| nemo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29855045 HN argues systemd | 00:09 |
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| nemo | didn't realise Debian went straight from sysv to systemd. | 00:11 |
| golinux | Maybe take to #devuan-offtopic as this is not a support question . . . | 00:12 |
| golinux | Actually, already posted there | 00:13 |
| hiya | golinux: cannot do netinstall with gnome? | 00:36 |
| hiya | why is everyone hating Gnome :( | 00:36 |
| gnarface | hiya: it's the systemd tie-in. it'd have been included if it had been economically feasible. it's their design choices, not our political ones. people have had good experiences reportedly converting to mate, fyi | 00:42 |
| hiya | hmm | 00:42 |
| hiya | but I <3 gnome, then I believe devuan isn't for me | 00:43 |
| gnarface | hiya: well it's really not necessary to choose any WM at install time, you can pick it afterwards just fine, from what i'm told. | 00:43 |
| hiya | hmm | 00:44 |
| hiya | Can devuan be used with https://xanmod.org/ | 00:44 |
| hiya | ? | 00:45 |
| hiya | For latest kernel | 00:45 |
| golinux | hiya: Only post-install | 00:49 |
| msiism | Is there any way someone would end up with aptitude being installed by default on Devuan? | 00:49 |
| hiya | golinux: ok thanks | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | msiism, yes, if they chose a desktop environment from the installer, they would get aptitude | 00:55 |
| msiism | I see. Interesting. | 00:55 |
| msiism | fsmithred: Do you also happen to know if `aptitude full-upgrade` is practically equivalent of `apt-get dist-upgrade`? | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | for one of the upgrades, aptitude was the recommended tool. I forget if that was lenny to squeeze or maybe before or after that. | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | yes, they are usually exactly the same | 00:57 |
| msiism | Okay, great. | 00:57 |
| msiism | I'm trying to brush up TDE installation instructions. | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | when there are conflicts, aptitude will usually give you a few different suggestions. | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | ok, I thought TDE was pretty easy to install | 00:58 |
| fsmithred | but I haven't done it in a long time | 00:58 |
| fsmithred | more than 2 or 3 years | 00:58 |
| fsmithred | and anyhow, I would just use exegnu if I wanted tde | 00:59 |
| msiism | Yeah, they mix apt-get an aptitude in the official instructions, which is very odd. | 01:00 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's better to stick with one in any instructions. | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | In reality, I find myself needing both of them pretty often. | 01:01 |
| msiism | Is ExeGNU still maintained, by the way? | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | and anyway, 'aptitude -s *whatever*' gives you better output than anything else. | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think so. dzz shows up every now and then. Not sure how old the last isos are. | 01:02 |
| msiism | Oh, apparntly still maintained. Just Sourceforge's UI doesn't make that exactly clear. | 01:02 |
| msiism | Good to know. | 01:03 |
| fsmithred | looks like beowulf isos last March. | 01:03 |
| msiism | There's actually a Chimaera ISO from 2021-12-28. | 01:04 |
| msiism | It's in the green box. | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | looks like he has a package repo now. | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | ok, good. Also bluez-alsa packages from same date. | 01:05 |
| msiism | I've recently installed Chmaera with TDE on an old laptop. Works pretty well. | 01:22 |
| msiism | I mean, it's a bit slow. But then, this thing runs on 800M memory… | 01:23 |
| msiism | One minor quibble I saw is that the fully-bloated version has a Debian-themed login manager. | 01:23 |
| msiism | Well, it's only the background image, to be fair. | 01:24 |
| Hunter[m] | <msiism> "I've recently installed Chmaera..." <- Thats funny because Ive done the same but on an old desktop lol | 01:57 |
| gnarface | ok so there's a wifi device that works fine if there's constant traffic, but disconnects after about 7-10s of inactivity, and the log even says the reason is a locally generated disconnect due to inactivity, but iwconfig says power management is not enabled for the device | 07:07 |
| gnarface | network-manager isn't installed | 07:07 |
| gnarface | anyone seen this? | 07:07 |
| malade_mental | systemd-resolved : what is this awful boatware included in stock debian 11 O_O | 18:27 |
| malade_mental | I'm running devuan VMs on debian host (shipped by the server provider...) | 18:28 |
| raindodger | Thought I'd mention that the hidden service for updating apt's cache appears to be down. Running "apt update" returns an error message telling me "Host unreachable" | 20:48 |
| raindodger | However, I can connect to other hidden services via Tor browser with no problems | 20:48 |
| raindodger | So my ISP isn't blocking connections to Tor | 20:49 |
| raindodger | Tried restarting the Tor service but that didn't change anything | 20:49 |
| onefang | Alas I have no visibility into that yet. | 20:49 |
| raindodger | Hmm. Hopefully it can be fixed soon. I like updating over Tor | 20:50 |
| raindodger | Anyway, I gotta go to work. I'll catch you guys later | 20:51 |
| ibanja | just upgraded to chimaera... Diodon, the new clipit replacement, isn't saving clips. Anyone else having this problem? | 21:09 |
| plasma41 | I tried adding 'deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-security main' to my sources.list, but I get a 404 when running 'apt-get update'. | 23:56 |
| plasma41 | ping rrq ^ | 23:56 |
| * rrq ping LeePen ^^ :) | 23:58 | |
| Tenkawa | non-released branches don't have security branches yet do they? | 23:59 |
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