| brocashelm | i've tried claws mail and evolution, but they were quite lacking as i like having multiple e-mails and with their own configs | 00:00 |
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| brocashelm | there is that betterbird fork i posted about long ago, but seemed shady | 00:00 |
| brocashelm | i think we have plenty of browsers to play around with, so now maybe we can look into mail clients? | 00:00 |
| gnarface | i concur thunderbird needs a fork | 00:01 |
| gnarface | for a while i really liked it | 00:02 |
| brocashelm | it used to be great | 00:02 |
| gnarface | i would basically just want everything put back to then | 00:02 |
| gnarface | same with firefox | 00:02 |
| brocashelm | the problem isn't firefox or thunderbird; it's mozilla | 00:02 |
| gnarface | yea :( | 00:02 |
| brocashelm | and mozilla answers to google >_< | 00:02 |
| brocashelm | that's part of why most browsers are chromium-based if you don't want firefox-based | 00:03 |
| gnarface | the irony is not lost on me that their mascot/logo is literally "the monster we created" | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | lol | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | we need to do better than firefox forks, netsurf, pale moon, otter, etc. | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | i do use librewolf if i _must_ use something directly firefucked | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | shame debian/devuan doesn't have it in their repos as it would be a much better default browser by far | 00:05 |
| golinux | brocashelm: No one is preventing you from packaging it and putting it in Devuan's git | 01:20 |
| brocashelm | golinux: i do see bgstack15 packages it for his repos (stable and unstable). would it work to just copy them over to devuan's git? | 02:13 |
| brocashelm | there are some software i'd be interested in packaging for devuan. i'd first test them in ceres and then go down to stable once it works | 02:14 |
| rrq | atm the Devuan-specific packages are solely the required forks for avoiding systemd, and not really for other reasons. | 02:20 |
| rrq | I knw "rrqnet' is an exception, which was incorporated because we use it for our infrastructure | 02:29 |
| rrq | .. and a handful more in "Devuan experimental" | 02:36 |
| golinux | I actually meant in YOUR personal repo on Devuan's gitea | 03:12 |
| brocashelm | that's fine. i'll just install local debs or use certain repos | 03:14 |
| golinux | Sorry for being ambiguous. And sorry for making rrq do extra work. :D | 03:14 |
| golinux | Yeah contributing to the community isn't worth the effort . . . | 03:15 |
| golinux | :rolleyes: | 03:16 |
| FilipZ | gnarface: Hi! I would like to return to finding what's wrong with my wireless connections. There are logs, with flags increasing verbosity for wpa_supplicant and dhclient: https://paste.debian.net/1250714/ | 08:29 |
| FilipZ | I made that bug happen in the last minutes of those logs, but I copied a little more from when something began to fail earlier. Somewhere at this time I also turned off and on wpa_supplicant with those flags, so some of those messages in the earlier part are related to that. | 08:32 |
| FilipZ | And I forgot to mention. After setting verbosity flags, by running wpa_supplicant with the same arguments + a verbosity flag with root, restarting the connman service didn't restore connection untill I killed wpa_supplicant again, so it was later restarted without this flag. I don't know if this matters. | 08:39 |
| topro | hi there, I'm running a headless raspi as libvirt host (debian/devuan) with openvswitch for providing host and VM guests network access to different VLANs on the trunk-connected network port. Everything is working great except that whenever there is an update for openvswitch-common and/or openvswitch-switch packages, network connectivity on apt | 13:27 |
| topro | upgrade gets lost. As docs on how to configure openvswitch on debian/devuan /etc/network/interfaces are somewhat rare, this might be due to a configuration issue, but openvswitch networking starts perfectly on reboot. its just on openvswitch restart during package update when I am left behind with an inaccessible host. IIRC this started back when | 13:27 |
| topro | first openvswitch v2.15 packages appeared and keeps bothering me since. Haven't been able to fix it myself so any help on where to start looking very much appreciated. | 13:27 |
| lts- | topro: known bug unfortunately. You could try the workaround attempt in the message #10 in the bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1008684 | 13:37 |
| topro | oh ok, thanks for that heads-up. it helps to know where its coming from and that its a known bug. I'll see if I can contribute to that bug report. thank you! | 13:38 |
| lts- | I got hit with it a couple years ago with Proxmox, and "resolved" it by just building the same setup without openvswitch. The main stack is nowadays quite capable for handling VLANs and guests | 13:39 |
| topro | interesting, I didn't think I could handle VLAN for guests without openvswitch. do you have any documentation resource (url) you could share with me? | 13:42 |
| topro | concerning bug 1008684, strange there has not been any further reply from OP after message #10 | 13:43 |
| lts- | That used to be the case IIRC that openvswitch was required for this, but that changed a few years ago. Basically you just create a bridge, set "bridge-vlan-aware yes", and give the bridge to your VMs as their network device. https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Network_Configuration#_vlan_802_1q has some information | 13:46 |
| lts- | If you allow the bridge to have "bridge-vids 2-4094", the VMs can tag their traffic themselves, you don't have to create a separate bridge device (e.g. vmbr0.5) for each VLAN (unless you want to) | 13:48 |
| lts- | Or if you have a working setup with openvswitch, you could just try the workaround in the bug report, and if it works, great | 13:49 |
| topro | I will give the workaround a try. Its just that triggering that bug always comes with some downtime which I need to avoid | 13:51 |
| topro | had a look at the proxmox link, might be worth a try, too. thank you, I think now I got enough to try to fix it | 13:57 |
| topro | lts-: I gave the workaround a try, or better two. Didn't do the trick :/ I sent my two cents to the bug report, as I would like to stick with openvswitch. again thank you! | 14:59 |
| lts- | np, good luck | 16:03 |
| bdju | is the Devuan Bible real? where do you get it? I can't find it on the site | 17:24 |
| golinux | Huh!? | 17:28 |
| * golinux cringes at the thought . . . | 17:29 | |
| fsmithred | bdju, where did you hear of such a thing? | 17:30 |
| bdju | https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1559887589934497794 | 17:30 |
| bdju | Lennart has it, supposedly | 17:30 |
| bdju | https://ps.zoethical.org/t/sfyw-software-freedom-your-way/19 I did also find this, but not sure how to get it physically | 17:30 |
| rwp | That book is online itself from that link and I believe that is the entire book right there. | 17:32 |
| bdju | yeah but how did Lennart get it physically? | 17:33 |
| rwp | I might guess "lpr"?? | 17:33 |
| joerg | the ultimate evidence that SOMEBODY is an idiot and a troll | 18:07 |
| joerg | I'm just not decided yet WHO is that asshole to blame | 18:07 |
| golinux | bdju . . . ahhhh that was "the purpy book" written by hellekin and funded at least in part by dyne. | 18:09 |
| golinux | hellekin would NEVER have attached "bible" to anything devuan! That is pottering overlay. Hard copies were printed and distributed. | 18:11 |
| golinux | I never got one. Never wanted one. It became more of a hellekin thing than a Devuan thing. | 18:11 |
| bdju | thank you for the info | 18:17 |
| bdju | is hellekin a part of the community? | 18:17 |
| golinux | He was in the early days. Moved on to personal projects at the end of 2015 early 2016. | 18:18 |
| golinux | You can check the dng list email history. | 18:19 |
| golinux | He and I designed the devuan logo and were created devuan.org in it's current format for the jessie release | 18:20 |
| bdju | oh cool | 18:21 |
| golinux | He was a significant contributor to making devuan what it is today | 18:22 |
| golinux | Here's the first snapshop of the new jessie website: http://web.archive.org/web/20160604151752/http://www.devuan.org/ | 18:23 |
| golinux | It's come a long way since then. | 18:24 |
| golinux | bdju: FYI https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161220.130952.1533fe4f.en.html | 18:42 |
| bdju | ooooh, thanks | 18:44 |
| bdju | the link to the pdf still works. sweet. | 18:46 |
| golinux | Note that talk.devuan.org was replaced by the dev1galaxy.org forum around that time. | 18:49 |
| bdju | ah okay | 18:49 |
| bdju | how come? the name seems pretty odd | 18:50 |
| golinux | Discourse to Fluxbb | 18:59 |
| golinux | Discourse was a disaster | 18:59 |
| golinux | Less is more | 19:00 |
| bdju | and you couldn't use the same subdomain? | 19:00 |
| golinux | We can be quite whimsical. | 19:01 |
| golinux | This was the splash screen for our first "Valentine's" release which was around the time of Leonard Nemoy's death. https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics/d-i/devuan-notoy-grub-64x480.png | 19:02 |
| golinux | Ans one of our dev was an astronomer so . . . galaxy seemed to fit in. | 19:03 |
| golinux | I started it as a self-hosted unofficial protest against discourse | 19:04 |
| golinux | and let the users decide which they preferred. | 19:05 |
| golinux | talk.devuan.org withered away . . . wrong interface for this crowd. | 19:05 |
| bdju | ah, so they both existed at once for some time then | 19:11 |
| bdju | that makes sense | 19:12 |
| golinux | About a year | 19:15 |
| golinux | Maybe longer | 19:16 |
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