| LjL | Hoffman, well, we will, but not right now maybe | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | Spec, the decree includes "rules" not to shake hands, and not to kiss | 00:13 |
| tinwhiskers | Good. That whole kissing thing made me uncomfortable. Hopefully it'll never make a comeback. | 00:14 |
| dunnp | people ehre doing elbow taps instead of handshakes but I'd rather just stay 6 feet away from everyone | 00:15 |
| tinwhiskers | agreed | 00:15 |
| tinwhiskers | also, there's a lot of handshake assholes so if they go away as well that would also be good | 00:16 |
| tinwhiskers | elbow taps seem silly to me. just say hello or nod your head. there's no need to touch everyone. frankly it's kinda creepy. | 00:18 |
| LjL | nerds | 00:23 |
| dunnp | yea just tap feet like normal people | 00:23 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 00:23 |
| LjL | %covid italy | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas in Italy, there are 3089 cases, 107 deaths (3.5% of cases), 276 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 20:23:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 00:35 |
| MikeJoel | :D | 00:50 |
| MikeJoel | %data Florida | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Florida not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 00:50 |
| MikeJoel | %data Ohio | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Ohio not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 00:50 |
| MikeJoel | %data Maine | 00:50 |
| MikeJoel | hmmm Call the doctor? Ooo - eee - ooo- aaa -- aaa -- walla -- walla - bing - bang? | 00:52 |
| MikeJoel | seems Brainstorm isn't storming well | 00:52 |
| dunnp | are there cases in Ohio? | 00:52 |
| dunnp | looks like no | 00:53 |
| MikeJoel | Maine there were | 00:53 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, let me have a look, it *should* work for states too | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, there are but they are broken down into districts so it's a bit tricky | 00:56 |
| LjL | %data Washington | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Washington County, OR in US, there are 2 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 3 04:03:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Washington County, OR for time series data. | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | %data Sarasota, FL | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Sarasota, FL in US, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Mon Mar 2 04:23:06 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sarasota, FL for time series data. | 00:56 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, wasn't it states with the previous thing? | 00:56 |
| dunnp | Washington County? | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | These are still the same format | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | There are multiple districts in FL though, so it's not very useful | 00:57 |
| LjL | i'll see what i can do | 00:57 |
| tinwhiskers | %data Hillsborough, FL | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Hillsborough, FL in US, there are 2 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 3 19:33:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hillsborough, FL for time series data. | 00:57 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: no cases in OH | 00:58 |
| twomoon | how's italy doing? | 00:59 |
| tinwhiskers | if you go to http://offloop.net/covid19/ and expand the "US" section you can see all the districts | 00:59 |
| twomoon | i hope southern italy is ok | 00:59 |
| tinwhiskers | so in case it's not obvious, click "Clear All" then right-click on "US" to select all the districts in the US | 01:00 |
| twomoon | who created offloop.net | 01:03 |
| tinwhiskers | me, so I'm biased :-) | 01:04 |
| twomoon | genius | 01:04 |
| dunnp | we are having to watch for people stealing masks now | 01:12 |
| dunnp | at a hospital | 01:12 |
| tinwhiskers | wow | 01:12 |
| Spec | people are certainly the worst people | 01:15 |
| dunnp | indeed | 01:17 |
| dunnp | I also can't buy masks anymore - everything has a wait until April | 01:18 |
| Spec | everything? | 01:18 |
| dunnp | yep | 01:18 |
| dunnp | was just trying to get the small rectangle ones ideally with a face shield | 01:19 |
| dunnp | but cant anymore | 01:19 |
| twomoon | make a plastic head shield | 01:19 |
| twomoon | people i know in HK made their own | 01:19 |
| Spec | dunnp: get more legit ones? | 01:20 |
| dunnp | hah I work in a lab cant just make shit up | 01:24 |
| tinwhiskers | I'd be very suspicious of home made masks. How do they get micropore fabric? | 01:26 |
| Spec | homemade shields is what is made | 01:26 |
| twomoon | i meant shields | 01:26 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. I see | 01:26 |
| twomoon | not the mask | 01:26 |
| Spec | probably more effective than not having one | 01:26 |
| dunnp | and need these for work not to protect myself from ncov | 01:26 |
| twomoon | it's like a clear plastic shield | 01:26 |
| twomoon | it goes around your head like a cylinder | 01:26 |
| twomoon | looks cool and futuristic too | 01:27 |
| twomoon | remember all those hobbies we did as a kid? | 01:27 |
| twomoon | like paper machet | 01:27 |
| Spec | dunnp: lol yeah, i recently ran outta my n95 masks that i use for woodworking | 01:27 |
| twomoon | put your skillz to good use | 01:27 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 01:28 |
| LjL | %cases Washington | 01:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In WA, US, there are 2 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 3 04:03:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Washington County, OR for time series data. | 01:31 |
| LjL | %cases California | 01:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In CA, US, there are 35 cases, 1 deaths (2.9% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 00:50:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sonoma County, CA for time series data. | 01:31 |
| dunnp | another cruise ship death too | 01:32 |
| dunnp | our of SF | 01:32 |
| dunnp | our* | 01:32 |
| dunnp | out* | 01:32 |
| dunnp | on the Grand Princess | 01:32 |
| LjL | %cases California | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In CA, US, there are 35 cases, 1 deaths (2.9% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 00:50:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:32 |
| LjL | %cases Princess | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In 'Diamond Princess' cruise ship, Others, there are 706 cases, 6 deaths (0.8% of cases), 10 recoveries as of Tue Mar 3 04:13:06 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default='Diamond Princess' cruise ship for time series data. | 01:32 |
| dunnp | Princess Cruises getting pretty unlucky | 01:33 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, did things like default=Italy,Korea stop working or did the syntax just change | 01:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, yeah, I had to change it to semicolon separated due to commas in US district names | 01:34 |
| LjL | oh okay | 01:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Although there are a few names I change that differ from that data file like diamond princess and U.A.E. that probably won't work linking directly | 01:35 |
| tinwhiskers | :-( | 01:35 |
| tinwhiskers | just a few though | 01:35 |
| tinwhiskers | I think you'll need to change spaces to %20 to make the links work anyway | 01:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i work on a "don't give a shit until someone complains" basis | 01:36 |
| tinwhiskers | https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Diamond%20Princess%20cruise%20ship | 01:37 |
| ubLIX | %data Scotland | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: Sorry, Scotland not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 01:37 |
| tinwhiskers | fair | 01:37 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 01:37 |
| LjL | ubLIX, file a %bug | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Italian educational institutions close for 10 days as deaths pass 100 – as it happened → https://is.gd/sXgf6x | 01:37 |
| Spec | %data nyc | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | Spec: Sorry, nyc not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 01:37 |
| LjL | %data new york city | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In New York City, NY, US, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Mon Mar 2 02:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New York City, NY for time series data. | 01:37 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-05 00:38:52) | 01:38 |
| LjL | %data new york city | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In New York City, NY, US, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Mon Mar 2 02:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20York%20City,%20NY for time series data. | 01:39 |
| Evolver | damm | 01:39 |
| Evolver | LjL: if you need a very good RSS feed bot, I have one on GitHub | 01:39 |
| LjL | well... i guess i'd rather have a working rss module for jenni | 01:40 |
| LjL | but i may have to give up on that | 01:40 |
| Evolver | https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-coronavirus-lingers-rooms-toilets-disinfectants.html | 01:42 |
| LjL | ubLIX, Scotland should be fixed | 01:42 |
| ubLIX | really? | 01:42 |
| ubLIX | %data Scotland | 01:42 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: We haven't git na cases, ye gowk! | 01:42 |
| ubLIX | lmao | 01:42 |
| ubLIX | actually there were.. 3? | 01:43 |
| LjL | oh okay | 01:43 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 01:43 |
| LjL | %bug add add a bunch of cases to scotland | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, New comment about bug #383 'add a bunch of cases to scotland' added | 01:43 |
| Spec | don't encourage the AI | 01:43 |
| ubLIX | 3 last i googled (45 seconds ago) | 01:44 |
| tinwhiskers | It's currently grouped with UK | 01:44 |
| ubLIX | we'll see about that | 01:44 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 01:44 |
| LjL | %data scotland | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: 3 lest ah googled (45 seconds ago) | 01:44 |
| ubLIX | *shakes fist in southerly direction* | 01:44 |
| ubLIX | check in on /r/scotland for updates; and staggeringly variance of ignorance | 01:45 |
| ubLIX | *-ly | 01:46 |
| LjL | ubLIX, since learning that hand sanitizer web searches were much more prevalent in the south than the north, i have found a renewed willingness to split this stinking peninsula in two | 01:46 |
| LjL | "peninsula" means "not even an island" | 01:46 |
| LjL | let's make the part that's not even an island an island | 01:46 |
| LjL | at least it'll be an island | 01:46 |
| swift110 | oh | 01:47 |
| ubLIX | hm. various sorts of things are already selling out here (vitamin supplements, hand sanitiser) | 01:48 |
| ubLIX | food on shelves as yet unaffected | 01:48 |
| tinwhiskers | toilet paper? | 01:49 |
| ubLIX | not yet | 01:49 |
| tinwhiskers | We got our first suspected case today here in Tonga but since we don't have any labs it's going to take a while to confirm | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:45 UTC: Australian politics: Coronavirus to cost Australia's GDP 'at least' 0.5% as stimulus package planned – politics live → https://is.gd/MlVQFx | 01:49 |
| LjL | %data Wales | 01:50 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In New South Wales, Australia, there are 22 cases, 1 deaths (4.5% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 21:43:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20South%20Wales for time series data. | 01:50 |
| LjL | darned | 01:50 |
| tinwhiskers | we also don't have any face masks but we do have toilet paper | 01:50 |
| tinwhiskers | (as in there are no shops that sell them, not that we have run out) | 01:52 |
| LjL | %rss | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: We couldn't figure out what you wanted to do. | 01:57 |
| LjL | %rss start | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | Starting rss... | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | AttributeError: object has no attribute 'title' (file "/home/brainstorm/.local/share/virtualenvs/bot-xPCSx1pa/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/feedparser/util.py", line 141, in __getattr__) | 01:57 |
| LjL | eek | 01:57 |
| ubLIX | pwr22: looks like flybe has folded | 02:00 |
| LjL | contingo, added sequenced rna and proteins from nih | 02:02 |
| LjL | i guess now i should make a diff tool for the bot... | 02:02 |
| lapsang | LjL thanks for doin that | 02:04 |
| LjL | https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/washington-state-risks-seeing-explosion-in-coronavirus-without-dramatic-action-new-analysis-says/ | 02:29 |
| Evolver | Covid-19 is currently our only fix to climate change and so it needs to spread fear maximally. | 02:32 |
| LjL | Evolver, let's just not | 02:43 |
| LjL | this sounds pretty stupid https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74p5y/a-chinese-doctor-injected-herself-with-an-untested-coronavirus-vaccine | 02:43 |
| Evolver | Yes. Let's just not discuss it because if I try, I will be banned anyway, and it will be pointless, since there is no room here for a safe rational discussion about it. | 02:48 |
| LjL | glad you agree | 02:48 |
| Evolver | BTW I never suggested self-injection or self-infection. | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:34 UTC: Australian politics: Foreign affairs department questioned over whether Julian Assange is getting a fair trial – politics live → https://is.gd/MlVQFx | 02:50 |
| LjL | Evolver, okay...? | 02:52 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: join() takes exactly one argument (2 given) (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 48, in data) | 02:54 |
| LjL | exactly! i must be exact now! | 02:54 |
| Evolver | Julian Assange and politics in ##covid-19. Great. No discussion allowed about its climate benefit though. | 03:04 |
| sneep | ... | 03:05 |
| LjL | yeah, i don't know | 03:05 |
| LjL | the good thing is that so far most of these have seemed to leave of their own accord, under the threat of being banned... that they made to themselves. | 03:05 |
| sneep | w | 03:05 |
| LjL | s/w/lol/ | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL meant to say: the good thing is that so far most of these have seemed to leave of their ololn accord, under the threat of being banned... that they made to themselves. | 03:06 |
| LjL | where do you think you are | 03:06 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, where do YOU think you are | 03:06 |
| sneep | lol | 03:06 |
| MikeJoel | %data Washington | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Washington not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:06 |
| LjL | ... | 03:06 |
| LjL | okay i broke it again in the process of embettering, sorry | 03:06 |
| MikeJoel | I don't see using counties since states often have states with the same names | 03:07 |
| MikeJoel | multiple states I mean | 03:07 |
| LjL | well look it's not exactly my fault the US is a quagmire of name that resemble each other! | 03:08 |
| LjL | the only data i have available for Italy is "Italy" | 03:08 |
| LjL | which makes it a lot easier | 03:08 |
| MikeJoel | why not just do it by state since most people do not know other state's county names | 03:08 |
| LjL | uh | 03:09 |
| LjL | to clarify what happened earlier | 03:09 |
| LjL | i have data by county | 03:09 |
| LjL | they're by county, i don't make the data | 03:09 |
| LjL | i spent about 30 minutes coding tallies by state | 03:09 |
| MikeJoel | table format? | 03:09 |
| LjL | because you had complained it didn't work by state | 03:09 |
| LjL | admittedly i could've done it faster had i been a better coder | 03:09 |
| LjL | yet, i did it, and now, admittedly, it's broken again | 03:09 |
| MikeJoel | oh | 03:09 |
| LjL | csv data | 03:10 |
| MikeJoel | I meant state tallies was a good way to do it... :D | 03:10 |
| LjL | also it's not actually even my fault | 03:10 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers! | 03:10 |
| tinwhiskers | oops | 03:11 |
| tinwhiskers | AFAIK it was always using the two-letter state code | 03:11 |
| MikeJoel | %data ME | 03:11 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, ME not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:11 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes but now the whole file only has World data | 03:11 |
| tinwhiskers | huh? | 03:11 |
| LjL | unconfirmed.csv is mostly empty | 03:11 |
| tinwhiskers | oh... | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | one sec | 03:12 |
| LjL | %data world | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, world not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh dear me | 03:12 |
| MikeJoel | possibly - Brainstorm renamed to Migraine | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | feck | 03:13 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, that's what it's been for years tbh | 03:13 |
| tinwhiskers | ooh. bummer. the JH data is broken | 03:16 |
| LjL | :( | 03:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Chinese social media censoring 'officially sanctioned facts' on coronavirus → https://is.gd/QKkSHR | 03:17 |
| MikeJoel | not that you haven't done it.... if its in a table form (csv or whatever) just loop through it tallying the requested data. | 03:18 |
| LjL | what a marvellous word, "sanctioned" | 03:18 |
| MikeJoel | you don't change the table | 03:18 |
| tinwhiskers | the JH arcgis site is down. I'll make a workaround but it'll take a wee while | 03:18 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, yes... that's exactly what i meant by tallying | 03:18 |
| LjL | and it was working | 03:18 |
| LjL | however, the source data are now unavailable | 03:18 |
| MikeJoel | :D | 03:18 |
| MikeJoel | China just passed a law - outlawing any posting of bad news :D so yeah - reliable source | 03:19 |
| LjL | Chinese social media censors blocked neutral information about the coronavirus outbreak when they targeted references to the outbreak on WeChat and other platforms, a report has found. | 03:19 |
| LjL | Hundreds of keywords and keyword combinations, including “Wuhan seafood market” and “Sars variation” were censored in late December, as doctors sought to warn about the new virus. | 03:19 |
| MikeJoel | Is anyone surprised. But China is turning over a new leaf... their letting the uighurs out of the brainwashing camps.... ok - so they are taking them out of the camps and putting them to slave labor in factories for such woke companies as Nike and Apple... but hey | 03:22 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i assume their site won't stay down long considering most of the world (including governments) is using it - which is pretty ridiculous if you ask me, but hey | 03:24 |
| MikeJoel | what site is it? | 03:24 |
| tinwhiskers | https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 | 03:25 |
| tinwhiskers | This will make it more robust in case it goes down again. | 03:25 |
| MikeJoel | yeah - I was going to suggest you may want to have something like a cronjob make timed downloads of the data | 03:26 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, that exists | 03:26 |
| tinwhiskers | the site I'm relying on is down | 03:26 |
| tinwhiskers | there is a fallback site but the new richer format requires some info from the argcis site. | 03:27 |
| tinwhiskers | so I'll make it not rely on that and it should be largely ok. There won't be any latest US state info or chinese province into until the arcgis site comes back though | 03:28 |
| LjL | i wrote the most ridiculous if statement in my life | 03:28 |
| LjL | if ( | 03:28 |
| LjL | iteration is 'equal' and parsed.text.lower() == row['Country'].lower() | 03:28 |
| LjL | ) or ( | 03:28 |
| LjL | iteration is 'country' and parsed.text.lower() in row['Country'].lower() | 03:28 |
| LjL | ) or ( | 03:28 |
| LjL | iteration is 'province' and parsed.text.lower() in row['Province'].lower() | 03:28 |
| LjL | ) or ( | 03:28 |
| LjL | iteration is 'US state' and state and row['Province'].endswith(", " + state) | 03:28 |
| LjL | ): | 03:28 |
| LjL | i vaguely suspect i should have lambdas instead | 03:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:19 UTC: Australian politics: Scott Morrison announces South Korea travel ban as part of extended coronavirus response – politics live → https://is.gd/MlVQFx | 03:29 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, site is back | 03:41 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, that's looking good again | 03:42 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +2647889 confirmed, +3285 deaths, +53494 recoveries as of 1583375340000 | 03:42 |
| tinwhiskers | erm | 03:43 |
| tinwhiskers | %data world | 03:43 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In , World, there are 2647889 cases, 3285 deaths (0.1% of cases), 53494 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 03:43 |
| tinwhiskers | what?! | 03:43 |
| LjL | am ware | 03:43 |
| LjL | also aware | 03:43 |
| sneep | Wow | 03:44 |
| MikeJoel | .1% :) | 03:44 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, oh, amaware, and also, it's in your csv | 03:44 |
| LjL | so still not my fault ;( | 03:44 |
| LjL | %data italy | 03:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In , Italy, there are 2555488 cases, 107 deaths (0.0% of cases), 276 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 20:23:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 03:44 |
| LjL | also the bogus comma is my fault | 03:44 |
| LjL | althoguh* | 03:44 |
| LjL | bleh | 03:44 |
| MikeJoel | %data United States | 03:44 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, United States not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:44 |
| LjL | %data US | 03:45 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In , US, there are 159 cases, 11 deaths (6.9% of cases), 9 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:45 |
| MikeJoel | oh | 03:45 |
| tinwhiskers | my, things have got dire in Italy! | 03:46 |
| MikeJoel | 6.9% is really a bogus number though | 03:46 |
| tinwhiskers | for some reason JH have italy at 2555488 | 03:47 |
| lapsang | tinwhiskers, what is the Italian update | 03:47 |
| sneep | I guess people didn't realize they had Covid and only went to the hospital when it was far too late? @ US | 03:47 |
| lapsang | oh, they are messing up | 03:47 |
| MikeJoel | 107 out of 2.56 million isn't bad (well - I mean for those who haven't died) | 03:47 |
| MikeJoel | sneep: so far all the cases I have heard of in the US the deaths were in people with "previous health conditions" | 03:48 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, looks like roughly the population of Milan's province | 03:50 |
| LjL | maybe it's an early warning sign they're quarantining us! | 03:50 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 03:50 |
| MikeJoel | also - 159 cases is just known cases. I suspect many have had it - just was never confirmed. For most people (otherwise healthy) it usually is hard to tell between -19 and an average cold | 03:51 |
| LjL | yes, although testing in Europe seems to have shown "hidden" cases not to be as prevalent as sometimes touted | 03:51 |
| LjL | although other people have said i'm wrong about interpreting the statistics this way, so eh. | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | , Afghanistan: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Algeria: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Andorra: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Argentina: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Armenia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Afghanistan: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Algeria: | 03:52 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, I'm just removing JH's argis info for Italy | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New South Wales, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Andorra: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Northern Territory, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Argentina: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Queensland, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Armenia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | South Australia, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Tasmania, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New South Wales, Australia: | 03:52 |
| tinwhiskers | r'oh roh | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Victoria, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Northern Territory, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Western Australia, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Queensland, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Austria: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | South Australia, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Azerbaijan: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Tasmania, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Bahrain: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Victoria, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Belarus: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Western Australia, Australia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Belgium: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Brazil: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Austria: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Cambodia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Azerbaijan: | 03:52 |
| MikeJoel | I think Brainstorm is vomitting | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Bahrain: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | British Columbia, Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Belarus: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | London, ON, Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Belgium: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Montreal, QC, Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Brazil: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Toronto, ON, Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Cambodia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Chile: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Croatia: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | British Columbia, Canada: | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | , Czech Republic: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | London, ON, Canada: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Denmark: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | Montreal, QC, Canada: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Dominican Republic: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | Toronto, ON, Canada: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Ecuador: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Chile: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Egypt: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Croatia: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Estonia: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Czech Republic: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Faroe Islands: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Denmark: | 03:53 |
| lapsang | whao | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Finland: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , Dominican Republic: | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | , France: | 03:53 |
| lapsang | bro | 03:53 |
| MikeJoel | poor brainstorm | 03:53 |
| MikeJoel | it got to be too much | 03:53 |
| lapsang | do the sensible thing and make a secret channel with you and the bot | 03:53 |
| lapsang | that's what owners of big channels do | 03:53 |
| LjL | yeah | 03:53 |
| lapsang | run your sandbox there | 03:54 |
| LjL | this channel has 58 people though so i'm not sweating it | 03:54 |
| lapsang | I love you man, thanks for making this # | 03:54 |
| LjL | "big" is 2000 | 03:54 |
| lapsang | best to your family to bypass all this | 03:54 |
| LjL | having a sandbox elsewhere would mean having two copies of the bot running, which is pretty much something i'm not in the condition to do | 03:54 |
| skyofdust | Yisss x2 | 03:54 |
| lapsang | oh | 03:54 |
| lapsang | :S | 03:55 |
| lapsang | must be client side | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | anyway, that csv is sane again, despite | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | *despite the erroneous data on JH arcgis site | 03:55 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, despite Italy being insane? that's business as usual then | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | %data Italy | 03:56 |
| LjL | bot is restarting | 03:56 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 03:56 |
| LjL | and i have a nice dry cough | 03:57 |
| lapsang | irc is best with narrow fonts | 03:58 |
| LjL | Topaz 8 on AmIRC of course | 03:59 |
| MikeJoel | LjL your in Italy? | 04:00 |
| LjL | yes | 04:00 |
| LjL | okay so with any luck the next flood should happen in a private channel, if it even does | 04:02 |
| MikeJoel | hmmm... this is actually the first time I have even looked at the symptoms and prevention.... symptoms of a common cold and prevention is common sense (or used to be - before everyone seem to decide that being sick meant it was time to go share it with others) | 04:03 |
| ggz | two hours trying to fold corona proteins, too hard :( | 04:04 |
| LjL | ggz, well i can't even get a bot to churn out data, that should make you feel better | 04:04 |
| ggz | LjL: seems to not work so bad | 04:05 |
| MikeJoel | hmmm... anyone who needs to be told to wash their hands after using the bathroom, I do not want to be near - healthy or sick | 04:05 |
| LjL | it should have a new thing... when i'm done making it work | 04:05 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, and yet you probably will, because we have enough population density that you will statistically end up near morons | 04:06 |
| ggz | MikeJoel: just don't piss on your hand | 04:06 |
| LjL | %data Italy | 04:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 3089 cases, 107 deaths (3.5% of cases), 276 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 04:07 |
| LjL | weeeee we're all undead again | 04:07 |
| LjL | well except for the 107 dead | 04:08 |
| MikeJoel | what? which numbers are right? | 04:08 |
| LjL | it's right now (though slightly outdated i fear) | 04:08 |
| LjL | *might* work for states too | 04:08 |
| LjL | %data Washington | 04:08 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In WA, US, there are 2 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 3 04:03:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:08 |
| MikeJoel | 10 deaths | 04:08 |
| LjL | in WA? | 04:08 |
| MikeJoel | yeah | 04:08 |
| MikeJoel | 1 in california | 04:08 |
| LjL | %data California | 04:08 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In CA, US, there are 38 cases, 1 deaths (2.6% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:08 |
| MikeJoel | like I said - every death so far has been stated that the person had "previous" health issues - whatever that means (I mean it can mean almost anything) | 04:09 |
| LjL | yes, that's the formula they use in Italy too | 04:10 |
| LjL | it would feel much better if i could *look at the data* | 04:10 |
| LjL | but i don't find them anywhere | 04:10 |
| LjL | also yes, tinwhiskers's data confirm 10 dead in WA, so this time it's not his fault | 04:10 |
| LjL | but only this time! | 04:10 |
| MikeJoel | %data Maine | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Maine not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:11 |
| MikeJoel | %data Florida | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In FL, US, there are 3 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:11 |
| MikeJoel | %data ME | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In ME, Armenia, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Sun Mar 1 20:53:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Armenia for time series data. | 04:11 |
| LjL | lol | 04:12 |
| MikeJoel | I can't blame it for not knowing Maine - there is nothing there worth knowing about anyway | 04:12 |
| ggz | %data belgium | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | ggz: In all areas, Belgium, there are 23 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 13:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 04:13 |
| LjL | i think it's that Maine has no cases, so it goes on to try further matches on "ME" and it finds "ArMEnia" | 04:14 |
| LjL | write pretty confusing code, get pretty confusing results | 04:14 |
| LjL | a principle also known as virus in virus out | 04:14 |
| MikeJoel | Even with nothing done things should start clearing up in a few months - summer knocks viruses down naturally | 04:15 |
| MikeJoel | %data Australia | 04:15 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In all areas, Australia, there are 52 cases, 2 deaths (3.8% of cases), 21 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 04:15 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:15 |
| LjL | i've probably fixed the ME thing above but i'm not restarting it yet because i need to see whether something else is working | 04:16 |
| ggz | MikeJoel: so we can get a new strain for christmas, nice! | 04:16 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, that's not really true. summer knocks SOME viruses down naturally | 04:16 |
| LjL | this may be one of them, with some luck, but given Singapore's heat at this time... i doubt it | 04:16 |
| LjL | %data Singapore | 04:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Singapore, there are 112 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 79 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data. | 04:16 |
| LjL | certainly a better mortality rate than Italy though | 04:17 |
| LjL | but then i think Iran will soon get better than Italy if it hasn't already | 04:17 |
| LjL | %data Iran | 04:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Iran, there are 2922 cases, 92 deaths (3.1% of cases), 552 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 13:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data. | 04:17 |
| MikeJoel | coronaviruses are (one of two) a cold virus and so it would be reasonably to expect it to fade in summer | 04:17 |
| LjL | oh, has already. | 04:17 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, there are actually a bunch of "common cold" viruses, and 90% of colds are due to rhinovirus | 04:18 |
| ggz | would be nice to have a hint on progression in addition to other stats | 04:18 |
| LjL | ggz, kinda working on that | 04:18 |
| LjL | ggz, for the "big picture" progression, honestly, i'm just going to have you click on tinwhiskers's site. but the bot will be posting updates with new cases, soon, with any luck | 04:18 |
| MikeJoel | LjL: As I understand it rhinoviruses and coronoviruses make up the common cold - but there are many variations of those viruse families | 04:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: Australia warns its 'worst-case' scenario is millions infected over several weeks → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 04:19 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, well, aside from the fact that 1) coronavirus account for a minority of colds 2) colds do happen in summer, just less... MERS is a pretty nasty coronavirus that *started* in the summer, and appears to be slightly worse during summers | 04:20 |
| LjL | so sure, we can hope. but claim, no. | 04:21 |
| MikeJoel | Problem with many vaccines is they work amazing in testing and then not so in the real world... like the flu vaccine. It can be a good as 60+% effective but is usually well below 45% | 04:21 |
| LjL | removing half of people's flu would be a pretty huge boost to economy and all those things people like | 04:22 |
| LjL | anyway influenza is due to a number of strains of kinda different viruses, that mutate each year, so the vaccine is tricky | 04:22 |
| MikeJoel | well... :D 50% would mean each person, after given the shot, would have equal chances of resisting or falling sick so | 04:23 |
| LjL | vaccines for some other things work much better | 04:23 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, yes, and it would mean that if you give the shot to every person, you get *half* the influenza cases and presumably *half* the influenza deaths | 04:23 |
| LjL | and probably less, really, because those vaccined successfully will fail to infect some more people | 04:23 |
| LjL | so a vaccine that works 50% of the time will probably curtain the thing's spread by more than 50% actually | 04:24 |
| lapsang | Humans have topped out | 04:24 |
| LjL | curtail, even | 04:24 |
| MikeJoel | well actually statistics are simple like 50% means 50% protection | 04:24 |
| MikeJoel | are* aren't | 04:24 |
| lapsang | fuck the po leece | 04:25 |
| lapsang | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW2Kfz1jjSE | 04:25 |
| lapsang | oh sorry this is the intellectual channel. my bad | 04:25 |
| MikeJoel | what happened? | 04:25 |
| LjL | not sure if intellectual, but i'd like to keep it somewhat reasonable, if that's what you mean | 04:26 |
| MikeJoel | did I get booted or did I accidentally close the channel? | 04:26 |
| LjL | looks like the latter | 04:26 |
| MikeJoel | lol | 04:27 |
| LjL | happens, especially with stupid touchpads that don't get disabled while i'm typing | 04:28 |
| MikeJoel | well - not to go into it too much but scientifically speaking a 50% won't really mean 50% | 04:30 |
| mushhead2 | Ljl How are you doing? | 04:31 |
| tinwhiskers | %data france | 04:31 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, France, there are 285 cases, 4 deaths (1.4% of cases), 12 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 21:43:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 04:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:25 UTC: Australian politics: Scott Morrison announces South Korea travel ban as part of extended coronavirus response – politics live → https://is.gd/MlVQFx | 04:31 |
| MikeJoel | one of these for the flu would be useful as well - kind of give a comparison | 04:32 |
| LjL | mushhead2, i'm okay, sometimes a bit snappy | 04:32 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: OK, it should hold together now in the situation that JH arcgis falls over again | 04:32 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, what are you doing, falling back on the github data? | 04:32 |
| mushhead2 | Cool man | 04:32 |
| LjL | crap it's late again | 04:32 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, falling back to that for the structure (that's not available on the other sites I scrape) but then updating that structure with the new scraped data. | 04:33 |
| LjL | but before sleeping i wanted to be sure the new thing works (and that it doesn't spam) :( | 04:33 |
| MikeJoel | studies show that consistent sleep will boost immune systems | 04:33 |
| LjL | i know | 04:33 |
| LjL | also, lack of stress | 04:33 |
| MikeJoel | WHO is stressed :D | 04:33 |
| LjL | the first update came and wasn't spamming it, so i'm risking it and moving it back here | 04:34 |
| LjL | if the bot spams again i'm sure there are other competent ops with the ability to use /cs quiet! | 04:35 |
| LjL | a bit like i'm sure there are many competent governments to stop the spread of this virus | 04:35 |
| LjL | get my drift Spec? | 04:35 |
| tinwhiskers | there are other ops? | 04:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. OK | 04:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, type /cs op ##covid-19 | 04:36 |
| LjL | people should look at their status windows more frequently :P | 04:36 |
| tinwhiskers | oooh | 04:36 |
| MikeJoel | tinwhiskers: eewww... you have a snale attached to your side | 04:36 |
| mushhead2 | You got the job tinwhiskers | 04:37 |
| MikeJoel | well - night all | 04:38 |
| tinwhiskers | \o/ | 04:38 |
| mushhead2 | Nitey | 04:38 |
| MikeJoel | got to go boost my immune system | 04:38 |
| MikeJoel | %data Maine | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Maine not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:38 |
| MikeJoel | %data ME | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In ME, Armenia, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Sun Mar 1 20:53:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Armenia for time series data. | 04:38 |
| MikeJoel | :D | 04:38 |
| mushhead2 | Hello people | 04:38 |
| MikeJoel | night | 04:39 |
| skyofdust | %data Mexico | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | skyofdust: In all areas, Mexico, there are 6 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 03:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: Australia modelling plans from 'benign' to 'worst-case' scenario with millions infected → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 04:49 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 1161) | 05:05 |
| LjL | ggz, ↑ what i was referring to earlier | 05:05 |
| petersjt014[m] | %data IL | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | petersjt014[m]: In IL, US, there are 4 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 05:03:15 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:08 |
| petersjt014[m] | %data IW | 05:09 |
| Brainstorm | petersjt014[m]: In Taiwan, Taiwan, there are 42 cases, 1 deaths (2.4% of cases), 12 recoveries as of Tue Mar 3 07:43:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. | 05:09 |
| Brainstorm | petersjt014[m]: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 7.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 05:09 |
| petersjt014[m] | bot wut r u doin | 05:09 |
| LjL | try using full state names | 05:10 |
| LjL | this bot isn't geared towards the US only | 05:10 |
| petersjt014[m] | %data Iowa | 05:10 |
| Brainstorm | petersjt014[m]: Sorry, Iowa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 05:10 |
| LjL | probably no cases, but not sure | 05:10 |
| petersjt014[m] | %WI | 05:11 |
| tinwhiskers | No cases in Iowa | 05:11 |
| petersjt014[m] | %data WI | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | petersjt014[m]: In WI, US, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 05:03:15 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:11 |
| LjL | what was wrong with WA again... | 05:11 |
| LjL | %data washington | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In WA, US, there are 39 cases, 10 deaths (25.6% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 05:03:15 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:11 |
| LjL | oh, i guess nothing anymore. | 05:11 |
| petersjt014[m] | can't read that fam | 05:12 |
| LjL | okae27[m], please no FUD | 05:12 |
| LjL | and why can't text be text | 05:13 |
| tinwhiskers | What a load of nonsense okae27[m] | 05:13 |
| petersjt014[m] | Anyone can put some text in a dark background and make it look scary | 05:14 |
| petersjt014[m] | Here watch this | 05:14 |
| petersjt014[m] | tadaaa~aaaaa | 05:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | point made | 05:15 |
| petersjt014[m] | Clears wouldn't even speak :P | 05:17 |
| petersjt014[m] | s/Clears/coward | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | petersjt014[m] meant to say: coward wouldn't even speak :P | 05:17 |
| petersjt014[m] | I DL'd that before it was deleted, gonna see if I can track it down | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:15 UTC: Australian politics: Scott Morrison announces South Korea travel ban as part of extended coronavirus response – question time live → https://is.gd/MlVQFx | 05:20 |
| petersjt014[m] | Okay, so Looks like * news had already been caught lying about C19 once, I imagine this is the same. | 05:21 |
| petersjt014[m] | <petersjt014[m] "Okay, so Looks like *** news had"> It did say the story was unverified though. | 05:22 |
| petersjt014[m] | Okay anyone know why the reply thing is going on with my messages? That's not me. | 05:25 |
| petersjt014[m] | And now it isn't. Huh | 05:25 |
| Alex8532 | Hi. Is the hysteria being betrayed in the news real? Should I start stocking up on things? My brother workers for Sams' Wholesale. He tells me people are going crazy over hand sanitizer and water. | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3013) | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | Anhui, Mainland China: +14 recoveries (now 970) | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 1163) | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | Hunan, Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 936) | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | Sichuan, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 419) | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +1 confirmed (now 95518), +1 deaths (now 3286) | 05:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Wow, that's super macabre :-) | 05:51 |
| sneep | Alex8532: Is your tap water safe to drink? | 05:53 |
| sneep | If yes, I don't think stocking up on water makes a lot of sense | 05:54 |
| sneep | Hand sanitizer... Well, convenient but you can just wash your hands with soap | 05:54 |
| Alex8532 | sneep: Hi. Yes, outside of the strange metallic taste, it is safe to drink. | 05:58 |
| fructose | Alex8532: If you don't already have a stock in case of emergencies, e.g. canned food, bag of rice, etc. long enouvgh to last a couple weeks, yes, it's a good idea to get such a stock. | 05:58 |
| tinwhiskers | agreed | 05:58 |
| Alex8532 | Thanks guys. | 05:58 |
| fructose | Alex8532: No reason to panic, just a sensible precaution. | 05:58 |
| tinwhiskers | just buy an extra couple of most of your normal non-perishable items each time you go shopping over the next few visits | 05:59 |
| tinwhiskers | don't buy stuff you wouldn't normally get or it will probably just go to waste | 05:59 |
| Alex8532 | Thanks really apprecipate it. | 05:59 |
| twomoon | how are you prepping tinwhiskers ? | 05:59 |
| tinwhiskers | I live on a tiny island in the pacific surrounded by papaya, coconuts etc. I have rain water and solar power. I don't really need to prepare much. | 06:00 |
| twomoon | how the heck did you wind up there | 06:01 |
| Alex8532 | That sounds awesome | 06:01 |
| fructose | Alex8532: There's also no reason to expect water or electricity to go away. Getting food just helps ensure you can stay inside in the event of an outbreak nearby. | 06:01 |
| twomoon | damn, perfect place to avoid the plague | 06:01 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, this won't be some huge disaster without water and power. | 06:01 |
| twomoon | are you from Fiji? | 06:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Tonga actually | 06:02 |
| tinwhiskers | The population on this island is 6, but they're a bit tricky to get to | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | so I don't really see anyone unless I go into town | 06:03 |
| twomoon | is it cheap to live out there? | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | it can be | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | depends how motivated you are to go fishing really :-) | 06:04 |
| tinwhiskers | the lease costs me about US$900 per year | 06:04 |
| Brainstorm | British Columbia, Canada: +1 confirmed (now 13) | 06:05 |
| Brainstorm | King County, WA, US: +1 confirmed (now 32) | 06:05 |
| twomoon | wow, but dunno if i could survive on rainwater | 06:06 |
| tinwhiskers | it rains quite a lot here | 06:06 |
| Alex8532 | Who is going to be the Rick Grimes of this outbreak? | 06:07 |
| Alex8532 | I'm coming to stay with them, :). | 06:07 |
| Alex8532 | *Who is the channel going to be... | 06:08 |
| Alex8532 | *in the channel | 06:08 |
| Alex8532 | Damn | 06:08 |
| twomoon | are you a native Tongan tinwhiskers ? | 06:12 |
| tinwhiskers | nah, kiwi | 06:12 |
| twomoon | oh ok...were you looking for something more remote? | 06:13 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 06:13 |
| tinwhiskers | Just thought moving to an island and building a house would be a good adventure | 06:13 |
| Alex8532 | That is sooo cool. | 06:15 |
| twomoon | nice, how do i do it? | 06:16 |
| twomoon | does it require a ton of money | 06:16 |
| twomoon | would Fiji accept me? | 06:16 |
| tinwhiskers | it can be pretty cheap really. depends what you want to live in. | 06:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Although Fiji isn't cheap (this is Tonga). | 06:17 |
| petersjt014[m] | The inventor of git-annex has some nice tips on diy solar wiring on his site if that's of interest | 06:17 |
| twomoon | i wanted something less remote than Tonga | 06:18 |
| twomoon | like being on an island with 6 people is a bit too remote for me | 06:19 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, any beach-front land near civilisation costs a small fortune | 06:19 |
| twomoon | oh ok | 06:30 |
| twomoon | i'll look into something more remote | 06:30 |
| Alex8532 | Later guys and thanks@ | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 1164) | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | , US: +1 confirmed (now 160) | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +1 confirmed (now 95519) | 06:35 |
| fructose | Washington State update: https://twitter.com/trvrb | 06:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: Australia modelling plans from 'benign' to 'worst-case' scenario with millions infected → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 06:54 |
| twomoon | australia is acting like a corporation lol | 06:57 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 1167) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | Hubei, Mainland China: +6 recoveries (now 40485) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | Shaanxi, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 224) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | Xinjiang, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 70) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | Zhejiang, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 1120) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | , Thailand: +4 confirmed (now 47) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +4 confirmed (now 95523) | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: California declares state of emergency as China deaths pass 3,000 → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 07:13 |
| greyman | %data italy | 07:18 |
| Brainstorm | greyman: In all areas, Italy, there are 3089 cases, 107 deaths (3.5% of cases), 276 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 20:23:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 07:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:20 UTC: Formula One: No certainty yet over Australian GP as new coronavirus travel measures introduced → https://is.gd/X8F3Dx | 07:26 |
| Brainstorm | Hainan, Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 6) | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | Hunan, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 937) | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | Shanghai, Mainland China: +1 confirmed (now 339), +5 recoveries (now 303) | 07:35 |
| fructose | It's concerning that India has only seen 28 cases given its proximity to China | 07:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:34 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/XGp3Hw | 07:44 |
| fructose | http://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/world-map.png | 07:46 |
| fructose | Might be a useful visual | 07:46 |
| Albright | %data us | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, US, there are 160 cases, 11 deaths (6.9% of cases), 9 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 06:50:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 07:55 |
| Albright | Eleven now, damn. | 07:55 |
| Albright | %data japan | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, Japan, there are 331 cases, 6 deaths (1.8% of cases), 43 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 20:23:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: California declares state of emergency as China deaths pass 3,000 → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 07:57 |
| Albright | %data california | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In CA, US, there are 38 cases, 1 deaths (2.6% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 07:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 1168) | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | Inner Mongolia, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 64) | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | Zhejiang, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 1122) | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | , Austria: +8 confirmed (now 37) | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | , Kuwait: +2 confirmed (now 58) | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | Fujian, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 271) | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | Sichuan, Mainland China: +4 recoveries (now 423) | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +10 confirmed (now 95533) | 08:36 |
| Palm | %data Australia | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | Palm: In all areas, Australia, there are 52 cases, 2 deaths (3.8% of cases), 21 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 08:35:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | Palm: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 08:37 |
| Palm | %data USA | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | Palm: Sorry, USA not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 08:37 |
| Palm | %data U.S.A. | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | Palm: Sorry, U.S.A. not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 08:37 |
| greyman | %data usa | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | greyman: Sorry, usa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 08:37 |
| greyman | %data us | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | greyman: In all areas, US, there are 160 cases, 11 deaths (6.9% of cases), 9 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 08:35:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 08:37 |
| greyman | Palm: there you go :) | 08:38 |
| Palm | %data oh | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | Palm: In OH, US, there are 8 cases, 1 deaths (12.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 20:53:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Snohomish%20County,%20WA for time series data. | 08:38 |
| Palm | hah | 08:38 |
| fructose | Why is it linking to Snohomish County? | 08:45 |
| Albright | Roffle. I guess because it has "oh" in it. | 08:47 |
| Albright | LjL: ^^^ | 08:47 |
| Albright | %data ohio | 08:47 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: Sorry, ohio not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 08:47 |
| Palm | toilet paper situation is getting worse...i checked online store yesterday some were sold out...today even more sold out | 08:47 |
| lillie[m] | Hello, how's the panic going? | 08:47 |
| Albright | Palm: What country? | 08:47 |
| Palm | Albright, Australia | 08:48 |
| Palm | are people buying up where you all are? | 08:48 |
| Albright | Oh, jeez, AU is doing the TP thing too? | 08:48 |
| Palm | yeah where are you | 08:48 |
| Palm | I guess the toilet paper is the obvious thing to sell out as you can't fit many on the shelves | 08:48 |
| Albright | No, we're not doing that in America. I've got about a dozen rolls left over from a Costco pack anyway, so I'm good. | 08:48 |
| Palm | well I guess the might at some point Albright | 08:48 |
| Albright | My local grocery store does have signs up saying they'll only sell so many cases of water and stuff, though. | 08:49 |
| Albright | Per customer that is. | 08:49 |
| lillie[m] | Haha, I've been slowly stocking up for the past two weeks, this panic was pretty predictable | 08:49 |
| Albright | Palm: Well, if they do, maybe I'll sell off some of my back stock and make some coin. :) | 08:49 |
| Albright | lillie[m]: Even TP running out was predictable? I never would have guessed that one. | 08:49 |
| Albright | I still don't get it. What is TP good for beyond its intended use? | 08:50 |
| Albright | Are people making face masks out of it or something?\ | 08:50 |
| lillie[m] | Yes. Quarantines interrupt production, so people will stock up on things needed for living and for hygiene | 08:51 |
| lillie[m] | And I guess in Poland some people still remember socialism, when TP was in short supply all the time | 08:52 |
| Palm | better get another pack of dog food | 08:52 |
| lillie[m] | But there aren't shortages yet | 08:53 |
| Palm | yet being the operative word | 08:54 |
| lillie[m] | Well yeah. But spread in Europe isn't too bad, and I think we are on track to delay the peak to summer | 08:56 |
| Palm | Hopefully for the northern hemisphere going into summer will help the situation | 08:56 |
| lillie[m] | I am just worried about elder people and trying to protect them | 08:57 |
| Palm | lastest WHO mortality estimate is 3.4% | 08:57 |
| Palm | up from their earlier estimate of 2% | 08:57 |
| lillie[m] | I am also worried about Africa and India | 08:58 |
| Palm | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ | 08:58 |
| Palm | I agree lillie[m] | 08:58 |
| lillie[m] | Iran really dropped the ball, so I doubt the virus is containable | 08:58 |
| Palm | need to throw everything at keeping it out of aged cared homes and making sure elderly by themselves at looked out for | 08:59 |
| Palm | s/at/are | 08:59 |
| Brainstorm | Palm meant to say: need to throw everything are keeping it out of aged cared homes and making sure elderly by themselves at looked out for | 08:59 |
| Palm | maybe it's silently spreading everywhere more than we know | 09:00 |
| lillie[m] | I also also wonder when we're going to start cracking down on China, investigating claims that virus has been lab made and their horrible attempts at hiding it from the December | 09:00 |
| fructose | Palm: It is | 09:00 |
| lillie[m] | This is Chinese Chernobyl but much more devastating | 09:00 |
| Palm | i don't know what logic it is they think making people wait two weeks in a third country then come...I don't think that is the most logical strategy | 09:01 |
| fructose | Avoid spreading it to everyone on your flight | 09:01 |
| lillie[m] | Palm:? | 09:01 |
| Palm | I don't think that will stop it | 09:01 |
| fructose | It's more about slowing it than stopping it | 09:01 |
| Palm | oh that's an Australian policy...they can't come from where there is a break out but if they go two weeks in a third country then they can..to me that is so stupid | 09:01 |
| Palm | they would travel in groups | 09:02 |
| fructose | Yeah, that actually seems to encourage spreading it between other countries | 09:02 |
| Palm | and could pick it up any time in the two weeks and also...are they really sure about this two weeks then you're fine thing...this thing is still pretty new | 09:03 |
| Palm | how certain can we be about the incubation period | 09:03 |
| lillie[m] | Tests are in short supply and keeping emery passenger in quarantine for few days until resusts come would require Infrastructure | 09:04 |
| fructose | There is data there, but it's inherently preliminary. | 09:04 |
| lillie[m] | Where do you guys get your data from? | 09:05 |
| fructose | Scholarly journals and pre-print servers have the medical studies | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | Fujian, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 273) | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | Hubei, Mainland China: +89 recoveries (now 40574) | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | Shandong, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 577) | 09:06 |
| tavasti | tests are not reliable for testing people who don't have any symptoms | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: California declares state of emergency as China deaths pass 3,000 - latest updates → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 09:06 |
| fructose | There's a variety of other sources on this specific topic, which you can find through the topic | 09:06 |
| Palm | in any case if everyone is going to the same third country | 09:06 |
| fructose | Err, the /topic | 09:06 |
| fructose | tavasti: Huh? | 09:06 |
| Palm | they can just catch it there within the two weeks and not be showing symptoms when they come here | 09:07 |
| Palm | yet | 09:07 |
| fructose | tavasti: Why would you think that? | 09:08 |
| Palm | well now we know if there is a deadly disease our governments wont close borders to protect us | 09:16 |
| fructose | Palm: Shutting every border indefinitely would be difficult even if you had all of the information in advance | 09:18 |
| Palm | And also my local news will still put stories about local cases behind paywalls | 09:19 |
| Albright | I generally do not like the idea of governments restricting free travel. | 09:19 |
| Albright | Pandemic or no. | 09:19 |
| Palm | yes i can see that view also | 09:19 |
| tavasti | fructose, when someone has virus, but it hasn't multiplied yet enough, it will not show up in tests | 09:19 |
| Palm | i mean who is anyone to say someone has to stay somewhere | 09:19 |
| Palm | you're probably right Albright | 09:20 |
| Palm | I don't know | 09:20 |
| Palm | Australia being an island could have kept it out perhaps but it's here | 09:20 |
| Palm | and half the news is behind paywalls | 09:21 |
| fructose | tavasti: The viral load necessary to be detected on a test is much lower than the load required to generate symptoms | 09:21 |
| tavasti | yes, but if someone comes from Italy, and tests say he is clean does not mean he is | 09:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Clearly people who think they have the right to travel anywhere they like even if that means spreading diseases is the reason why governments must have emergency powers to prevent them doing so. | 09:23 |
| fructose | tavasti: Tests can fail, but PCR testing is capable of detecting the presence of a virus before symptoms appear | 09:24 |
| Palm | When I think of it my medical care has been pretty subpar....any time i went there with a flu like illness they most times never tested anything...on the odd time they did they found i historically had this and that....had they always tested and not told me just a cold maybe i would have spread shit and assumed it was not serious i mean in the past i had ross river fever and who knows what else. They forget if they don't give a shit about | 09:27 |
| Palm | the poor to test us then they are making more virus' around they can catch too | 09:27 |
| Palm | they are always, you just have a cold or flu...you'll be ok...we tested nothing but...we don't prescribe antibiotics or antivirals see ya...make sure you drink ater | 09:29 |
| Palm | water | 09:29 |
| Palm | it's a waste of time going to the doc here if you are sick for htat reason | 09:29 |
| Palm | now though i guess they will test | 09:29 |
| Palm | s/would/wouldn't | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | Palm meant to say: When I think of it my medical care has been pretty subpar....any time i went there with a flu like illness they most times never tested anything...on the odd time they did they found i historically had this and that....had they always tested and not told me just a cold maybe i wouldn't have spread shit and assumed it was not serious i mean in the past i had ross river fever and who knows what else. They forget if the | 09:30 |
| Palm | lucky we fight off everything naturally and i guess i am pretty healthy enough to | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | , Morocco: +1 confirmed (now 2) | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +3 confirmed (now 62) | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +4 confirmed (now 95537) | 09:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Antibiotics don't do anything for viruses (colds and flu) so they're hardly going to prescribe those. | 09:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Anti-virals don't really help a cold or flu either. You just shouldn't go to the doctor because you and they both know there is nothing you can do. You're just wasting resources. You only go if you get complications. | 09:43 |
| tinwhiskers | i.e. the fault just lies with your expectations, not the system. | 09:44 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: stoicism much | 09:47 |
| python476 | posteriori-hello | 09:47 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: you may have missed the important part of that :-) | 09:48 |
| tinwhiskers | Hello | 09:48 |
| pwr22 | I agree with tinwhiskers on this one | 09:48 |
| pwr22 | There's things where treatment is necessary or appropriate and things where it isn't | 09:49 |
| pwr22 | In the UK if go to the doctor's with cold or flu you'll be sent away and told to take it easy, try to eat well and get plenty of fluids | 09:50 |
| pwr22 | You'll usually be told by this on the phone before you can even book an appointment | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | , Greece: +1 confirmed (now 10) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +6 recoveries (now 52214) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +1 confirmed (now 1351) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | Hunan, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 938) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Portugal: +2 confirmed (now 8) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Russia: +1 confirmed (now 4) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | , South Korea: +322 confirmed (now 6088) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | , UK: +1 confirmed (now 88) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +327 confirmed (now 95864), +6 recoveries (now 53505) | 10:06 |
| python476 | Eurovision has grown so much | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:15 UTC: Chief medical officer Chris Whitty questioned by Commons health committee - live news: Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the Commons health committee questioning Prof Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer → https://is.gd/vyrQ0S | 10:27 |
| tavasti | Finland +5 | 10:30 |
| Albright | I'm disturbed that the US death toll keeps climbing, but over twice as many, 24, were killed by tornadoes on Tuesday… gives some perspective I guess. | 10:33 |
| animistic1 | it started small in china too, these can grow exponentially, its like saying baby sharks are cute so no need to be afraid of sharks | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Finland: +5 confirmed (now 12) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Germany: +87 confirmed (now 349) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 52216) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | Fujian, Mainland China: +4 recoveries (now 277) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | Guangdong, Mainland China: +13 recoveries (now 1181) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | Hebei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 303) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | Jilin, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 87) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +1 confirmed (now 63) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 1) | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +93 confirmed (now 95957), +1 deaths (now 3287), +2 recoveries (now 53507) | 10:36 |
| Albright | To be fair, China didn't know what they were dealing with at first. The rest of the world, for better or worse, was given time to study what exactly was going on here at the cost of Chinese lives. I don't think we'll see growth as rapid as the early days anymore now that everyone is on their toes. At least, so I hope. | 10:39 |
| Palm | tinwhiskers, naa because the system says i need to go to the doctor to get a sick certificate or did | 10:41 |
| Palm | well if they'd picked up the ross river fever that might have been good | 10:41 |
| tinwhiskers | That's not a fault if the medical system | 10:42 |
| Palm | ok tinwhiskers | 10:42 |
| Palm | I think if they detect dangerous diseases then they save lives | 10:43 |
| Palm | most of the time i don't go to the doctor for a cold or flu by the way | 10:44 |
| Palm | I went to the shop and they were selling out of a lot | 10:44 |
| Palm | no toilet paper, no long life milk etc | 10:45 |
| Palm | sorry i seem to have annoyed you tinwhiskers | 10:45 |
| Palm | but i was away at the shop that's why i didn't reply | 10:45 |
| Palm | but the last doctor i went to was actually good and did test me for stuff and worked out i had extremely low iron and needed an infusion | 10:47 |
| Palm | but that was ages ago now | 10:47 |
| Palm | I wonder how everyone in Wuhan is | 10:48 |
| Palm | Don't you think if the poor got good health care it benefits everyone | 10:51 |
| Palm | as is detection of diseases, then you are able to stop outbreaks etc | 10:52 |
| Palm | that was my point | 10:52 |
| Palm | in India maybe a lot of areas have no money for testing at all | 10:54 |
| Palm | Truth is most people like me couldn't afford to go to the doctor unless they are very sick most of the time | 10:55 |
| Palm | anyway sorry...i'll stop talking about that now. | 10:56 |
| Palm | In really poor parts of the world it might be spreading a lot already but noone would know because they can't afford health care | 10:57 |
| Palm | it's not just not testing...if they order testing can you then afford to go back to the doctor to pay to get the results | 10:58 |
| Palm | because every visit costs a lot when you are poor | 10:59 |
| Palm | with this maybe it will be different | 10:59 |
| adventurer | #data Australia | 11:00 |
| adventurer | %data australia | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | adventurer: In all areas, Australia, there are 52 cases, 2 deaths (3.8% of cases), 21 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 10:20:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | adventurer: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:48 UTC: Politics: Chief medical officer tells MPs coronavirus plan now at 'mainly delay' stage, not 'mainly contain' - live news → https://is.gd/vyrQ0S | 11:03 |
| adventurer | Some people at the shop seemed really freaked out. | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 52219) | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | Guangxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 214) | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | Zhejiang, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 1124) | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +1 confirmed (now 64) | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +1 confirmed (now 95958), +3 recoveries (now 53510) | 11:06 |
| adventurer | https://qz.com/1810018/how-bill-gates-wants-us-to-respond-to-coronavirus/ | 11:32 |
| adventurer | https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | , Iran: +591 confirmed (now 3513), +15 deaths (now 107) | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +7 recoveries (now 52226) | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +1 confirmed (now 65) | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | , UK: +2 confirmed (now 90) | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +594 confirmed (now 96552), +15 deaths (now 3302), +7 recoveries (now 53517) | 11:36 |
| adventurer | My only point was that if we don't test people for diseases when they are sick then we wont stop the spread of diseases. | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:34 UTC: Sport: Olympics, Six Nations and Euro 2020: Coronavirus threatens sports events → https://is.gd/98jXm5 | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:49 UTC: Politics: Chief medical officer tells MPs coronavirus plan now at 'mainly delay' stage, not 'mainly contain' - live news → https://is.gd/vyrQ0S | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | , Belgium: +27 confirmed (now 50) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Georgia: +1 confirmed (now 4) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , India: +1 confirmed (now 30) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 52227) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +1 confirmed (now 66) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , South Korea: +7 deaths (now 42) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Spain: +20 confirmed (now 248), +1 deaths (now 3) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Sweden: +8 confirmed (now 60) | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +58 confirmed (now 96610), +8 deaths (now 3310), +1 recoveries (now 53518) | 12:06 |
| adventurer | I am sorry tinwhiskers ....somehow it is a confusion and misunderstanding i think | 12:07 |
| adventurer | someone in my local area got tested positive but I can't read about it because it's behind a media paywall | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:05 UTC: Coronavirus: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates: California declares state of emergency; Italian doctors say German man may have been first European with virus and Scotland registers three more cases → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:24 UTC: Politics: Chief medical officer tells MPs coronavirus plan now at 'mainly delay' stage, not 'mainly contain' - live news → https://is.gd/vyrQ0S | 12:29 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 52229) | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Malaysia: +5 confirmed (now 55) | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +1 confirmed (now 67) | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +6 confirmed (now 96616), +2 recoveries (now 53520) | 12:36 |
| Poon | %data Vietnam | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | Poon: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 16 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Tue Feb 25 09:53:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:32 UTC: Coronavirus: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates: California declares state of emergency; Italian doctors say German man may have been first European with virus and Scotland registers three more cases → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 12:54 |
| RougeRR | hey | 12:56 |
| Brainstorm | , Estonia: +1 confirmed (now 3) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Iran: +187 recoveries (now 739) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Israel: +1 recoveries (now 2) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 52231) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Norway: +5 confirmed (now 72) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | , Slovenia: +1 confirmed (now 2) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +7 confirmed (now 96623), +190 recoveries (now 53710) | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:15 UTC: Economic growth (GDP): Coronavirus could push UK to brink of recession, says Goldman Sachs → https://is.gd/gfVzB6 | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | , Azerbaijan: +3 confirmed (now 6) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Bahrain: +3 confirmed (now 55), +3 recoveries (now 4) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Canada: +1 confirmed (now 35) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Egypt: +1 confirmed (now 3) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Iceland: +8 confirmed (now 34) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Saudi Arabia: +3 confirmed (now 5) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , Singapore: +5 confirmed (now 117), +2 recoveries (now 81) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , South Korea: +4 deaths (now 40), +47 recoveries (now 135) | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +24 confirmed (now 96647), +4 deaths (now 3308), +52 recoveries (now 53762) | 13:37 |
| contingo | saddle up boys | 13:41 |
| contingo | we can make it | 13:41 |
| contingo | 100K within our sights | 13:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:29 UTC: Coronavirus: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates: California declares state of emergency; Italian doctors say German man may have been first European with virus and Scotland registers three more cases → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:45 UTC: Brexit: Michel Barnier says there are 'serious divergences' between UK and EU in trade talks - live news: Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the Commons health committee questioning Prof Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer → https://is.gd/vyrQ0S | 13:55 |
| Brainstorm | , Germany: +95 confirmed (now 444) | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | , Greece: +21 confirmed (now 31) | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 52232) | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +116 confirmed (now 96763), +1 recoveries (now 53763) | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:57 UTC: Coronavirus: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates: California declares state of emergency; Italian doctors say German man may have been first European with virus and Scotland registers three more cases → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 14:07 |
| mefistofeles | %data germany | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 444 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 14:16 |
| mefistofeles | %data Italy | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Italy, there are 3089 cases, 107 deaths (3.5% of cases), 276 recoveries as of Wed Mar 4 20:23:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 14:16 |
| mefistofeles | %data Colombia | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Sorry, Colombia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 14:16 |
| mefistofeles | %data Chile | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Chile, there are 3 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Chile for time series data. | 14:16 |
| mefistofeles | interesting | 14:17 |
| greyman | %data germany | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | greyman: In all areas, Germany, there are 444 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 14:20 |
| mefistofeles | %data South Korea | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, South Korea, there are 6088 cases, 40 deaths (0.7% of cases), 135 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | , Japan: +29 confirmed (now 360) | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | , Mainland China: +10 recoveries (now 52242) | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | , San Marino: +5 confirmed (now 21) | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | , Switzerland: +2 confirmed (now 95) | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | , US: +2 confirmed (now 162) | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | , World: +38 confirmed (now 96801), +10 recoveries (now 53773) | 14:37 |
| BubuIIC1 | <Brainstorm "greyman: In all areas, Germany, "> The number doesn't correspond to the linked graph. 🤔 | 14:44 |
| BubuIIC1 | Also the highest I have heard seen was 349 cases in germany as of a few hours ago. | 14:45 |
| tavasti | these numbers Brainstorm gives seem to be updated faster | 14:46 |
| tavasti | %data finland | 14:46 |
| Brainstorm | tavasti: In all areas, Finland, there are 12 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:32:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 14:46 |
| tavasti | what Brainstorm says is accurate, that link not | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit Italy live at 13:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il primo caso di Covid-19 in Europa? Il New England Journal dice che il primo caso europeo di Covid-19 potrebbe essere un Tedesco che ha manifestato sintomi respiratori e febbre alta il 24 Gennaio dopo aver incontrato una collega proveniente da Shanghai con il virus. → https://is.gd/BeYTPh | 14:47 |
| LjL | BubuIIC1, in the linked graph you have to enable "non-official" data to see the same that the bot shows (hopefully) | 14:51 |
| LjL | they aren't really non-official though, just scraped because they're not published yet | 14:51 |
| LjL | now i'll make the bot updates less spammy | 14:52 |
| BubuIIC1 | LjL: the non official data is also not at 444 | 14:52 |
| LjL | %data germany | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 444 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:32:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 14:52 |
| LjL | BubuIIC1, okay, let me try to figure it out then | 14:52 |
| sneep | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ has 444 for germany | 14:57 |
| romare | %data iran | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | romare: In all areas, Iran, there are 3513 cases, 107 deaths (3.0% of cases), 739 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:32:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data. | 14:58 |
| romare | %data bulgaria | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | romare: Sorry, bulgaria not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 14:59 |
| romare | %data greece | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | romare: In all areas, Greece, there are 31 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:32:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Greece for time series data. | 14:59 |
| LjL | romare, some of these data are wrong, the ones for Germany at least, so add a pinch of salt | 14:59 |
| LjL | %data Germany | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 444 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:32:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:49 UTC: Coronavirus: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates: California declares state of emergency; Italian doctors say German man may have been first European with virus and Scotland registers three more cases → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 14:59 |
| LjL | in reality that's more like 244 | 14:59 |
| tavasti | LjL, not even 'Include latest non-authoritative data' makes data accurate/recent | 15:00 |
| LjL | uhm | 15:00 |
| LjL | maybe tinwhiskers is publishing a csv file that's actually more up to date than the graphs then? | 15:00 |
| tavasti | and what bot says is correct, at least for Finland | 15:00 |
| LjL | i'll see if that's the case | 15:00 |
| LjL | yes | 15:01 |
| LjL | so yeah tavasti and BubuIIC1, 444 comes from my upstream data... whether that's correct or not i am not sure, but it probably is, and my bot is just reporting that | 15:01 |
| romare | this one actually never failed me: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/ | 15:01 |
| romare | %data south africa | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | romare: Sorry, south africa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 15:02 |
| LjL | romare, it's one of the sites in the topic's list, have a look | 15:02 |
| romare | see actually there's one case in south africa | 15:02 |
| romare | oh ok | 15:02 |
| LjL | there are many trackers, practically none of them are completely up to date all the time | 15:02 |
| romare | I see | 15:02 |
| LjL | so tinwhiskers (who kindly provides the graphs site and the data for my bot) is using a number of sources and collecting their data | 15:02 |
| romare | appreciated | 15:03 |
| BubuIIC1 | LjL: it probably is correct. There are already 3 new cases reported for Berlin since last time I checked. | 15:04 |
| LjL | BubuIIC1, they really change before we're finished typing messages :( | 15:04 |
| LjL | also i thought i might have found the mysterious bug that made most of the RSS feeds not post any news | 15:04 |
| LjL | but... i don't see that many more news posted? | 15:04 |
| LjL | it's still all mostly Guardian in my backscroll | 15:05 |
| LjL | BubuIIC1, you're a mod on the matrix site by the way in case you hadn't noticed (since someone else hadn't noticed!) use it as you see fit, i don't really have any hard set of rules on this place yet | 15:06 |
| contingo | my mother was finally convinced not to fly over here | 15:29 |
| BubuIIC1 | LjL: I did notice. | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 15:44 |
| LjL | contingo, she could drive to Singapore though | 15:46 |
| contingo | if she wants to go to Singapore, it's easy | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:53 UTC: Trump calls WHO's global death rate from coronavirus 'a false number': ‘This is just my hunch’, president says on Fox News and then plucked his own surmising of a death rate out of the air → https://is.gd/OejRgd | 15:57 |
| mefistofeles | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/03/science.abb2762.full | 16:02 |
| Albright | %title | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: From science.sciencemag.org: Structural basis for the recognition of the SARS-CoV-2 by full-length human ACE2 | Science | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:07 UTC: Brexit: Barnier says UK is refusing to commit to remaining signed up to ECHR as part of EU deal - live news: Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the Commons health committee questioning Prof Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer → https://is.gd/vyrQ0S | 16:21 |
| LjL | Greece is closing schools | 16:23 |
| LjL | %cases greece | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | UnboundLocalError: local variable 'bulletin' referenced before assignment (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 72, in data) | 16:23 |
| LjL | oh right i forgot i was in the middle of changing code... | 16:23 |
| LjL | %cases greece | 16:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Greece, there are 31 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 15:23:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Greece for time series data. | 16:25 |
| LjL | that's a pretty ugly nickname' | 16:28 |
| LjL | okay calm down now | 16:34 |
| Spec | remain calm, carry on | 16:36 |
| LjL | the other bot posted too little now this one posts too much | 16:36 |
| LjL | This is still very much not ideal... *if* my bot worked as it should, it should display the linked tweets and not just the useless URL | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: Iran to limit travel between major cities amid more than 3,500 cases - latest updates → https://is.gd/1bV4Di | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: As Chris Whitty provides a dose of reality, Boris is just an annoying distraction → https://is.gd/5BNcTF | 17:05 |
| LjL | okay let's see if RSSBot also posts this one | 17:07 |
| LjL | if they do i'll have RSSBot do Guardian, and Brainstorm *try* to do the reddit stuff | 17:08 |
| LjL | ... since obviously RSSBot overdoes it a tad | 17:08 |
| Albright | My IRC client is showing those posts with funky formatting for some reason. Red text on a dark red background. Stands out *way* too much. | 17:16 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: which client is that? btw | 17:17 |
| mefistofeles | and OS | 17:17 |
| Albright | Textual. | 17:17 |
| Albright | macOS. | 17:18 |
| mefistofeles | ok, I've never used that one | 17:19 |
| mefistofeles | but it should be configurable | 17:20 |
| mefistofeles | those are "notice" msgs, fwiw | 17:20 |
| LjL | Albright, they are NOTICEs. in theory it's what every body should use, according to the IRC protocol | 17:25 |
| LjL | some clients treat them funny, but there's really not much i can do about that. Matrix enforces bots using NOTICEs much futher than IRC does (since it doesn't) | 17:25 |
| LjL | every bot* not every body | 17:26 |
| pwr22 | I'm thinking of writing a matrix bot for covid stats | 17:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | pwr22: what language | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | Dunno yet, python or go I guess | 17:39 |
| pwr22 | I've just been meaning to take a look at writing one and this might motivate me | 17:39 |
| pwr22 | I'll put it on github if I do | 17:44 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: for learning purposes? | 17:47 |
| pwr22 | Yeah and fun | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | I really like matrix, it fixes all the problems I have with IRC | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | The only problem is it's still a little rough round the edges right now | 17:48 |
| Albright | Are there any clients which aren't written with Electron or the like? | 17:49 |
| tinwhiskers | %data finland | 17:52 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, Finland, there are 12 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 17:52 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: yes | 17:54 |
| pwr22 | Albright: yeah, a few. Nheko https://github.com/Nheko-Reborn/nheko is one | 17:54 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: which are those problems? If you want to share | 17:55 |
| pwr22 | I personally don't have any problem with the electron desktop client | 17:55 |
| pwr22 | For me mostly issues with the mobile clients | 17:55 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: I mean, the problems with IRC | 17:56 |
| pwr22 | One is stable but old and unmaintained and the other is in rapid development but doesn't work right for me in a couple crucial ways | 17:56 |
| pwr22 | That's the two "official" clients | 17:56 |
| pwr22 | Oh, mostly it's about usability and that most bouncers are crufty and old as fuck | 17:57 |
| pwr22 | It's easier for me to use IRC through setting up synapse than it is with ZNC for instance | 17:57 |
| pwr22 | which is just crazy | 17:57 |
| pwr22 | Matrix also does e2ee for when I want it | 17:57 |
| pwr22 | Plus I've got whatsapp, facebook messenger, sms, telegram, signal etc all bridged into it | 17:58 |
| mefistofeles | I see | 17:58 |
| pwr22 | I used IRC cloud for a while but it costs too much | 18:00 |
| pwr22 | I get why though - it's a pretty niche market | 18:00 |
| Albright | I use ZNC. Configuration is kind of weird but once you get it figured out it's pretty set-and-forget. | 18:02 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, I've persevered through it several times over the years - usually so long inbetween I forget how it works | 18:04 |
| pwr22 | I just don't care enough about IRC for the faff of interacting with it | 18:04 |
| pwr22 | I want my chat things always on etc. IRC is cool but it's dated as fuck and something change isn't all bad | 18:04 |
| pwr22 | Matrix magically lets me use IRC and matrix so much so that I was in this room for a bit before figuring out it was actually an IRC room too | 18:05 |
| pwr22 | And that's pretty nice IMO | 18:05 |
| Albright | https://youtu.be/7YJLAs3jZG4?t=1064 Oh for pete's sake, internet. | 18:28 |
| LjL | Spec, my pharmacy has stocked a few FPP2 mask. €130 a pack of 10 | 18:49 |
| LjL | but my new walkman with its aura will protect me from the virus if i walk while listening to it anyway | 18:49 |
| LjL | that guy has already uploaded the tracking code, he's amazing | 18:50 |
| LjL | (probably not shipped yet though, usually it just means he's set up pickup with the posts) | 18:50 |
| Timvde | %cases Belgium | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 50 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 14:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 19:01 |
| Timvde | LjL: a *new* walkman? | 19:01 |
| Timvde | Does that exist? :p | 19:01 |
| LjL | Timvde, *cough* "new" in the sense that it's not the same one that Spec already knows i had bought before :x | 19:02 |
| LjL | Timvde, but also it really does look like new and the seller has replaced the belts | 19:02 |
| LjL | Timvde, unfortunately the other one i bought before, i bought it before researching enough. the seller was like "fully working", but it's not fully working at all: it plays, but no rewind and a broken gear clicks (which are the typical failures of that model). to be fair, i still paid it pretty much the correct price for a broken one, after i obtained a partial refund from the seller, since it's a particularly awesome model, with semi-professional | 19:04 |
| LjL | recording and line out... the one i bought now is more just for regular playing, since it doesn't weigh a ton for a start | 19:04 |
| MikeJoel | %data Maine | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Maine not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 19:23 |
| MikeJoel | %data ME | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In ME, Armenia, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Sun Mar 1 20:53:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Armenia for time series data. | 19:23 |
| MikeJoel | %data New York | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In NY, US, there are 24 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:23 |
| MikeJoel | %data Ohio | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, Ohio not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 19:23 |
| MikeJoel | %data South Carolina | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Sorry, South Carolina not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 19:24 |
| MikeJoel | %data North Carolina | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In NC, US, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:24 |
| MikeJoel | %data China | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In all areas, Mainland China, there are 80430 cases, 3013 deaths (3.7% of cases), 52259 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 18:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mainland%20China for time series data. | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 19:24 |
| MikeJoel | %data California | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | MikeJoel: In CA, US, there are 38 cases, 1 deaths (2.6% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 18:25 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: 5 new cases in Palestine, total confirmed 7 → https://is.gd/Y68tzT | 19:26 |
| zirpu | %data World | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸World: +7 confirmed (now 97936), +1 recoveries (now 53932) | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | zirpu: In all areas, World, there are 97936 cases, 3353 deaths (3.4% of cases), 53932 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 19:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | zirpu: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 19:37 |
| zirpu | the difference from the spanish flu epidemic in 1918 is the advancement of medical science. yea science! | 19:38 |
| LjL | zirpu, the difference is also that this is not a flu and has very little characteristics in common with a flu | 19:41 |
| zirpu | ah. that i didn't know. thanks. | 19:42 |
| LjL | zirpu, have a look at the "resources" link the topic. i've put there a section explaining why this is not like a flu, since it kind of keeps coming up | 19:43 |
| zirpu | cool. thanks. | 19:44 |
| p_hpd[m] | how many states are closed in usa?? | 19:46 |
| LjL | "closed"? | 19:47 |
| p_hpd[m] | Jar state of emergency | 19:47 |
| LjL | p_hpd[m], is a state of emergency enough to override constitutional freedom of movement? | 19:50 |
| zirpu | not yet it isn't. | 19:50 |
| LjL | i'd have guessed that requiring something closer to martial law | 19:50 |
| p_hpd[m] | I do not know ?? is it ?? | 19:51 |
| zirpu | i was at a starbucks and they're refusing to use recyclable cups citing covid-19. i thought that was odd as i handed her cash. they should stop taking cash too. | 19:51 |
| twomoon | what are you saying ljl ? | 19:51 |
| LjL | well, i'm not a huge expert in US law | 19:51 |
| LjL | twomoon, i don't know... what are you asking about? | 19:51 |
| twomoon | what requires martial law? | 19:52 |
| LjL | twomoon, "closing" state borders in the US | 19:52 |
| twomoon | oh | 19:52 |
| zirpu | it is nowhere yet near enought to even consider restricting movements. martial law is very extreme and has terrible consequences. | 19:52 |
| LjL | the US constitution provides for freedom of movement between state lines | 19:52 |
| Albright | zirpu: Ha. That's not seeing the forest for the trees, isn't it? | 19:52 |
| Albright | (The Starbucks story) | 19:52 |
| zirpu | exactly. money is dirty. people just don't think about it. | 19:52 |
| LjL | my guess is you'd either need a constitutional amendment, or a declaration of martial law | 19:52 |
| zirpu | the US isn't china, they will avoid closing borders until it's too late. | 19:53 |
| twomoon | ya think? | 19:53 |
| zirpu | especially the current administration. | 19:53 |
| Albright | The US constitution is constantly violated so I really wouldn't be surprised to start to see restrictions like that happen extrajudicially. I don't think we're near that quite yet, though. | 19:53 |
| p_hpd[m] | it seems that it is not controlled.. | 19:54 |
| twomoon | when china started burning paper money that was a game changer | 19:56 |
| twomoon | it really started limiting the viral spread i thought | 19:56 |
| twomoon | perhaps just coincidence tho | 19:56 |
| p_hpd[m] | it will happen to us too ?? | 19:56 |
| Albright | China could use this as an opportunity to promote cashless systems which make it easier for them to track your purchasing and make sure it is politically correct. | 19:59 |
| p_hpd[m] | Albright: then they should be able to control what people buy ?? | 20:01 |
| twomoon | china is already cashless by and large | 20:01 |
| twomoon | cash is dead, except in remote villages | 20:01 |
| LjL | China has indeed begun to refuse/quarantine people from the... rest of the world, now | 20:04 |
| LjL | quite ironic | 20:04 |
| LjL | now they have this under control and the rest of us don't | 20:04 |
| LjL | i don't even like to think with this "us" vs "them" mentality but like... have you seen anyone from China in this channel? if the odd one even joined, they'd probably stay for like 3 minutes before their VPN goes down. that's mostly been my (scant) experience with people from China on IRC | 20:05 |
| zirpu | under "control" like squeezing a handfull of jello. authoritarianism never scales. | 20:05 |
| p_hpd[m] | that's for they can sell expensive medicine to us | 20:06 |
| twomoon | damn, chinese stocks are becoming like a safe haven | 20:10 |
| twomoon | that is quite ironic isn't it ljl | 20:10 |
| pwr22 | Building where there has been at least one case | 20:12 |
| pwr22 | A bar round the corner is as busy as usual | 20:17 |
| pwr22 | https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/gtc-2020-isnt-cancelled-but-its-now-online-only-due-to-coronavirus | 20:20 |
| LjL | https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/ | 20:31 |
| LjL | TL;DR there are two strains, or two "types" whatever they may be called, of the virus circulating, but rumors that one is deadlier are unfounded | 20:32 |
| fructose | LjL: One thing that seems worth adding to your bot is growth rate and doubling time calculations | 20:35 |
| LjL | fructose, there's a few things that could be added, right now i have no acccess to or recording of previous data | 20:36 |
| LjL | if i put that in place then i might add some fancy things | 20:36 |
| fructose | LjL: I thought you said it was in those CSV file, which is why you weren't interested in the ProMED link I gave you :P | 20:37 |
| LjL | fructose, no, different CSV files | 20:37 |
| LjL | i am tapping into those that tinwhiskers produces since they are more up to date | 20:38 |
| fructose | LjL: https://promedmail.org/promed-post/?id=7042402 | 20:38 |
| LjL | i am currently using data that is updated much more frequently than daily | 20:38 |
| fructose | "right now i have no acccess to or recording of previous data" | 20:40 |
| fructose | That link solves that problem | 20:40 |
| LjL | ugh no | 20:40 |
| LjL | what i meant is that i am not accessing such data | 20:40 |
| LjL | not that i don't have them potentially available | 20:40 |
| LjL | potentially i can do anything, practically i'm constrained by time and my brain abilities to code | 20:41 |
| LjL | right now the code only has logic to deal with a present snapshot of cases, except for posting updates with "+whatever in italy" when the data changes | 20:41 |
| LjL | if it's even doing that, because it was and then it wasn't, so that part of the code might be wrong too | 20:42 |
| fructose | Is it already open source? | 20:43 |
| LjL | %source covid | 20:43 |
| LjL | well, maybe after it's restarted | 20:43 |
| LjL | %source covid | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, source code for module 'covid' can be found at https://paste.ee/p/VjXpb | 20:44 |
| LjL | enjoy my monster if's | 20:44 |
| yuriwho | does anyone here have access to a university digital science library? I'd like to get the pdf of this paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0385-z | 20:48 |
| fructose | yuriwho: https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1038/s41423-020-0385-z | 20:52 |
| yuriwho | ty fructose | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 20:08 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: 6 new cases in Georgia (the country) total confirmed 9 → https://is.gd/YKH1fM | 21:14 |
| padthaifist | %data thailand | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | padthaifist: In all areas, Thailand, there are 47 cases, 1 deaths (2.1% of cases), 31 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 07:23:06 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data. | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | padthaifist: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 21:25 |
| ubLIX | %data uk | 21:26 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: In all areas, UK, there are 116 cases, 1 deaths (0.9% of cases), 8 recoveries as of Thu Mar 5 21:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=UK for time series data. | 21:26 |
| LjL | "Novel antibody epitopes dominate the antigenicity of spike glycoprotein in SARS-CoV-2 compared to SARS-CoV" ← these aren't even real words | 21:37 |
| twomoon | lol | 21:37 |
| twomoon | let's rename the channel ##sarscov-2 | 21:38 |
| LjL | ##sars-cov-2 | 21:38 |
| LjL | you try joining that | 21:38 |
| mefistofeles | wait what? | 21:44 |
| mefistofeles | SARS-CoV-2 is the virus, covid-19 is the disease | 21:44 |
| mefistofeles | afaik | 21:44 |
| contingo | amazon uk getting pretty low / expensive on aloe vera gel | 21:46 |
| LjL | oh i should look at the other gelling agents you mentioned | 21:47 |
| twomoon | just get an oxygen tank | 21:48 |
| twomoon | or a concentrator | 21:48 |
| TDC | Almost Every Election yr,,,nother '''virus''' mers zika ebola ... 9 of 11 ebola treatment sites in Africa never saw a patient... pbs | 21:48 |
| zirpu | hrm. | 21:48 |
| LjL | twomoon, err, what does that have to do with gel | 21:49 |
| twomoon | gel won't do much | 21:50 |
| contingo | neither will an oxygen concentrator if your pneumonia progresses to the point you need extracorporeal membrane oxygenation treatment | 21:51 |
| LjL | twomoon, the gel is to make hand sanitizer gel. i have no idea what else you are thinking | 21:51 |
| twomoon | i mean hand sanitizer won't help you much | 21:51 |
| twomoon | i'm not sure why people think it helps | 21:52 |
| LjL | contingo, what would you reckon aloe gel "should" cost normally? | 21:52 |
| fructose | twomoon: Washing your hands helps | 21:52 |
| LjL | twomoon, because this virus is substantially transferred on surfaces? | 21:52 |
| twomoon | ahh ok | 21:52 |
| twomoon | i thought it just goes straight into the air and you breath it in | 21:52 |
| twomoon | breathe | 21:52 |
| twomoon | aerosolized | 21:53 |
| zirpu | that's why people infected must wear masks, to prevent contamination of services and such. | 21:53 |
| fructose | twomoon: That's just one transmission vector to be concerned about | 21:53 |
| zirpu | virii are heavier than air and sink. don't get sneezed on though. :-\ | 21:53 |
| twomoon | a lot of things that are heavier than air never wind up falling to the ground | 21:53 |
| LjL | twomoon, that's one way you can get it, sure. actually, aerosol transmission is still downplayed by some (as opposed to direct droplet transmission), but, yeah. | 21:53 |
| fructose | zirpu: They can be kept afloat in air currents | 21:53 |
| twomoon | just look at pollen or small feathers | 21:53 |
| zirpu | true. | 21:53 |
| LjL | also virii isn't the plural of anything | 21:54 |
| twomoon | isn't aerosol the same as direct droplet? | 21:54 |
| zirpu | viruses. :-) | 21:54 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: no | 21:54 |
| twomoon | wow i guess i'm malinformed | 21:54 |
| LjL | twomoon, no. direct droplet means you have someone less than a meter or two from you coughing, sneezing, or simply talking, and you get droplets of their saliva into your system. aerosolization means that sort of thing actually lingers around in the air. | 21:55 |
| twomoon | oh like pollen | 21:55 |
| zirpu | hand washing is to prevent you from rubbing the virus into your eyes, or nose. | 21:55 |
| LjL | pollen is probably not called aerosol, but as to staying in the air, i guess... | 21:55 |
| zirpu | particulate. | 21:56 |
| contingo | the whole biological purpose of airborne pollen and spores is that a significant enough portion do fall back down and adhere to surface substrates | 21:58 |
| LjL | contingo, well, ideally after a good amount of travel though, i guess | 21:58 |
| twomoon | i wonder if just running your hands under water without soap is as good as using soap | 21:58 |
| twomoon | or 90% as good | 21:58 |
| twomoon | lol contingo i thought it was to annoy humans | 21:58 |
| LjL | most of the action is mechanical... but surfactants ought to help | 21:59 |
| twomoon | i had actually forgotten it was to fall back to earth | 21:59 |
| LjL | but anyway, it's a good point to remember that "washing your hands" doesn't really mean covering them in soap and just letting the soap do its magic | 21:59 |
| LjL | you actually have to rub them and all | 21:59 |
| LjL | i posted a picture from an article here yesterday that "mapped" which parts of the hands people are least likely to rub properly when washing | 21:59 |
| twomoon | i need to stop touching my face so much | 22:00 |
| twomoon | i wish my mom had put me through etiquette training | 22:00 |
| contingo | there are all kind of informative links in the topic | 22:00 |
| zirpu | and don't pick your nose. :-) | 22:00 |
| twomoon | also need to buy glasses that stop drooping off my nose | 22:00 |
| LjL | twomoon, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/health/stop-touching-your-face-coronavirus.html | 22:01 |
| contingo | anyway, LjL, I think it's usually like £2 something for 100ml, and prices are double, also some regular suppliers are out of stock, or awaiting stock, and other suppliers are limiting purchases to one or two per customer | 22:01 |
| contingo | twomoon did you know we apparently do have a second moon at the moment https://www.newscientist.com/article/2235427-earth-has-acquired-a-brand-new-moon-thats-about-the-size-of-a-car/ | 22:02 |
| twomoon | i'm gonna start using chopsticks to eat chips | 22:03 |
| LjL | contingo, uhm amazon.it seems to have all sorts of prices for it, and i wonder how many of those "aloe gels" are actually just aloe gel vs complicated cosmetics | 22:03 |
| twomoon | contingo. interesting shit | 22:03 |
| zirpu | is that 2nd moon that tesla they shot up? :-) | 22:03 |
| twomoon | let's hope it gradually sucks in space debris now =) | 22:04 |
| contingo | LjL well, my impression was based on ten minutes of impatiently sorting just amazon UK listings for products that are "pure" or around 1% additives | 22:06 |
| LjL | contingo, oh by the way, the WHO's own instructions on making hand sanitizer have (otherwise identical) recipes based on both isopropyl and denaturated ethanol... so i guess they think they're not too toxic. not that it matters for me practically anymore, since denaturated alcohol is already also nowhere to be found... | 22:07 |
| contingo | OK noted | 22:07 |
| LjL | gelling agents courtesy of contingo: agar, gelatin, methycellulose, xanthan gum, high molecular weight (long strand length) polyethylene polymers | 22:07 |
| contingo | uhh | 22:08 |
| LjL | just so next time i don't have to read hundreds of lines of logs | 22:08 |
| contingo | well some of those you might not want to use for an evaporating hand gel | 22:08 |
| LjL | i guess not! | 22:08 |
| LjL | contingo, would you go with aloe vera, presuming it available and not extortionately priced? | 22:08 |
| contingo | like the polyethylene based ones, I was thinking of an experiment where you can create a self-siphoning liquid, it gets that gloopy | 22:08 |
| LjL | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_fountain | 22:09 |
| LjL | looks fun | 22:09 |
| contingo | I've done the experiment it was gross. Also the product was listed on amazon "for anal fisting" | 22:10 |
| contingo | lol | 22:10 |
| LjL | ... | 22:10 |
| twomoon | is anyone buying an O2 concentrator? | 22:10 |
| LjL | no | 22:10 |
| twomoon | i guess that's a paranoic buy | 22:10 |
| LjL | not anyone who doesn't have someone who probably needs it, anyway | 22:11 |
| contingo | anyway yes to aloe, because it's preformulated and already at a thick consistency where diluting it by 2/3 with alcohol leaves it in gel form | 22:11 |
| twomoon | psyllium husk makes a great gelling agent | 22:11 |
| twomoon | but then you gotta filter out the larger fibers | 22:12 |
| twomoon | the husks | 22:12 |
| dunnp | why not just wash your hands in everclear? | 22:12 |
| dunnp | why do you need a gel | 22:12 |
| twomoon | why not just have a vat of alcohol and dip your hands in it and then in water | 22:12 |
| twomoon | faster | 22:12 |
| dunnp | sounds good | 22:12 |
| dunnp | i have a spray bottle of 70% ethanol | 22:12 |
| LjL | contingo, this may be good if i wanted to make A LOT of hand sanitizer, price-per-ml-wise... https://www.amazon.it/Equilibra-Aloe-Vera-Extra-1000/dp/B018GI0Z02/ | 22:12 |
| twomoon | lol 'extortionately' | 22:13 |
| LjL | contingo, wait nevermind | 22:13 |
| LjL | twomoon, it's a word | 22:13 |
| twomoon | i know it's just that i had never seen it before | 22:14 |
| twomoon | and it's just funny | 22:14 |
| LjL | contingo, it would be nice if amazon weren't terrible at searching products, considering its main use is searching for products... i search aloe gel, this is no gel | 22:14 |
| twomoon | yeah amazon's search engine somehow got a lot worse a couple years back | 22:14 |
| contingo | it's just a handy format when it's not a runny liquid. Disinfecting alcohols need to remain in contact with surfaces / your skin for some seconds to be effective | 22:16 |
| LjL | contingo, and also it is much less prone to ugly accidents when you're carrying a tiny bottle of it in your pocket everywhere | 22:17 |
| LjL | i wouldn't do that with liquid liquids | 22:17 |
| dunnp | contingo: like 10 seconds | 22:17 |
| dunnp | could also use isopropyl | 22:17 |
| LjL | contingo, anyway i can confirm after some perusal of amazon.it that the aloe gels that are priced lower (which is still higher than 2 pounds / ml, but like, lower in total) are mostly running out | 22:18 |
| contingo | yeah, so, when out and about, it's handy to have a gel that evaporates off my hands in around 10 seconds, rather than a complete liquid that I'm trying to keep spread over my skin for that lengths of time, and wasting lots and making a mess. Yes, I'm formulating mine with isopropanol now | 22:18 |
| dunnp | ah out and about | 22:20 |
| LjL | yes, at home you can just wash your hands, mostly, although i've heard people say that's not enough - but no institutional advice to that | 22:21 |
| LjL | so i select Prime, i deselect Pantry | 22:23 |
| LjL | it shows me Pantry products | 22:23 |
| LjL | why amazon why | 22:23 |
| TDC | I make my own silver water with a phone charger, a 30ohm resistor, a .9999 coin and distilled water | 22:26 |
| TDC | i fist bump....ALWAYS | 22:26 |
| contingo | I used to do a lot of quite demanding sterile microbiology culture labwork... making tissue clones of wild specimens of fungus, or single spore isolates from spore swabs... more fussy work than standard plasmid cloning say | 22:27 |
| contingo | so I know a bit about getting things clean | 22:28 |
| contingo | my contamination rates were generally the lowest in our lab | 22:28 |
| contingo | but my home isn't a lab and I kind of suck at improvising substitutes for the stuff I had access to | 22:29 |
| contingo | complete sterility is not a practical goal either so | 22:29 |
| contingo | aloe vera :) | 22:29 |
| contingo | colloidal silver, good stuff TDC | 22:30 |
| LjL | contingo, the WHO recommends a small amount of hydrogen peroxide in your hand sanitizer in order to kill the bacteria that might otherwise actually like alcohol | 22:30 |
| contingo | OK noted thanks | 22:31 |
| TDC | contingo: THNX , wundered if i was bein muted ...lol | 22:32 |
| TDC | i Drink a little of 1st pee of the day, blend it down with water.Listed In MarineCorp Survival handbook 19080? . never got the flu since then, and not gettin flu-shot. | 22:35 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 22:35 |
| dunnp | you drink a little of your first pee of the day | 22:35 |
| TDC | ^^^only if not sick thou | 22:35 |
| TDC | yes.... i do ... what of it ??? | 22:35 |
| mefistofeles | I just drink little kids blood, they don't get symptoms | 22:36 |
| TDC | Laugh at a marine for surviving ? | 22:36 |
| dunnp | yup | 22:36 |
| TDC | smart-alec get no respect | 22:36 |
| dunnp | where'd you serve marine? | 22:36 |
| TDC | nyob | 22:36 |
| dunnp | yup | 22:37 |
| TDC | smart-alec | 22:37 |
| dunnp | I am a bit of one yea | 22:37 |
| TDC | dunnp yet you let a dr inject aborted baby fetus cells into your brain? theres logic 4 ya | 22:38 |
| dunnp | wtaf | 22:39 |
| LjL | geeze, this has been the easiest channel i've ever opped | 22:41 |
| LjL | they all just ban themselves | 22:41 |
| dunnp | lol | 22:42 |
| contingo | is this real life | 22:48 |
| Lillie[m] | Is this just fantasy? | 22:49 |
| contingo | silver is an interesting antimicrobial, and also has an interesting history of people who ingest colloidal suspensions of it and turn then blue | 22:50 |
| contingo | I hadn't heard of people recycling their silver containing urine by directly drinking it before | 22:50 |
| contingo | but then I'm not a marine | 22:51 |
| contingo | if he was using .9999 coins that would mean Canadian silver maples | 22:52 |
| tinwhiskers | I got lost in an internet black hole this morning for several hours looking up how easy it would be to use PCR to do your own tests for covid-19... turns out it's actually pretty easy. | 22:58 |
| tinwhiskers | for fairly large values of "pretty easy" | 22:58 |
| Lillie[m] | pcr? | 22:59 |
| contingo | where would you swab from? | 22:59 |
| twomoon | let's not let this channel become '##covid-preppers' | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | PCR = polymerase chain reaction, + electrophoresis gels. It can be done with extremely cheap materials. However you would need to purchase some covid-19 primers, which cost about $5 each | 23:00 |
| contingo | what about the PCR reaction itself | 23:01 |
| tinwhiskers | you can make a pcr machine under $100 using an arduino | 23:01 |
| dunnp | it would be easy | 23:01 |
| contingo | I guess so | 23:01 |
| tinwhiskers | nothing state-of-the-art of course but entirely achievable... and fairly pointless | 23:02 |
| contingo | I eventually hated doing it enough in a fully equipped lab to want to do it myself | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. fair enough | 23:02 |
| dunnp | could get this: https://www.bento.bio/ | 23:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I heard some bad things about those | 23:03 |
| contingo | tinwhiskers, is there good reef snorkeling to be found in Tonga? | 23:03 |
| dunnp | what did you hear bad? | 23:04 |
| tinwhiskers | sure. great diving. I'm surrounded by literally miles of coral reefs | 23:04 |
| twomoon | wow sounds fun tinwhiskers | 23:05 |
| dunnp | you'd need taq and some dNTPs | 23:05 |
| dunnp | and you could just do it with two different pots of water | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | sure | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. yeah | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | 3 pots | 23:05 |
| dunnp | the initial problem was that CDC sent the wrong primer out for testing | 23:06 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. I was wondering about that | 23:06 |
| dunnp | why 3 baths? | 23:06 |
| dunnp | 95 and 65 | 23:07 |
| tinwhiskers | denaturation step (94°C–98°C), annealing step (50°C–65°C), and elongation step (72°C). | 23:07 |
| contingo | awesome tinwhiskers | 23:07 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe elongation works at 65 | 23:07 |
| dunnp | yea | 23:07 |
| dunnp | and to think we spend $5k for a machine to do that for us :P | 23:09 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 23:09 |
| dunnp | antibody tests should be out soon anyway | 23:10 |
| dunnp | that would be faster | 23:10 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. nice | 23:10 |
| tinwhiskers | are they entirely portable as well? | 23:10 |
| dunnp | very portable | 23:11 |
| tinwhiskers | i.e. field tests, or still require a lab? | 23:11 |
| dunnp | ELISA | 23:11 |
| dunnp | add sample and it changes color | 23:11 |
| dunnp | tinwhiskers: do you do lab work? | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | nice | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | no | 23:12 |
| dunnp | just an interest? | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean, I've donned a lab coat at times but only very minor things. | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | But worked with geneticists and dealt with servicing some lab equipment | 23:13 |
| dunnp | hmm | 23:13 |
| dunnp | neat | 23:15 |
| dunnp | thought about doing this just to see | 23:16 |
| tinwhiskers | it'd be interesting to try, for sure, but I'd prefer not to run across anyone that I could take a sample from anyway :-) | 23:16 |
| dunnp | https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/peiris-protocol-16-1-20.pdf?sfvrsn=af1aac73_4 | 23:16 |
| dunnp | have the primer sequences there | 23:17 |
| dunnp | https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/laboratory-guidance | 23:17 |
| dunnp | and there too | 23:17 |
| tinwhiskers | I was looking at the pricing for them here: https://www.biobasic.com/coronavirus-covid-19-primers | 23:18 |
| twomoon | are you a scientist tinwhiskers ? | 23:19 |
| tinwhiskers | I was, but now early retired | 23:19 |
| LjL | uh oh | 23:20 |
| LjL | another? | 23:20 |
| tinwhiskers | dang. don't go on a cruise | 23:21 |
| tinwhiskers | this is annoying. these things really complicate the data. | 23:21 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 23:21 |
| dunnp | thats really about the price I'd pay for primers too tinwhiskers | 23:21 |
| dunnp | retired early eh? have some amazing invention and get rich? :) | 23:22 |
| dunnp | a more fun way for testing would be nanopore sequencing | 23:24 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. nah, just decided I could get by being poor in the right place. | 23:25 |
| contingo | I was hoping to get to some eastern Indonesian reefs later this year | 23:26 |
| dunnp | in Tonga? | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, for now | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | contingo: whereabouts are you located? | 23:28 |
| LjL | new version of the topic has WHO instructions for hand sanitizer in it (but spoilers, it's liquid) | 23:28 |
| dunnp | are you Tongan? | 23:28 |
| gasdfsagasfa | https://deepmind.com/research/open-source/computational-predictions-of-protein-structures-associated-with-COVID-19 | 23:28 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: nah, kiwi | 23:29 |
| twomoon | you would think an island off new zealand would give you that sort of remote lifestyle you're looking for | 23:29 |
| dunnp | are they very open to non-Tongans? | 23:30 |
| tinwhiskers | not the tropical waters and plants, coral reefs, or price competitiveness | 23:30 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: yes and no. Some are very nice. Some aren't... people, huh | 23:31 |
| dunnp | I've thought about going to some remote island and working on coral genomics many times | 23:31 |
| contingo | London, tinwhiskers, but with a lot of connections in Singapore, Malaysia. Have spent a lot of time in Borneo in recent years | 23:31 |
| contingo | to very remote rainforest | 23:32 |
| tinwhiskers | nice | 23:32 |
| contingo | but the reefs I used to enjoy visiting around West Malaysia as a kid are basically all gone now, at snorkelling depths | 23:33 |
| tinwhiskers | wow, dunnp and contingo... very interesting, the both of you | 23:33 |
| tinwhiskers | coffee... | 23:33 |
| contingo | I used to know many beaches where you could wade straight out and immediately be over pristine reef... no longer | 23:33 |
| dunnp | i will probably never do it... but set up a collaboratin in the virgin islands so can go down there and play a bit | 23:33 |
| twomoon | what happened to Western Malaysia? | 23:34 |
| twomoon | did the reefs die ? | 23:34 |
| twomoon | are you some sort of scientist contingo? | 23:34 |
| contingo | same as everywhere with denuded reefs... overfishing, pollution runoff, physical damage from badly managed tourism, bleaching events (the main thing really), a bit of acidification | 23:35 |
| twomoon | are bleaching events caused by heat? | 23:36 |
| contingo | yep | 23:36 |
| contingo | I am some sort of biologist | 23:36 |
| twomoon | awesome man | 23:37 |
| twomoon | wish i had gotten into biotech/biophys | 23:37 |
| twomoon | my career would have sprouted wings | 23:37 |
| BruntLIVE | cleaning bays coming | 23:38 |
| BruntLIVE | car wash? | 23:38 |
| BruntLIVE | people wash? | 23:38 |
| BruntLIVE | damn dirty human | 23:38 |
| contingo | well I similarly wish I was retired and adjacent to a coral reef, tinwhiskers | 23:40 |
| twomoon | i envy his lifestyle a bit | 23:45 |
| twomoon | but i dunno, an island with less than 10 people and probably no doctors | 23:45 |
| twomoon | i'm not sure how long i could handle that | 23:46 |
| gasdfsagasfa | http://virological.org/t/response-to-on-the-origin-and-continuing-evolution-of-sars-cov-2/418 | 23:47 |
| LjL | contingo, ↑ ("there aren't two strains") | 23:48 |
| tinwhiskers | contingo: well, if you really want to I'm looking for someone long or short term to live here when I head off. Sabbatical? If it weren't for this covid-19 thing I'd probably be planning a move soon but I'm really just waiting to see what happens. | 23:58 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, that seems wise | 23:59 |
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