| MetaYan | Where's a good place to report issues or contribute changes to the Live builds? (Chimaera and Daedalus) | 11:22 |
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| gnarface | hang out and talk to fsmithred | 11:27 |
| gnarface | officially, bugs go to bugs.devuan.org | 11:27 |
| gnarface | oh, there's also code at git.devuan.org but i'm not sure if the live image builds are hosted there or not | 11:44 |
| MetaYan | gnarface: Alright, thanks. | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | MetaYan, what did you have in mind? | 12:44 |
| spine-o-saurus | im getting some strange issue with custom kernel install where the desktop latency freezes for like .3sec every few seconds, what would cause that? the kernel config is same from known good install too | 12:53 |
| joerg | smells like IO, particularly USB being somewhat notorious for such effects | 13:41 |
| joerg | though any other IO might be the culprit too, I seen this from storage-IO encountering transmission errors, from WLAN, even from BT, under certain unusual conditions | 13:43 |
| joerg | check your swap | 13:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | iotop is useful tool too | 13:46 |
| joerg | I _think_ iotop only shows bytecount (per time) of successful reads/writes to regular devices, I'm not sure if it even takes buffering into account. Relatively sure about it not monitoring swap, and for sure doesn't count write errors etc | 13:52 |
| joerg | actually htop might be more useful for this issue | 13:54 |
| joerg | sort by PU | 13:54 |
| joerg | sort by %CPU | 13:54 |
| Guest23 | i write: | 13:58 |
| Guest23 | grub-install /dev/sda | 13:58 |
| Guest23 | terminal: | 13:58 |
| Guest23 | Installing for i386-pc platform. | 13:58 |
| Guest23 | grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'. | 13:58 |
| Guest23 | How to install without errors? | 13:58 |
| joerg | this sounds related? https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,2594.0.html | 14:15 |
| Guest23 | joerg, grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB | 14:21 |
| Guest23 | Installing for x86_64-efi platform. | 14:21 |
| Guest23 | grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/boot/efi'. | 14:21 |
| joerg | sorry I lack context, so I only can guess what might help. I also found this https://over.wiki/ask/usr-sbin-grub-probe-error-failed-to-get-canonical-path-of-overlay/ | 14:22 |
| joerg | maybe just do a google search for "grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'." yourself and check which of the hits matches your situation | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | if it's uefi, then just run 'grub-install' (do not specify the drive) | 14:25 |
| fsmithred | Guest23, is your efi partition mounted properly? | 14:25 |
| joerg | hi fsmithred | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | hi | 14:29 |
| Guest23 | joerg, Is it possible to install grub from scratch on a fat32 partition on an hdd? (I don't have UEFI) | 14:33 |
| joerg | Guest23: ask fsmithred, I'm basically a "noob" | 14:33 |
| djph | Guest23: grub would normally be installed to the drive's MBR rather than a partition on said drive. | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | Guest23, what are you trying to do? | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | yeah, MBR, and a grub directory with grub.cfg and a few other things on a linux partition. | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if that works on fat32. | 14:35 |
| djph | fsmithred: isn't that typically part of /boot? | 14:36 |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:37 |
| djph | which on a BIOS install would be on "/" ... right? (it's been too long since I've had sufficiently small disks on my BIOS machine to remember) | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | you could have /boot as part of the root filesystem or you could have it on a separate partition. | 14:39 |
| Guest23 | fsmithred, Now I have windows boot loader installed. This bootloader is modified via EasyBCD. | 14:40 |
| Guest23 | I want to install grub instead of it or above it (before it boots). | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | Guest23, usual procedure is to install grub to mbr if it's legacy bios (not uefi) | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | grub will replace the windows bootloader and add a menuentry for windows | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | why fat32? Where does that fit in? | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | is it windows98? | 14:42 |
| Guest23 | windows 8.1 | 14:43 |
| Guest23 | fsmithred, How to install grub on fat32 partition considering previous errors? | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | Guest23, I don't know if you can install grub to fat32 partition. Why are you trying to do that? | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | what is the fat32 partition used for? | 15:00 |
| Guest23 | fsmithred, I unpacked the devuan iso to a fat32 partition. | 15:08 |
| Guest23 | I want to add this to the grub menu. | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | Guest23, then you just need to make a menuentry for it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom. | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | and run update-grub | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | is that the only linux on the box? And was it a live iso or installer iso? | 15:12 |
| Guest23 | live iso | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | and there's no other linux install on the disk? | 15:17 |
| Guest23 | fsmithred, not | 15:17 |
| fsmithred | is there a way to chainload syslinux from the win bootloader? | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | when you install grub to mbr, there needs to be a grub directory with grub.cfg, system map and a few other things. | 15:19 |
| Guest23 | "is there a way to chainload syslinux from the win bootloader?" | 15:20 |
| Guest23 | i don't know | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | or else is it possible to boot windows from syslinux? | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | Maybe something in this thread or one of the links will help. What you are trying to do is different from what I've done or seen anyone do. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4792 | 15:29 |
| Guest79 | Through rufus, I wrote to the devuan flash drive. How can I edit the GRUB menu with options for different startup methods? | 18:22 |
| furrymcgee | grub includes an editor | 18:44 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, Which editor? | 18:47 |
| furrymcgee | there is e to edit the commands in boot menu https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Bootloader#/media/Datei:Debian_Unstable_GRUB2_(2015).png | 18:51 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, What should be the parameters in one of the menu items so that all changes in the system are saved to the sdb2 partition on the flash drive? | 18:55 |
| furrymcgee | changes are not persistent | 18:56 |
| furrymcgee | you would have to mount the root read-write and reinstall grub | 18:57 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, How do I save to the "persistence" partition, as in the Parrot security distribution? | 18:58 |
| furrymcgee | mount it and write the file | 19:00 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, Which file should I write? | 19:04 |
| furrymcgee | grub config | 19:07 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, /media/devuan/flashdrive/boot/grub/ | 19:14 |
| Guest79 | grub.cfg? | 19:14 |
| furrymcgee | this is usuallz a generated file but might work to edit it manually | 19:23 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, What parameter should I register in this file for "persistence" mode? | 19:34 |
| furrymcgee | probbablly something in /etc/grub.d or /etc/default/grub | 19:41 |
| furrymcgee | then update-grub as in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup | 19:42 |
| fsr | if it's grub on a live-usb, maybe just plug the usb into a running linux system and then mount and edit the grub.cfg on the stick. | 19:52 |
| fsr | I'll be back for real in about 4-5 hours and can help with this. | 19:52 |
| fsr | Guest79, ^^^ | 19:52 |
| spine-o-saurus | Im getting some strange issue when running custom kernel the desktop cursor is freezing for a breif moment and then resumes. | 20:08 |
| spine-o-saurus | I tried disabling freezer groups but that didnt help | 20:09 |
| Guest79 | spine-o-saurus, Why did you need a custom kernel? | 20:13 |
| spine-o-saurus | kernel was from existing install, from another distro | 20:14 |
| Guest79 | spine-o-saurus, What was the potential benefit of mixing one with the other? | 20:17 |
| spine-o-saurus | kernel already works fine so I wanted to keep same | 20:17 |
| spine-o-saurus | i set preemption level and timer settings but that didnt help issue | 20:18 |
| spine-o-saurus | it must be something else | 20:18 |
| Guest79 | furrymcgee, There is no information on this link, how to assign section "persistence" via the options in the GRUB menu bar? | 20:28 |
| furrymcgee | sorry cant help with section persistence | 20:29 |
| Wonka | Hi all - anyone got an idea what to do about libllvm14:i386 1:14.0.6-1 not showing up? The amd64 variant is out for several days now. | 21:05 |
| rwp | Wonka, Current status of LLVM builds: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=llvm-toolchain-14 | 22:25 |
| rwp | Wonka, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1014073 | 22:26 |
| systemdlete | I'd like to install a previous version of ff. When I run "apt policy firefox-esr" I only see the current version. | 22:34 |
| systemdlete | (I'm still investigating the crashing problem) | 22:34 |
| rwp | systemdlete, http://snapshot.debian.org/ then put in firefox-esr into the package name search and that will list out previously available packages. | 22:38 |
| systemdlete | btw, I have determined so far that the failure has something to do with reading or writing to the /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 socket. | 22:38 |
| systemdlete | rwp: I see numerous variations, like 91.11.0esr-1~debXXu1 where XX is 9 10 11 | 22:40 |
| systemdlete | is that the OS version? | 22:40 |
| systemdlete | so I am guessing I need, say, 91.10.0esr-1~deb11u1 then? | 22:41 |
| rwp | No, that's just the version number additions to keep the version number unique through the different builds of it. | 22:41 |
| systemdlete | rwp: Do I need to do something to my apt config? When I run "apt install firefox-esr=91.10.0esr-1~deb11u1" says it is not found | 22:42 |
| rwp | For example current in Beowulf is 91.11.0esr-1~deb10u1 and current in Chimaera is 91.11.0esr-1~deb11u1 | 22:43 |
| rwp | Right. Because it has been upgraded in the repositories. But you specifically asked for previous versions of the packages. | 22:43 |
| systemdlete | right. So how do I get it then? | 22:43 |
| systemdlete | download? | 22:43 |
| rwp | If you want to test with previous versions of the package then the only way I know is to reach into snapshot.debian.org and get older versions of the packages from there. | 22:43 |
| systemdlete | ergo, download it manually first then install? | 22:44 |
| rwp | Right. Download. *Iff* you have not cleaned your package cache then you might have older versions still in your apt cache /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory. | 22:44 |
| systemdlete | no, I already checked | 22:44 |
| systemdlete | (rats!) | 22:44 |
| systemdlete | ok thanks rwp | 22:44 |
| rwp | I think new apt* tools can get a package from a URL. So could copy paste the URL. Give that a try. I think that works. | 22:45 |
| rwp | Since it is an older version then it will want a confirmation for the downgrade. | 22:45 |
| rwp | To return to Stable versions just do a normal upgrade back to Stable. | 22:45 |
| systemdlete | these seem to be source packages | 22:46 |
| rwp | Hmm... You are right, source packages... | 22:46 |
| systemdlete | shit... | 22:46 |
| systemdlete | I searched on source not binary | 22:47 |
| systemdlete | (didn't see that) | 22:47 |
| furrymcgee | you can try adding oldstable in sources.list, downgrading often is not supported/tested though | 22:48 |
| rwp | Source packages are up top. Scroll down ten miles to get to the binary packages. They are listed there. | 22:48 |
| systemdlete | rwp: I got it | 22:49 |
| rwp | Or at least I found them here: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/firefox-esr/91.11.0esr-1/ | 22:49 |
| systemdlete | my IRC just crashed. | 22:51 |
| rwp | Firefox is one of the special packages because it comes through security instead of main. (It should come through -updates IMNHO.) | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | I am wondering if this crashing is more pervasive than just firefox | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | I think I will go with my first plan, to revert to an earlier kernel. | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | like 5.10.0-12 | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | or 13 | 22:51 |
| rwp | It could be that you have a bad RAM dimm? That's often a source of crashes. Look in the /var/log/kern.log file for kernel reports. /var/log/syslog for other information. | 22:52 |
| systemdlete | I just replaced ALL of my RAM. Motherboard. | 22:52 |
| systemdlete | Tested RAM for a day and a half. | 22:52 |
| systemdlete | no errors (there had been some previously) | 22:53 |
| rwp | I really HATE to have intermittent and hard to reproduce problems like that with a system. You have my sympathies. | 22:53 |
| systemdlete | funny that when I insert the 2 raid drives in my other machine, no problems. | 22:53 |
| systemdlete | without mods to the drives or partitions etc | 22:54 |
| systemdlete | can't be the MB, since I replaced it with an identical one. | 22:54 |
| systemdlete | gigabyte 970a-ds3p | 22:54 |
| systemdlete | and these partitins on these disks have been good for a long time... before the upgrade to a more recent kernel. | 22:55 |
| systemdlete | chimaera host and VM | 22:55 |
| systemdlete | haven't noticed problems on the host, but then again, I don't do much on the host | 22:55 |
| systemdlete | mostly work in my VMs | 22:55 |
| Wonka | rwp: thx. at least not a devuan problem then. | 22:55 |
| rwp | I don't know why 32-bits is different from 64-bits with regards to <crypt.h> but something is wonky there. (Sorry. Could not resist. :-) | 22:57 |
| systemdlete | rwp: Another thing I noticed recently when ff crashed is a message like "[GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize RENDERER device: SVGA3D; build: RELEASE; LLVM;" | 22:57 |
| systemdlete | I'm wondering if the 3D mode is the issue? | 22:58 |
| rwp | That could be an indication of a graphics problem. What graphics driver are you using? | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | I could try disabling 3D and see if the problem persists or goes away | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | it's an ATI card | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | but it was working fine a week ago | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | I tried swapping out for another card, but the same crashing happens. | 22:59 |
| systemdlete | So not likely the card(s) | 22:59 |
| rwp | With the FLOSS Radeon driver in Linux kernel main? I am using it too. Works for me. | 22:59 |
| systemdlete | rwp: What mb do you have? | 22:59 |
| rwp | Some random ASUS motherboard with an Core 2 i5 CPU in that one. | 23:00 |
| systemdlete | ok, not the same mb | 23:00 |
| systemdlete | what is the name of the ati module? | 23:00 |
| rwp | "radeon" | 23:01 |
| rwp | You told me what I was asking in that you were not using the proprietary driver. Which is good. That one was trouble AFAICT. | 23:01 |
| systemdlete | the host does sport that module | 23:01 |
| systemdlete | but not the VM, prob because it uses a virtualized video | 23:02 |
| rwp | And you were not using an nVidia card. Which I had trouble recently with the nouveau driver. But it isn't that either. You didn't know it but you communicated the information I asked. :-) | 23:02 |
| systemdlete | how do you know which video drivers it is using? (I missed that) | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | sorry | 23:03 |
| rwp | Oh that's right... You are running this in a VM. How are you connecting to the graphics of the VM? | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | not sure | 23:03 |
| rwp | virt-manager? | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | I think vboxvideo | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | maybe I should go bug vbox channel | 23:04 |
| rwp | Hmm... I remember the days when VirtualBox was really a terrible bit of Linux driver and Linus declared officially crap. | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | but this was working until a week ago. I have not touched vbox for months | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | no updates, etc | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | if the crappy driver isn't working, I'd think I'd see a problem long before now | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | (a week ago, that is) | 23:05 |
| rwp | Ten years ago: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw https://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/10/11/1845226/linux-kernel-developer-declares-virtualbox-driver-crap | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | the only things that changes were the host and VM kernels (for certain) and possibly the firefox version | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | rwp: I know. | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | but it does not appear to be the issue in this specific instance. | 23:06 |
| rwp | Okay. Anyway... I have errands to run. Good luck! :-) | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | like I said, I should probably try backing out to an earlier firefox | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | thanks for your assist | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | (even if you hate VBox) | 23:06 |
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