| gnarface | treeofknowledge: figure it out? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | if you can log in as root anywhere there should still be numerous ways to do this | 00:01 |
| gnarface | you don't need to be in rescue mode | 00:01 |
| xrogaan | hu oh | 00:10 |
| gnarface | i think part of the issue is that passwd prompts you as your own user to type the old password to change it, people may not know that if you're root it doesn't ask you for the old password first | 00:12 |
| xrogaan | yeh | 00:14 |
| xrogaan | hope they're ok | 00:15 |
| treeofknowledge | I figured it out thank you gnarface | 00:17 |
| treeofknowledge | i had to set an expiration with the --expire | 00:17 |
| treeofknowledge | so i could change it on the gui login | 00:17 |
| treeofknowledge | changing it in the terminal wasn't updating it in the gui login screen | 00:17 |
| gnarface | interesting, ok | 00:17 |
| treeofknowledge | which is weird | 00:17 |
| treeofknowledge | but i got it working tthank you! | 00:17 |
| gnarface | weird, yea. which gui login is that? | 00:18 |
| gnarface | there are several | 00:18 |
| gnarface | (i don't use them for the most part) | 00:18 |
| treeofknowledge | So i replaced the ro quiet with a different command and logged into the terminal there, then i set passwd --expire username | 00:19 |
| treeofknowledge | and changed my password on the regular login screen | 00:20 |
| treeofknowledge | the ctrl + alt + f1 doesn't work on the login screen :O | 00:20 |
| treeofknowledge | maybe thats new for the chimera or something idk | 00:20 |
| xrogaan | ... | 00:27 |
| xrogaan | Can people read me at all? | 00:27 |
| gnarface | well i want to know if ctrl+alt+F2 was tried, because on some versions F1 is already considered "in use" | 00:30 |
| gnarface | but also the "don't zap" X11 config option may be the default in some cases... now we'll never know what the real problem is | 00:31 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: linux administration is sortof a fire test for reading comprehension and possibly one of the biggest barriers to entry still | 00:31 |
| treeofknowledge | crap my lenovo think pad doesn't have the sound drivers installed after install devuan | 01:09 |
| treeofknowledge | how can i solve this lol | 01:09 |
| treeofknowledge | :o | 01:09 |
| gnarface | all the drivers are installed, i guarantee that... you're missing something else | 01:10 |
| gnarface | probably packages related to alsa or pulseaudio | 01:10 |
| gnarface | the drivers are with the kernel in one big package, they are not installed individually, but you may be missing userspace programs or in some rare cases a firmware package | 01:11 |
| gnarface | though i'm puzzled how you could have gotten a graphical login without those being automatically included.... | 01:12 |
| gnarface | what type of soundcard is it? | 01:12 |
| gnarface | OH, but if you're coming from debian you might just need to add yourself to the "audio" group, which used to also be a requirement in debian but not since they changed to systemd | 01:13 |
| treeofknowledge | i came from linux mint | 01:13 |
| treeofknowledge | i'm using an ideal pad 3 | 01:13 |
| treeofknowledge | let me look up sound card | 01:13 |
| gnarface | as your user, run "groups" in a terminal to see if you're in the audio group | 01:14 |
| treeofknowledge | yes i am in there | 01:18 |
| treeofknowledge | damn | 01:18 |
| treeofknowledge | it did say it was missing a driver during the setup lol | 01:18 |
| treeofknowledge | i should've written it down | 01:18 |
| treeofknowledge | fuck | 01:19 |
| treeofknowledge | it said intel | 01:19 |
| treeofknowledge | i thought it would be fine lol | 01:19 |
| treeofknowledge | xD | 01:19 |
| treeofknowledge | it says dummy audio under sound setting | 01:21 |
| rwp | During installation these days on almost every hardware there are almost always warnings about drivers needed. | 01:23 |
| rwp | Most of the time those can be ignored and will be filled in later. | 01:24 |
| rwp | However most commonly the sound is simply muted after an installation and needing to unmute it in order to hear something a very common problem. | 01:24 |
| rwp | Also if you run "dmesg" you can review the kernel message queue. You can look at /var/log/boot for more information. | 01:25 |
| treeofknowledge | ok give me one second it showed some erros | 01:28 |
| treeofknowledge | errors | 01:28 |
| gnarface | treeofknowledge: was mint using a newer kernel version than the devuan you installed? | 01:33 |
| treeofknowledge | no | 01:34 |
| treeofknowledge | here is the error | 01:34 |
| treeofknowledge | firmware failed: failed to load intel/sof/sof/-tgl.ri | 01:34 |
| treeofknowledge | actually it was using a newer kernal | 01:34 |
| treeofknowledge | it was like 5.13.0.39 | 01:35 |
| treeofknowledge | how can i install that one xD | 01:35 |
| gnarface | try the backports kernel first, it might be new enough | 01:35 |
| gnarface | i thought that the only soundcards that required an extra firmware package were the newer Creative Labs ones | 01:35 |
| gnarface | but it is possible your laptop is newer than the drivers in the stable kernel | 01:36 |
| xrogaan | make sure you have firmware-intel-sound installed | 01:36 |
| gnarface | intel ones need firmware now too? really? | 01:37 |
| gnarface | treeofknowledge: try what xrogaan said first | 01:37 |
| treeofknowledge | yes will open synaptic and try | 01:37 |
| gnarface | looks like you might need to enable non-free repos either way | 01:37 |
| treeofknowledge | its not installed we'll see if it works | 01:37 |
| treeofknowledge | i should restart right? | 01:38 |
| xrogaan | firmware-sof-signed: /lib/firmware/intel/sof/sof-tgl.ri | 01:38 |
| gnarface | also in non-free | 01:38 |
| gnarface | treeofknowledge: maybe not but restarting for this is easiest | 01:38 |
| gnarface | looks like you need firmware-sof-signed actually though | 01:39 |
| xrogaan | Debian and their packages, am I right? | 01:39 |
| gnarface | this is news to me that intel has non-wifi firmware in non-free | 01:39 |
| xrogaan | The file was in intel-sound, but it eventually migrated elsewhere | 01:40 |
| treeofknowledge | ok i will install that one gnar | 01:40 |
| treeofknowledge | still getting error | 01:43 |
| gnarface | treeofknowledge: certainly after installing firmware-sof-signed and rebooting, that one firmware error went away or changed, didn't it? | 01:44 |
| treeofknowledge | i can't login to hexchat on my laptop :/ | 01:45 |
| treeofknowledge | i want to post it here | 01:45 |
| gnarface | can you get to paste.debian.net? | 01:45 |
| treeofknowledge | https://pastebin.com/a3UWLA5A | 01:47 |
| treeofknowledge | i posted it here | 01:48 |
| gnarface | >:( pastebin has ads! | 01:48 |
| gnarface | i said paste.debian.net | 01:48 |
| treeofknowledge | lol | 01:48 |
| treeofknowledge | don't u use vpn and ublock? | 01:48 |
| treeofknowledge | let me repost | 01:49 |
| gnarface | no, i just don't click on everything | 01:49 |
| gnarface | also, a vpn on its own will not protect you from the ads | 01:50 |
| treeofknowledge | https://paste.debian.net/1245113/ | 01:51 |
| treeofknowledge | mullvad.net will | 01:51 |
| treeofknowledge | 16.633982] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: use msi interrupt mode | 01:52 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721666] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: hda codecs found, mask 5 | 01:52 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721670] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: using HDA machine driver skl_hda_dsp_generic now | 01:52 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721678] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: DMICs detected in NHLT tables: 2 | 01:52 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721872] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: firmware: failed to load intel/sof/sof-tgl.ri (-2) | 01:52 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721935] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: Direct firmware load for intel/sof/sof-tgl.ri failed with error -2 | 01:52 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721939] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: error: request firmware intel/sof/sof-tgl.ri failed err: -2 | 01:53 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.721987] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: error: failed to load DSP firmware -2 | 01:53 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 16.722605] sof-audio-pci 0000:00:1f.3: error: sof_probe_work failed err: -2 | 01:53 |
| treeofknowledge | that's one red error | 01:53 |
| treeofknowledge | 15.862349] udevd[593]: could not read from '/sys/module/pcc_cpufreq/initstate': No such device | 01:53 |
| treeofknowledge | another | 01:53 |
| gnarface | odd, it should have that firmware now | 01:53 |
| gnarface | you might need the newer kernel | 01:53 |
| gnarface | there might be newer firmware packages in backports to go with it | 01:54 |
| treeofknowledge | 15.285937] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/tgl_dmc_ver2_08.bin (-2) | 01:54 |
| treeofknowledge | [ 15.285940] firmware_class: See https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for information about missing firmware | 01:54 |
| gnarface | that looks like a separate one | 01:55 |
| treeofknowledge | w:/ | 01:56 |
| treeofknowledge | i wanted to avoid systemd on my wife's laptop and now she has no sound damn lol | 01:56 |
| treeofknowledge | :/ | 01:56 |
| gnarface | don't give up yet | 01:56 |
| gnarface | one thing | 01:56 |
| gnarface | you might need to run "update-initramfs" (as root) to get it to see those drivers at boot time | 01:57 |
| gnarface | try it and reboot then see if the first error goes away | 01:57 |
| gnarface | none of this has to do with systemd, from what you've shown us so far there's still no reason to believe it's not kernel version or install-time package selection related, both of which should be fixable | 01:58 |
| treeofknowledge | reboot | 01:59 |
| treeofknowledge | rebooting | 01:59 |
| treeofknowledge | devuan fuck yeah! | 02:01 |
| treeofknowledge | thanks guys it worked | 02:01 |
| treeofknowledge | it was the second package | 02:01 |
| treeofknowledge | let me save that name | 02:02 |
| gnarface | you should be able to follow the same method to get rid of the other firmware errors; find the (probably non-free) package, run "update-initramfs" then reboot | 02:02 |
| gnarface | ... if you need to... maybe you're not using that part of the hardware so it doesn't matter, i dunno | 02:02 |
| gnarface | if you do run into a problem where it actually does turn out the kernel is too old, you can get newer kernel and firmware packages both from chimaera-backports | 02:03 |
| treeofknowledge | hmm the sound is low though even with high volume | 02:04 |
| gnarface | volumes could be jacked up in alsamixer separately from pavucontrol | 02:04 |
| gnarface | usually that's not related to firmware | 02:04 |
| treeofknowledge | how do i do that? | 02:05 |
| gnarface | hmm, i avoid pulseaudio but i think, try this as root: pasuspender -- alsamixer | 02:06 |
| gnarface | compare that to the view of "alsamixer" without pasuspender, and then if it's different you know you're looking at the real hardware controls then | 02:06 |
| gnarface | in general for output, you want to max the volume settings in alsamixer if you're using pulseaudio | 02:06 |
| gnarface | if that doesn't work you have to put "autospawn = no" in (i think) ~/.pulse/client.conf and then kill pulseaudio | 02:08 |
| gnarface | ... just temporarily while you set the alsamixer volumes; it's something you will only really have to do once | 02:09 |
| gnarface | these changes will not require a reboot | 02:09 |
| gnarface | though previously i couldn't figure out how to properly relaunch pulseaudio in user mode without logging out | 02:09 |
| treeofknowledge | the volume is the same in both | 02:12 |
| treeofknowledge | i ahve another annoying problem lol | 02:15 |
| treeofknowledge | when i have a window open on my wife's desktop it doesn't show it on the desktop panel | 02:15 |
| treeofknowledge | and i installed it from the same usb as i did my other laptop and desktop | 02:15 |
| treeofknowledge | any reason why this ahppens? | 02:15 |
| treeofknowledge | i rebooteded twice without resolution | 02:16 |
| gnarface | yea, different video card brand or at least generation, usually | 02:16 |
| gnarface | driver support completeness is not ubiquitous | 02:17 |
| gnarface | even within brands | 02:17 |
| treeofknowledge | well the laptop is newer | 02:18 |
| treeofknowledge | 11th gen intel core i5-1135G& processor | 02:18 |
| treeofknowledge | 11th gen intel core i5-1135G7 processor | 02:18 |
| gnarface | well start with video card brand. both nvidia and newer AMD/ATi cards more often also need extra non-free packages to get the most functionality available | 02:19 |
| treeofknowledge | it's using processor graphics | 02:19 |
| treeofknowledge | Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics | 02:20 |
| gnarface | both of them, you're sure? | 02:20 |
| treeofknowledge | https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/208658/intel-core-i51135g7-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-20-ghz.html | 02:20 |
| gnarface | how about the displays? anything weird about the display? | 02:20 |
| treeofknowledge | yes it even has a sticker on my laptop | 02:20 |
| treeofknowledge | no its normal display | 02:20 |
| gnarface | nothing different about the xorg.conf? | 02:21 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm misunderstanding the problem | 02:22 |
| gnarface | maybe the window just got off the side of the screen somehow? alt+tab does nothing? which window manager did you say again? | 02:22 |
| treeofknowledge | so on the desktop panel when you oepn a window it doesn't even show its opened instead i must uses tab plus alt to look for it, if i click a pinned icon it opens a new window lol | 02:23 |
| treeofknowledge | instead of going back to the old one | 02:23 |
| treeofknowledge | its fine | 02:25 |
| treeofknowledge | i think its the graphics card | 02:25 |
| treeofknowledge | anyway youtube videos play fine | 02:26 |
| treeofknowledge | its not a big deal | 02:26 |
| treeofknowledge | what's a good software to install to raise the volume ? | 02:26 |
| treeofknowledge | i use to use pulseaudio pauvcontrol | 02:26 |
| gnarface | no no | 02:27 |
| gnarface | wait i understand the window problem now and that definitely doesn't sound like a driver problem, that sounds way more like a config problem with the actual programs, locally | 02:28 |
| gnarface | read the part i said about the audio thing again | 02:28 |
| gnarface | i gave you something to try, it looks complicated but you should only have to figure it out once | 02:29 |
| treeofknowledge | what settings? I didn't change anything for the display | 02:39 |
| gnarface | yea but different kernel version, different kernel build by a different distro, means they might have shipped different volume defaults | 02:41 |
| gnarface | a massive amount of complaints about alsa boil down to the defaults | 02:41 |
| gnarface | just check it | 02:41 |
| gnarface | if not, the only other thing that could cause that is the kernel version itself | 02:41 |
| treeofknowledge | i am using higher sound now with pauvcontrol lol | 02:42 |
| treeofknowledge | i also amplified sound using the sound settings | 02:42 |
| pablomobile | Hi, usually I download the latest debian-installer from http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debian-installer/ but don't know how to verify its integrity | 02:42 |
| gnarface | program settings or window-manager settings specific to certain windows might also make a certain program only appear by default on one desktop even if it's not the desktop you're on | 02:43 |
| pablomobile | For example, I downloaded debian-installer_20210731+deb11u3devuan1, but with apt source debian-installer, that I assume is a verified download (becouse it's apt) downloads an older version | 02:43 |
| gnarface | pablomobile: get it from here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/ | 02:44 |
| pablomobile | gnarface: Sorry, I need the source tar.gz and dsc file to build custom mini.isos | 02:45 |
| pablomobile | gnarface: I have patches to build isos compatible with serial-console installations | 02:46 |
| rrq | See the meta files, eg, http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ceres/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | 02:47 |
| pablomobile | rrq: OK, thanks! | 02:47 |
| gnarface | treeofknowledge: and if you just compensate with pavucontrol volume you it might degrade audio quality, but if you don't really notice anything then it doesn't matter | 02:48 |
| gnarface | treeofknowledge: can you also check if that program that always appears off screen has any sticky settings associated with the window itself? keep in mind all the window managers are different | 02:48 |
| rrq | pablomobile: you might also be more comforted by using https://pkgmaster.devuan.org directly | 02:50 |
| rrq | or https: to your favourite mirror that supports it | 02:51 |
| treeofknowledge | not sure how to do that | 02:52 |
| gnarface | try right-click on the title bar? | 02:52 |
| pablomobile | rrq: Thanks! pkgmaster do the trick | 02:55 |
| pablomobile | rrq: Long life to TLS (I'll check which Packages.gz contains the equivalent of the stable debian-installer in debian) | 02:58 |
| rrq | currently stable -> chimaera for devuan | 03:01 |
| rrq | you may also replace the "ceres" bit of the URL above with "stable" | 03:03 |
| xrogaan | gnarface: shouldn't update-initramfs be called as you install firmwares? | 05:25 |
| gnarface | i would think so but sometimes it just doesn't | 05:42 |
| gnarface | i assume it has to get set in the post-install scripts for individual packages, so by mistake or by choice it is sometimes omitted | 05:44 |
| treeofknowledge | @gnarface are you here> | 06:01 |
| treeofknowledge | guys, i need some help. Do you notice how the image doesn't show the open windows like it usually does i believe its because of my intel gen 11 graphics card the Integrated Intel Iris Xe Graphics | 06:04 |
| treeofknowledge | https://ibb.co/MnP3whB | 06:04 |
| treeofknowledge | check out the link for the image plz help | 06:04 |
| treeofknowledge | i think i might need to try a newer kernal because right now i am using 5.10.0.15 and with linux mint i was using 5.13.0.39 | 06:05 |
| treeofknowledge | this problem is annoying because i can't see which windows i ahve open and if i click on firefox multiple times it will open multiple firefox windows instead of going to the one that's already open | 06:07 |
| rrq | treeofknowledge: I'd say all that are user settings .. nothing with kernel or graphics | 06:12 |
| treeofknowledge | but i didn't change the user settings :/ | 06:12 |
| treeofknowledge | it's like that by default | 06:12 |
| rrq | maybe. which "desktop environment": is it? | 06:13 |
| treeofknowledge | i'm using cinnamon on two laptops | 06:13 |
| treeofknowledge | the asus one is working perfect | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | the newer lenovo idea pad 3 isn't | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | and i installed it from the same usb | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | with the default settings | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | i didn't even mess with it | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | so im thining its the graphics driver thats old or something | 06:14 |
| rrq | and a new /hom/user on the lenovo ? | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | i mean too old for the new hard ware | 06:14 |
| treeofknowledge | same user | 06:15 |
| treeofknowledge | i recovered password | 06:15 |
| rrq | ? new /home/user directory or did you apss on settings from an existing directory? | 06:15 |
| treeofknowledge | yeah new home user from the fresh install | 06:15 |
| rrq | ok | 06:15 |
| treeofknowledge | i did it exactly like i did witth my asus laptop | 06:16 |
| treeofknowledge | except my asus doesn't have this issue | 06:16 |
| treeofknowledge | lol | 06:16 |
| treeofknowledge | weird variation XD | 06:16 |
| rrq | same cinnamon versions? | 06:16 |
| treeofknowledge | i even tried switched the desktop theme from the default options | 06:16 |
| treeofknowledge | and nothing | 06:16 |
| treeofknowledge | yes exactly the same | 06:17 |
| treeofknowledge | i checked that already | 06:17 |
| treeofknowledge | 4.8.6 | 06:17 |
| treeofknowledge | i also ran sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade and restarted a few times | 06:17 |
| rrq | I don't use cinnamon myself.. but an xfce it has panel settings for having or not having window lists | 06:17 |
| treeofknowledge | what's it called | 06:18 |
| rrq | in the "Add itmes" menu they are either "Window buttons" or "window menu" | 06:18 |
| rrq | I right-click on the panel to get the "add items" option | 06:19 |
| treeofknowledge | can u send me a screen shot | 06:19 |
| treeofknowledge | with the link bb.co | 06:19 |
| treeofknowledge | ibb.co | 06:19 |
| rrq | sorry .. emergency here ... biab | 06:20 |
| treeofknowledge | ok | 06:20 |
| treeofknowledge | i just don't see how this would be a problem thought because I didn't mess with the defualt settings lol | 06:20 |
| treeofknowledge | i hope everything is ok with u | 06:20 |
| * rrq ok.. have another 1/2 hour | 06:49 | |
| rrq | so, on xfce, I right-click on the panel to get the "Add items" menu, and that includes thw two options of "window buttons" and "dindow menu" .. I think you would want "window buttons" .. if you have similar options | 06:51 |
| rrq | anyone using cinnamon would be bettter help :) | 06:51 |
| treeofknowledge | i figured it out thx | 06:58 |
| treeofknowledge | i just reset panel to defaults lol | 06:58 |
| deva | I am having problems installing daedalus from the current iso installers (both server and netinstall). It fails when trying to install cron-base and syslog says it fails to find the addgroup command. Is this a known issue? | 13:22 |
| rrq | deva: did you use "expert" install and skipped "load components" ? | 13:45 |
| rrq | probably not.. looks like some new bug | 13:48 |
| rrq | .. happens during the base debootstrap | 13:53 |
| deva | rrq, That is correct. | 13:53 |
| deva | Would it be possible to get access to an older iso for testing? The mirrors only contain the ones from 2022-06-20 | 13:56 |
| rrq | did you try the mini.iso ? | 14:01 |
| deva | rrq, not yet, but I'll give it a go now | 14:13 |
| rrq | alternatively one can do "recovery hands-on" in vt2; essentially install "adduser" package by hand and remove some files, then redo the install base system (on unclean target) | 14:15 |
| deva | rrq, Do you think the apt command should be in a working state inside the root jail at the point of failure? | 14:19 |
| rrq | no, but "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/addusr<tab>" works to install the addgroup binary | 14:20 |
| rrq | need "chroot /target /bin/bash" first (unless your are fine with /bin/sh) | 14:22 |
| rrq | I'm still woring on which files needs to be removed (to not upset re-installation) | 14:24 |
| deva | Simply doing the "install on unclean target" didn't work, but I guess you already know this ;) | 14:26 |
| gour | hello, tried devuan (ceres) few times in the past, but had to return to debian/sid...one problem was https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=36417#p36417, but wonder what is current experiences with apps like telegram/signal/element and zoom which i've to use quite regularly? besides that, had problem permanently setting my default sound device. for the rest i use (neo)vim/claws/taskwarrior/ff | 14:34 |
| gour | etc. which should work quite normally | 14:34 |
| rrq | deva: yes needs to remove installed files as otherwise installing them again fails.. for some of them .. a lot of fiddling :( | 14:44 |
| deva | I have tried doing it manually one file at a time, and I'm afraid I'm almost out of fiddle ;) | 14:45 |
| deva | rrq, The iso you called "mini" is that the netinstall? Because I don't see any isos with the name mini on the server... | 14:47 |
| rrq | not the netinstall; there is a "netboot" iso, but I couldn't find it either ... | 15:30 |
| rrq | got it to work by a) "dpkg -i ../adduser..." then save the /usr/sbin/addgroup script outside target 2) rm -r /target/* and mkdir /target/bin and place addgroup script there 3) continue be again "install base system" | 15:38 |
| rrq | no oops still didn;t work (?) | 15:39 |
| rrq | this is no good :( | 15:40 |
| rrq | my newest earlier daedalus is from dec 2021; I can copy up that to somewhere | 15:42 |
| deva | rrq, the 2021 version would be great. Then I can simply do an install from there and then update the system wafterwsrds. That shoudl give me the same end-result as installing right from the 2022 version. | 16:00 |
| rrq | ok. it's the server iso. needs some 5 minutes more I think | 16:01 |
| deva | rrq, Awesome, thanks :-) | 16:01 |
| rrq | at https://borta.rrq.id.au/download/devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20211213_amd64_server.iso | 16:03 |
| rrq | has a sibling shasum file | 16:04 |
| * deva is downloading | 16:04 | |
| deva | Downloaded and verified. Thanks | 16:08 |
| rrq | you should be able to use network backing for the installation and then get the newest directly | 16:11 |
| deva | rrq, That worked. Thank you very much for your assistance :-) | 16:19 |
| rrq | no worries | 16:29 |
| devuanconsumer | I notice that even though devuan is still, ryzen processor sucks or it's some combo of my motherboard and ryzen 3600. It's very unstable and causes the browser and cinnamon to crash a lot until I put in the previous fix I had in linux mint which was editing the grub to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=assign-busses apicmaintimer idle=poll reboot=cold,hard acpi=ht irqpoll" | 20:43 |
| devuanconsumer | still = stable** | 20:43 |
| devuanconsumer | we'll see if the cinnamon crashing and browser crashing continues :) | 20:44 |
| devuanconsumer | crap the cinnamon desktop crashed again :/ | 20:54 |
| brocashelm | i never had a good experience with cinnamon. you could try mate or xfce if you still want gtk | 20:57 |
| devuanconsumer | hmm | 21:00 |
| devuanconsumer | here's the error | 21:00 |
| devuanconsumer | traps: cinnamon[2563] trap int3 ip:7f9296d97ca7 sp:7ffd23420b80 error:0 in libglib-2.0.so.0.6600.8[7f9296d5b000+88000] | 21:00 |
| devuanconsumer | what does this mean? | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660726] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660760] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660788] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660823] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660855] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660881] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660907] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | [ 0.660934] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 4 5 7 10 11 14 15) *0 | 21:01 |
| devuanconsumer | it seems this is the solution to the cinnamon crashing: I had changed a kernel parameter for my gpu (removed acpibacklight=vendor) and it stopped crashing. As far as I can tell that is a shared library and any number of apps can be the cause of failure. In fact, after adding some applets, it happened again! Good luck trying to figure out what app is the problem. | 21:03 |
| devuanconsumer | does anyone know how to changel this kernal parameter | 21:03 |
| used____ | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=252814 devuanconsumer you may have hw which needs tweaking of various things. | 21:28 |
| used____ | C states in BIOS is one thing apparently. | 21:29 |
| used____ | Probably best to upgrade BIOS to latest if not already so. Imo. | 21:30 |
| devuanconsumer | i already upgraded bios | 21:37 |
| devuanconsumer | what is hw? | 21:38 |
| used____ | hardware. Chipset. | 21:38 |
| devuanconsumer | I tried c states and all those other fixes | 21:38 |
| devuanconsumer | none of them worked except the grub command lol | 21:38 |
| devuanconsumer | i went through various combinations | 21:39 |
| used____ | Ok, then I don't know. Your problem seems to be ACPI PCI related | 21:39 |
| devuanconsumer | in retrospecti should've used those 50-60 hours to sell ryzen and buy an intel and new motherboard lol | 21:39 |
| devuanconsumer | do you know how to fix that? | 21:39 |
| devuanconsumer | the ACPI PCI | 21:40 |
| devuanconsumer | this is what i read online | 21:40 |
| devuanconsumer | I also have Ryzen 5 3600 and Gigabyte X570. You can't simply "refresh cpu cores info for OS after system boot" because it's not a boot problem. This is a power management problem that's probably because Linux kernel v5.4 ACPI features were not compatible with Ryzen Zen architecture. So Linux did not know whether a CPU core is idle or not and sometimes issued commands to shut it down when it's doing some work. That results in applications | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | crash randomly, especially desktop GUI apps and video-related processes that require parallel processing. | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | When using "acpi=off", we explicitly told the kernel to disable all power management features. So that effectively disabled multi-core usage because the OS has no way to manage them. | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | so that's why i am using acpi=ht apparently it worked for one guy with a ryzen 3600 | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | haven't found anything better since | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | tried this too: | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | BIOS Settings (Overclocking [bottom of page] > CPU Features: | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | ·Global C State Control: Disabled | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | ·IOMMU: Enabled (already tried) | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | ·AMD Cool n’ Quiet : Disabled | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | ·Power Supply Idle Control: Typical Current Idle (that disable C6 states) | 21:41 |
| devuanconsumer | in the bios without success | 21:42 |
| devuanconsumer | now i just add the grub command above because that seems to solve it | 21:42 |
| devuanconsumer | i tried many different combinations of grub commands lol | 21:42 |
| used____ | I would try pci=nobios kernel param | 21:44 |
| devuanconsumer | never tried that before | 21:48 |
| devuanconsumer | would that disable bios settings completely? | 21:48 |
| devuanconsumer | its only | 21:48 |
| devuanconsumer | pci=nobios | 21:48 |
| devuanconsumer | correct? | 21:48 |
| devuanconsumer | without the kernal param | 21:48 |
| devuanconsumer | i'll try it with my own settings for like 2 weeks to see if i get random freezes | 21:50 |
| devuanconsumer | then i'll try it with that one | 21:50 |
| devuanconsumer | thanks! | 21:50 |
| devuanconsumer | any one here use v4l-utils? I'm having trouble installing it on devuan | 22:22 |
| devuanconsumer | the steps don't work because the dependencies don't install lol | 22:23 |
| devuanconsumer | https://git.linuxtv.org/v4l-utils.git/about/ | 22:23 |
| devuanconsumer | https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/V4l-utils | 22:23 |
| devuanconsumer | if i can't install v4l-utils, how do you guys adjust webcam settings such as brightness and zoom | 22:41 |
| gnarface | there's no reason v4l-utils shouldn't install in the stable release, but uvcdynctrl might also work with some cameras | 23:14 |
| gnarface | the backports kernel might also be less crashy | 23:17 |
| gnarface | but if you're having v4l-utils fail to install you gotta figure out what you did to cause that first | 23:17 |
| devuanconsumer | ok thanks | 23:26 |
| devuanconsumer | can you help me adjust fan speed | 23:26 |
| devuanconsumer | none of these options seem to work | 23:26 |
| devuanconsumer | https://securitronlinux.com/debian-testing/how-to-enable-nvidia-fan-control-on-ubuntu-20-04-this-is-very-easy/ | 23:26 |
| gnarface | i was under the impression that with modern hardware you don't adjust the fan speed anymore | 23:45 |
| gnarface | nvidia blocked that years ago | 23:46 |
| gnarface | with both hardware changes and litigation | 23:46 |
| gnarface | in theory your motherboard bios might have fan speed profiles you can select from but that's it, it's all auto-managed past that point unless you enable dangerous hacks | 23:47 |
| gnarface | any exceptions would be in the nvidia-settings control panel but last i used it i don't recall such features present | 23:48 |
| devuanconsumer | in linux mint i was able to adjust the fan speed in the nvidia-settings under thermal settings but now the option isn't there | 23:52 |
| devuanconsumer | in devuan | 23:52 |
| gnarface | interesting... could be related to the version of your nvidia drivers or nvidia-settings itself | 23:57 |
| gnarface | those are something you may also want to get from backports | 23:57 |
| gnarface | this is chimaera, right? ... or did you say you were upgrading to daedalus? | 23:57 |
| gnarface | only other thing i can think of is maybe some cpu frequency scaling governor or temperature sensor modules failed to auto-load for you | 23:59 |
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