| buZz | nice :) maybe we can collect some photos etc | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Wizzup | oh yeah for sure | 00:01 |
| buZz | do we now have a repo of our SDL fork(s) ? | 00:22 |
| buZz | or arent we using forks anymore of that? | 00:22 |
| buZz | https://github.com/maemo-leste/libsdl , i guess? seems so old.. 2019 | 00:23 |
| buZz | hmmz, does seem to originate from leste .. libsdl2-2.0-0 at least | 00:25 |
| buZz | eh 2.0.14+dfsg2-3+2m7.8 | 00:25 |
| Wizzup | we ought to check out the newer sdl compat stuff too | 00:32 |
| Wizzup | iirc it was supposedly mostly complete now | 00:32 |
| buZz | man, they are kinda resisting to fix this 'as the software renderer shouldnt have it' | 00:33 |
| buZz | i feel this is gonna be slow , the hw renderer already just does 20-30fps :P | 00:33 |
| Wizzup | "this'? | 00:39 |
| buZz | oh, nevermind, i misunderstood what its being used for | 00:40 |
| buZz | but on droid4 , if i dont use the hw scaling , there's nothing drawn to screen, unless i open the task viewer , and only briefly then , because the program kills itself on alt-tab | 00:41 |
| buZz | but on pinephone, without hw scaling, it works totally fine | 00:41 |
| buZz | Wizzup: is that 2.0.14+dfsg2-3+2m7.8 from our repos somewhere? | 00:50 |
| buZz | can i link the devilutionX devs to it? :P | 00:51 |
| buZz | lol! funny enough, on Nokia N900 the game doesnt see there's a touchscreen! so it runs in normal 'mouse' mode | 00:53 |
| buZz | which kinda works easier? not sure | 00:53 |
| Wizzup | buZz: ours is probably outdated at this point | 00:54 |
| Wizzup | buZz: n900 is resistive and not mt | 00:54 |
| buZz | but thats what we are using now, right? | 00:54 |
| buZz | i know | 00:54 |
| Wizzup | could be related | 00:54 |
| Wizzup | 2.0.14 seems like just libsdl2? | 00:55 |
| buZz | oh, yes, libsdl2 indeed, sorry | 00:57 |
| buZz | thats the 'libsdl2-2.0-0' | 00:57 |
| buZz | devilutionX runs quite well on N900 regardless, btw | 00:57 |
| Wizzup | cool, glad ot hear | 00:59 |
| Wizzup | I need to get some sleep :) | 00:59 |
| buZz | welterusten | 01:00 |
| buZz | i'll just do our own fork for now, and later when they release 1.5 we might have it all fixed either on libsdl2 side, or on devilutionX side | 01:01 |
| buZz | but where is our libsdl2! :D | 01:01 |
| buZz | even if outdated | 01:01 |
| buZz | ah https://github.com/maemo-leste-upstream-forks/libsdl2 | 01:02 |
| buZz | this? | 01:02 |
| buZz | yeah, seems so :) | 01:02 |
| Wizzup | yes | 01:03 |
| buZz | lol | 01:10 |
| buZz | The key you just pressed is not recognized by SDL. To help get this fixed, please report this to the SDL forums/mailing list <https://discourse.libsdl.org/> X11 KeyCode 124 (116), X11 KeySym 0x1008FF2A (XF86PowerOff). | 01:10 |
| buZz | (pressed the powerbutton in devilutionX on N900) | 01:10 |
| buZz | hahaha lol | 02:07 |
| buZz | [INFO @radicale] @radicale/radicalecal: adding "unnamed" | 02:07 |
| buZz | [ERROR @radicale] @radicale/radicalecal: error code from SyncEvolution remote, status 400: PUT: bad HTTP status: <status 1.0, code 400, class 4, Bad Request> | 02:07 |
| buZz | radicale isnt allowing me to upload unnamed events :P | 02:07 |
| buZz | hmmz, ok , deleting it fixed it , but GUI sync seems to fault while commandline sync goes fine | 02:14 |
| buZz | ahh, same thing on contacts with a 'nickname' but no real name :P | 02:23 |
| buZz | ahhh! that fixes the gui sync aswell :P | 02:31 |
| buZz | started trying this stuff; https://paste.debian.net/plain/1256503 | 02:59 |
| buZz | sidetracked , made a stand to hold 3 phones ; https://i.imgur.com/ZoDpQca.png | 03:26 |
| buZz | tea, and bed :) | 03:27 |
| freemangordon | sicelo: just send that to the ML, it seems like something simple to be fixed, I just lack the knowledge to do it | 06:55 |
| sicelo | freemangordon: yes, thanks. i came to that conclusion too. at least now i have better logs to share | 07:45 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 07:46 |
| Wizzup | buZz: nice @ stand | 09:56 |
| uvos__ | sdl_compat dosent work with hildon for several reasons | 10:33 |
| uvos__ | one is that it fights with hildon over the window size (if the window is not the right size it just resizes its own window in a tight loop) pretty terrible behavior | 10:34 |
| uvos__ | it also fails to init gl when glx is not avaialble | 10:34 |
| uvos__ | so rn it would require some work for it work on leste at all | 10:34 |
| uvos__ | never mind edge cases | 10:34 |
| uvos__ | with createive sdl1 usage | 10:34 |
| Wizzup | aha | 10:35 |
| uvos__ | we used to need patched sdl2 beacuse of brokenness in hildon | 10:35 |
| uvos__ | wrt fullscreen | 10:35 |
| uvos__ | this was fixed | 10:35 |
| uvos__ | so afaik now we should be able to use devuan sdl2 | 10:36 |
| uvos__ | i think we might be doing so | 10:36 |
| uvos__ | and the repo is just old | 10:36 |
| uvos__ | but its something to check | 10:36 |
| Wizzup | mhm | 10:37 |
| uvos__ | buZz: the power button thing | 10:40 |
| uvos__ | we might really want to report | 10:40 |
| uvos__ | i had to hack around that in charging_sdl | 10:40 |
| buZz | Wizzup: seen these aswell? https://gist.github.com/buzztiaan/bd3e3a5dda5d96239be0afabdb88a587 | 12:03 |
| buZz | & mornin' | 12:03 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 12:04 |
| Wizzup | cute :D | 12:04 |
| buZz | :) i should finish that other phone stand i was making, that uses the maemo leste logo | 12:14 |
| buZz | but ah well, it would be a lot bigger for just a single phone | 12:16 |
| buZz | ~someday | 12:16 |
| freemangordon | uvos__: seems compositing in xorg driver is related to fonts rendering | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | uvos__: TBH I don;t think the issues we have with scrolling speed are related to h-d compositing | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | the gtk patch you linked seemed promising | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | doesn;t help much | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | hm | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | we gain 1-2 fps, but not a decider | 12:20 |
| buZz | whats that in % ? | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | 30 vs 31, for example | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | I don;t have hard nublers | 12:21 |
| buZz | ok, so ~5% | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | it is really hard to get those | 12:21 |
| buZz | yeah i guess | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | gtkperf does not help much | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | also, it seems there is but in xorg driver that leads to pvr sometimes hang the rendering | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | with gtkperf that is | 12:22 |
| Wizzup | maybe some profiling tools can suggest where the times goes, but that might be quite hard | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 12:22 |
| Wizzup | ah | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | *bug | 12:22 |
| buZz | i can get pvr to hang sometime on droid4 , never really sure why/how | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | well, it hangs for a second or so, but that breaks the results | 12:22 |
| buZz | usually during a fade of the powermenu | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | hang == timeout | 12:23 |
| uvos__ | freemangordon: its useless the | 12:23 |
| uvos__ | then | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | which one? | 12:23 |
| uvos__ | nothing renders fonts trough x anymore | 12:23 |
| buZz | freemangordon: oh, no, unless its >1 minute? | 12:23 |
| uvos__ | except stuff like xterm | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | gtk2 seems do does it | 12:23 |
| buZz | might be hitting something else, not sute | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | *to do | 12:23 |
| buZz | sure* | 12:23 |
| uvos__ | x font rendering? | 12:23 |
| uvos__ | no it pushes pixmaps | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | uvos__: or, it does something else through x compositing | 12:24 |
| uvos__ | the core font stuff dosent even suport hinting or antiallising | 12:24 |
| uvos__ | nothing uses it | 12:24 |
| buZz | https://github.com/spinal84/hildon-desktop <- this mentions something about compositing in the readme | 12:24 |
| uvos__ | but sure it might be used in a different way | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | but, if I do compositing in the driver noop, GtkTextView gtkperf bench time gets halved | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | buZz: better use leste h-d repo for reference | 12:25 |
| uvos__ | sure but this is not core x font rendering, it its like qt it uses truetype fonts and pushes the rendered pixmaps of the chars to x | 12:25 |
| buZz | right, oh, yes, that has the same txt | 12:25 |
| uvos__ | then those pixmaps might be compsoed by x | 12:25 |
| uvos__ | so maybe | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | uvos__: yes, but maybe it does alpha blending or something | 12:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah, right | 12:26 |
| freemangordon | so it still makes sense to finish HW accelerated compositing | 12:26 |
| freemangordon | but, unfortunately tehre are no more low-hanging fruits | 12:26 |
| uvos__ | freemangordon: ok | 12:27 |
| freemangordon | actually there is one more patch in gdk-pixmaps I will test later on | 12:27 |
| uvos__ | ok | 12:27 |
| uvos__ | still its unfortionate hildon costs so mutch for gl applications | 12:28 |
| uvos__ | that wont be helped by messing with gdk ofc | 12:28 |
| uvos__ | but also the performance on d4 is at least okish so maybe it makes more sesne to focus on features first. | 12:29 |
| uvos__ | buZz: this composiitng is not that compositing, thats about compositing windows while freemangordon was working on x'es internal rendering | 12:30 |
| uvos__ | (wich composes pixmaps and the like) | 12:30 |
| buZz | ah, so not the opengl using compositing of the windows and animations? | 12:31 |
| uvos__ | no thats stuff thats rendered in h-d | 12:31 |
| uvos__ | to its own buffers | 12:32 |
| buZz | i thought that was clutter (called by/through h-d) | 12:32 |
| uvos__ | sure its libclutter | 12:33 |
| buZz | but ok, just trying to understand :) | 12:33 |
| uvos__ | i mean the h-d process | 12:33 |
| uvos__ | as oposed to the xorg process | 12:33 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: btw I see 'No name' contacts in the address book when they are added through telepathy quite often | 12:34 |
| buZz | Wizzup: those break the sync | 12:34 |
| buZz | https://leste.maemo.org/Sync#Known_Issues <- i added that last night after getting it all to work | 12:35 |
| Wizzup | ah | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | good to know | 12:36 |
| uvos__ | btw you can specify that the gui plain dosent work for setting up an account atm | 12:36 |
| uvos__ | it throws lots of errors on the comand line | 12:37 |
| uvos__ | and nothing is created eds wise | 12:37 |
| Wizzup | ah, I didn't test that, but I noted that we don't use it for the set up | 12:38 |
| uvos__ | yeah | 12:38 |
| uvos__ | im just saying its somehting to fix | 12:38 |
| uvos__ | i think theres a bug allready | 12:38 |
| uvos__ | on git | 12:38 |
| uvos__ | hub | 12:38 |
| buZz | when i made the sync through the commandlines of Wizzup , i had gnome key manager pop up | 12:38 |
| Wizzup | yeah, uvos had some no keyring thing | 12:39 |
| Wizzup | I didn't have this problem fwiw | 12:39 |
| buZz | and the GUI sync didnt do anything | 12:39 |
| buZz | i then added syncurl (again?) and user&pass through the GUI to the config | 12:39 |
| buZz | and gnome keyring didnt appear anymore, i assume its now stored in plain txt somewhere or something :P | 12:39 |
| Wizzup | another issue I could not debug is that it refused to accept the cert chain of my nextcloud instance | 12:40 |
| Wizzup | but nothing else complains, just syncevo | 12:40 |
| Wizzup | and only a subprocess of it | 12:40 |
| Wizzup | btw I don't think syncevolution frontend has an extras page yet | 12:41 |
| Wizzup | :D | 12:41 |
| buZz | :D | 12:41 |
| buZz | kinda funny how many sync manuals we now have :P | 12:42 |
| uvos__ | its messy stuff | 12:42 |
| buZz | hehe | 12:43 |
| buZz | well :) at least it shows activity | 12:43 |
| buZz | even if not fully coherent | 12:43 |
| Wizzup | buZz: I merged most did I not | 12:43 |
| buZz | yes you did | 12:43 |
| uvos__ | also the clients are in great fllux | 12:43 |
| buZz | here's one still ; https://leste.maemo.org/Calendar | 12:43 |
| buZz | with uvos__' script | 12:43 |
| Wizzup | yes the calendar one has uvos script | 12:43 |
| Wizzup | I didn't know where to move it exactly | 12:44 |
| buZz | yeah, i think , uvos' script does almost the same as your seperate commands? | 12:44 |
| Wizzup | he has the keyring thing there I think | 12:45 |
| buZz | keyring=no | 12:45 |
| buZz | ah yeah | 12:45 |
| uvos__ | it sais alot about that script that it has just as manny contributors as effective lines of code :P | 12:47 |
| buZz | :D | 12:47 |
| uvos__ | (idk why kering=no is in there) | 12:47 |
| buZz | maybe to not use gnome's keyring? :P | 12:47 |
| uvos__ | right | 12:47 |
| uvos__ | but ikd why that would be a problem | 12:47 |
| buZz | its kinda breaking out of the maemo experience too, to get such a default gnome window suddenly | 12:47 |
| Wizzup | uvos__: almost like some unix' version of /bin/true that was nothing but a comment with the license? :D | 12:47 |
| uvos__ | ok sure | 12:47 |
| buZz | also, if you want to auto-sync, it wouldnt work if you need to unlock the keyring each time :D | 12:48 |
| uvos__ | Wizzup: :D | 12:48 |
| uvos__ | we should create our own | 12:48 |
| uvos__ | fontend for the keyring | 12:48 |
| buZz | oh that would be cool | 12:48 |
| uvos__ | also for askpass | 12:48 |
| buZz | would be coolest if we could shoehorn 'gnu pass' in between it somehow , imho :P | 12:49 |
| Wizzup | uvos__: btw, so you didn't see any chain validation issues in syncevo? | 12:57 |
| Wizzup | (using https) | 12:57 |
| uvos__ | no | 12:58 |
| Wizzup | weird... | 12:58 |
| uvos__ | i have my ca auth cert installed globaly on the device | 12:58 |
| Wizzup | oh, self signed? | 12:58 |
| Wizzup | I use LE | 12:58 |
| uvos__ | self signed and i have my own ca are not the same thing | 12:59 |
| uvos__ | but yes | 12:59 |
| Wizzup | you have your own self-signed ca ;) | 12:59 |
| uvos__ | right :) | 12:59 |
| uvos__ | true | 13:00 |
| norayr | this all talk was about pvr, which means proprietary drivers, right? there is no open driver. | 13:01 |
| Wizzup | depends on the device, but yes | 13:02 |
| buZz | do any of our devices support the open pvr driver? | 13:04 |
| Wizzup | as far as we know, there is no working one | 13:04 |
| buZz | ah sad | 13:04 |
| buZz | maybe someday | 13:04 |
| Wizzup | we have lima on the pinephone and other devices | 13:04 |
| buZz | like allwinner tablets .. | 13:04 |
| Wizzup | I will show off an A20 LIME2 with 800x480 display at openfest :) | 13:04 |
| Wizzup | and 4g/lte modem over usb | 13:04 |
| Wizzup | :p | 13:04 |
| n00mann[m] | How open is the n900 guys? | 13:04 |
| buZz | come to think of it, i should still have a A13 tablet somewhere | 13:05 |
| Wizzup | that's a rather open question | 13:05 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: open-ish | 13:05 |
| buZz | lol | 13:05 |
| n00mann[m] | Are all the firmware hackable? | 13:05 |
| Wizzup | buZz: yeah I also have an A33 tablet here, which we had working at some point | 13:05 |
| buZz | hackable how? | 13:05 |
| Wizzup | iirc freemangordon also has one of those still | 13:05 |
| n00mann[m] | Like disregard loicensing stuff | 13:05 |
| buZz | Wizzup: allwinners are kinda nice in that 'always boot SD first' method | 13:05 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: i dont think i follow | 13:05 |
| uvos__ | everything is hackable | 13:05 |
| uvos__ | xD | 13:05 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: you are asking if you can disregard a license from nokia? | 13:06 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: come to think of it, np if not, but it might be fun to show the A33 tablet at openfest | 13:06 |
| buZz | i bet you can totally -not- load a pvr driver on n900 , and get working video ? just slow | 13:06 |
| uvos__ | yes ofc | 13:06 |
| buZz | not sure what that has to do with a license though | 13:06 |
| uvos__ | that works fine with just omapdrm | 13:06 |
| uvos__ | its just the userspace gl librarly thats closed soruce | 13:07 |
| buZz | hmhm | 13:07 |
| Wizzup | n900: there are no 'license issues', but not all firmware is open, and the lowest bootloader level is locked, and the gpu driver is not foss | 13:07 |
| uvos__ | the kernel driver and everything else is open | 13:07 |
| uvos__ | video hw wise | 13:07 |
| Wizzup | uvos__: not wireless fw for example | 13:07 |
| Wizzup | but yeah | 13:07 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: maybe you can tell us what license you want to disregard? | 13:07 |
| uvos__ | Wizzup: right i was awnsering buZz | 13:08 |
| Wizzup | :) | 13:08 |
| uvos__ | wrt pvr on n900 | 13:08 |
| buZz | you could get around the wifi fw requirement, by using a blobfree wifi card over USB | 13:08 |
| buZz | like prism2 iirc? | 13:08 |
| Wizzup | buZz: yes, the technoethical people will show that | 13:08 |
| Wizzup | (at openfest) | 13:08 |
| uvos__ | you could use gprs | 13:08 |
| buZz | Wizzup: which 'that' ? | 13:08 |
| Wizzup | usb wifi dongle | 13:09 |
| uvos__ | since for some reason closed firmware on a seperate flash chip is fine | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | ryf approved | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | uvos__: yeah hehe | 13:09 |
| buZz | ah, cool, a new one? | 13:09 |
| uvos__ | (imo makes no sense) | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | uvos__: I tend to agree | 13:09 |
| buZz | uvos__: well, many socs/cpus have some ROM inside too | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | but I'm buddies with the guy who runs it, and I think they do a nice job over all | 13:09 |
| buZz | is that then also not open/free ? | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | but usb wifi for phones doesn't make much sense to me | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | also power wise | 13:09 |
| buZz | true | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | as in physical usb plugs | 13:09 |
| buZz | just nice to see such a option | 13:09 |
| uvos__ | buZz: it is acorrding to fsf | 13:10 |
| uvos__ | if its in rom or external flash | 13:10 |
| buZz | for blanket questions like 'blobfree' or something | 13:10 |
| Wizzup | i'm hoping they might do some support + shipping for maemo phones in the future or something :D | 13:10 |
| Wizzup | since they're already in the business of flashing refurbished stuff (thinkpads, etc) | 13:10 |
| n00mann[m] | buZz: For example apple got very shitty practices with their ios and doesn’t permit the use of ios/macos on other devices | 13:10 |
| Wizzup | but we're not ryf, so yeah... | 13:10 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: correct, ios is nearly 100% proprietary, no sources available for most stuff | 13:11 |
| buZz | macos i dont think is a thing, there's darwin? | 13:11 |
| uvos__ | its also the licence he is talking about | 13:11 |
| buZz | macos is the frontend, isnt it? | 13:11 |
| uvos__ | google android (as opposed to asop) is also propriatary | 13:11 |
| buZz | hmhm | 13:11 |
| uvos__ | but you can install it on different devices | 13:11 |
| Wizzup | I'm going to make some stickers for these propaganda images, any preferences? | 13:12 |
| buZz | i could write a helloworld.c right now and declare it proprietary, just give you binaries and no source | 13:12 |
| Wizzup | https://leste.maemo.org/Propaganda | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | you cant with macos leagaly | 13:12 |
| buZz | Wizzup: yes! | 13:12 |
| Wizzup | I was thinking 1,4,5 | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | (even though you can practicly make hakintoshes) | 13:12 |
| buZz | Wizzup: i'm for 1,3,5 | 13:12 |
| uvos__ | buZz: sure 2 different concepts, closed source and restricted execution | 13:12 |
| Wizzup | maybe I don't get the 3 meme, but I guess it has a url which is good | 13:13 |
| uvos__ | macos is closed source and has restriceted execution | 13:13 |
| uvos__ | your binary is just closed source | 13:13 |
| buZz | oh indeed, 1 misses the url :( | 13:13 |
| uvos__ | most fw is closed source, but dose not have restricted execution | 13:13 |
| buZz | Wizzup: maybe i can make a fresh one , lets see | 13:13 |
| uvos__ | the ti wifi fw for instance allows anyone to execute it for any purpose | 13:14 |
| Wizzup | buZz: ok, how much time do you think you'll need? | 13:14 |
| uvos__ | the nvidia gpu fw dosent | 13:14 |
| uvos__ | i think thats what n00mann[m] is on about | 13:14 |
| Wizzup | buZz: I would love one with the logo too, but then with title/url added | 13:14 |
| buZz | https://i.imgur.com/03nHPXk.png | 13:14 |
| n00mann[m] | <Wizzup> "n900: there are no 'license..." <- So more closed than say the pine phone right? | 13:15 |
| buZz | :P | 13:15 |
| Wizzup | not quite sticker worthy imho :p | 13:15 |
| buZz | yeah ok ;) | 13:15 |
| Wizzup | n00mann[m]: the pinephone also has wifi fw, but the gpu driver is open | 13:15 |
| buZz | i'm just trying to trigger 'i know that meme!' | 13:15 |
| uvos__ | n00mann[m]: the pinephone also has fw | 13:15 |
| Wizzup | buZz: imho aestetically pleasing is better | 13:15 |
| uvos__ | buZz: idk if memes are the right pr | 13:15 |
| uvos__ | but what do i know | 13:15 |
| buZz | hehe ok, i'm not aesthetic today :P | 13:15 |
| Wizzup | buZz: https://github.com/maemo-leste/maemo-leste.github.io/blob/august/content/images/logo.png / https://github.com/maemo-leste/maemo-leste.github.io/blob/august/content/images/logo.png | 13:16 |
| Wizzup | err https://github.com/maemo-leste/maemo-leste.github.io/blob/august/content/images/logo.svg | 13:16 |
| buZz | how about just https://i.imgur.com/2yBXy2F.png | 13:16 |
| buZz | or similar | 13:16 |
| Wizzup | right, but some text/url to know ... what it is... would be useful imho | 13:17 |
| buZz | yes yes, totally | 13:17 |
| buZz | but 'text/url' isnt what comes to mind with 'aesthetics' for me :P | 13:17 |
| Wizzup | so there's memes | 13:17 |
| buZz | hehe | 13:17 |
| Wizzup | and then there's a sticker with our logo + url/text | 13:17 |
| Wizzup | I see those as different things | 13:18 |
| buZz | maybe some devuan/dyne stickers/logos aswell? | 13:18 |
| Wizzup | I don't have time to print all of that and worry about it tbh | 13:18 |
| buZz | right, no worries | 13:18 |
| Wizzup | plus we're not (directly) supported by dyne | 13:18 |
| buZz | they host our ML | 13:18 |
| buZz | :D | 13:18 |
| Wizzup | which nobody uses :) | 13:18 |
| buZz | i signed up finally! | 13:19 |
| buZz | :D | 13:19 |
| buZz | freemangordon: i kinda forget, what did you do to get youtube smooth-ish on d4? | 13:19 |
| buZz | iirc at least install uBlock origin? | 13:19 |
| buZz | Wizzup: i wonder how rights free that video/pic with the two hands is, of nokia ;) | 13:21 |
| Wizzup | not very | 13:22 |
| buZz | :) | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | I think the freedom is a right one is maybe too low res | 13:23 |
| n00mann[m] | buZz: You are streaming right? | 13:23 |
| buZz | i am? | 13:23 |
| n00mann[m] | For older devices injust download it locally | 13:23 |
| buZz | what do you refer to? | 13:23 |
| n00mann[m] | My thinkpad shit the bed when i stream youtube too | 13:24 |
| n00mann[m] | * For older devices i just download it locally | 13:24 |
| buZz | oh, yeah , i'm not looking for local playback | 13:24 |
| buZz | Wizzup: lol whats this, some old nokia ad? https://nitishkumar.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/maemoraisedthebar.png | 13:25 |
| Wizzup | heh | 13:27 |
| Wizzup | I am throwing dont-slave into bigjpg.com, let's see | 13:27 |
| buZz | :) nice | 13:27 |
| Wizzup | this worked quite well | 13:27 |
| Wizzup | https://wizzup.org/Dont-slave.jpg | 13:28 |
| buZz | https://i1.wp.com/mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/n900.jpg | 13:28 |
| buZz | hahahah | 13:28 |
| Wizzup | the raised the bar one is funny btw | 13:28 |
| buZz | yes, very nice | 13:28 |
| n00mann[m] | Do you know some do img to vectors which contains lots of text? | 13:30 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: sure, inkscape , 'trace bitmap' | 13:30 |
| n00mann[m] | I tried some and results are very mushy | 13:30 |
| buZz | usually works best to remove the txt though, and just type it in ;) | 13:30 |
| Wizzup | buZz: you up for modifying the logo svg/png to add a url/text with similar colour/theme? | 13:31 |
| buZz | Wizzup: maybe like ; https://i.imgur.com/9cltjbN.png | 13:31 |
| buZz | :D | 13:31 |
| buZz | lol | 13:31 |
| buZz | that was so fast, 1 second! | 13:31 |
| Wizzup | com1c s4ns y3s | 13:31 |
| buZz | :D | 13:31 |
| buZz | we dont have to be superfancy all the time, some comicsans can be cool :P | 13:31 |
| buZz | brb moar coffee | 13:32 |
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| n00mann[m] | I love this sticker | 13:39 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: can you modify it really quick to be maemo leste? :P | 13:40 |
| buZz | imho we could do stuff like https://i.imgur.com/m9k4myg.png | 13:41 |
| buZz | ( that was made with https://www.festisite.com/ ) | 13:43 |
| buZz | Wizzup: https://i.imgur.com/bFJnW19.png | 13:44 |
| buZz | lololol | 13:44 |
| buZz | i liked this sticker, found on a TRS-80 Model 102 ; https://i.imgur.com/Tw9VY7j.jpg | 13:46 |
| buZz | (sorry, its dutch, just something about liability waived and demo versions offered) | 13:46 |
| buZz | Wizzup: something i made a while ago ; https://i.imgur.com/UzNE7XC.jpg | 13:50 |
| Wizzup | buZz: do you haave a render of this? | 13:51 |
| Wizzup | I mean | 13:51 |
| Wizzup | I suppose I need to change the text up anyway | 13:51 |
| Wizzup | since we'd be showing off a n900, droid 4, bionic, droid 3 (maybe), pinephone, pinetab, maybe other tablets, etc | 13:52 |
| buZz | not sure i have the original still | 13:52 |
| buZz | hmmmm , maybe on my chromebook *digs* | 13:53 |
| buZz | ah yez! | 13:53 |
| buZz | at least the layout. not the txt, i think | 13:53 |
| Wizzup | well I suppose I can send the sticker stuff in tomorrow when I'm in sofia | 13:56 |
| Wizzup | although I guess this is not a sticker | 13:56 |
| buZz | Wizzup: https://space.nurdspace.nl/~buzz/marketing_layout.svg | 13:56 |
| Wizzup | is it a4, or? | 13:56 |
| buZz | i printed em on A4 yeah | 13:56 |
| Wizzup | ok | 13:56 |
| buZz | just to display next to projects on a openday of the space | 13:56 |
| Wizzup | for the maemo leste sticker, I suppose a circular text around the logo makes the most sense | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | although it may not be a round sticker, m.. | 13:57 |
| buZz | did you see https://i.imgur.com/m9k4myg.png and https://i.imgur.com/bFJnW19.png | 13:57 |
| buZz | that second one is kinda nice :P | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | lol | 13:57 |
| buZz | but well, heavy meme-y | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | I like both | 13:57 |
| buZz | i do think these kind of stickers 'ring' in people's minds longer than the propaganda posters | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | got a higher res? | 13:58 |
| buZz | not yet, you can make these with festisite.com | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | sure but the propaganda ones go onto my laptop :P | 13:58 |
| buZz | it has a 'high res' checkbox, and you could bigjpg em later still | 13:58 |
| buZz | man i wish all my portable devices had as nice a battery as my chromebook , ~5 days of not using it on standby, still ~75% battery | 14:01 |
| buZz | btw, i noticed 'calcurse' also has 'experimental' caldav support nowadays | 14:08 |
| buZz | i used to use calcurse on the Zipit Z2 , as its so amazingly minimal | 14:08 |
| buZz | https://i.imgur.com/HyTk5xa.png | 14:08 |
| buZz | gonna try to see if i can sync it to my radicale | 14:09 |
| n00mann[m] | How’s your n900 battery life | 14:09 |
| n00mann[m] | I heard some gor 2 days battery | 14:09 |
| freemangordon | buZz: uBlock origin and user agent changer, to iphone6 | 14:09 |
| n00mann[m] | For a mobile phone these day that is exceptionally well | 14:09 |
| n00mann[m] | s/day/days/ | 14:09 |
| buZz | i havent been paying attention to -my- n900's battery life, but on my droid 4 with ~10yo battery, its ~28-32 hrs standby | 14:10 |
| buZz | and some people in here have been modifying new batteries to fit inside, to get even longer | 14:10 |
| buZz | afaik they still make new n900 batteries? | 14:10 |
| n00mann[m] | The Chinese still make it | 14:11 |
| n00mann[m] | Nokia battery is so versatile | 14:11 |
| buZz | the 'polarcell' ones are made in germany afaik | 14:11 |
| buZz | https://www.polarcell.de/en/mobile-phone-batteries/nokia/5000-series-polarcell-li-ion-replacement-battery-for-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-navigator.html | 14:11 |
| buZz | oh, guess they make em in china, but have their lab in germany? not sure | 14:12 |
| buZz | but afaik , those polarcells are about the best you can get for a n900 nowadays | 14:12 |
| l_bratch | Hello! Has the mailing list been broken lately, or just very quiet? I got some emails from it today for the first time since May this year! | 17:34 |
| buZz | hi | 17:36 |
| buZz | l_bratch: maybe check https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/maemo-leste.en.html ? | 17:36 |
| buZz | its the archive of the ML | 17:36 |
| sicelo | yes, nokia batteries tend to be ubiquitous, especially the BL series. | 17:36 |
| sicelo | bl-5* | 17:37 |
| sicelo | I've seen variations of them in unexpected places, e.g. no name mifi devices | 17:37 |
| buZz | :) i have a external BT GPS module that uses some BL5C iirc as battery | 17:38 |
| buZz | very handy , back in the day when i just carried a bunch of those along for my phone at the time | 17:38 |
| buZz | so i could always just swap around to get the GPS working, -or- use the GPS as external batterycharger :P | 17:39 |
| sicelo | l_bratch: ml definitely working, just many of us forget it when emails get used, unfortunately | 17:39 |
| buZz | sicelo: you mean 'reply to' doesnt automagically add the ML? | 17:39 |
| buZz | that could be fixed in config, if so | 17:39 |
| sicelo | i mean ... when we compose mails, we tend to forget including the ml | 17:40 |
| l_bratch | ah I see, thanks :) it is a shame since I often forget about the project without getting the email digests! no worries though | 17:41 |
| buZz | l_bratch: we'll make sure to send more mail in the future | 17:41 |
| buZz | ;) | 17:41 |
| l_bratch | hooray! :D | 17:41 |
| sicelo | e.g. it's not my first time writing to linux-omap, but i do recall i haven't cc'd leste in previous times | 17:42 |
| Guest224 | random crashes lately, could be this the reason: https://blog.segger.com/c-pitfalls-memory-allocation-from-interrupts/ | 18:44 |
| Guest224 | although I am not good talking about C++ and C programming, because I can only assembler (not arm). | 18:47 |
| buZz | anything is possible :P | 18:47 |
| Wizzup | crashes in what | 18:54 |
| Guest224 | anywhere? example default apps: Clock-app when changing time, User Guide-app when starting. | 18:57 |
| Wizzup | the guide app works for you? | 19:01 |
| Guest224 | No, but it is not important for me. | 19:04 |
| Wizzup | it's a shortcut that doesn't work in general | 19:05 |
| Wizzup | the clock segfaulting, how does that happen | 19:05 |
| Wizzup | when | 19:05 |
| Guest224 | when you try change right time manually with Clock-app | 19:08 |
| sicelo | Wizzup: ,freemangordon , uvos ,tmlind .... haven't read it yet, but maybe it's something? https://garnet.codeberg.page/posts/gpu-reversing/ | 20:31 |
| sicelo | that refers to SGX540 | 20:31 |
| sicelo | got link from one of the postmarketOS rooms | 20:43 |
| Wizzup | are we allowed to open it? | 21:07 |
| buZz | ooo cool, Galaxy Tab 2.0 7.0 is a OMAP4430 aswell! | 21:09 |
| buZz | ~50 eu on ebay :P | 21:09 |
| buZz | like https://www.ebay.nl/itm/155195557259 | 21:10 |
| buZz | even has a 3G modem :P | 21:10 |
| Wizzup | it's not a mapphone, unlike the xyboard tablets | 21:11 |
| sicelo | Wizzup: it's not a leak. evidently pure RE | 21:11 |
| Wizzup | let's hope he manages to take it somewhere :) | 21:12 |
| * buZz lights a candle | 21:12 | |
| buZz | :) | 21:12 |
| Wizzup | lol | 21:12 |
| n00mann[m] | This is a bit off topic but somewhat unix related so i think you guys can offer a help | 21:16 |
| n00mann[m] | I try to compile calcurse on my jailbroken ios14 phone | 21:17 |
| sicelo | buZz: mighty17[m] is the maintainer for the galaxy tab 2 in postmarketOS | 21:18 |
| buZz | cool :D | 21:18 |
| buZz | mighty17[m]: why not maemo leste on that GT-P3110 ! | 21:19 |
| buZz | :D | 21:19 |
| sicelo | phosh runs great on it, fwiw | 21:19 |
| buZz | nice :) still havent even seen phosh (beside videos) | 21:20 |
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| n00mann[m] | Is autoconf differ from autoconf-archive guys? | 21:21 |
| n00mann[m] | s/Is/Does/ | 21:21 |
| n00mann[m] | sicelo: my n900 arrived in the mail yesterday | 21:22 |
| n00mann[m] | Turn out it has a broken ribbon cable lol | 21:23 |
| n00mann[m] | Returned in a heart beat | 21:23 |
| n00mann[m] | Buying legacy phone is such a gamble nowadays | 21:23 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: apt install build-essential | 21:23 |
| buZz | oh eh , 'autoconf-archive' is probably a old version? | 21:24 |
| buZz | aclocal is a different package though | 21:24 |
| buZz | and automake too | 21:24 |
| sicelo | n00mann[m]: sorry, that sucks | 21:24 |
| n00mann[m] | buZz: I am on a jailbroken iphone so that package kinda not exsists | 21:27 |
| buZz | yeah i gather | 21:28 |
| buZz | you dont need to run autogen btw | 21:28 |
| buZz | you already have a configure script :P | 21:28 |
| n00mann[m] | Aw that script is a partial one generated after autogen failed | 21:29 |
| buZz | aw | 21:29 |
| buZz | and in the tarball? | 21:29 |
| buZz | i cant remember having run autogen to build it | 21:29 |
| n00mann[m] | The tarball only contains configure.ac | 21:31 |
| buZz | aw :( | 21:31 |
| buZz | maybe just crosscompile then? :) | 21:31 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: huh? | 21:32 |
| buZz | there's a configure script in my tarball of 4.8.0 | 21:32 |
| buZz | https://calcurse.org/files/calcurse-4.8.0.tar.gz <- in there | 21:33 |
| n00mann[m] | Wow noway thanks | 21:36 |
| n00mann[m] | I got mine from github | 21:36 |
| sicelo | n00mann[m]: btw, nowadays buying an n900 is not exactly advisable, due to the device's age and lack of resources (RAM in particular), unless perhaps one is an ex-n900 owner, in which case there may be other reasons at play :-) | 21:41 |
| sicelo | in general, maemo leste actively promotes the motorola droid 4, and there are good reasons for that. if willing to put in the work to port and/or improve other devices, there are other more recent devices to choose from, which are much faster | 21:42 |
| buZz | i hope we can find some nice armv8 with full qwerty someday | 21:44 |
| buZz | the 'gemini' looked a bit promissing, but not really that ergonomic | 21:45 |
| buZz | sicelo: would you call pinephone a more recent device? | 21:45 |
| n00mann[m] | The rf functionality of n900 is pretty cool | 21:49 |
| sicelo | n00mann[m]: yeah i still love n900, even though i have droid 4. runtime stability-wise - seems unbeatable :) | 21:50 |
| n00mann[m] | A universal remote turning appliances in the house | 21:50 |
| * sicelo is expecting to get two mint N900 in a few weeks | 21:50 | |
| sicelo | buZz: tbh, i think pp is a great device | 21:50 |
| buZz | n00mann[m]: rf? IR :) | 21:51 |
| buZz | unless you ment the FM transmitter | 21:51 |
| buZz | sicelo: i like those armv7 allwinners, but i dont think its 'great' really | 21:51 |
| buZz | its great fun though :) | 21:51 |
| buZz | but it feels more like a pi2 with a fancy case & screen & battery & some sensors | 21:51 |
| buZz | than a actual phone | 21:51 |
| buZz | even though formfactor is totally phone | 21:52 |
| buZz | for some application that wants OpenGL , could i wrap gl4es inside the package? | 21:54 |
| sicelo | buZz: maybe n00mann[m] meant *both* fmtx and ir :-P | 21:54 |
| buZz | so i dont have to do it systemwide like 'apt install gl4es' does | 21:54 |
| buZz | sicelo: hehe , then still IR isnt RF | 21:54 |
| buZz | unless perhaps in the 'everything is waves' idea :P | 21:54 |
| sicelo | although ir is broken in mainline for a while now ... insta-oops | 21:54 |
| buZz | aw | 21:54 |
| sicelo | buZz: IR is RF, if we're being pedantic ;-) | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | sicelo: good reading | 21:55 |
| buZz | :) | 21:55 |
| buZz | fmtx is such a nice feature though | 21:55 |
| sicelo | freemangordon: yeah, i also finally found some time to read it. seems a good start. just hoping it isn't too late (when other SoC's have taken the mobile linux world by storm) | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I wonder how useful it would be | 21:58 |
| uvos | ir is deffinatly not rf | 22:05 |
| uvos | rf is radio frequency | 22:05 |
| uvos | ir might be electromagnetic radation | 22:05 |
| uvos | but in the radio frequency band it is not | 22:05 |
| uvos | there thats sufficantly pedantic now :P | 22:06 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 22:10 |
| buZz | cookies for everybody | 22:10 |
| uvos | sicelo: yeah i saw that | 22:15 |
| uvos | sicelo: its neat, if he keeps at it maybe eventually usefull. that said idk if basing a new driver for just sgx on the old pvrkm + blobs is the best approch vs helping the img guys add sgx support to the mesa driver they are writeing for series6, they dident seem opposed to adding sgx suppot in the mesa ml, it was just not something that makes sense for them finacially. | 22:18 |
| uvos | so maybe you could even get some documentation out of them if you seam serious. | 22:19 |
| freemangordon | uvos: I doubt they will open anything series5, I have the feeling they have contracts that stops them from doing so | 22:20 |
| uvos | then again the guy in the blog is just messing around trying to figure out the instrcution set | 22:20 |
| uvos | so maybe this is his goal even | 22:20 |
| uvos | freemangordon: maybe idk | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | and yeah, they have absolutely no reason to do it, from the financial POV | 22:21 |
| uvos | that aside, for sure they have contractual issues with the code in thair closed driver | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 22:22 |
| uvos | they arnt rewriteing the series6 driver from scratch for fun | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | keep in mind that SGX was used in apple devices | 22:22 |
| uvos | i know | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | so I would bet on that one :) | 22:22 |
| uvos | they totaly shot themselves in the foot with that | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | looks like | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | are they still relevant BTW? | 22:23 |
| uvos | no | 22:24 |
| uvos | they have very few design wins | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | like, besides Ti, nobody is using IMG stuff, no? | 22:24 |
| uvos | mediatek | 22:24 |
| uvos | used it some times | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | well, I mean nowadays | 22:24 |
| uvos | yeah nowadays, some reasonably recent chips i think | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | ok | 22:25 |
| uvos | like 2018 recent | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | well, that's relatively new | 22:25 |
| uvos | so still sbc/industrial relevent | 22:25 |
| uvos | sure | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 22:25 |
| uvos | but not smartphone relevant | 22:25 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | allwinner has IMG gpus in some socs :( | 22:25 |
| uvos | right them too | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | old ones I guess | 22:25 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | rockchip has it in the "high performance" parts | 22:25 |
| uvos | still its very much fallen of a cliff compeard to sgx times | 22:26 |
| Wizzup | don't those allwinner chips work with the closed driver that we have working? | 22:26 |
| uvos | Wizzup: sure yeah the chromeos driver is for one | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | it has hardcoded 'omapdrm" in it, so I doubt | 22:27 |
| sicelo | well the writer of that blog seems to know at least some part of what they're doing, on short chat with them in a postmarketOS room | 22:27 |
| uvos | we also have the blobs for the chomeos driver | 22:28 |
| uvos | btw | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | sicelo: sure the guy looks smart and knowledgeable, the point is - what will be the use of series5 driver in mease in 2 years from now? | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | *mesa | 22:28 |
| uvos | its for some series6 part | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | there won;t be any functioning hardware left by then | 22:28 |
| sicelo | freemangordon: yes, agreed at the usefulness in that sense (hence i earlier mentioned that it might be too late) | 22:29 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | isn't most of the maemo leste hardware support on sgx530 and sgx540? :D | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | yes, but we don't have much issues with the blobs | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | if ay | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | *if any | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | like, I would prefer foss driver but well, not end of the world either | 22:31 |
| freemangordon | as we have more serious issues than that | 22:31 |
| buZz | the panfrost stuff looks nice | 22:31 |
| buZz | i'd like some system with one of their supported malis | 22:31 |
| buZz | i guess thats what we use on pinephone eh :P | 22:31 |
| Wizzup | no, that is lima | 22:32 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | panfrost for the pinephone pro | 22:32 |
| buZz | ah ok, because its older generation? | 22:32 |
| buZz | do we have a mainline for pinephone pro yet then? :P | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | buZz: was that you that said taht n900 outperforms PP in compiling something? | 22:33 |
| buZz | well, in perception , i can measure now | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | is that braveheart? | 22:33 |
| buZz | eh, the 3GB model i think | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm. ok | 22:33 |
| buZz | yeah the 3GB one, and it was single threaded compile btw | 22:34 |
| buZz | want me to measure it? | 22:34 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | huh the n900 shouldn't outperform a pinephone | 22:34 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | even single threaded | 22:34 |
| buZz | i'll go measure, maybe i was just seeing things | 22:34 |
| sicelo | yeah, i'm quite sure there was something else involved there | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | not sure it makes sense, my question was in regard to https://github.com/maemo-leste/pine64-kernel/issues/7 | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | MartijnBraam[m]: agree, unless he hits the same issue I have on braveheart | 22:35 |
| buZz | at least 'cmake' finishes faster on pinephone :P | 22:36 |
| freemangordon | MartijnBraam[m]: ever heard of something like that? | 22:36 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | I know the pinephone starts doing weird things when you load it heavily | 22:37 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | mostly the gpu driver crapping out when it can't hit timings anymore | 22:37 |
| buZz | they are both on usb power for >24hrs | 22:37 |
| xmn | I would think it possible if the n900 is well optimized, no? | 22:37 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | at least that's better on the ppp | 22:37 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | but the ppp development is still a mess | 22:37 |
| buZz | screen is off , doing stuff over ssh | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | xmn: no way, it is 600 MHz a8 | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | vs 1.3GHz a52? | 22:38 |
| buZz | a53 | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | yeah, a53 | 22:38 |
| xmn | haha, I know. But you can get it too 1.1. | 22:38 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | on my benchmarks the n900 a lot slower than the a64 | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | which makes sense | 22:38 |
| xmn | but I agree that my PP feel mostly faster then my n900. | 22:39 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | hmm I don't think I saved the single thread test results | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | unless you bench the GPUs | 22:39 |
| sicelo | xmn: n900 is slower than everything nowadays :-) | 22:39 |
| xmn | and a lot fast in many case | 22:39 |
| buZz | its no issue to do this , i'll let em both compile devilutionX again, singlethreaded | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | I am not sure which one is slower :) | 22:39 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | but it's 52 cpumark points for the pp and 1300 for the a64 | 22:39 |
| sicelo | freemangordon: its the sgx540 that gives pp's mali competition. not the 530 | 22:40 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | buZz: no it's allwinner a64 with a cortex-a53 | 22:40 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | to make naming more confusing | 22:40 |
| xmn | yeah, it hurts sometime. I don't do web browser on it anymore. But cmdln and specific apps are still fantastic for my use case. | 22:40 |
| buZz | MartijnBraam[m]: ? yes i know | 22:40 |
| buZz | it was 'a8 vs a52' , i corrected it to a53 ;) | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 22:41 |
| xmn | It's like a horse race, were do we place our bets | 22:41 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | huh I lost a message | 22:41 |
| sicelo | xmn: yes, i still love it too. i love that it's stable and predictable for my use cases too (unlike droid 4, unfortunately) | 22:41 |
| buZz | MartijnBraam[m]: probably the superior almost-irc you're using ;) | 22:41 |
| xmn | oh interesting. Never got the D4. | 22:41 |
| MartijnBraam[m] | bleh | 22:41 |
| xmn | lol | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | sicelo: huh? d4 is still not stable enough? | 22:41 |
| sicelo | not for me, unfortunately | 22:42 |
| buZz | it is for me | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | ah, the battery I guess | 22:42 |
| buZz | oh yeah | 22:42 |
| buZz | it can be better :D | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | anyway, zzz | 22:42 |
| buZz | i really want some of those flexpcbs made soonish, and source some fitting new batteries | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | night! | 22:42 |
| buZz | nn freemangordon | 22:43 |
| sicelo | ever since i disabled charge mode, at least powering up from empty has been better ... | 22:43 |
| buZz | :) | 22:43 |
| buZz | i have a love/hate relationship with it too | 22:43 |
| buZz | its complex | 22:43 |
| sicelo | droid4 modem isn't (currently?) as reliable as the n900's, whether you use modemmanager or ofono. additionally, my isp's make heavy use of 'session' type ussd calls, which droid can't do well, even under android | 22:46 |
| buZz | i can do ~24hr connection to gprs with mosh running quite well | 22:46 |
| buZz | as long as i keep battery >30% or something | 22:47 |
| sicelo | i.e. *xxx#, then you get a response, and you reply back, etc. d4 just fails | 22:47 |
| sicelo | works fine for ussd one-shot requests though (android) | 22:47 |
| sicelo | buZz: will test gprs again then :-) | 22:47 |
| buZz | :) | 22:48 |
| buZz | a friend of mine has LTE hardware and can spoof a celltower, he's thinking he might be able to do the '4G' the droid4 supports :P | 22:48 |
| sicelo | last i used it, would work fine first time, then next time starts acting up in different ways (that's why i even looked at modemmanager) | 22:48 |
| uvos | buZz: yeah i knda get the fealing that the d4 is less stable at low voltages too | 22:49 |
| uvos | like if it hangs - wd reboots | 22:49 |
| buZz | hmhm, either the cpu, or the modem | 22:49 |
| buZz | or something else | 22:49 |
| uvos | its allways when the battery is quite low | 22:49 |
| uvos | it seams | 22:50 |
| uvos | maybe there is some hw errata we fail to account for | 22:50 |
| buZz | yeah perhaps, or just something we forget to do on voltage drop, like limitting current even more? | 22:51 |
| buZz | i dont know | 22:51 |
| uvos | the lte thing would be interesting | 22:53 |
| uvos | would be good to know if the lte modem is locked to verizon or not | 22:54 |
| buZz | well, he can spoof being verizon :P | 22:54 |
| uvos | sure but he can also spoof it not being verizon | 22:54 |
| uvos | which is more interesting | 22:54 |
| buZz | it wont work ~5cm from the radio (without legal implications) | 22:54 |
| buZz | but, he can document i guess, i'll ask him about progress soonish | 22:54 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: for my the modem has been super reliable since fmg's fixes | 22:58 |
| Wizzup | but iirc you need ussd or something | 22:58 |
| buZz | afaik ofono does expose some ussd stuff? | 23:01 |
| Wizzup | yes but it likely doesn't work atm. | 23:02 |
| sicelo | yes i definitely need ussd, e.g. to check balance, convert credit into data allocation, etc. seems in many countries this can be done via web sites. no such convenience here | 23:02 |
| sicelo | buZz: yes, ofono has very good ussd support, which works beautifully on n900. as mentioned, the ussd issue on d4 exists even under android, at least when it's the request-response type of ussd session | 23:03 |
| buZz | oh ok | 23:03 |
| uvos | i still find this wierd since ussd stuff worked absoulty fine when i was using prepaied | 23:04 |
| buZz | yeah *101# on AH Mobiel to check balance :P | 23:04 |
| uvos | but i gues the modem somehow trips over sicelo's operators implementation | 23:04 |
| sicelo | buZz: one shot works fine for me on android too. the problem is with 'session' ... i think those aren't used in US/EU much | 23:05 |
| buZz | sad :( | 23:05 |
| sicelo | here they're used for almost everything, because - feature phones ;-) | 23:07 |
| sicelo | but nice to know gprs is stable now. i'm already thinking of some extra use for the droid4 | 23:08 |
| sicelo | 's gprs ;-) | 23:08 |
| buZz | :) | 23:10 |
| buZz | i bet with a decent usb powersource you can run it as server for ages | 23:10 |
| buZz | add wireguard or one of the other vpn methods we have | 23:11 |
| sicelo | heh, i would only use broken phones as servers ... why waste a useful phone ;-) | 23:11 |
| buZz | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 23:12 |
| sicelo | someday hope to get a better battery for it (d4) | 23:12 |
| buZz | yeah some 1w battery :) | 23:20 |
| Wizzup | off mode will contribute more than a battery | 23:20 |
| buZz | lets hope :) | 23:20 |
| buZz | does d4 have offmode too? | 23:20 |
| buZz | i thought that was only n900 | 23:20 |
| Wizzup | the hw, yes | 23:20 |
| buZz | ah | 23:20 |
| buZz | cool :) | 23:21 |
| buZz | either way, 1w without charging would be bliss | 23:22 |
| uvos | my bionic usualy gets 1w | 23:55 |
| uvos | well more like 5 days | 23:57 |
| uvos | bit its fairly close | 23:57 |
| Wizzup | you have a special battery :) | 23:57 |
| Wizzup | my worn bionic gets me 2 days max | 23:57 |
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