| FilipZ | Hi! rrq: are you online now? That interfaces configuration that I used and somehow happened in that one time before, for some reason doesn't work mostly now. | 01:47 |
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| FilipZ | Even though it kills those broken dhclient processes, the wireless software starts again with 2 of them, and for some reason locks itself nearly immediately after it reconnects again. | 01:50 |
| FilipZ | Then it repeatedly kills those processes and respawns 2 of them | 01:50 |
| FilipZ | Doing ifdown, ifup manually MOSTLY helps then, but this config file doesn't | 01:51 |
| FilipZ | Sometimes I have to do ifdown ifup several times, killing those processes for it to work again correctly. | 01:52 |
| rrq | and /etc/network/interfaces.d/ is clean? | 01:52 |
| FilipZ | rrq: Yes, there is nothing here. | 01:52 |
| rrq | and there is no other "network manager" software in play? | 01:52 |
| FilipZ | No. I only use wpa_gui now | 01:53 |
| rrq | hmm | 01:55 |
| rrq | you have a /run/wpa_action.wlan0.timestamp I suppose? | 01:58 |
| rrq | maybe there's also a /run/wpa_action.wlan0.ifupdown? | 01:59 |
| FilipZ | I do | 01:59 |
| FilipZ | There is one number here | 01:59 |
| rrq | that should be a timestamp of the last ifup | 01:59 |
| rrq | in .timestamp | 01:59 |
| FilipZ | There is no /run/wpa_action.wlan0.ifupdown, though | 01:59 |
| FilipZ | Alright, so what is the importance of this file? | 02:00 |
| rrq | mmm that's a "locking file" should it would exist transiently | 02:01 |
| FilipZ | It is only the last timestamp, what could I do with this? | 02:01 |
| rrq | nothing really; you could chec it: date -d @$(cat /run/wpa_action.wlan0.timestamp) | 02:02 |
| FilipZ | I am not in that problem state at the moment, so I don't know whether was there something, existing transiently | 02:02 |
| FilipZ | So what after checking the date? It is the time after I turned up my PC a moment earlier. | 02:05 |
| rrq | sounds right | 02:05 |
| rrq | as I mentioned before, a more reliable adapter might be cheapest :) | 02:06 |
| FilipZ | I get it, but why would the interfaces file in its current state work worse than doing ifdown ifup manually? | 02:08 |
| rrq | probably some timing thing; the actual commands are the same | 02:11 |
| rrq | when those commands are issued from wpa they might come to quickly in sequence especially if the adapter has locked up in some way | 02:12 |
| FilipZ | Right, but why would wpa_gui start 2 dhclient processes simultaneously? Also, I don't know whether it matters but one of them is of 3 times smaller size, for some reason | 02:15 |
| rrq | possibly wpa starts one dhclient, and then dhclient uses its own logic to respawn; that seems more likely than that wpa spawns multiple dhclient... or does the log say that it does? | 02:19 |
| FilipZ | I don't know. I just saw those 2 appearing at the same time in the task manager, though the refresh rate was set as 5 seconds, so I suppose that it may be like this. | 02:24 |
| FilipZ | So what could I try to do with it? | 02:25 |
| FilipZ | Try to introduce a fixed delay somehow? | 02:32 |
| rrq | maye a "down sleep 3" on ifdown... I have no idea really; new adapter is best/easiest. | 02:34 |
| Afdal | So what's the deal with pkgmaster.devuan.org vs deb.devuan.org | 03:56 |
| Afdal | Can someone explain the difference | 03:56 |
| debdog | to quote golinux: "deb.devuan.org is a pool of mirrors that are all synced to pkgmaster." http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2140 | 03:59 |
| Afdal | What is preferable in sources.list? | 04:01 |
| FilipZ | rrq: I just had this issue happen again. I didn't change the interfaces file yet. I could see that there were 3 dhclient processes, and only 2 of them were killed for some reason. One dhclient processes stayed untouched, while 2 more were repeatedly killed and created again. After a while it somehow fixed itself of its own, and then one of the 2 additional processes stayed, beside that one stat wasn't killed previously. Why could | 04:02 |
| FilipZ | e this one process like this? | 04:02 |
| debdog | Afdal: deb.devuan.org or one of the mirrors directly https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 04:07 |
| onefang | Afdal: deb.devuan.org is preferable in sources.list, that way we are not all hitting the pkgmaster all the time and the mirrors get a chance te sync to it. | 04:07 |
| onefang | Plus what debdog said while I was typing that. | 04:08 |
| Afdal | you know pkgmaster.devuan.org is the default after installation | 04:09 |
| Afdal | someone oughtta change that... | 04:09 |
| debdog | maybe a better list for the mirrors: https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 04:09 |
| onefang | https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan is the ISO mirrors, not the package mirrors. https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt is the package mirrors. | 04:10 |
| debdog | oops | 04:11 |
| Afdal | :o | 04:20 |
| sach | my sources list is broken | 04:22 |
| sach | see afdal no one responds | 04:24 |
| Afdal | lol | 04:24 |
| Afdal | They need more info than that... | 04:24 |
| sach | Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (type) | 04:24 |
| sach | E: The list of sources could not be read. | 04:24 |
| Afdal | supposedly sach's sources.list looks like this https://pastebin.com/eh0mHYjE | 04:25 |
| Afdal | Wonder if it could be a file permissions issue | 04:26 |
| Afdal | since you edited it as root earlier | 04:26 |
| Afdal | What do you see next to sources.list when you type ls -al /etc/apt/ sach | 04:27 |
| bb|hcb | It says line #1, so that is not a perms problem | 04:28 |
| fluffywolf | malformed line does not sound like a permissions issue to me, but a typo issue. | 04:28 |
| sach | total 40 | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Nov 13 19:09 . | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 107 root root 4096 Nov 13 19:14 .. | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 13 18:21 apt.conf.d | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 21 2021 auth.conf.d | 04:28 |
| sach | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 150 Nov 13 18:14 listchanges.conf | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 28 2021 listchanges.conf.d | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 21 2021 preferences.d | 04:28 |
| sach | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 613 Nov 13 19:09 sources.list | 04:28 |
| sach | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 13 18:08 sources.list~ | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 21 2021 sources.list.d | 04:28 |
| sach | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 13 18:08 trusted.gpg.d | 04:28 |
| Afdal | Right, your permissions are as they should be | 04:29 |
| fluffywolf | pastebin the file somewhere and link it here | 04:29 |
| brocashelm | please use a paste site like paste.debian.net or dpaste.org. you can easily get disconnected from the server for flooding | 04:29 |
| bb|hcb | sach: Please use paste.debian.net; there are bots that may kick you for long paste | 04:29 |
| bb|hcb | ;) :P | 04:30 |
| brocashelm | :) | 04:30 |
| Afdal | y; | 04:30 |
| sach | https://pastebin.com/XFsC8yDP | 04:30 |
| Afdal | might be that extra space at the start of your file lol | 04:31 |
| fluffywolf | hrmm, doesn't look obviously broken. | 04:32 |
| sach | thats not there | 04:32 |
| sach | also cant edit it on my main acct | 04:32 |
| Afdal | they were having trouble with sudo powers on their non-root account earlier | 04:32 |
| Afdal | so I think this is related to it | 04:33 |
| Afdal | Didn't you give your non-root user sudo access? | 04:33 |
| sach | i did but i dont hold up\ | 04:33 |
| sach | i dont know how to open a txt file in terminal | 04:34 |
| rrq | sach: can you run the following: xxd -p -l8 /etc/apt/sources.list | 04:35 |
| bb|hcb | sach: Just delete the empty first line, maybe there is some special unicode there? | 04:35 |
| fluffywolf | if I get the raw paste, it has crlfs in it... do they break apt? lol | 04:35 |
| sach | efbbbf0a23232070 | 04:36 |
| bb|hcb | sach: efbbbf is some unicode... | 04:37 |
| sach | what do i use to open sources in the terminal | 04:38 |
| bb|hcb | one way to fix is: dd if=/etc/apt/sources.list bs=1 skip=4 of=/somewhere/sources.list.fixed | 04:38 |
| fluffywolf | lol, the blank line is some unicode crap? surprised it's not in the raw paste, probably got filtered out somewhere. | 04:38 |
| fluffywolf | it appears to be... a byte order mark? that's a new one for me. | 04:39 |
| rrq | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark | 04:39 |
| rrq | "The UTF-8 representation of the BOM is the (hexadecimal) byte sequence 0xEF,0xBB,0xBF" | 04:39 |
| fluffywolf | I mean, I know such things exist, but what the heck would put one into a standard text file? | 04:39 |
| bb|hcb | Some windows based text editor? | 04:40 |
| fluffywolf | I guess I should learn a lesson from this... always ask people to use a site where they directly upload a file, *not* copy and paste, in case of weird issues like this. | 04:42 |
| fluffywolf | since that's not in the paste, even if you wget the raw version. | 04:42 |
| Afdal | lol | 04:42 |
| Afdal | sneaky unicode trickery | 04:43 |
| rrq | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60124466/how-can-i-redirect-input-in-powershell-without-a-bom | 04:43 |
| fluffywolf | I mean, that was the first thing I tried when they linked to the paste, wgeting the raw and running it through od, just to look for weirdness... and other than it showing crlf instead of just newlines, it doesn't have any odd crap in it. | 04:43 |
| fluffywolf | so it didn't make it into the paste. | 04:44 |
| bb|hcb | So the conclusion is that even editing simple text files on windows can be dangerous :) | 04:44 |
| fluffywolf | they edited their sources.list on windows? | 04:45 |
| sach | no i did not | 04:45 |
| sach | what is the default editor for teminal | 04:45 |
| fluffywolf | nano | 04:46 |
| Afdal | I use nano like a champ | 04:46 |
| bb|hcb | Hm, did you paste from somewhere? I doubt that paste will include BOM/CRLF but it is not impossible | 04:46 |
| fluffywolf | (on another thought... should system utilities all be upgraded to handle unicode, to improve internationalization?) | 04:47 |
| sach | k heres a new paste https://pastebin.com/N4n9H0gx | 04:47 |
| sach | from mousepad | 04:47 |
| fluffywolf | does it work? | 04:47 |
| sach | no same error | 04:48 |
| Afdal | eh... | 04:48 |
| sach | i removed that line | 04:50 |
| fluffywolf | iconv -c -f utf-8 -t ascii /etc/apt/sources.list >/tmp/sources.list && mv /tmp/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list | 04:50 |
| sach | mv: replace '/etc/apt/sources.list', overriding mode 0644 (rw-r--r--)? | 04:51 |
| fluffywolf | are you root? | 04:51 |
| sach | im using sudo | 04:51 |
| fluffywolf | hrmm. I don't know how sudo interacts with that line. | 04:52 |
| Afdal | fyi sach is doing all this from a fresh devuan installation | 04:52 |
| Afdal | they can easily replace that sources.list with something else | 04:52 |
| fluffywolf | answer yes and see what happens. lol | 04:52 |
| Afdal | they only pasted that because they were having problems and that's what my sources.list looks like | 04:52 |
| fluffywolf | I have very, very little experience with sudo. | 04:52 |
| sach | permission denied? | 04:53 |
| sach | ilet me explain | 04:53 |
| Afdal | I think this all stems from them forgetting to add their user to the sudoers list during installation | 04:53 |
| fluffywolf | try running sudo mv /tmp/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list instead of both on one line | 04:54 |
| fluffywolf | in case sudo is only applying to the first half of the && | 04:54 |
| sach | the laptop i have this installed on does not have ethernet so the installer set the sources as cdrom for the main source but as i do not have a cd rom we ere trying to redirect it elsewhere | 04:54 |
| gnarface | i think you do need sudo on both sides of the && | 04:54 |
| sach | i have sudo access not however well shit | 04:55 |
| sach | thanks | 04:55 |
| fluffywolf | did that make it work? | 04:55 |
| sach | the package i was looking for isnt there but i think its working | 04:55 |
| sach | let me try synaptic again | 04:55 |
| fluffywolf | apt-get update would be the next step, if it works. | 04:55 |
| fluffywolf | or synaptic if you're doing it pointy-clicky, yes. | 04:56 |
| sach | yay its updating | 04:56 |
| * gnarface claps excitedly | 04:56 | |
| Afdal | also you may need to add the non-free repos to get your wifi working | 04:56 |
| sach | now i just have to figue out how to get my wifi driver installed | 04:56 |
| sach | afdal what irc program u usin | 04:57 |
| Afdal | hexchat | 04:57 |
| Afdal | See sach, the people in #devuan are friendly laddies ;y | 04:57 |
| sach | it doesnt show up in your repos | 04:58 |
| Afdal | ehhh? | 04:58 |
| Afdal | it's definitely there for me | 04:58 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=hexchat&x=submit | 04:58 |
| gnarface | should definitely be present | 04:58 |
| sach | oh forgot to update synaptic | 04:59 |
| fluffywolf | <sach:#devuan> yay its updating | 04:59 |
| fluffywolf | lol | 04:59 |
| sach | i updated apt | 04:59 |
| gnarface | i thought you meant synaptic too | 04:59 |
| sach | ok how do i add nonfree and get wifi workin | 05:00 |
| gnarface | if you add " contrib non-free" to the end of the sources.list lines then update again it should show the firmware packages, they're separated by vendor | 05:00 |
| gnarface | the intel one for example is iwlwifi-firmware | 05:00 |
| sach | also the additional drivers thingy isnt there soim guessing devuan does that some other way | 05:00 |
| gnarface | sorry, firmware-iwlwifi i mean | 05:01 |
| gnarface | they might all have firmware in their names | 05:01 |
| sach | ok im confused | 05:03 |
| gnarface | ? | 05:03 |
| gnarface | every line in your sources.list that ends with the word "main" change it to "main contrib non-free" to see all packages | 05:04 |
| gnarface | though i'd recommend just installing the wifi firmware then removing the " contrib non-free" part again | 05:04 |
| gnarface | don't forget that after every update to the sources.list you have to update the cache again | 05:05 |
| gnarface | you do need to figure out the vendor for your wifi firmware so you can pick the right package but it shouldn't be hard, most of them are intel or realtek | 05:06 |
| sach | dis realtek | 05:07 |
| gnarface | well then you should just need firmware-realtek unless you're unlucky and it's not a supported device | 05:08 |
| gnarface | most of their stuff is supported but not all of it | 05:08 |
| gnarface | but all the supported devices' firmwares are in that package | 05:09 |
| gnarface | you might need to reboot after installing | 05:09 |
| sach | its already installed and no dice | 05:09 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 05:09 |
| sach | xubuntus additional drivers found it | 05:10 |
| sach | so did nints | 05:10 |
| gnarface | perhaps it's in the backports version | 05:10 |
| sach | mints | 05:10 |
| gnarface | chimaera is a bit older than everyone else's kernels | 05:10 |
| fluffywolf | what does lspci say your wireless device is? | 05:10 |
| sach | RTL8821CE | 05:11 |
| fluffywolf | sounds like you might need to install the backports kernel | 05:12 |
| gnarface | yea install the version of the kernel and that firmware-realtek package from backports, they should have newer hardware support | 05:13 |
| gnarface | like with the " contrib non-free" stuff i'd recommend removing it from your sources.list again when you're done, and not pulling anything else from there without cause | 05:14 |
| fluffywolf | you need to edit your sources.list and uncomment (remove the #) "#deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main " and update again | 05:15 |
| sach | does this look right deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main | 05:15 |
| gnarface | you also need to add " contrib non-free" to that | 05:16 |
| gnarface | so it'll see the updated firmware-realtek package if present | 05:16 |
| gnarface | usually kernel and firmware versions are paired up | 05:16 |
| fluffywolf | and then apt-get install linux-image-5.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 (or use synaptic to install the newest kernel it shows) | 05:17 |
| sach | ok running an upgrade | 05:17 |
| sach | and yes i updated first | 05:17 |
| gnarface | i would NOT recommend just running a full upgrade from backports | 05:18 |
| gnarface | that would be reckless | 05:18 |
| sach | well what should i run then? | 05:18 |
| gnarface | apt-get -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-realtek | 05:18 |
| fluffywolf | gnarface: things from backports don't get automatically installed, from my experience. | 05:19 |
| sach | lol i may have to reinstall its too late its already goin | 05:19 |
| gnarface | well it might not break everything but who knows | 05:19 |
| sach | we will see | 05:19 |
| gnarface | just make sure it actually got the two things you went in there for | 05:19 |
| fluffywolf | you're probably upgrading everything that's been upgraded since the installer was packaged. | 05:19 |
| sach | im just learning anyway | 05:19 |
| fluffywolf | now that it was able to get updated sources. | 05:19 |
| sach | lol well now i know what to do if i bork it again | 05:20 |
| fluffywolf | I'm not even positive the backports kernel is new enough for that wifi... it seems linux support for it without compiling an out-of-tree module is very new. | 05:20 |
| fluffywolf | speaking of new kernels, here's a question for others here: do 6.* kernels just compile and work on chimaera? I might need one for my usb. | 05:22 |
| sach | woo wifi workin | 05:28 |
| sach | so i should remove all the nonfree things now right | 05:28 |
| fluffywolf | I leave them all in. | 05:29 |
| fluffywolf | did installing the backports kernel make wifi work? | 05:29 |
| sach | yes im using it now | 05:30 |
| fluffywolf | yay. installing the backports kernel was much easier than the options if the backports one wasn't new enough. | 05:30 |
| saccharin | ok i got me hexchat up | 05:32 |
| sach | lololol ok im buggin off of this | 05:32 |
| * fluffywolf is old fashioned and uses a console irc client | 05:33 | |
| saccharin | openbox doent have a panel | 05:56 |
| saccharin | oops | 05:56 |
| saccharin | sorry wrong chat | 05:56 |
| Afdal | :o | 06:04 |
| saccharin | gasm | 06:21 |
| fluffywolf | I guess I'll just have to try 6 and see what happens... | 06:27 |
| fluffywolf | bbl | 06:39 |
| saccharin | ok lesson learned leave the desktop environments alone | 08:21 |
| saccharin | can anyone help me install my wifi driver again | 08:22 |
| saccharin | RTL8821CE is my card | 08:22 |
| Afdal | Did you have to reinstall? | 08:22 |
| saccharin | ya | 08:23 |
| saccharin | ima dumbass | 08:23 |
| Afdal | you need that realtek driver from the backports repo | 08:23 |
| rrq | apt-get -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-realtek | 08:24 |
| saccharin | can you scroll up and copy the command from the backports and the backports repo | 08:24 |
| Afdal | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main contrib non-free | 08:24 |
| saccharin | thanks | 08:24 |
| Afdal | stick that in your sources.list | 08:24 |
| saccharin | i did and its saying its invalid | 08:27 |
| saccharin | whats that line i ad to run last time to make it work | 08:30 |
| saccharin | everthing looks correct | 08:30 |
| saccharin | afdal pastebin the chat for the last 4 hours ill look myself | 08:31 |
| debdog | saccharin: there's a chanlog available, see topic | 08:33 |
| saccharin | .topic | 08:34 |
| Afdal | pastebin apparently has some stupid filter to to filter of "potentially offensive or questionable" content | 08:34 |
| Afdal | so long pastebin | 08:34 |
| saccharin | pm me? | 08:35 |
| Afdal | just use the channel logs I guess | 08:36 |
| Afdal | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2022-11-13.log.html | 08:36 |
| saccharin | i dunno how | 08:36 |
| saccharin | oh | 08:36 |
| Afdal | hmm that log doesn't seem complete | 08:36 |
| Afdal | oh you want this one http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2022-11-14.log.html | 08:37 |
| Afdal | silly time zones... | 08:37 |
| Afdal | nice and cleaned of join and quit messages too | 08:38 |
| saccharin | got it thanks | 08:39 |
| ham5urg | I'm trying to trick Gnome to hibernate instead of suspend. I changed /etc/elogind/logind.conf and for the lid-closing it works. What does not work is the suspend-button of Gnome itself https://ibb.co/jTs8cHx . I can't find an option for this button in logind.conf. Am I looking at the right file? | 12:24 |
| ribcage | guys, on Chimaera and XFCE, when I try to create a vpn connection, the list of VPN types is empty, it says that I don't have the right plugin installed or something like that. Do you have any clues? | 16:28 |
| djph | ribcage: for ... network mangler? | 17:00 |
| ribcage | What is that? It's the graphical network manager that comes with XFCE | 17:01 |
| ribcage | when you click on the network icon in the system tray, and try to create a vpn connection | 17:02 |
| ribcage | I installed the OS from the dvd iso, the computer was not connected to any wired or wireless networks during installation. Could that have caused this? | 17:03 |
| Joril | ribcage: I think you have to install a VPN plugin (e.g. network-manager-openvpn-gnome) | 17:40 |
| ribcage | what about PPTP? | 17:56 |
| ribcage | pppd seems to be installed | 17:56 |
| FilipZ | rrq: Are you online now? I added this fixed delay, but it didn't help when that issue happened again. I found out that there indeed was that /run/wpa_action.wlan0.ifupdown | 21:36 |
| FilipZ | It had the asound.state.lock text file inside, with some number in it | 21:37 |
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