| xisop | systemdlete: what do you mean by being locked out of the application? | 00:38 |
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| systemdlete | sorry xisop, was away doing other stuff. Locked out, I mean I try to log in and the application responds by putting me back on the same page, waiting for me to log in. Thus, I am unable to log in. It is as though I am "locked out" of using the application. | 03:04 |
| gnarface | without knowing anything else about the application it just sounds like your session cookies are timing out or getting lost for whatever reason | 03:08 |
| gnarface | i assume you can log right back in and it's fine for a while? | 03:09 |
| gnarface | one thing to test is try to just keep clicking on nav elements to see if that keeps you logged in until you stop clicking | 03:10 |
| gnarface | if no to either of those, something deeper may be wrong | 03:10 |
| adhoc | systemdlete: how is the apache app being hosted? | 03:12 |
| adhoc | we are talking about the apache web server ? | 03:13 |
| systemdlete | No, I can't log in when this happens. That's the whole point. I mean, I try to enter my user and pass at the applicatin's log in page, but it just keeps refreshing that page as if I had done nothing. The only remedy seems to be restart apache. | 03:13 |
| systemdlete | There are no nav elements on the login page. Just a couple of input fields for user and pass. | 03:13 |
| adhoc | if so, one of the bigget dramas I have had with it is running it on a filesystem with no atime or on NFS | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | apache app is hosted locally (yes the web server) | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | Running off local ext4 fs. | 03:14 |
| adhoc | so, caching, cookies feel like the most likely candidates here? | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | not sure about atime. But it is very random. | 03:14 |
| adhoc | do you have plugins/extentions in the browser that mangle/ignore cookies or maodify the headers ? | 03:15 |
| adhoc | login systems are very dependant on cookies n crap | 03:15 |
| adhoc | next thought, is it dependant on external javascript, are you blocking any with browser plugins ? | 03:16 |
| systemdlete | I have tried deleting cookies and even going as far as restarting the browser. They don't help. | 03:16 |
| systemdlete | Yes, it certainly does seem like caching or cookies, but I have tried to clear them with no luck. | 03:16 |
| adhoc | what is the backend app ? | 03:17 |
| systemdlete | there are some plugins, but if those are the problem, why isn't the behavior consistent? | 03:19 |
| adhoc | systemdlete: hahahahaha | 03:19 |
| adhoc | because web apps =( | 03:19 |
| systemdlete | yeah... | 03:19 |
| adhoc | systemdlete: you have control over the web app server ? | 03:19 |
| adhoc | and can inspect the logs ? | 03:20 |
| systemdlete | Yes, this is my own system | 03:20 |
| adhoc | i assume the broswer and server are on separate machines ? | 03:20 |
| systemdlete | I've inspected the logs. I've asked the support at #thruk for help. I'm waiting to see if the additoinal loggin I've enabled will help next time it spuriously and randomly arises. | 03:20 |
| systemdlete | no, same system | 03:20 |
| adhoc | you hitting an internal interface or an external interface ? | 03:21 |
| systemdlete | they should call them "bowsers," not "browsers," because they are all so dog slow | 03:21 |
| systemdlete | no. | 03:21 |
| systemdlete | well | 03:21 |
| adhoc | xor | 03:21 |
| systemdlete | maybe the lo interface | 03:21 |
| systemdlete | but there shouldn't be any traffic going out of here | 03:21 |
| adhoc | ok, any rules on your iptables that might affect how that operates ? | 03:22 |
| systemdlete | if that were the case, then again, I'd expect consistent denial behavior. | 03:22 |
| systemdlete | I think the weirdest part is the inconsistency actually. | 03:23 |
| adhoc | these kind of events are the hardest to diagnose | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | It seems to happen intermittently every few days or so, but no exact pattern. Sometimes a day or so, others a week or so. | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | yes! | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | All one can do is put lots of traps in place and hope you catch it next time it happens. | 03:24 |
| adhoc | indeed. | 03:25 |
| adhoc | run a packet trace with something like wireshark or tcpdump on a good session | 03:26 |
| adhoc | then when it fails, you can then do it again | 03:26 |
| adhoc | and compare | 03:26 |
| adhoc | meeting, BBL =) | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | good idea, thanks | 03:35 |
| Kingsy | av6: you around?[3~ | 11:09 |
| Kingsy | wellk to anyone else that might know. I have installed pipewire and have it running along with pipewire-pulse, when I open chrome and play some sound I get this -> E][000000717.561302][stream.c:319 stream_set_state()] stream 0x55b5b86d10c0: error no node available <- how can I debug this? is there a gui mixer available nor something? Whats the best approach? | 11:14 |
| crhylove | Anybody get Wine to work well in Daedalus? | 11:47 |
| crhylove | @Kingsy try to install PulseAudio Volume Control. Solved lots of my audio issues. | 11:47 |
| brocashelm | crhylove: i installed winehq's packages and they're mostly stable for me | 11:49 |
| brocashelm | just can't get midi to work on programs, but i've tried and gave up | 11:49 |
| crhylove | @brocashelm, which ones? I've been trying to install the up to date ones.... | 11:49 |
| brocashelm | crhylove: if you're using daedalus, use the bookwork repo from winehq: https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian | 11:50 |
| crhylove | Thanks. Going there now.... | 11:50 |
| brocashelm | crhylove: i use the devel version as i like living on the edge (ymmv), but it does work for me and i'm using ceres | 11:50 |
| brocashelm | np | 11:50 |
| crhylove | Should I add bookworm or bullseye? | 11:52 |
| crhylove | For Daedalus? | 11:52 |
| brocashelm | bookworm | 11:56 |
| brocashelm | that matches your distro | 11:56 |
| crhylove | Cool. That's the one I did. :D | 11:56 |
| brocashelm | (testing) | 11:56 |
| crhylove | I'm trying devel as well. | 11:56 |
| crhylove | :D | 11:56 |
| brocashelm | nice | 11:56 |
| brocashelm | werks on my machine (tm) | 11:56 |
| crhylove | I'm rendering my little Daedalus review now in kdenlive | 11:57 |
| brocashelm | with wine, feels good to use paint98/paintxp, not gonna lie | 11:57 |
| brocashelm | oh cool. post it here when it's ready | 11:57 |
| crhylove | Will do! | 11:57 |
| crhylove | My main work appimages are running great! | 11:58 |
| crhylove | :D | 11:58 |
| brocashelm | perfect | 11:58 |
| crhylove | Wine Mono Installer running.... | 11:58 |
| crhylove | Promising sign. | 11:59 |
| Kingsy | crhylove: even when using pipewire? everything will just be empty? | 12:02 |
| crhylove | Hrrmmmm Sorry, don't know about pipewire. | 12:03 |
| crhylove | Got Wine Working Great! | 12:47 |
| crhylove | It's at 15%, but should be done uploading and processing in about 20 minutes. I'm off to bed! Night all! | 12:54 |
| crhylove | https://youtu.be/k6gu8vHc0fU | 12:54 |
| gopher22 | hello, very quick and very n00b question from someone coming from other distros. how does one start/stop/disable a service under Devuan? systemctl is not available, and with the service command it is not possible to disable a service. rc-update does not work either... (?) | 14:23 |
| rrq | use "update-rc.d" to disable (and enable), and user "service" or the script itself to start and stop | 14:25 |
| gopher22 | @rrd got it, thanks | 14:27 |
| gopher22 | sorry, @rrq :) | 14:27 |
| onefang | sysv-rc-conf works well. | 14:28 |
| gopher22 | that one seems to be not available by default: command not found | 14:29 |
| onefang | True, you have to install it. | 14:30 |
| av6 | Kingsy: pipewire has its own protocol, which very few support yet, but if you run pipewire-pulse in addition to regular pipewire, you can use any volume control and application that supports pulseaudio | 14:31 |
| av6 | just make sure that you have pipewire, pipewire-pulse and (wireplumber|pipewire-media-session) running | 14:32 |
| gopher22 | cool, cool. one last thing that I just noticed: sysv-rc-conf disable servicename, ok fair enough, but update-rc.d remove servicename, apparently does... as it does not give any feedback | 14:32 |
| Kingsy | When is Ceres scheduled for release to stable? | 14:32 |
| Kingsy | av6: thanks | 14:32 |
| av6 | pavucontrol lets you see simple controls, but you can also look at the graph like `pw-jack qjackctl` (because yes, pipewire can also work with jack applications) | 14:33 |
| rrq | onefang: I'm not sure sysv-rc-conf is well intergrated with "insserv" which is what the "modern" sysvinit seems to use | 14:33 |
| onefang | sysv-rc-conf has always worked well for me. | 14:34 |
| rrq | are you saying that it is indeed intergrated? | 14:36 |
| onefang | I dunno about insserv, I'm saying that sysv-rc-conf works for me. insserv is yet another way of doing it? | 14:38 |
| onefang | Ah insserv deals with other parts of the init system. | 14:39 |
| rrq | afaik insserv is what the boot system uses nowadays to organise the boot sequence to allow for parallism between independent sub sequences | 14:40 |
| onefang | sysv-rc-conf depends on sysv-rc which depends on insserv. So perhaps sysv-rc-conf calls insserv indirectly? | 14:41 |
| onefang | startpar is what deals with the parallel booting, also part of this dependency tree. | 14:42 |
| Kingsy | av6: what do you think it means when you have pipewire running, and pipewire-pulse, and you play an audio stream and it plays through say my headphones. but when you open pauvcontrol it doesnt show up in "Playback" ? | 14:44 |
| av6 | it's using something else, alsa, pulse, jack, etc | 14:44 |
| Kingsy | my experience with audio is honestly so frustrating.. nothing just "works" | 14:45 |
| av6 | well, your headphones just work | 14:45 |
| av6 | not like you'd want them, but they do, don't they? | 14:46 |
| Kingsy | but what if I wanted to switch to laptop speakers? | 14:46 |
| Kingsy | I have no idea what service is handling the audio stream. | 14:46 |
| av6 | that would depend on your sound chip, some might not have a way to switch to speakers when headphones are plugged in | 14:47 |
| Kingsy | av6: I can. when the stream appears in pavucontrol I can switch when I like. | 14:47 |
| av6 | try using mpv with --ao=pulse vs --ao=alsa | 14:48 |
| Kingsy | ok | 14:48 |
| av6 | oh, you do see things in pavucontrol? then you'll have to make specific applications use pipewire-pulse to control their audio | 14:49 |
| Kingsy | av6: i do, but only sometimes. | 14:49 |
| Kingsy | for example chromium nappears in pavucontrol. ncmpcpp doesnt | 14:49 |
| av6 | maybe mpd starts before you start pipewire | 14:50 |
| av6 | and happily keeps using alsa | 14:50 |
| Kingsy | naaa I just rebooted mopidy (which is what I am using for mpd and it didnt help) perhaps it needs to be told to use pullse. | 14:51 |
| Kingsy | ok after restarting mopidy.. I have no sound at all... | 14:52 |
| Kingsy | *sigh* | 14:52 |
| Kingsy | ah ok this makes more sense. it doesnt use pulse by default. | 14:53 |
| golinux | Kingsy: Ceres will never be released to "stable" because it it "Unstable" (Sid) | 18:34 |
| golinux | See https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 18:34 |
| brocashelm | crhylove: i checked out the video. you were looking for dolphin-emu, but it appears it's only available in ceres, beowulf, and ascii. i would just install the deb | 20:32 |
| crhylove | @brocashelm, Got it installed already. Had to manually find the dependency debs too. | 22:16 |
| crhylove | Works better in Devuan than Mint: Higher FPS. | 22:16 |
| brocashelm | nice | 22:22 |
| brocashelm | i'd be curious what your thoughts are on ceres should you switch over. the plus side is you'll never have to change to a different codename ever again (since unstable isn't a release) and you'll still get some updates during the freeze | 22:23 |
| crhylove | So Ceres is a rolling release? | 22:35 |
| brocashelm | ceres is sid | 22:45 |
| brocashelm | updates will keep coming and you only need one repo (instead of -updates, -security, etc.) | 22:46 |
| crhylove | Ahhhh I like that idea. | 23:03 |
| crhylove | How terrible would it be to install flatpak on Devuan? Would that import a ton of garbage? | 23:04 |
| peterrooney | crhylove: i thought it was included | 23:09 |
| lunario | when i have a minimal installation of devuan with no gui, how can i poweroff an external harddrive over the commandline? spindown (based on the udisks2 package, i think) won't work | 23:13 |
| lunario | ah, i should be more precise here: i did install udisks2, and after a reboot the spindown command also was available. but right after installation, when i wanted to poweroff the external drive (so that there is no brute shutdown during reboot) it was not available | 23:15 |
| peterrooney | lunario: Last external SCSI I had was ~15 years ago? I can't recall seeing spindown on a usb drive since...never. | 23:18 |
| lunario | well, you can hear the external harddrive spinning when it is plugged in, even after being unmounted. | 23:27 |
| brocashelm | crhylove: no idea, as i don't use flatpaks. what packages are you trying to install? | 23:31 |
| brocashelm | crhylove: the packages i'm seeing if i wanted to install flatpak via apt are: flatpak libappstream-glib8 libmalcontent-0-0 libostree-1-1 libstemmer0d | 23:33 |
| crhylove | Nothing specific. Just playing around. :) | 23:33 |
| brocashelm | ah | 23:37 |
| brocashelm | generally speaking, almost anything that applies to debian would apply to devuan sans systemd and packages that depend on it (like network-manager and dbus) | 23:38 |
| golinux | crhylove: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 23:41 |
| brocashelm | moreover, packages like network-manager and dbus are forked (you will know this when you see "devuan" in the version, such as 1.36.4-2devuan1 for ceres' network-manager). as long as you use /merged instead of /devuan in your sources.list, you'll get debian packages minus the banned ones (devuan's forks will replace them when they are available), thanks to amprolla | 23:45 |
| brocashelm | packages like eject, udisks2, init-system-helpers, dnscrypt-proxy, openvpn, etc. are forked by devuan so that their functionality is not affected by not having systemd installed | 23:49 |
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