| wikan | hi, do you know about any "cannot execute /sbin/getty" error after installing unstable? | 03:47 |
|---|---|---|
| wikan | asking, because not sure if bug or disk died | 03:47 |
| wikan | a lot of ext4-fs error, cannot read inode0 | 03:47 |
| fluffywolf | that sounds like the disk died. | 03:48 |
| adhoc | are there errors in teh log files; /var/log/messages | 03:49 |
| wikan | dunno, cant mount this drive to any other machine | 03:50 |
| wikan | system not loading | 03:50 |
| wikan | i am trying to bring this laptop to live but something is wrong | 03:51 |
| Xenguy | later, rinse, repeat? | 03:51 |
| Xenguy | reinstall? | 03:52 |
| Xenguy | Maybe it's hardware, hrm | 03:52 |
| fluffywolf | any errors about reading inodes would point to a bad drive. | 03:52 |
| wikan | previous disc probably died. Filesystem get blocked (rad only) while upgrade and no booted again | 03:52 |
| wikan | this drive is from other old machine, so maybe is broken too, but I think it is not dist issue but chipset died | 03:53 |
| wikan | i couldn't install to ssd anything for a year | 03:53 |
| wikan | if I did it, system worked maybe 10 minutes and files were gone | 03:54 |
| wikan | only buildin card worked | 03:54 |
| agris | why am I not able to access my own program's memory on Devuan Chimaera? | 05:27 |
| agris | (gdb) find 0x7ffc55bc5000, 0x7ffc55bc9000, "usr/local/bin/dwm" | 05:27 |
| agris | warning: Unable to access 16017 bytes of target memory at 0x7ffc55bc5000, halting search. | 05:27 |
| agris | I'm trying to debug varibles in the memoryspace of a running /bin/sh script | 05:28 |
| agris | it's all running under my user account | 05:28 |
| agris | I expect that command to return 0x556a5d50f858 | 05:32 |
| agris | am I doing something wrong? | 05:32 |
| agris | I can still do it the hard way and examine every memory address by hand | 05:32 |
| agris | which is how i found the true address, but i'd really like to be able to search things | 05:33 |
| Afdal | Uh... Devuan doesn't have winetricks in its repository? Seriously? | 05:33 |
| DashiePie | Afdal: it does? I have it | 05:35 |
| Afdal | Uh does it go by some other package name? | 05:35 |
| DashiePie | will check | 05:35 |
| DashiePie | "winetricks" | 05:36 |
| Afdal | Are you on Chimaera? | 05:36 |
| Afdal | I don't see a winetricks in my repo | 05:37 |
| DashiePie | kind of, I'm not on the stable version, but I'm sort of in-between that and Beowulf | 05:37 |
| DashiePie | not sure why it's not showing up, though | 05:37 |
| Afdal | how do I check repos through the web interface again | 05:37 |
| gnarface | pkginfo.devuan.org | 05:37 |
| agris | gnarface, did you see my question? | 05:38 |
| gnarface | i don't know the answer to the memory access issue, but winetricks is one file | 05:38 |
| Afdal | lol apparently it's in every release repo except Chimaera | 05:38 |
| Afdal | what's up with that? | 05:38 |
| Afdal | no wait I see it in Chimaera too | 05:38 |
| agris | alright | 05:38 |
| Afdal | well why the heck doesn't apt say it's there :/ | 05:38 |
| agris | maybe chimaera has some weird kernel level anti-exploit memory protection or something | 05:39 |
| agris | that's getting in the way of my debugging | 05:39 |
| gnarface | forget contrib or non-free? | 05:39 |
| gnarface | the memory space thing might just be permissions related | 05:39 |
| DashiePie | oh, right, those | 05:39 |
| Afdal | no I didn't forget them | 05:40 |
| Afdal | I never even knew about them | 05:40 |
| Afdal | Can you explain the contrib repo to me | 05:40 |
| agris | i mean it's all running as my own user so i would think that would work | 05:40 |
| agris | unless there are additional permissions then standard posix and ringlevels | 05:40 |
| gnarface | stuff in the contrib repo relies on non-free stuff but isn't necessarily itself non-free | 05:40 |
| Afdal | how's that different from non-free | 05:41 |
| Afdal | oh okay | 05:41 |
| gnarface | non-free usually doesn't include source | 05:41 |
| gnarface | winetricks is a bash script | 05:41 |
| Afdal | so what does a sources.list entry look like for this | 05:41 |
| gnarface | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free | 05:41 |
| Afdal | http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 05:41 |
| Afdal | chimaera/contrib? | 05:41 |
| Afdal | I'm on chimaera | 05:41 |
| gnarface | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main contrib non-free | 05:42 |
| Afdal | wait do I need both | 05:42 |
| Afdal | does that add two repositories | 05:42 |
| agris | wtf | 05:42 |
| gnarface | no i pasted a ceres one as an example first, you weren't supposed to take it literally | 05:42 |
| agris | 'bc' is missing from the chimaera base install | 05:42 |
| Afdal | So... I can just added a "contrib" to my main repo line and that adds another separate repo? I don't need to make a new line in sources.list? | 05:43 |
| gnarface | for chimaera you should have 3 lines, and the should all have "main contrib non-free" at the end if you want to enable contrib and non-free too | 05:43 |
| Afdal | so I want it on chimaera-updates and chimaera-security too? | 05:44 |
| gnarface | yea, and the deb-src lines if you have them - just basically take what you had and append " contrib non-free" | 05:44 |
| gnarface | ... to every line | 05:44 |
| Afdal | But what if I just want contribute | 05:45 |
| Afdal | Why are you tellin me to add non-free | 05:45 |
| gnarface | maybe just contrib but like i said they're usually closely interdependent | 05:45 |
| Afdal | oh | 05:45 |
| Afdal | hmm | 05:45 |
| Afdal | -_- | 05:45 |
| gnarface | i honestly would get winetricks from winehq.org directly | 05:45 |
| Afdal | Uncle Stallman would not be pleased | 05:45 |
| gnarface | usually you need the latest one anyway, i'm surprised it was even packaged | 05:45 |
| gnarface | but, i would recommend disabling contrib and non-free after you're done getting stuff from there | 05:46 |
| Afdal | o rly | 05:46 |
| gnarface | yea, if you leave them enabled during updates they tend to start dragging in a lot of cruft | 05:46 |
| Afdal | :} | 05:47 |
| gnarface | it's up to you though | 05:47 |
| gnarface | i get annoyed by shit like colord breaking games and stuff | 05:47 |
| gnarface | ymmv | 05:47 |
| Afdal | thanks for the tipz | 05:50 |
| agris | gnarface, you don't need colord | 05:53 |
| agris | isn't that gnomeshit? | 05:53 |
| agris | you can do the same thing with argyll-dispwin | 05:53 |
| agris | i have this in my ~/.xinitrc | 05:54 |
| agris | dispwin -I /usr/local/share/color/icc/VG248.icm & | 05:54 |
| agris | it updates xprops within your xsession itself directly with the color profile you give it | 05:54 |
| agris | it doesn't require running as a daemon afterwards or dbus | 05:54 |
| agris | my monitor came with calibration data on the cd | 05:55 |
| agris | Afdal, if you want a modern version of wine and dxvk for playing windows games you should just add the winehq debian repository | 05:56 |
| agris | it works alright in my trials | 05:56 |
| agris | remember devuan is still debian binary compatible | 05:56 |
| Afdal | Where do I find that | 05:57 |
| agris | hold on | 05:57 |
| Afdal | deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main ? | 05:57 |
| Afdal | bullseye = chimaera right | 05:57 |
| agris | Afdal, https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian | 05:58 |
| agris | is it possible to configure chimaera to not kill processes with they segfault, but suspend them to be debugged later? | 06:25 |
| agris | or to resume a killed proccess from a coredump | 06:25 |
| rwp | agris, Not exactly. But you can have them dump a core file and then start a debugger later on the core file. | 06:31 |
| rwp | See the output of "ulimit -a". | 06:31 |
| agris | hmm | 06:32 |
| agris | thankyou rwp | 06:32 |
| agris | also, i'm noticing that /bin/dash wastes a lot of space | 06:33 |
| rwp | Even though I said no there probably is some way to do things like that. The Linux kernel has a lot of wild capabilities. | 06:33 |
| agris | so much memory seems to be wasted by contigious null terminators | 06:33 |
| agris | lined up right against each other | 06:33 |
| agris | as far as i understand, you only need one of those per char[] | 06:34 |
| rwp | By what method are you deducing that dash is wasting space? | 06:34 |
| agris | gdb's examine | 06:34 |
| agris | i was curious what was at the edge of a string i wanted to replace | 06:35 |
| agris | it was terminated by 0x00 as expected, but there was still another byte before the start of another string | 06:36 |
| agris | looking, it was just another 0x00 | 06:36 |
| agris | why put a 0x00 at the beginning of string though? and then i looked at a large area of memory surrounding it and it's just filled with 0x00s | 06:37 |
| agris | must be some kind of compiler security thing | 06:39 |
| agris | rwp, what's with all the padding? https://f.perl.bot/raw/ufbr11 | 06:47 |
| rwp | That's just raw memory dumps. Without looking at the source data structures it is really hard to tell anything particular about it. | 06:58 |
| rwp | Also for a shell so much of how much space is used depends upon what the shell did up until that point. | 06:59 |
| rwp | A shell that has been churning through many things will have malloc'd a lot more memory from the system. And the memory pool may or may not be fragmented. | 07:00 |
| agris | ty | 07:08 |
| wikan | hi. I feel bad comming here and only asking for help ;) | 16:31 |
| wikan | must spend more time helping other ppl | 16:31 |
| wikan | but, anyway, i need one more hint | 16:32 |
| wikan | i am polish and I never had this issue before. We have special letters like ą, ł, ś, ć, etc. I changed keyboard and new one looks normal. Actually even almost everything works fine but not one letter. I can write small ś (right alt + s) but can't type capital (right alt + left shift + s). It works but only with right shift. | 16:34 |
| wikan | I don't know where should I look | 16:34 |
| wikan | wonder if I can use sxhkd to solve this problem :| | 16:35 |
| Kitty | today's challenge: can I do an ipv6 only install... | 16:53 |
| Kitty | and the answer is: not if you don't have auto ipv6 address assignment setup, but you do have dhcp v4 available. | 17:02 |
| Kitty | had to manually configure the network | 17:02 |
| Kitty | using the console | 17:02 |
| Kitty | rather than the installer | 17:02 |
| Kitty | and it hangs at scaning the mirror... | 17:10 |
| u-amarsh04 | need to fix some things that package orphan-sysvinit-scripts didn't quite get right | 17:24 |
| wikan | ok, i found that my keyboard issue is probably electronic design. | 17:28 |
| wikan | with rleft shift + alt, exactly s do nothing | 17:28 |
| u-amarsh04 | purging and re-installing package orphan-sysvinit-scripts seemed to fix things (earlier version of the package didn't have full support for some packages) | 17:34 |
| Kitty | woooo, now I fixed my firewall rules on the router | 17:41 |
| Kitty | I have working installer | 17:41 |
| u-amarsh04 | Kitty, is any of your case worth documenting at dev1galaxy.org? | 17:55 |
| Kitty | I didn't do anything special in the end. Main issue was my firewall config not allowing http/s | 17:57 |
| u-amarsh04 | ah, ok | 17:58 |
| Kitty | fix that, then redo hte network config, when it gets to dhcpv4, hit cancel, then follow the enter manual stuff | 17:58 |
| Kitty | switch to tty2, check the ipv4 hasn't happened, delete it if necessary | 17:58 |
| Kitty | continue | 17:59 |
| Kitty | .calc 39 | 18:28 |
| rwp | wikan, Are you using "xev" to help identify keycode events? It's a useful debug tool to identify keyboard keycodes. In the x11-utils package. | 18:34 |
| wikan | yes, xiv shows shift+alt+{ace} works, but s does nothing | 18:35 |
| wikan | probably keyboard keontroller issue | 18:35 |
| rwp | Hmm... What input method are you using? Personally I use Compose keys rather than AltGr for example. | 18:36 |
| rwp | And this is approaching the limit of my knowledge on things. | 18:36 |
| wikan | dunno, how to check it? | 18:36 |
| rwp | I don't know how one would check but you would know how you are entering the keys. For example ś I write with Compose (right PrtSc on my keyboard) then ' then s. | 18:38 |
| rwp | I have configured Compose to be convenient keys on my different keyboards using "setxkbmap -option compose:menu" in this particular case. | 18:38 |
| wikan | well i just use right alt for polish letters | 18:38 |
| rwp | I think (not sure) that might be the AltGr input method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key | 18:39 |
| rwp | Yes. Looks like it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#Poland | 18:39 |
| rwp | JFTR to be complete this is the one I am using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key | 18:41 |
| rwp | Both are fine and either is in use. | 18:41 |
| wikan | ...reading | 18:43 |
| wikan | rwp do you know how can I put "Ś" from keybind? I use sxhkd and tried run xvkbd but it has problems with special characters | 18:46 |
| wikan | zółw becoms w | 18:46 |
| rwp | I do not. First I have heard of sxhkd. Sorry. But I am not very knowledgeable about this end of things. I live in Colorado and it is all US English here. :-( | 18:46 |
| wikan | thanks anyway ;) | 18:47 |
| rwp | How are you getting ś and Ś typed in for your examples here? A different keyboard? | 18:47 |
| wikan | nope, Ś works with right shift only | 18:47 |
| wikan | rest ĄĘĆŃŁ works with left too | 18:48 |
| wikan | here in poland we "naturaly" use alt and left shift, so right shit for Ś is annoying and hard to switch ;) | 18:48 |
| rwp | By way of experiments to gather more information I would try different keyboards. Because I have seen problems with different keyboards not passing "chorded" keys through correctly. | 18:49 |
| lts | You can use xmodmap (or some graphical tools) to create your own keymap | 18:49 |
| rwp | Also whenever I unplug and plug in a new keyboard I must reset my keyboard configuration. It is lost when any keyboard changes. | 18:49 |
| wikan | i think this keyboard has controller issue | 18:49 |
| wikan | lts i tried to switch shifts, but xiv says there is "phisical" issue | 18:50 |
| rwp | I know that some keyboards are specifically sold as "gaming keyboards" with better controllers to handle key press events that happen on top of each other. | 18:50 |
| wikan | just this one combination left shift + right alt + s does nothing at all | 18:50 |
| rwp | I feel your frustration. That would be so very annoying! :-( | 18:50 |
| wikan | rwp: it is cheep one. i always use keyboard after trying to type and I ask myself if I feel keys good. Well this is first keyboard with this issue | 18:51 |
| wikan | (fix) ^ i always buy keyboard | 18:52 |
| rwp | wikan, lts suggestion of exploring xmodmap is also a good one. It's possible it might be able to configure things. | 18:52 |
| rwp | I understand. I am also very particular about keyboards. | 18:53 |
| wikan | tried. that's why I think it is internal keyboard controller issue. Phisical connection betweens keys. | 18:53 |
| rwp | For xmodmap help there is a very old program called "xkeycaps" which can be useful to identify keys and key code and can write out xmodmap files too. | 18:53 |
| rwp | If I use xkeycaps to help me with an xmodmap file then I always just go and figure out what it is trying to set and then reduce it to a smaller readable configuration. | 18:53 |
| rwp | For example I make Capslock into Control_L, make left control into Escape, make the "Windows" key into mod4 with: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1221706 | 18:55 |
| rwp | And if I change keyboards then I must reset everything with: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1221707 | 18:55 |
| rwp | Which is basically setxkbmap followed by xmodmap followed by xset in that order. | 18:56 |
| wikan | well now i use xmodmap only for my mouse because keys are fine or seems impossible to fix (Ś) ;) | 18:56 |
| wikan | i mostly write in vim so I map Ś to alt+2 and it is max i can do ;) | 18:59 |
| wikan | i know worst keyboard issues like space that works only if you hit a key in right spot | 19:00 |
| rwp | Since you mentioned vim first :-) I use Emacs and there is a C-x 8 key mapping available for input and easy to map in any key sequence. | 19:01 |
| wikan | rwp: i need an editor, not second operating system :P | 19:02 |
| rwp | This is getting OT but my issue with using Android as a thin client is that Control-SPC is eaten by Android to change language and I use that all of the time. (To set text marks.) | 19:02 |
| wikan | android devices have keyboards? O.o | 19:04 |
| rwp | Sure. I use a Bluetooth keyboard with my Android phone and tablet all of the time, for text messaging with friends. They can swipe all they like but I prefer a real keyboard. | 19:05 |
| wikan | oh | 19:05 |
| rwp | And if I could tell Android to pass Control-SPC through without grabbing it for changing language packs then I would use a small tablet with a BT keyboard for a light weight thin client instead of hauling around a much large laptop. | 19:05 |
| rwp | But if we are going to chat about that more let's go over to #devuan-offtopic to do so. | 19:06 |
| wikan | done | 19:06 |
| * _ds_ sees a libnss3 update related to https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/this-shouldnt-have-happened.html | 19:07 | |
| gnarface | do you guys know if the chromium build in beowulf enables dns-over-https by default? | 21:58 |
| gnarface | a recent ceres update to firefox-esr re-enabled it sneakly on the down-low, as well as credit-card autofill, so now i'm paranoid | 21:58 |
| Jjp137 | gnarface, so based on this: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1127671 ...DoH was introduced in Chrome 91, and a commit on October 1, 2021 enabled it by default, which I think would mean that it's enabled by default in Chrome 95+ | 22:16 |
| Jjp137 | beowulf is stuck on 90 (in fact, chromium was removed from Debian testing recently b/c it's unmaintained it seems) | 22:16 |
| gnarface | noted, thanks Jjp137 | 22:16 |
| Jjp137 | oh the above applies to Linux versions; other platforms had DoH enabled way earlier | 22:17 |
| Jjp137 | and np | 22:17 |
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