| missMyN900 | it has been more than 1 h based on IRC time stamp | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| missMyN900 | yeah, location must not be working on PP | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | even without A-GPS this seems excessive | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | or maybe the GPS module in the PP just isn't very good | 00:00 |
| missMyN900 | alright guys I am going devel | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | wish me luck ;) | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | lots of updates | 00:02 |
| missMyN900 | this is looking good | 00:03 |
| missMyN900 | if I had not bought the PP already (to use as an LTE hotspot), I would have bought a DB if I was aware of ML | 00:05 |
| missMyN900 | (I discovered ML because of the PP) | 00:08 |
| missMyN900 | alright, I am going to do some Haiku testing/debugging | 00:09 |
| missMyN900 | I am going to try it on some more laptops (I am getting rid of some old ones) | 00:10 |
| missMyN900 | the 2G/3G situation is a lot worse than I thought: https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/a-complete-overview-of-2g-3g-sunsets | 04:34 |
| missMyN900 | it is a global problem | 04:34 |
| missMyN900 | this is bad news for mapphones... | 04:35 |
| missMyN900 | uvos__: why is Droid 4 support so difficult to maintain? Are there frequent regressions in the upstream kernel? | 06:10 |
| missMyN900 | it certainly looks like the days of the OMAP phones (as actual phones) are finally numbered... | 06:11 |
| missMyN900 | Pinephone will become more important for Leste then, despite its limitations | 06:11 |
| missMyN900 | OMAP devices will only be good for nostalgia and as cheap dev devices but perhaps eventually the support burden may no longer be worth it? | 06:12 |
| missMyN900 | theoretically you could use them with an LTE hotspot and VoIP but that is not very practical | 06:13 |
| missMyN900 | I guess for norayr's WiFi-only friends they will be good | 06:14 |
| uvos__ | there are frequent regessions/issues | 08:03 |
| uvos__ | lots of stuff that dosent allways work right | 08:03 |
| uvos__ | even the mapphones though 99% upstreamed in mainline, require various out of tree patches you have to maintain | 08:04 |
| uvos__ | this isent specific to the d4, in fact its the least fussy device we support, since its support almost fully lives in upstream kernel.org repos and tmlind mostly maintains it for us. | 08:05 |
| uvos__ | point is that these random arm devices are poorly supported and where there is support its poorly tested and where its tested no one cared about pm etc because it was tested on sbcs | 08:06 |
| uvos__ | to give you a taste: the pp has constant lima problems and a absouly massive out of tree patch set you have to maintain, the n900 works with a mostly upstream kernel but it ends up failing to boot seemingly every other kernel release | 08:08 |
| uvos__ | th only one that seams to quietly just work is bionic :P | 08:09 |
| uvos__ | wrt 2g/3g shutdowns yeah its a big problem | 08:18 |
| uvos__ | but we dont really have a alternative atm | 08:18 |
| uvos__ | at least where live i looks like 2g will stick around until 2030ish | 08:18 |
| uvos__ | there is also the possibility (dont hold you breath) of getting the mapphones LTE modem going | 08:19 |
| sicelo | wrong @n900 failing to boot | 10:55 |
| norayr | heh, i think my pinephone started to sleep under leste. | 13:29 |
| norayr | or i just started noticing it. | 13:29 |
| norayr | when i don't touch it, and then touch it, pidgin starts to reconnect. | 13:29 |
| norayr | this are mnt reform specs: NXP/Freescale i.MX8MQ with 4x ARM Cortex-A53 cores (1.5 GHz), 1x Cortex-M4F core | 13:30 |
| norayr | interesting, what you people know about it. | 13:31 |
| norayr | regarding linux support. | 13:31 |
| norayr | and i think they announced they work on a phone. | 13:32 |
| norayr | or maybe i was far from the access point for some time. | 13:35 |
| norayr | love this so much love this so much https://xn--y9azesw6bu.xn--y9a3aq/media/uploads/2022/05/31/ce12c8d9-4cd8-48fc-a2d5-32b004d8d585.png | 19:05 |
| Wizzup | pidgin? | 19:07 |
| norayr | yep. | 19:07 |
| Wizzup | yeah it works | 19:07 |
| norayr | even the keyboard works well. if i tap on a field which already has something, it lets me edit it. | 19:07 |
| norayr | need to build/package amazfish. it'll allow many watches to work. the default daemon conf is for systemd there, need to convert to sysv. | 19:08 |
| norayr | if bt will be recognized on device of course. | 19:09 |
| Wizzup | yes, that's the him gtk2 integration | 19:14 |
| norayr | yeah that is great. | 19:30 |
| Wizzup | we'll add it for gtk3 soon | 19:37 |
| Wizzup | I am pretty sure the him port of it is trivial | 19:37 |
| Wizzup | at least, the im module itself | 19:37 |
| Wizzup | maybe there are other patches that I don't know of | 19:37 |
| missMyN900 | <uvos__> there is also the possibility (dont hold you breath) of getting the mapphones LTE modem going : problem is I think the mapphones LTE modem is useless in Europe or even on another US network | 19:56 |
| norayr | when i was doing keyboards i didn'g add dvorak's keybpard so i suffer every daywhen i was doing keyboards i didn'g add dvorak's keybpard so i suffer every day | 19:56 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I am a bit familiar with the MNT Reform | 19:57 |
| norayr | omgomg | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | however, there is still one issue with it | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | I don't remember exactly | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | something battery related | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | that is a hassle | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | so I would not buy it until you have confirmed that has been fixed | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | also there is the issue of the i.MX8 being a bit dated | 19:57 |
| missMyN900 | I mean, even an Allwinner H6 goes to 1.8 GHz at least | 19:58 |
| missMyN900 | RK3566 has newer Cortex A55s | 19:58 |
| missMyN900 | big cores would be nice for a laptop | 19:58 |
| missMyN900 | I think higher clocked A55s would be acceptable for me personally | 19:58 |
| missMyN900 | but 1.5 GHz A53 meh | 19:58 |
| missMyN900 | for example, the new ODROID M1 has 2 GHz A55s (RK3568) | 19:59 |
| missMyN900 | now *that* would be nice in an affordable laptop | 19:59 |
| uvos | its fairly unlikely that motorola really desinged a lte frontend that works on only one band | 19:59 |
| missMyN900 | but how do you get it to work on other bands/ | 20:00 |
| uvos | the modem runs android with an exploitable bootloader | 20:00 |
| missMyN900 | the modem runs Android??? | 20:00 |
| uvos | yes | 20:00 |
| uvos | android 2.1 | 20:00 |
| uvos | its a omap2 | 20:00 |
| uvos | with 128mb ram | 20:00 |
| missMyN900 | the Motorola modem? | 20:00 |
| uvos | yes | 20:00 |
| missMyN900 | so it is almost like the Pinephone then | 20:00 |
| missMyN900 | PP has an A7 running Linux | 20:00 |
| missMyN900 | in the Quectel EG-25 | 20:01 |
| uvos | its way more over engeneered than the pinephone | 20:01 |
| uvos | the modem has a gpu xD | 20:01 |
| missMyN900 | nooo.... | 20:01 |
| missMyN900 | the LTE modem will definitely kill battery life though... | 20:01 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: how is it possible that DB has so little issues? | 20:01 |
| missMyN900 | isn't it very similar to the D4? | 20:01 |
| uvos | yes | 20:01 |
| uvos | but for some reason it allways works slightly better than the d4 | 20:02 |
| missMyN900 | also, I would hope that PP lima issues improve as it becomes more mature?? | 20:02 |
| uvos | problem is no one works on x | 20:02 |
| missMyN900 | oh... | 20:02 |
| missMyN900 | :( | 20:02 |
| uvos | so maybe but not really | 20:02 |
| missMyN900 | what is the plan for the GTK2 parts of Hildon btw? | 20:03 |
| missMyN900 | GTK3 or Qt5/6 eventually? | 20:03 |
| uvos | gtk2 forever probubly | 20:03 |
| missMyN900 | and that means X11 forever... | 20:03 |
| uvos | switching to wayland means rewrite | 20:04 |
| uvos | so yeah then you can go gtk3 at the same time | 20:04 |
| uvos | or qt whatever | 20:04 |
| missMyN900 | I guess some day someone will have to make a Hildon clone UI | 20:04 |
| missMyN900 | in new technologies | 20:04 |
| missMyN900 | if we want the Hildon experience to live on | 20:04 |
| missMyN900 | which I think is a good idea | 20:04 |
| missMyN900 | actually, I had lost faith in mobile phones | 20:05 |
| missMyN900 | until I got my PP but now that I know of the issues | 20:05 |
| missMyN900 | I am still pessimistic | 20:05 |
| missMyN900 | but I still believe in tablets | 20:05 |
| missMyN900 | (and using some phones as tablets ;) ) | 20:05 |
| missMyN900 | and I think Hildon is good for tablets | 20:05 |
| Wizzup | I downloaded a pinetab image from 2020 from archive.org to test if the display works | 20:07 |
| Wizzup | uvos: why gtk2 forever? it can be gtk3 | 20:07 |
| missMyN900 | is there no PT image anymore? | 20:07 |
| uvos | Wizzup: im pessimistic | 20:07 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: there is, but the display doesn't work there | 20:07 |
| Wizzup | uvos: *shrug* yeah maybe | 20:07 |
| missMyN900 | :( | 20:07 |
| uvos | for what its worth | 20:07 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup: have you started working on suspend on the PP by chance? | 20:08 |
| uvos | there was a iniative in fremantle that did port some stuff to gtk3 allready | 20:08 |
| missMyN900 | but what is the point when there is already GTK4 | 20:08 |
| uvos | but switching to wayland requires throwing away him, hildon-desktop at least | 20:08 |
| missMyN900 | and GTK folks don't seem to care for anything but GNOME | 20:08 |
| missMyN900 | uvos speaking of him | 20:09 |
| uvos | the gtk3->4 transition fairly small | 20:09 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtvirtualkeyboard-index.html | 20:10 |
| missMyN900 | this is what qtwebbrowser uses | 20:10 |
| missMyN900 | the features look pretty good | 20:10 |
| missMyN900 | why not replace HIM with this everywhere? | 20:10 |
| uvos | yes i know | 20:10 |
| missMyN900 | (at least in Qt5/6) | 20:10 |
| uvos | its very tightly tied to qt tho | 20:10 |
| missMyN900 | most apps will be Qt though? | 20:11 |
| uvos | no | 20:11 |
| uvos | most apps will be what every they please | 20:11 |
| uvos | *whatever | 20:11 |
| missMyN900 | well, but there were already many Qt apps for the N900, right? | 20:11 |
| uvos | sure | 20:11 |
| missMyN900 | even the calculator and clock are Qt | 20:11 |
| uvos | there are also millions of desktop linux applications | 20:11 |
| uvos | that are not qt | 20:11 |
| missMyN900 | anyway, speaking of qtvirtualkeyboard | 20:13 |
| missMyN900 | I was checking out the qtwebbrowser source code yesterday | 20:13 |
| missMyN900 | also, the Qt Docs page | 20:13 |
| missMyN900 | and there don't seem to have been any major updates/improvements | 20:13 |
| missMyN900 | I checked the SettingsView and there is no search engine choice option | 20:13 |
| missMyN900 | Qt Docs page also only mentions Google | 20:14 |
| missMyN900 | so I think I will continue modding qtwebbrowser | 20:14 |
| missMyN900 | no need to wait | 20:14 |
| uvos | they did add plugin support | 20:14 |
| uvos | thats a pretty big feature | 20:14 |
| missMyN900 | well, but that doesn't really affect anything I wanted to work on though? | 20:15 |
| uvos | i dont know how far the codebase has diverged is the point | 20:15 |
| uvos | if you do want to make major improvements | 20:15 |
| missMyN900 | I can use the new codebase as a starting point | 20:15 |
| missMyN900 | and wait for Chimaera | 20:15 |
| uvos | it makese sense to check if they can apply to the new codebase | 20:15 |
| missMyN900 | please don't expect too much from me ;) | 20:16 |
| missMyN900 | I don't know anything about web browser dev | 20:16 |
| missMyN900 | and am not an experienced Qt dev | 20:16 |
| missMyN900 | so I am just looking for low hanging fruit | 20:16 |
| missMyN900 | but I think any small improvement that improves the ML browsing experience at little cost is worth it | 20:17 |
| missMyN900 | hmm Bullseye is on 5.15 | 20:18 |
| missMyN900 | so Chimaera would be too | 20:18 |
| missMyN900 | isn't 5.15 a proprietary LTS though? | 20:18 |
| uvos | not really | 20:19 |
| uvos | the comunity just has to maintain the patchset itself | 20:19 |
| uvos | the patches are still foss | 20:19 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: no, not working on suspend for pp | 20:24 |
| Wizzup | likely not high on my prio list | 20:24 |
| missMyN900 | what is high on your prio list? :D | 20:24 |
| Wizzup | droid 4 audio register fixes for calls, droid 4 ofono fixes, n900 u-boot patch | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | and conversations telepathy work for dsc | 20:25 |
| missMyN900 | ah so no PP dev :( | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | I was trying the pinephone keyboard the other day | 20:25 |
| missMyN900 | does it work on ML? | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | btw there are d4's on ebay atm: https://www.ebay.com/itm/173903945812 | 20:25 |
| missMyN900 | I would rather get a DB | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | it should work on ML, and it does from the experience of others, just not for me | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | bionic? | 20:25 |
| missMyN900 | yes | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | *shrug* you can do that too :) | 20:26 |
| missMyN900 | especially if uvos says they don't cause much trouble | 20:26 |
| Wizzup | I like a hardware keyboard :) | 20:26 |
| missMyN900 | me too | 20:26 |
| Wizzup | bionic lacks that | 20:26 |
| missMyN900 | but I would rather get something that is in good condition | 20:26 |
| missMyN900 | and not too expensive | 20:26 |
| Wizzup | I think the d4 is in the same condition as the bionic | 20:26 |
| Wizzup | maybe bionic has /slightly/ better pm | 20:26 |
| missMyN900 | not as the new DBs | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | ok then | 20:27 |
| Wizzup | up to you | 20:27 |
| missMyN900 | but I am still on the fence | 20:27 |
| missMyN900 | PP support will have to be improved eventually | 20:27 |
| missMyN900 | as it is the future | 20:27 |
| missMyN900 | and the more I use mine, the more I test it | 20:28 |
| missMyN900 | PP with 3 GB RAM is also more usable as a tablet replacement | 20:28 |
| missMyN900 | won't be using the DB as a phone anyway since I am not on Verizon | 20:28 |
| missMyN900 | and Verizon does not register DBs anymore for new customers anyway if I wanted to switch | 20:28 |
| missMyN900 | and 2G/3G is dead in the US | 20:28 |
| missMyN900 | modern web with 1 GB RAM is not great... | 20:29 |
| missMyN900 | pm is really an issue though. The PP drains within hours. | 20:30 |
| missMyN900 | only way to avoid it is to turn it off completely | 20:30 |
| missMyN900 | that is why suspend matters to me | 20:30 |
| missMyN900 | I wouldn't mind trying something myself but to get it out of suspend again, I would have to connect it to the power button somehow | 20:30 |
| Wizzup | right, if you're in the us then the d4 is less of an option | 20:32 |
| uvos | the bionic is not locked to verizon | 20:48 |
| uvos | so if tmobile allows new 2g/3g gsm phones | 20:48 |
| uvos | or att | 20:48 |
| uvos | i would work | 20:49 |
| uvos | *it | 20:49 |
| uvos | i use the modern web on the d4 quite a bit with ff | 20:49 |
| uvos | the ram is never an issue | 20:50 |
| uvos | the cpu speed however is | 20:50 |
| missMyN900 | t-mobile has shut down their 3G | 20:53 |
| missMyN900 | or at least they are very close to it | 20:54 |
| missMyN900 | actually received a message from them on an Android phone that was incorrectly configured | 20:54 |
| uvos | well if they continue with plain gsm | 20:54 |
| uvos | it would still work | 20:55 |
| uvos | for calls at least | 20:55 |
| missMyN900 | isn't it ironic that you would be going back in time essentially? | 20:58 |
| missMyN900 | uvos: but basically if Xorg is not a priority for lima then PP/PT support on ML will never be as good as mapphones? | 21:12 |
| missMyN900 | obvious solution would be the PPP... However, I doubt Panfrost cares much about Xorg | 21:13 |
| Wizzup | I think panfrost will work on X | 21:22 |
| norayr | missMyN900, no but seriously. not people like me, but even today, i believe most people use their so called 'messengers' to communicate with each other, because they have wifi at home and at work and at restaurants and everywhere. | 21:39 |
| norayr | the carriers are gradually becoming what hey should be - internet service providers. | 21:40 |
| uvos | missMyN900: they DO care about x, at least they where helpfull when Wizzup and fmg came to mesa with issues needing resolution | 21:50 |
| uvos | but xorg just dosent get as mutch testing | 21:51 |
| uvos | since wayland took over fairly fast on arm | 21:51 |
| uvos | as for being better than maphones wrt 3d | 21:52 |
| uvos | im sure the pp will overtake the mapphones at some point | 21:53 |
| uvos | the mapphones are burdoned with the partally closed source driver for sgx | 21:53 |
| uvos | sgx works a bit better right now, but i would say this is a transient state of affairs | 21:54 |
| Wizzup | well the pp screen res is much higher right | 22:01 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup, uvos: I think I may have found a solution for the PP pm issues! | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | by the way, does offline mode actually work on the PP? | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | because it occurred to me that I never actually verified that | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | and drain was still absurd with it enabled | 22:23 |
| missMyN900 | also, I did not have hildon-connectivity whatever installed since I was not on devel | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | so I am not sure if anything modem related is even working | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | so maybe the modem was still on | 22:24 |
| missMyN900 | eventually ML should probably also incorporate the alternative open source modem "firmware" (Linux distro) to get better battery life | 22:25 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: I think we have crust, don't we? | 22:35 |
| Wizzup | I don't know how well it is tested but I think we have it | 22:36 |
| missMyN900 | is it used by default? | 22:36 |
| missMyN900 | is it only in devel? | 22:36 |
| Wizzup | I don't know, I just seem to remember parazyd set it up or something | 22:36 |
| Wizzup | I need to go out for a bit | 22:37 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: I think we should probably make hildon-rtcom-meta or somrthing | 22:37 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | yes, crust is in leste. I manually use it. It just crashes on wakeup from time to time | 22:37 |
| missMyN900 | ok that is good news | 22:38 |
| missMyN900 | but that is only one part of the problem | 22:38 |
| missMyN900 | ML needs to actually utilize the deep sleep | 22:38 |
| missMyN900 | I read on ML GitHub that actually zzztop was already used on N900 a few years ago | 22:39 |
| missMyN900 | so it does work on ML? | 22:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's just a perl script | 22:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it pretty portable | 22:43 |
| missMyN900 | sixwheeledbeast: where can I download it? | 22:45 |
| missMyN900 | would love to try it on the PP | 22:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | is the source not on git? if not the meamo package will be fine, i think it was on fatphils website. | 22:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/zzztop.pl.txt | 22:50 |
| missMyN900 | yeah I found the website | 22:51 |
| missMyN900 | MartijnBraam[m]: does pmOS use crust-firmware? | 22:56 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | yes | 22:56 |
| missMyN900 | ok cool | 22:57 |
| missMyN900 | I am thinking of trying pmOS+XFCE4 this summer | 22:57 |
| missMyN900 | unhappy with Plasma and Phosh; I am waiting for 22.06 | 22:57 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | nice | 22:57 |
| missMyN900 | actually, has qtwebbrowser been fixed on pmOS already? | 22:59 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | I'm not sure | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | last time (Nov/Dec 2021) I tried it scaling was broken | 22:59 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | I basically only use firefox in pmos | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | but it did inspire me to suggest the port to ML | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | :) | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | ah | 22:59 |
| missMyN900 | I guess I will have to try it myself in 22.06 | 22:59 |
| Wizzup | missMyN900: fwiw I have not used zzztop on the n900, we know mostly what blocks idle states | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | see https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/545 | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | I am selling my Raspberry Pi and Wandboard so now I have additional microSDs to use with the PP :) | 23:00 |
| Wizzup | basically we need to look at idling more drivers/subsystems | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup: yes, I don't have an N900 anymore as my username might suggest ;) | 23:00 |
| missMyN900 | I am only interested in PP | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | ok, right, so zzztop was for somethin else | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | ok | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | sry | 23:01 |
| * Wizzup is tired | 23:01 | |
| missMyN900 | no problem | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | so afaik this works http://maemopkgove3kc2xxzyuk26j3ict6qzbqi3govge3s6h5aokr2uo6eqd.onion | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | I haven't tried with apt tor transport yet | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | but maybe someone can | 23:01 |
| missMyN900 | hmmm | 23:01 |
| missMyN900 | PP is not booting the May 29 image | 23:02 |
| missMyN900 | noti LED is red | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | did you dd the xz'd image? | 23:02 |
| Wizzup | that happens sometimes if folks forget a step | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | I did that once | 23:03 |
| missMyN900 | but not this time: dd if=maemo-leste-1.0-arm64-pinephone-20220529.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M conv=fsyn | 23:03 |
| Wizzup | if you still have a problem tomorrow I'll try it on mine | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | do you have a 3 GB model? | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | maybe the 3 GB support is broken | 23:04 |
| missMyN900 | most devs probably don't have one, I imagine | 23:05 |
| missMyN900 | I guess it is a good thing I have one | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | I think folks here do | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | ah it is booting | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | I think I experienced this with 22 as well | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | very strange | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | but this time I pressed the power button first | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | and then I connected it to the charger | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | even though it normally boots up automatically | 23:09 |
| missMyN900 | I also put the SD card and battery in again | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | but I don't think that was the issue | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | no black screen issue | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | I also get the welcome message this time | 23:10 |
| missMyN900 | ah I see expandcard.sh also uses resize2fs | 23:11 |
| missMyN900 | hmmm | 23:12 |
| missMyN900 | fdisk not found; partprobe not found | 23:12 |
| missMyN900 | resize2fs not found | 23:12 |
| missMyN900 | fdisk is installed... | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | Wizzup: I think I know what is going on | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | the script is not using sudo | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | I have this issue all the time on my Debian desktop | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | (I have been too lazy to set up sudo) | 23:15 |
| missMyN900 | (so I always use su) | 23:16 |
| missMyN900 | I modded it and now it is working indeed | 23:18 |
| missMyN900 | it is very useful to have a Debian desktop as an ML user | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | I guess you guys never use this since you installed ML a long time ago | 23:19 |
| missMyN900 | norayr: I have an excellent porting suggestion for you: desktop command execution widget! | 23:57 |
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