and the only ISP in this new town has 30 mbit upload speed :( | 13:37 |
| zmoment_ | gnarface: 57969 packages for /merged/dists/beowulf/main/binary-amd64/. Thanks | 14:10 |
| user____ | djph: vps is cheaper than a new box | 14:10 |
| djph | user____: Oh, what vps will give me 20 TiB for a one-time cost of $500 ? | 14:13 |
| tr-amarsh04 | anyone seeing a startpar error with apache-htcacheclean from apache2 on start-up? | 14:15 |
| djph | tr-amarsh04: not here on Beowulf | 14:15 |
| tr-amarsh04 | thanks, running unstable here | 14:16 |
| user____ | djph: how many years to d/l 20TiB once through a 10MB connection? | 15:16 |
| user____ | . | 15:16 |
| djph | user____: like one and a half. | 15:19 |
| djph | Or, I can keep it all at home, where all my devices connect at 1 gbps (sans the wifi-only things), and it'll take like an hour. | 15:20 |
| djph | not to mention, not cost me thousands of dollars a month | 15:21 |
| ShorTie | i think a old 300 baud acustic coupled modem might be better .. :/~ | 15:30 |
| djph | hah | 15:33 |
| djph | yeah, I really have no idea what point user____ is attempting to make | 15:34 |
| user____ | The fastest and least loaded networks in the world are in geek's bedrooms, connecting desk with floor. | 15:36 |
| djph | if you say so | 15:40 |
| GyrosGeier | yes | 15:44 |
| GyrosGeier | Internet speed becomes less relevant if it's *everyone else* who accesses resources through the Internet | 15:45 |
| GyrosGeier | I also know a person who has a DNS root under their desk | 15:45 |
| user____ | I hope they taped over the reset switch, in case of knee contact | 16:27 |
| Death_Syn | unplug it from the mainboard | 21:03 |
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