| missMyN900 | I am happy that qtwebbrowser is available now and working very well | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| sicelo | It shows 4G (instead of LTE, because I didn't figure out a good way to show full LTE in the available space) | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | LTE has been an issue for me in the past with T-Mobile US | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | I could not get LTE until late 2021 with pmOS | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | Plasma Mobile added an APN autodetect feature that finally fixed LTE for me | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | the default (which is also the official recommended by T-Mobile setting) APN does not work | 00:01 |
| missMyN900 | only the autodetected mobile broadband APN works | 00:01 |
| sicelo | Please read through the last few news updates for the correct packages to install. Cellular has applets since a while now | 00:01 |
| missMyN900 | I think it may be a laptop with LTE modem oriented APN possibly | 00:01 |
| missMyN900 | I did not see any cellular applet in the Hildon package manager certainly | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | only WiFi related stuff | 00:02 |
| sicelo | Use apt | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | ok | 00:02 |
| sicelo | Wizzup: can also tell you the exact packages you need. I've got a lot of stuff in my droid4 (it's an old image that i just apt upgrade), so I no longer j what's | 00:04 |
| sicelo | *Know what's needed and what's not | 00:04 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: wait but all the audio issues on the PP are only related to the hardware buttons, right? | 00:23 |
| missMyN900 | so the volume applet should still work if I install it? | 00:23 |
| missMyN900 | hmm PP gets very hot when charging, in general it feels hot | 00:24 |
| missMyN900 | but it is actually on 54 C, so not too bad | 00:24 |
| missMyN900 | during normal use it seems to be about 40 C | 00:24 |
| missMyN900 | what is weird that the part of the phone where the modem is located seems to get significantly hotter than the battery part | 00:25 |
| missMyN900 | which is the opposite of what you would expect when charging | 00:25 |
| missMyN900 | *only 54 C | 00:26 |
| missMyN900 | hmm I did tried "apt search applet | grep status" but did not find anything sound related | 00:29 |
| uvos | sicelo: missMyN900: should be hildon-connectivity-mobile meta package | 00:35 |
| missMyN900 | oh I just read the 16th update again | 00:35 |
| missMyN900 | and was reading the audio support part of the 15th update | 00:35 |
| uvos | missMyN900: its maemo-statusmenu-volume | 00:35 |
| missMyN900 | thanks, will try it | 00:36 |
| missMyN900 | but why is it not installed by default if I may ask? | 00:36 |
| uvos | idk i though it was | 00:36 |
| uvos | it wont work on pinephone | 00:36 |
| missMyN900 | what part? | 00:36 |
| uvos | every part | 00:36 |
| missMyN900 | hardware buttons? | 00:36 |
| uvos | slider | 00:36 |
| missMyN900 | what about the software slider? | 00:36 |
| missMyN900 | but how is that related to the PP? | 00:37 |
| uvos | wont work | 00:37 |
| uvos | i explained before | 00:37 |
| uvos | the sinks are different | 00:37 |
| missMyN900 | well, yes, the events but that is hardware related, right? | 00:37 |
| uvos | [23:02] <uvos> 2. we dont autodetect the audio sink that needs adjustment, instead its in a config file (again legacy from n900 hardcoding) | 00:37 |
| missMyN900 | 16th update said that the correct sink is now selected by default | 00:37 |
| missMyN900 | on PP | 00:37 |
| uvos | thats what i thought | 00:37 |
| uvos | but its wrong | 00:37 |
| missMyN900 | :( | 00:38 |
| uvos | anyhow | 00:38 |
| uvos | you can make it work | 00:38 |
| missMyN900 | ok | 00:38 |
| missMyN900 | pactl or something? | 00:38 |
| missMyN900 | or was it pacmd? | 00:38 |
| missMyN900 | hmm looks like those both exists on Debian 11 at least | 00:39 |
| uvos | no | 00:39 |
| uvos | /usr/share/maemo-statusmenu-volume/sinks.ini | 00:39 |
| uvos | change it to sink_name=alsa_output.platform-sound.HiFi__hw_PinePhone_0__sink | 00:39 |
| missMyN900 | oh so PA already has the correct sinks? It is jut the applet? | 00:39 |
| uvos | right | 00:39 |
| missMyN900 | going to SSH for that... | 00:40 |
| uvos | obv the buttons wont work | 00:41 |
| missMyN900 | yep | 00:41 |
| missMyN900 | what was the user pw again? | 00:42 |
| uvos | idk | 00:42 |
| missMyN900 | it won't accept "toor" as root pw when SSHing | 00:42 |
| uvos | just sudo passwd user | 00:42 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I am getting "does not exist" for that file in nano | 00:46 |
| missMyN900 | wait for the directory | 00:46 |
| uvos | you need to have the applet installed | 00:46 |
| uvos | ofc | 00:46 |
| missMyN900 | oh I need it to install it first | 00:46 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I use my Pinephone in landscape mode with ML, should I change native_is_landscape to 1? | 00:49 |
| uvos | this only changes the behavior of the volume buttons | 00:51 |
| uvos | so dosent matter | 00:51 |
| missMyN900 | it seems to work! | 00:51 |
| missMyN900 | most important thing for me is that I don't have to use pavucontrol on the Pinephone | 01:15 |
| missMyN900 | looks like the PP with ML will become a nice small tablet | 01:15 |
| missMyN900 | I am fine with the PP as a mini Pinetab with LTE capability that is available when needed. I think that the suspend-style power management will be adequate for that purpose too. | 01:16 |
| missMyN900 | if I had paid $600-1000 for this then I would not be satisfied but considering what the Pinephone costs this is more than acceptable for me | 01:17 |
| missMyN900 | hmm it certainly does not seem to have an effect on the mplayer volume... | 01:30 |
| missMyN900 | experienced the blackscreen bug again... | 01:50 |
| missMyN900 | after waiting a little while it would finally respond to the power button again and display the lock screen | 01:50 |
| missMyN900 | I think the screen even went black randomly when I was trying to watch a video wiht mplayer | 01:51 |
| missMyN900 | I had already changed the timeout to 1 min since 30 s was getting really annoying, so I doubt the screen turned off due to the automatic timeout | 01:53 |
| missMyN900 | I think there are some freezes every now and then too. I am not 100% sure but the screen and UI seem prett sensitive normally, so it seems it can't really be me not pressing a button properly | 01:54 |
| missMyN900 | I would like having a Droid 3/4 but I don't think it is a good idea for me to get such an old device if I can even find one for a reasonable price | 01:56 |
| missMyN900 | I never get the latest and greatest hardware but 2010-12 is really getting a bit too old for me, not because of performance but just because of the age of the device | 01:57 |
| missMyN900 | I got a laptop recently with a Richland APU from 2013 but it was only actually used from 2016 | 01:58 |
| missMyN900 | I feel like I got burned a little by the Nexus and Z10. Not really looking to repeat that anymore at this point. | 01:59 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900 and uvos: the n900 pm actually works but some drivers block the idle levels | 11:04 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: I think the volume buttons should work, no? | 11:05 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: there is also a feature to keep the screen on with a status applet | 11:05 |
| uvos | no | 11:30 |
| uvos | they dont | 11:30 |
| Wizzup | uvos: I can enter ret/off on n900 | 12:06 |
| Wizzup | uvos: unless you mean something else | 12:06 |
| buZz | Wizzup: any idea about the qalendar app? the layout of monthview seems crooked | 12:09 |
| buZz | 6 week numbers, but it shows 5 weeks | 12:09 |
| Wizzup | sorry, I will try to check up on the backlog later, head is too full atm | 12:09 |
| buZz | and not the whole month, on d4 | 12:10 |
| buZz | oh ok | 12:10 |
| buZz | was hoping i could fix it, but not sure if its even wrong | 12:10 |
| buZz | its this view; https://i.imgur.com/tdRaJ1Y.png | 12:18 |
| buZz | if anyone else can tell me if thats supposed to look like that | 12:19 |
| buZz | or not | 12:19 |
| buZz | thats cool too ;) | 12:19 |
| uvos | Wizzup: the volume buttons, they cant work on pp (for usage with the volume applet) | 12:23 |
| buZz | oo theres a volume applet out now? | 12:25 |
| uvos | sure yeah | 12:25 |
| uvos | for quite some time | 12:25 |
| uvos | but for various different reasons it only works fully on mapphones | 12:25 |
| buZz | oh well | 12:26 |
| buZz | not in appmanager i guess | 12:26 |
| uvos | on a mapphone you should only need to install maemo-statusmenu-volume | 12:26 |
| uvos | really it should be in the meta package... | 12:27 |
| buZz | not in apt either? or not named volume applet? | 12:27 |
| uvos | maemo-statusmenu-volume | 12:27 |
| uvos | is the name of the package | 12:27 |
| Wizzup | isn't it in a meta? | 12:27 |
| buZz | ty | 12:27 |
| uvos | Wizzup: apperantly not | 12:27 |
| Wizzup | maybe | 12:28 |
| uvos | Wizzup: shall i add it to hildon-meta? | 12:28 |
| uvos | or should it be somewhere else? | 12:29 |
| Wizzup | I think hildon-meta is the right place to add it | 12:29 |
| Wizzup | I'm going to be afk soon | 12:29 |
| buZz | ooo nice applet | 12:29 |
| buZz | works well , it seems :) On d4 | 12:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | is there something suppose to be wrong with the calender image? | 12:31 |
| uvos | sixwheeledbeast: may has more days | 12:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think there is always 6 rows of 7 columns | 12:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no matter what month? | 12:31 |
| buZz | sixwheeledbeast: 6 rows of weeks, yet 5 rows of days | 12:32 |
| buZz | wknumbers dont align | 12:32 |
| uvos | buZz: if you dislike the volume button swaping behavior on rotation you can thit in /usr/share/maemo-statusmenu-volume/sinks.ini | 12:32 |
| buZz | and doesnt show whole month | 12:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am comparing with qalender on n900 | 12:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fremantle | 12:32 |
| buZz | sixwheeledbeast: have a screenshot? | 12:32 |
| uvos | right the week numbers are alls screwy | 12:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can get one if you gimme a bit | 12:33 |
| buZz | uvos: is that just .qml editting? | 12:33 |
| buZz | sixwheeledbeast: sure, all the bits! | 12:33 |
| uvos | buZz: hmm? | 12:33 |
| uvos | its a config file | 12:33 |
| buZz | uvos: to get that layout correct? i think it -is- rendered but offscreen | 12:33 |
| uvos | oh the cal | 12:33 |
| buZz | i found this old screenshot which shows it wrong in a different way; https://maemo-leste.github.io/images/qalendar-3.png | 12:34 |
| uvos | i think qalendar is qwidgets | 12:34 |
| uvos | its so mething with the theaming | 12:35 |
| uvos | addin -style=fusion | 12:35 |
| uvos | makes it render correctly | 12:36 |
| uvos | besides the colors of course | 12:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://i.imgur.com/ryqVD5n.png | 12:36 |
| uvos | yeah that looks correct | 12:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I doubt the font would effect anything but it isn't standard font. | 12:38 |
| buZz | yeah 6rows of wknumbers, 6rows of days | 12:38 |
| buZz | vs mine, 6rows of wk#, 5 rows of days | 12:39 |
| buZz | took me quite a while to even notice that being wrong, been using qalendar on d4 as main agenda last 2 months | 12:39 |
| buZz | hehe | 12:39 |
| uvos | i dident notice either | 12:40 |
| uvos | and i also use it :P | 12:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | how well does it handle portrait orientation? or doesn't it | 12:41 |
| uvos | it dosent set the flag | 12:41 |
| uvos | i have hildon force rotation on everything | 12:41 |
| uvos | it totaly breaks in portrait | 12:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that makes sense it's pretty broken, :nod: | 12:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I would probably need a different layout for it to work. | 12:43 |
| uvos | idk | 12:43 |
| uvos | androids calaendar dose ok | 12:43 |
| uvos | by just chianging the aspect ratio of the days | 12:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You would need 10 rows of 3 to get a month view | 12:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well a month-ish | 12:44 |
| buZz | sixwheeledbeast: it stick to portrait for me | 12:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 11 to get everything | 12:45 |
| buZz | unless on a day-screen | 12:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yer it doesn't have the rotate flag as above. | 12:45 |
| uvos | android dose 6 rows of 7 no matter portrait/ landscape | 12:46 |
| uvos | and i think it looks good | 12:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have force rotation and blacklisted the odd few | 12:46 |
| uvos | it just stacks the bars for events differenly | 12:46 |
| uvos | so we could just copy that with little effort | 12:46 |
| uvos | (since you dont need a different view for portrait) | 12:47 |
| uvos | just scale the elements | 12:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I like the length of the bars in the day boxes to indicate the length of the event. | 12:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | personally. | 12:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's not the end of the world to not have that in portrait I suppose. | 12:48 |
| uvos | android dose the same thing | 12:48 |
| uvos | (the asop app) | 12:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh i haven't since andriod so just picturing how it would look. | 12:48 |
| sicelo | by the way, why does leste (sometimes?) fail to get/apply dns serers providedby ofono? | 13:43 |
| sicelo | Settings = { Interface=wwan3 Method=static Address=10.4.128.54 Netmask=255.0.0.0 Gateway=10.4.128.53 DomainNameServers=69.63.64.12, } | 13:44 |
| sicelo | icd/leste didn't apply it, but ofono has it. 9.9.9.9 or any other dns server is blocked on this isp | 13:45 |
| sicelo | and, a minor detail - the gprs active icon didn't show up | 13:49 |
| buZz | sicelo: its quite a issue yeah | 14:44 |
| buZz | sicelo: installed the last https://github.com/maemo-leste/libicd-network-ipv4/ ? | 14:44 |
| buZz | we've been making some changes, i sometimes get no dns for 2G , but do on wifi | 14:45 |
| buZz | it will failsafe to 9.9.9.9 because of that package, you could edit it to point elsewhere by default? | 14:45 |
| buZz | ofone/gconf will show the correct dns , but somehow udchpc doesnt apply it, i dont think we've ever found what/why | 14:46 |
| buZz | at least 9.9.9.9 works better than 0.0.0.0 as dns :P (well, not for you) | 14:46 |
| lel | IMbackK opened a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/hildon-meta/pull/7 (add maemo-statusmenu-volume) | 14:55 |
| norayr | > sicelo wrote: | 18:39 |
| norayr | > Or, if you just want something that already works, pmOS with phosh or plasma mobile is really great too. | 18:39 |
| norayr | for some reason for me pmos/phosh on pp worked much slower than manjaro or mobian. sailfish and leste work very fast though. | 18:39 |
| sicelo | Leste will definitely be faster than everything else out there. :-) | 18:40 |
| norayr | (i was replying to old conversation, somebody suggested to use pmos on pp to someone) | 18:40 |
| uvos | really i hear people complaining the ui is slow on pp all the time | 18:40 |
| uvos | and phosh was fine on xt1602 speed wise, is it really slow on pp? | 18:40 |
| uvos | (the ui == hildon) | 18:41 |
| uvos | i gues the Adreno 306 is quite a bit faster than the mali in the pp, so maybe the phosh observations are resonable | 18:43 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | phosh is slow, maemo not so | 19:05 |
| Wizzup | we'll get it to be faster on lima too with time | 19:08 |
| bencoh | hi everyone - question regarding telegram, which client do you use? | 19:48 |
| bencoh | I tried to register pidgin (using telegram-purple) and telegram-cli but they both fail (telegram-cli reports an error that its no longer supported) | 19:49 |
| bencoh | (currently building tdlib/td to try purple-tdlib) | 19:49 |
| bencoh | (iirc some used telegram on leste - right?) | 19:50 |
| uvos | bencoh: telegram-desktop works fine i use it often | 19:53 |
| uvos | with https://github.com/maemo-leste/hildon-status-menu/pull/3 it even has a status menu icon | 19:53 |
| uvos | unfortionatly the version in our devuan is extreamly old | 19:54 |
| uvos | and suffers from a bug that makes it use a lot of power | 19:54 |
| uvos | this is fixed in later versions, but those need newer qt | 19:54 |
| buZz | sicelo: not sure about pp | 20:20 |
| buZz | sicelo: i think pp needs a ncurses interface :P | 20:20 |
| buZz | but then it'll fly | 20:20 |
| sicelo | Hehe, that's a hyperbole :-D | 20:27 |
| sicelo | I wonder how leste would run on the one plus6/6t. | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: maybe worth trying https://github.com/TelepathyIM/telepathy-morse | 20:30 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: in case you don't read the log, I tried to answer some of your questions from yesterday | 20:32 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup: no problem, I was already reading it :) | 20:33 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: pmOS+Plasma is definitely not a good experience, at least the image from a few months ago | 20:39 |
| norayr | sicelo: i don't like phosh ui a lot (again answering an old 'thread'). | 20:39 |
| norayr | firstly it is slow, secondly, it is not as cool as hildon, and not as useful: | 20:39 |
| norayr | for instance, you need to scroll through the horizontal line of running apps | 20:39 |
| norayr | on phosh, and those running apps are represented by windows screenshots. | 20:39 |
| norayr | on hildon, you can see minimized windows, and updates in those - that's | 20:39 |
| norayr | very important to me. feel the real multitasking. and it's not only about | 20:39 |
| norayr | feelings - i'd like to see that there is no, or there is update in the window, | 20:39 |
| norayr | without making it fullscreen and switching to it. that might be some change | 20:39 |
| norayr | in the terminal window, for instance. | 20:39 |
| missMyN900 | Maemo is a lot smoother but there are some bugs (although Plasma has those too) | 20:40 |
| norayr | missMyN900: maemo leste works much much much better on droid4 than on pp. | 20:40 |
| uvos | honestly i wish hildon used screenshots too | 20:40 |
| norayr | you cannot imagine how smooth is it, and how fast it feels on droid4. | 20:40 |
| norayr | uvos, why? | 20:40 |
| norayr | screenshots are dumb (me in opiniated mode) | 20:40 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I can imagine. I had an N900 years ago | 20:41 |
| uvos | the overhead this creates (compositing) is not worth it | 20:41 |
| uvos | its a huge ram and memory bandwith drain | 20:41 |
| uvos | for something thats only marginally usefull | 20:41 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I always thought it was really cool, even on the N900 | 20:41 |
| uvos | sure its cool | 20:41 |
| norayr | well if it worked on n900, it wasn't draining memory that much. | 20:41 |
| norayr | aaaand, phosh on anything takes more memory than hildon on debian. | 20:41 |
| norayr | though it does screenshots. so there are other things to optimize. | 20:42 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: phosh is basically mobile GNOME 3 so that is not a surprise... | 20:42 |
| uvos | but how often are you gonting to be stearing at the tiny squares of windows | 20:42 |
| norayr | it's very useful to see all the windows together without scrolling. | 20:42 |
| uvos | sure | 20:42 |
| missMyN900 | I know, I know, but seeing mplayer continue to play is pure gold | 20:42 |
| norayr | and choose the one you need. even if you go back because there are, or there are no updates in some other. | 20:43 |
| norayr | btw, uvos norayr is inky, and inky is norayr. | 20:43 |
| uvos | missMyN900: it looks cool sure, but how usefull is it really to watch mplayer in tasknav? | 20:44 |
| norayr | the opposite feels very dead. android doesn't appeal to me because of it too. phosh too. sailfish and maemo are attractive because of it. | 20:45 |
| missMyN900 | I suppose I need to try Sailfish OS on the PP since I used to have a Jolla, too | 20:46 |
| uvos | this feature costs 20mb ram @ 10 windows, essantly breaking the n900s back at 20 some windows | 20:46 |
| missMyN900 | 20 MB/window? | 20:46 |
| norayr | >phosh is basically mobile GNOME 3 | 20:46 |
| norayr | i think i prefer mobile gnome 3 to phosh. (: | 20:46 |
| missMyN900 | or 2? | 20:46 |
| uvos | 2mb | 20:46 |
| uvos | 1 screen ish sized buffer | 20:46 |
| missMyN900 | not a problem on the PP then :) | 20:46 |
| norayr | 2mb per window | 20:47 |
| missMyN900 | especially not my 3 GB edition | 20:47 |
| uvos | well the memory bandwith is the real problem | 20:47 |
| uvos | for newer devices | 20:47 |
| missMyN900 | oh, right, I think the A64 has a low bandwidth, right? | 20:47 |
| missMyN900 | only 32 bits? | 20:47 |
| norayr | uvos then we just need to suggest a tweak for low memory/weak devices. so far i don't see a lot of such devices. | 20:47 |
| norayr | i would like to see maemo on n810, but it doesn't look it's going to happen. | 20:48 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: LOL most ML phones would qualify these days | 20:48 |
| norayr | and there that could be useful. | 20:48 |
| norayr | missMyN900: i have sailfish & maemo on pp now. sailfish is the most useful currently from all i have used, but i didn't try ubuntu. | 20:48 |
| missMyN900 | is it free? | 20:49 |
| norayr | missMyN900: but i will probably delete it and install maemo to emmc. | 20:49 |
| missMyN900 | because I know you had to pay for the Xperias | 20:49 |
| norayr | it has problems described beautifully on leste wiki. let me find it for you. | 20:49 |
| norayr | you pay if you use alien dalvik. otherwise you don't. | 20:49 |
| missMyN900 | oh, I don't care about that at all | 20:50 |
| norayr | i didn't use alien dalvik for years though i paid for the feature. i started using it for a month, and then again more than a year i didn't use it. | 20:50 |
| missMyN900 | there is no Android emulation on pmOS, Maemo etc either | 20:50 |
| norayr | there actually is something like that. maemo has andbox in repos. | 20:50 |
| missMyN900 | I used it when I had a Jolla as daily driver | 20:50 |
| norayr | and on wayland there is waydroid. | 20:50 |
| norayr | but why use linux to use android? | 20:50 |
| missMyN900 | well, back then I was using the Spotify app | 20:51 |
| norayr | jolla is near me, on a powerpc laptop. white on white. | 20:51 |
| norayr | yeah, i usually avoid locked ecosystems. at least i try. also i believe i saw some spotify clients for sailfish. probably not as good as their own. | 20:51 |
| norayr | but also probably much safer, because their own app would collect hell of info from your device. | 20:52 |
| norayr | maybe even from other devices around you. like facebook and instagram apps do. | 20:52 |
| norayr | https://leste.maemo.org/Leste_FAQ#How_about_other_popular_non-Android_mobile_Linux_distributions.3F | 20:54 |
| norayr | here, they say it brilliantly. | 20:54 |
| norayr | why not sailfish. | 20:54 |
| norayr | i actually had to install sailfish on pp because my xperia started to not work. i had backup of keys for 2fa, so installed sailfish on pp to use foilauth app. | 21:01 |
| norayr | then xperia got repaired, and i didn't boot pp's sailfish much. | 21:01 |
| norayr | btw sailfish stresses out how bad is pp's screen. compared to xperia's. | 21:01 |
| norayr | i need to write the ui for the same 2fa app, and port it to gtk or something. | 21:02 |
| norayr | i asked the dev and he said it's hell of a work to port the app to the regular linux, so he refused doing that. | 21:02 |
| Wizzup | uvos: I agree the compositing part feels like it should maybe be optional | 21:03 |
| norayr | that is what is very bad about sailfish. you teach yourself to use the apps and then you get tied to the platform. you cannot change the os anymore. | 21:03 |
| norayr | i'll try to port/rewrite my favourite sailfish apps to gtk. | 21:03 |
| norayr | that is my plan. | 21:03 |
| Wizzup | also for hildon-desktop on lima there are perf improvements we can make | 21:05 |
| uvos | norayr: kind of true with maemo too, with our special gtk and qt and whatnot | 21:08 |
| uvos | norayr: this is honestly my biggest gripe with mobile linux | 21:08 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I am definitely trying to move to buying more of the music I listen to but it is WIP | 21:08 |
| missMyN900 | so I am still partially dependent on Spotify | 21:08 |
| uvos | norayr: on desktop linux every app works everywhere - maybe it wont look right, but it will work thanks to xdg | 21:08 |
| norayr | uvos: true! but hildon libraries can be installed on anything! | 21:08 |
| uvos | on mobile linux | 21:08 |
| uvos | well | 21:09 |
| norayr | right? hildon libraries, so gtk program that uses hildon, can be run under gnome? kde? | 21:09 |
| uvos | no | 21:09 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: LOL, PP has an amazing screen compared to the Jolla | 21:09 |
| uvos | out gtk2 is incomatabil with regular gtk | 21:09 |
| missMyN900 | the Jolla screen isn't even 720p | 21:09 |
| uvos | either the hildon app works and nothing else or the hildon app breaks | 21:09 |
| uvos | you cant run a hildon gtk2 app on anything else really | 21:10 |
| norayr | missMyN900: did you compare dpi? | 21:10 |
| missMyN900 | no, but I doubt it is lower | 21:10 |
| missMyN900 | 960x540 on 4.5" is not great | 21:10 |
| norayr | uvos that needs to be solved somehow. no idea how. | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | I have never valued ultra high resolutions very much though | 21:11 |
| missMyN900 | I was just glad to upgrade from a low-end 320x240 phone to my N900 back in the day... | 21:11 |
| norayr | missMyN900: just when i look at the xperia screen, or even on jolla screen, i see everything much more clear. not sure why, maybe that's glass. | 21:11 |
| norayr | and on droid4 it is very clear. | 21:12 |
| uvos | the droid4 has a really wierd display | 21:13 |
| uvos | having 4 subpixels | 21:13 |
| norayr | but well, i didn't try sailfish on droid4. maybe that's especially visible under sailfish, don't know. | 21:13 |
| * norayr has no idea what is subpixel | 21:13 | |
| norayr | you mean one pixel is drawn by using 4 real pixels? | 21:13 |
| norayr | like it's dpi is one to four? | 21:13 |
| uvos | subpixel = red green blue pixel for eatch full pixel | 21:14 |
| uvos | (usually) | 21:14 |
| uvos | d4 also has 3 subpixels per pixel but they are red green and white or blue green and white or red blue and white | 21:15 |
| uvos | so luma resultion is double | 21:15 |
| uvos | compeard to croma resolution | 21:15 |
| uvos | kinda like ntsc video | 21:15 |
| uvos | anyhow the point of this wierd arrangement is to save power | 21:18 |
| uvos | but it makes the colors look poor | 21:19 |
| uvos | while keeping black on white text very clear | 21:19 |
| uvos | honsetly a good tradeoff for a phone - usually | 21:19 |
| uvos | but the color accuracy of these moto displays was allways slamed in reviews | 21:20 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: seems like the wiki referring to Sailfish and Nemo? | 21:37 |
| norayr | to sailfish for sure. nemo was based on mer, but today they are based on manjaro. | 22:05 |
| missMyN900 | what? seriously? | 22:06 |
| missMyN900 | Manjaro? | 22:06 |
| Wizzup | nemo based on manjaro? heh | 22:09 |
| buZz | maemo leste on emmc? | 22:09 |
| buZz | oh ooks | 22:09 |
| buZz | oops* | 22:09 |
| buZz | i was scrolled up | 22:09 |
| buZz | uvos: how does qidgets store its layout? | 22:11 |
| buZz | if not in a .qml | 22:11 |
| buZz | and i agree, just icons or screenshots if saved-so-much-IO would be worth it | 22:12 |
| norayr | buZz - yes, my friend uses leste on emmc. | 22:16 |
| norayr | and i intent as well. | 22:16 |
| norayr | people don't deprive us from live minimized windows - that's why we are here. | 22:17 |
| buZz | nice | 22:18 |
| buZz | i still want to try emmc leste on d4 | 22:18 |
| buZz | its such a nice leste device | 22:18 |
| buZz | faster gpu than pp too | 22:18 |
| Wizzup | I think you can just do it tbh | 22:25 |
| Wizzup | well, I mean, you need to find the right partition | 22:26 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: hi! see PM | 22:26 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: ty | 22:44 |
| buZz | Wizzup: maybe the partition table can be wiped even | 22:49 |
| buZz | or well, partly | 22:49 |
| buZz | altered anyway | 22:50 |
| Wizzup | buZz: no | 22:50 |
| Wizzup | that will break booting | 22:51 |
| Wizzup | but partially altered, yes | 22:51 |
| uvos | no | 22:51 |
| uvos | mbm checks the partition table | 22:51 |
| uvos | alterin it at all will cause boot failure | 22:52 |
| uvos | that said installing leste on emmc is no problem | 22:52 |
| uvos | all my devices except the primary d4 have it on emmc | 22:52 |
| Wizzup | care to share some info on it? | 22:52 |
| uvos | sure | 22:52 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: I am not sure the volume slider is working. I tried it yesterday with mplayer and it did not have any effect. Volume was very high. | 22:56 |
| missMyN900 | is the openmediaplayer ready to use? Maybe I can test it with that | 22:56 |
| buZz | but you cant get a >8GB partition of that 16GB emmc on d4 | 23:02 |
| uvos | http://http://uvos.xyz/maserati/LesteXT894EmmcInstall.txt | 23:13 |
| uvos | pretty baberic dding a mounted fs | 23:14 |
| uvos | but it works | 23:14 |
| uvos | you could also just create filesystems and copy everything over if you want | 23:14 |
| uvos | missMyN900: if the sync name is wrong, it wont work | 23:16 |
| uvos | missMyN900: in effect it only works ootb on mapphones | 23:16 |
| uvos | http://uvos.xyz/maserati/LesteXT894EmmcInstall.txt | 23:18 |
| Wizzup | s/sync/sink/ | 23:18 |
| Wizzup | uvos: thanks | 23:18 |
| uvos | note this also works on xt875 but the partition numbers are off by one | 23:20 |
| uvos | since xt875 has one partition less making the numbers off after p20 or so | 23:20 |
| uvos | for referance http://uvos.xyz/maserati/stockinfo/partitions/xt894.txt | 23:21 |
| uvos | (i lack sutch a file for xt875) | 23:21 |
| uvos | also xt860 has a mutch smaller emmc and this dosent apply to it | 23:21 |
| uvos | you can also put stuff into other pattions ofc | 23:22 |
| uvos | but note the protected leves of mbm | 23:22 |
| uvos | messing with parttions <=p4 will brick your device | 23:23 |
| uvos | mbm checks hash of mmcblk1p14 mmcblk1p15 mmcblk1p17 mmcblk1p11 mmcblk1p12 and p1-7 | 23:24 |
| uvos | mbm checks mmcblk1p20 for a filesystem and lable | 23:24 |
| uvos | the filesystem must be ext3 ! | 23:24 |
| uvos | lable must be "system" | 23:25 |
| uvos | other than that you can do what you want with p20 | 23:25 |
| uvos | mbm dosent giva a rats *** about any of the other partitions | 23:25 |
| Wizzup | buZz: maybe worth making a wiki entry out of this if you have time ^ :) | 23:27 |
| lel | MerlijnWajer closed a pull request: https://github.com/maemo-leste/hildon-meta/pull/7 (add maemo-statusmenu-volume) | 23:30 |
| xes | Wizzup: the new maedevu server is a clone or a fresh setup? can we stop the old one? | 23:35 |
| Wizzup | fresh setup, it is a good point, I need to check if anything else needs to be done or moved over | 23:39 |
| buZz | Wizzup: which this? | 23:51 |
| buZz | emmc install? | 23:52 |
| buZz | i'd love to if i could understand it more ;) | 23:52 |
| buZz | but i could make a empty/imprecise one | 23:52 |
| Wizzup | buZz: well, if you want to try to do emmc install, he provided you with instructions :) | 23:55 |
| Wizzup | hildon-meta is in beowulf-devel with vol applet | 23:56 |
| Wizzup | if it's good we can put it in beowulf (stable) | 23:56 |
| * Wizzup zzz | 23:56 | |
| buZz | oo xt894 is d4? :P | 23:59 |
| buZz | right | 23:59 |
| buZz | lol | 23:59 |
| buZz | i'll go try a wikihowto of it, but not before sunday ;) | 23:59 |
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