| Toadisattva | yes I'm familiar with the invisible rhinos | 03:02 |
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| Toadisattva | that's just sensible | 03:02 |
| saint- | What on earthh... | 03:05 |
| saint- | Lol | 03:05 |
| pyna | it's just basic philosophy | 03:06 |
| qkall | ...so brainstorm hasn't updated at all for me today? | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 00:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Study to track infection and immunity levels → https://is.gd/tFq3JI | 03:07 |
| LjL | qkall, not just for you. i'm still confused as to whether it's Brainstorm or the Covidly data. it *sent* an update several hours ago, and... i don't think i've changed any relevant code since | 03:08 |
| qkall | LjL: awesome - i'm just happy it's not me. | 03:09 |
| qkall | genuinely | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: Ruby Princess set to leave as inquiry begins into coronavirus response – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 03:14 |
| pyna | oh wow today's press conference seems to have especially knockoff-orwellian | 03:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump says he's signed order restricting immigration → https://is.gd/kUW6Ux | 03:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Ohio man dies from COVID-19 after criticizing governor’s coronavirus lockdown as ‘madness’ (11045 votes) | https://redd.it/g69y1g | 03:44 |
| pyna | https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-asks-cdc-director-explain-how-he-was-misquoted-he-n1190051 Dan Brown's 201984 | 03:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:45 UTC: Why Singapore's push to contain coronavirus among migrant workers is so difficult: The number of Covid-19 cases in the city-state has spiked in the past month — from about 1,000 cumulative cases on April 1 to more than 10,000 today. → https://is.gd/qWtwIh | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Thailand's foreign tourist arrivals dip 76.4% in March → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 04:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +25752 cases (now 848824), +2226 deaths (now 47454) since a day ago — Russia: +5236 cases (now 57999), +57 deaths (now 513) since a day ago — New York, US: +4931 cases (now 263292), +309 deaths (now 19413) since a day ago | 04:06 |
| LjL | groan | 04:07 |
| ketas | this image: https://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/newsletters/overlay/nl-hover-human-germs-mobile.jpg | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: ATO has approved half a million application for early access to super worth $3.8bn – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Thailand's foreign tourist arrivals dip 76.4% in March → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: ATO approves $3.8bn in withdrawals for early access to super – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 04:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +1110 cases (now 159877) since 34 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +810 cases (now 36892) since 34 minutes ago — India: +449 cases (now 21370) since 34 minutes ago | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:40 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US states start to reopen as detained Wuhan journalist reappears: World has ‘a long way to go’, warns WHO chief; Singapore cases pass 10,000; first case among Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/e9im5s | 04:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Thailand's foreign tourist arrivals dip; South Korea's economy contracts → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 04:56 |
| rager | it's really too bad this guy is gonna stop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l4uo3E1qsg | 04:56 |
| rager | it's such a succinct breakdown of the cases | 04:57 |
| tinwhiskers | I think I prefer a table. I can't see how these are at all useful. | 04:58 |
| rager | what's wp? | 04:59 |
| tinwhiskers | erm wp = wordpress? | 05:00 |
| tinwhiskers | In what context? | 05:00 |
| rager | that's my guess | 05:00 |
| pyna | woo my fair city has hit 10k cases | 05:12 |
| pyna | whatever source my script sucks from has been reporting about +500 cases a day for the last month or so | 05:15 |
| pyna | o right this nyt github dump | 05:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 03:11 UTC: ljl-covid: Add NYC tracker → https://is.gd/0vCSnO | 05:18 |
| rager | that seems highly unlikely, wp | 05:18 |
| SeanBedlam[m] | Hey everybody what are you doing for mental health? | 05:19 |
| rager | esp since no place wants to inflate their death tolls | 05:19 |
| rager | drugs, mostly | 05:20 |
| rager | also, alcohol | 05:20 |
| SeanBedlam[m] | Drugs, alcohol, sauna, yoga, and kratom. | 05:20 |
| SeanBedlam[m] | Good combo | 05:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardy, Italy: +2121 cases (now 69092), +161 deaths (now 12740) since a day ago — Piedmont, Italy: +1390 cases (now 22739) since an hour ago — Tuscany, Italy: +193 cases (now 8700) since an hour ago | 05:21 |
| pyna | sometime i wish gnuplot was invented just a little later | 05:22 |
| SeanBedlam[m] | Why | 05:22 |
| pyna | when being used by idiots understood as normal | 05:23 |
| pyna | /s/idiots/idiots was/ | 05:23 |
| term99 | %data ohio | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there are 14117 cases (0.1% of the population) and 610 deaths (4.3% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 97998 tests were performed (14.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ohio for time series data. | 05:25 |
| pyna | yeah not the most encouraging curve for my city https://i.imgur.com/BoHZnk0.png | 05:29 |
| tinwhiskers | pyna: missing title... where is this? | 05:29 |
| LjL | pyna, doesn't look exponential at least | 05:30 |
| pyna | philly | 05:31 |
| pyna | yeah idk how to gnuplot yet | 05:32 |
| tinwhiskers | well, it's a damn good start then | 05:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Thailand's foreign tourist arrivals dip; South Korea's economy contracts → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 05:33 |
| pyna | i've plotted before but not enough to remember how to do anything, and unfortunately i am too dumb to use r. | 05:33 |
| tinwhiskers | I use gnuplot too (also r) | 05:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Right now I'm using flot though, which is of course javascript (ugh) | 05:34 |
| tinwhiskers | I'd probably tend to use flot over gnuplot now though due to the interactivity abilities | 05:35 |
| pyna | i stan r, but im a pile of awk and shell and just enough math to cheerfully suck at it | 05:35 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 05:36 |
| Spec | tinwhiskers: i don't use any such mathematicals, but in university i had to use a thing called minitab | 05:39 |
| Spec | it was atrocious | 05:39 |
| pyna | ive done enough discrete math to not trust any chart i produce, also any chart, or statistics at all. not that the math is bad, just that its effects on human brains are terrifying | 05:40 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, we used minitab but had the main dev for genstat in house so tended to use that a lot | 05:41 |
| tinwhiskers | but ultimately most of the scientists are moving to R. I find R a bit awkward and slow. | 05:41 |
| pyna | i've seen R natives and so jelly of how smooth and fast they are with it | 05:42 |
| tinwhiskers | There's some jobs we've had to rcpp for which kinda defeats the point of R is you ask me | 05:42 |
| tinwhiskers | it does some stuff really well that works as vectors well but iterative stuff is awful | 05:42 |
| pyna | well that's the place where dummies like me have a chance | 05:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: ATO approves $3.8bn in withdrawals for early access to super – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:47 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US states start to reopen as detained Wuhan journalist reappears: World has ‘a long way to go’, warns WHO chief; Singapore cases pass 10,000; first case among Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/e9im5s | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +98 cases (now 849092) since an hour ago — California, US: +98 cases (now 37700) since an hour ago — India: +80 cases (now 21450) since an hour ago | 06:06 |
| LjL | why the fuck is it posting this | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: ATO approves $3.8bn in withdrawals for early access to super – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 06:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:20 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US states start to reopen as detained Wuhan journalist reappears: World has ‘a long way to go’, warns WHO chief; Singapore cases pass 10,000; first case among Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/e9im5s | 06:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: ATO approves $3.8bn in withdrawals for early access to super – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 06:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Thailand's foreign tourist arrivals dip; South Korea's economy contracts → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 07:00 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ‘Beyond disturbed’: Parts of US panic as states reopen despite soaring coronavirus death toll (10001 votes) | https://redd.it/g614ia | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:13 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US states start to reopen as detained Wuhan journalist reappears: World has ‘a long way to go’, warns WHO chief; Singapore cases pass 10,000; first case among Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/e9im5s | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:27 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: ATO approves $3.8bn in withdrawals for early access to super – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 07:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: fourth person dies at Newmarch House aged care home – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 07:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Thailand's foreign tourist arrivals dip; South Korea's economy contracts → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 07:58 |
| ynjhof[m] | %data maldives | 08:16 |
| Brainstorm | ynjhof[m]: In all areas, Maldives, there are 86 cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 4139 tests were performed (2.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Maldives for time series data. | 08:16 |
| ynjhof[m] | Idk, this is the same amount of tests as (?four) days ago but the confirmed cases is greater by 10 | 08:17 |
| ynjhof[m] | I checked by searching the chat for maldives | 08:18 |
| tinwhiskers | ynjhof[m]: some locations publish test numbers on a different schedule to confirmed cases and deaths. For example, if you look at the tests graph here: https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=germany;spain | 08:19 |
| ynjhof[m] | Ah yeah ok | 08:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:18 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: fourth person dies at Newmarch House aged care home – latest news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Credit Suisse prepares for loan losses; South Korean economy contracts: Credit Suisse sets aside 568 million Swiss francs ($584.9 million) for potential loan losses, mainly as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and warned it expected "COVID-19-related uncertainty to persist." → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 08:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:35 UTC: Coronavirus: UK plans to test 300,000 for immunity: Results from the study will be vital for planning an exit strategy from the Covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/Ogzyt6 | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:48 UTC: ‘Too soon’: Trump disagrees with Georgia governor’s decision to reopen businesses: The president also announced an order restricting immigration and downplayed the possibility of Covid-19 returning in fall → https://is.gd/WVFn2Z | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:55 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Credit Suisse prepares for loan losses; South Korean economy contracts: Credit Suisse sets aside 568 million Swiss francs ($584.9 million) for potential loan losses, mainly as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and warned it expected "COVID-19-related uncertainty to persist." → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 09:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:07 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live news: government scientists expected to recommend against the public wearing medical face masks → https://is.gd/yVEKUR | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:23 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Credit Suisse prepares for loan losses; South Korean economy contracts: Credit Suisse sets aside 568 million Swiss francs ($584.9 million) for potential loan losses, mainly as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and warned it expected "COVID-19-related uncertainty to persist." → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 09:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Singapore: +1037 cases (now 11178) since 5 hours ago — Bavaria, Germany: +581 cases (now 39395), +52 deaths (now 1476) since 5 hours ago — Ukraine: +578 cases (now 7170) since 5 hours ago | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live news: government scientists expected to recommend against public wearing medical face masks → https://is.gd/yVEKUR | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +4774 cases (now 62773) since 5 hours ago — Slovakia: +81 cases (now 1325) since 5 hours ago | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:50 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Credit Suisse prepares for loan losses; Singapore preliminarily adds 1,037 cases: Credit Suisse sets aside 568 million Swiss francs ($584.9 million) for potential loan losses, mainly as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and warned it expected "COVID-19-related uncertainty to persist." → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 09:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via → https://is.gd/8iWorl | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/SkEFSd | 10:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:19 UTC: Abu Dhabi and Dubai prepare to reopen malls, announcing guidelines for easing some lockdown measures as Ramadan begins: The exact dates and timing of reopenings have yet to be announced, but are highly anticipated by business owners hit hard by the lockdowns aimed at curbing the spread of the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/Viooyj | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Statistica → https://is.gd/spqpnE | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:32 UTC: Abu Dhabi and Dubai prepare to reopen malls, announcing guidelines for easing some lockdown measures as Ramadan begins: The exact dates and timing of reopenings have yet to be announced, but are highly anticipated by business owners hit hard by the lockdowns aimed at curbing the spread of the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/Viooyj | 10:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:43 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Merkel: "Pronti a maggiori contributi Ue in spirito di solidarietà contro la pandemia" - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/7VfuFI | 10:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:44 UTC: Merkel says 'things will remain hard for a very long time' as pandemic is not over: German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said the end of the coronavirus pandemic is not yet in sight and that we will have to live with the virus "for a long time." → https://is.gd/4QNkg5 | 10:52 |
| mefistofeles | inded, until a good treatment or vaccine is found | 10:54 |
| mefistofeles | at least | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:51 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live news: government scientists expected to recommend against public wearing medical face masks → https://is.gd/yVEKUR | 10:59 |
| Biep[m] | LjL: Is it still on purpose that the case ticker doesn't show world figures? | 11:04 |
| Biep[m] | %cases world | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | Biep[m]: In all areas, worldwide, there are 2.6 million cases (0.0% of the population) and 184490 deaths (7.0% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 23.6 million tests were performed (11.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=worldwide for time series data. | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cina → https://is.gd/esbJjJ | 11:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US states start to reopen as world set for ‘unprecedented’ recession → https://is.gd/e9im5s | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/2kFfKi | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:44 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Vietnam → https://is.gd/0V5ZEe | 11:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +4635 cases (now 213024), +440 deaths (now 22157) since 7 hours ago — Belgium: +908 cases (now 42797), +228 deaths (now 6490) since 7 hours ago — Bangladesh: +414 cases (now 4186) since 7 hours ago | 11:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Study to track infection and immunity levels → https://is.gd/tFq3JI | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live news: government scientists expected to recommend against public wearing medical face masks → https://is.gd/yVEKUR | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:33 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Credit Suisse prepares for loan losses; Singapore preliminarily adds 1,037 cases: Credit Suisse sets aside 568 million Swiss francs ($584.9 million) for potential loan losses, mainly as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and warned it expected "COVID-19-related uncertainty to persist." → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Madrid, Spain: +1288 cases (now 60487), +107 deaths (now 7684) since 8 hours ago — Catalonia, Spain: +1090 cases (now 44892), +96 deaths (now 4343) since 8 hours ago — Qatar: +623 cases (now 7764) since 8 hours ago | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:42 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death toll steady; Australia pushes for pandemic investigation: Australia will push for an international investigation into the coronavirus pandemic at next month's annual meeting of the World Health Assembly; Spain's daily death toll stubbornly high but steady. → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +1030 cases (now 87026), +90 deaths (now 5481) since 8 hours ago | 12:54 |
| yuriwho | Merkel is the only politician I can think of with a science Ph.D. | 12:55 |
| AimHere | The last two emperors of Japan before the current one were peer-reviewed marine biologists, though I don't know if they were awarded university degrees. Also the Unabomber was a political figure, of sorts! | 13:04 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Casino workers union calls Las Vegas mayor's push to reopen "outrageous" (10204 votes) | https://redd.it/g6dtbq | 13:04 |
| yuriwho | lol, I was in a lab that was judged to be a unabomber target, we were not allowed to open our own mail | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Germania → https://is.gd/WHKN7m | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:10 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China will give WHO more money; Spain's daily death toll steady: Australia will push for an international investigation into the coronavirus pandemic at next month's annual meeting of the World Health Assembly; Spain's daily death toll stubbornly high but steady. → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Moscow City, Russia: +1959 cases (now 33940) since 9 hours ago — St Petersburg City, Russia: +191 cases (now 2458) since 9 hours ago — Brazil: +166 cases (now 46348) since 8 hours ago | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:12 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update latest: CEO Raelene Castle resigns from Rugby Australia – live news → https://is.gd/2pKPCJ | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:38 UTC: China will give WHO more money; Spain's daily death toll steady: Australia will push for an international investigation into the coronavirus pandemic at next month's annual meeting of the World Health Assembly; Spain's daily death toll stubbornly high but steady. → https://is.gd/s3HVaB | 13:42 |
| mefistofeles | quiet day eh? | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:40 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Thursday: Dow futures point to a lower open on Thursday ahead of what's expected to be another 4.3 million coronavirus-driven filings for first-time jobless claims. → https://is.gd/BsHtF8 | 13:49 |
| mefistofeles | how many jobless claims in US now? | 13:49 |
| mefistofeles | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/21/watching-for-mutations-in-the-coronavirus worth reading | 13:59 |
| mefistofeles | I wonder if the big mutation site in the S protein is in the RBD, probably not... | 14:00 |
| mefistofeles | but one could make MD simulations with the mutations to see some effects | 14:01 |
| mefistofeles | oh, actually it is in the RBD, it's said there explicitely :) | 14:01 |
| mefistofeles | interesting | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tyson shutters pork plants, South Korea to distribute cash → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 14:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:07 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Thursday: Dow futures point to a lower open on Thursday ahead of what's expected to be another 4.3 million coronavirus-driven filings for first-time jobless claims. → https://is.gd/BsHtF8 | 14:10 |
| python476 | o/ | 14:14 |
| mefistofeles | hey python476 | 14:14 |
| yuriwho | mefistofeles: derek is an unfiltered objective scientist, one of my go to sources | 14:14 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: yes, been following him for some time now, he's great | 14:15 |
| yuriwho | I've red his blog every week for ~8 years | 14:15 |
| yuriwho | read | 14:15 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: but I don't understand why the RBD needs to be mutating that much... | 14:16 |
| mefistofeles | oh I see now "RBD mutations from circulating SARS-CoV-2 strains enhance the structure stability and infectivity of the spike protein" | 14:16 |
| yuriwho | it changes to avoid the antibodies and still bind the ACE-2 receptor | 14:17 |
| mefistofeles | I see | 14:17 |
| yuriwho | mutates to enhance the number of viruses (infectivity) reduce mortality (more virus) and under immune or drug that targets viral components as selective evolutionary pressures | 14:19 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: but can we agree that this biased by the fact that we are sequencing succesful infections? | 14:21 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, it's not as if the virus "knows" what's good to enhance this things, of course | 14:21 |
| yuriwho | it evolves | 14:21 |
| mefistofeles | yes, and presumable the failed mutations (that do happen) are dying, I guess | 14:22 |
| yuriwho | the sequence is expected to vary and optimize over many generations | 14:22 |
| yuriwho | being new this virus will adapt | 14:22 |
| mefistofeles | yes, what I mean is that if we were able to get a snapshot of all the strains in this very moment, many of them would mutate to something that doesn't optimize or enhance these things, right? | 14:23 |
| mefistofeles | but those will die quickly, I'd guess | 14:23 |
| yuriwho | yes | 14:23 |
| yuriwho | yes | 14:23 |
| mefistofeles | ok, just to be clear on that :) | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 12:22 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Coronavirus, Di Matteo: “Boss scarcerati? Segnale tremendo, lo Stato sembra cedere al ricatto delle rivolte orchestrate dalle mafie. Non dimentichiamo la trattativa” → https://is.gd/OIafZp | 14:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci: Best way to reopen economy is to avoid a rebound of virus (10034 votes) | https://redd.it/g6c4i8 | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:29 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Thursday: Dow futures point to a lower open on Thursday ahead of what's expected to be another 4.3 million coronavirus-driven filings for first-time jobless claims. → https://is.gd/BsHtF8 | 14:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Economia → https://is.gd/nW9Wx1 | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor market data shows continued collapse, US hot spots span the East Coast → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 14:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +1676 cases (now 84474) since 10 hours ago — New York, US: +1024 cases (now 263292) since 10 hours ago — Stockholm, Sweden: +280 cases (now 6681), +58 deaths (now 1128) since 10 hours ago | 14:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 13:00 UTC: Health: CRISPR Gene Editing May Help Scale Up Coronavirus Testing → https://is.gd/TvSuGF | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +9417 cases (now 849092), +1101 deaths (now 47684) since 13 hours ago — Russia: +4774 cases (now 62773) since 13 hours ago — Spain: +4635 cases (now 213024), +440 deaths (now 22157) since 13 hours ago | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:08 UTC: Coronavirus UK live: Scotland reveals lockdown exit plan but warns normal life won't return yet: Scotland may in future cycle in and out of strict lockdown as death toll rises by 58; UK ministers under pressure to offer ‘hope’ about return to normality; public expected to be asked to wear a scarf or face covering → https://is.gd/yVEKUR | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor market data shows continued collapse, US hot spots span the East Coast → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Economia → https://is.gd/0yFAHt | 15:29 |
| nihilist_223374 | aloha | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor market data shows continued collapse, US hot spots span the East Coast → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 15:41 |
| txbubba | howdy | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:43 UTC: Vet telehealth surges as first US pets test positive for coronavirus: Veterinarians are moving to telehealth to reduce spread of coronavirus in pets. The first positive cases in U.S. pets — two cats — were just confirmed, along with five tigers and three lions at the Bronx Zoo in New York. → https://is.gd/P4eQH2 | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor market data shows continued collapse, US hot spots span the East Coast → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 15:56 |
| Biep[m] | This would be the perfect time for the US and the EU in concert to recognise Taiwan (without stopping recognising the PRC), in thanks for all that it does. Probably other countries will join, and what can China do? | 15:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +4583 cases (now 138078), +638 deaths (now 18738) since 12 hours ago — Belarus: +741 cases (now 8022) since 12 hours ago — Germany: +249 cases (now 151022) since an hour ago | 16:05 |
| blkshp | You should do a 24 hour online poll about whether masks are a good idea. | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 14:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Study to track infection and immunity levels → https://is.gd/tFq3JI | 16:14 |
| mefistofeles | blkshp: why a poll? What's the idea behind that? | 16:18 |
| blkshp | Thought it may be useful or a discussion point. I know Germany has now said they're mandarory as of Monday, there are other considerations that wearing a mask provides no protection and encourages people to touch their faces. | 16:19 |
| LjL | i have a better idea | 16:21 |
| LjL | since people rushed to make studies to show that masks were a decent idea | 16:21 |
| LjL | perhaps other people should make other studies showing that they aren't | 16:21 |
| LjL | just a thought | 16:21 |
| blkshp | Well experts disagree | 16:22 |
| LjL | too bad | 16:23 |
| blkshp | So you're not on the fence then xD | 16:23 |
| LjL | i don't understand why there's demands of "source?!" insisting that the source must be a primary source such as a paper, ideally peer-reviewed even though those basically don't exist anymore | 16:24 |
| LjL | except when there are some "experts" saying something | 16:24 |
| LjL | then it's just fine | 16:24 |
| LjL | even if they pulled out of their ass or it's information they got from the WHO three months ago and somehow still consider it relevant | 16:24 |
| blkshp | Sorry, im confused as to your point now! | 16:24 |
| gildarts | Taking a poll of who? Experts or just general people. | 16:26 |
| blkshp | the people in the channel | 16:26 |
| blkshp | Bit of fun that's all | 16:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor market data show continued collapse, US hot spots span the East Coast → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 16:28 |
| oxalis | So, it looks like felines can definitely get coronavirus --- is there any credible evidence about canines? | 16:31 |
| oxalis | last I checked in about 2 weeks ago, the answer was "no" | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1022 cases (now 850116), +53 deaths (now 47737) since 34 minutes ago — Virginia, US: +732 cases (now 10998) since 12 hours ago — District of Columbia, US: +155 cases (now 3361) since 12 hours ago | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New home sales plunge in March; Expedia is raising billions as travel stalls → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 16:43 |
| ubLIX | blkshp: are you aware of any well-powered epidemiological study indicating that universal mask wearing actually has no effect or worsens epidemics? | 16:50 |
| ubLIX | the null-hypothesis is "don't be stupid" | 16:50 |
| blkshp | You have to keep touching your face thereby increasing risk of infection. | 16:52 |
| blkshp | or are encouraged to touch face more. | 16:52 |
| ubLIX | and the epidemiological impact of that is? | 16:52 |
| blkshp | Dumb down your question | 16:53 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-half-of-european-deaths-were-in-nursing-homes/a-53213299 woah | 16:53 |
| genera | does facepalm count as touching the face? | 16:54 |
| blkshp | I don't find my comments worth of facepalm, if governments haven't yet come to a decision then i am not feeling stupid for also not jumping to the conclusion that it's automatically great. | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: Italy spiking again? any comments on that? | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | or a testing policy change? | 16:55 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, spiking since when? today's data shouldn't be out yet | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | last couple of days | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | actually last 2 days, basically | 16:56 |
| blkshp | I am not an unintelligent person, I'm not sure what "What's the epidemiological impact" could mean other than what i have already said of "touching your face leads to further infection" so genera, if you're facepalming me, i would like justification as to why. | 16:56 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, it's been jittering back and forth methinks. i wouldn't call it spiking, but i wouldn't proclaim victory as we're sometimes doing either | 16:56 |
| LjL | https://gizmodo.com/police-deploy-pandemic-drone-to-detect-fevers-and-enfor-1843017443 | 16:56 |
| mefistofeles | spain also stopped slowing it down apparently :P | 16:56 |
| genera | no i wondered about the not touching the face dictate | 16:57 |
| lf94 | question: who has not left their place in weeks | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Vaccino → https://is.gd/6HvfTu | 16:57 |
| lf94 | question 2: is anyone getting exercise | 16:57 |
| blkshp | Then i apologise for mistargetting you but i appeared to be being mocked. | 16:57 |
| LjL | well, to be fair everybody who mentions it publicly is quick to say we CANNOT "proclaim victory" yet, but that's just so they can insist that all the social distancing etc is still required... but meanwhile, the country will start reopening on May 4 without anyone knowing what the plan for that is | 16:57 |
| LjL | but the government is showing optimism, mainly due to the reduction in hospitalized and ICU cases | 16:57 |
| LjL | but you know what's something that takes patients away from those places too? death! | 16:58 |
| lf94 | May 4 nothing will happen | 16:58 |
| lf94 | I bet on it | 16:58 |
| LjL | they can't not reopen some factories etc on May 4. company owners have been promised that too specifically. | 16:58 |
| lf94 | What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? | 16:59 |
| lf94 | You find out which is true. :) | 17:00 |
| genera | hrhr | 17:00 |
| LjL | what is the unmovable object here? the government? | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 14:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Study to track infection and immunity levels → https://is.gd/tFq3JI | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1206 cases (now 851322), +63 deaths (now 47800) since 32 minutes ago — Maryland, US: +962 cases (now 15737) since 13 hours ago — Canada: +634 cases (now 40824), +54 deaths (now 2028) since 13 hours ago | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New home sales plunge in March; Expedia is raising billions as travel stalls → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 17:11 |
| lf94 | LjL: you get to pick | 17:11 |
| lf94 | :p | 17:11 |
| lf94 | Same question as earlier: has anyone been out or getting exercise in the past week? | 17:12 |
| lf94 | I'm about to go outside for the first time in a week. | 17:12 |
| LjL | i probably went to the pharmacy | 17:12 |
| LjL | that's about it | 17:12 |
| dzho | I'm in a locale where I can keep my distance when I go out to walk so yes. | 17:13 |
| dzho | it's also legal to do so here, contingent on distance | 17:13 |
| lf94 | I just dont want to feel alone in this level of isolation | 17:14 |
| lf94 | I want to know I'm not getting fat alone | 17:14 |
| lf94 | B) | 17:14 |
| LjL | well i'm not getting fatter | 17:15 |
| lf94 | Used to go to the gym 5/7 days a week for over a year | 17:15 |
| lf94 | Since isolation on Mar 15, I've been out maybe 4-5 times | 17:15 |
| lf94 | I do feel though I've been eating way less | 17:15 |
| lf94 | I wake up and don't eat until 3pm | 17:16 |
| LjL | that seems natural | 17:16 |
| LjL | unless you have an eating disorder, the body will adjust at least to some extent to varying levels of exercise | 17:16 |
| lf94 | Before I'd eat a massive bowl of cereal, followed by lunch, workout then supper and then snack at night | 17:16 |
| LjL | you won't feel the same urge to eat if you are spending much less energy | 17:17 |
| dzho | then again stress can be a trigger for disordered eating regardless of that. | 17:18 |
| dzho | but I don't know anyone who'd be stressed right now :P | 17:18 |
| lf94 | Yeah I'm definitely not stressed | 17:19 |
| lf94 | I gotta start forcing myself awake at 8 so I can do some morning exercises | 17:19 |
| LjL | dzho, can be, but doesn't have to, it could result in the opposite too... anyway i did say "unless you have an eating disorder" | 17:21 |
| dzho | oh so you did yeah | 17:22 |
| LjL | felt like about to sneeze for like half an hour, finally did. and i'm pretty sure it's the sun's fault | 17:26 |
| LjL | best to just stay in darkness | 17:26 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: In New York’s largest hospital system, 88 percent of coronavirus patients on ventilators didn’t make it (10044 votes) | https://redd.it/g6ednc | 17:29 |
| ubLIX | i think these authors sound an appropriately cautionary note: | 17:30 |
| ubLIX | %t https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7151430/ | 17:30 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2: the world should face the reality | 17:30 |
| ubLIX | that Germany has made a shift to mandatory face coverings seems to signal a like mind | 17:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Europa → https://is.gd/HpN6fs | 17:32 |
| LjL | ubLIX, but some EXPERTS say otherwise! | 17:32 |
| ubLIX | i think 'let us have a poll!' is a short hop from shouting 'fire!' in a theatre | 17:34 |
| blkshp | And i think that's a fucking stupid thing to say. | 17:34 |
| LjL | > On numerous cruise ships where thousands of people onboard were infected, many of the infections occurred after the imposition of isolation that confined passengers for the majority of time to their cabins, and limited direct contact, and with hand hygiene carefully obeyed. Was it therefore the ventilation system that spread the airborne virus between the cabins one of the reasons for the infections? | 17:35 |
| LjL | wow, i actually said this, like, week ago. maybe i should be publishing preprints | 17:35 |
| ubLIX | you can think it elsewhere, too, blkshp | 17:35 |
| blkshp | You can think what you think wherever you like | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for England, United Kingdom: +3084 cases (now 102221), +514 deaths (now 16785) since 13 hours ago — US: +1109 cases (now 852431), +51 deaths (now 47851) since 32 minutes ago — Chile: +516 cases (now 11812) since 13 hours ago | 17:36 |
| blkshp | It seems that if people don't agree with you you attack them and so therefore that person is not worth considering. | 17:36 |
| ubLIX | i hope i only attack ideas | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Elizabeth Warren's brother dies from Covid-19; malaria deaths could double → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 17:39 |
| LjL | ubLIX, if airborne spread is real, the slowdowns in places like Italy and Spain, but i think there were slowdowns in many places at around the same time regardless of when they lock down, could be partly explained by the warm climate leading people to have more air circulation. however this would be different from a "seasonal effect" because when it gets *too* warm, then people will close all the windows again and start using A/C, so that could have a | 17:44 |
| LjL | rebound effect. of course, the same could happen if people go to work again on public transport where A/C is standard... | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:44 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Charles Ornstein su Twitter: "Continued slow and steady decline in cases and deaths in NY state, Cuomo says.… " → https://is.gd/euscFm | 17:46 |
| IndoAnon | LjL: it's real | 17:47 |
| LjL | IndoAnon, that doesn't really add anything to what we've said, tbh | 17:47 |
| LjL | yes, i believe it's real, yes, i made an inference based on that premise, yes, that premise was supported by an opinion paper that was posted | 17:48 |
| ubLIX | i'm still marvelling that all the supermarkets i see have automatic doors set to auto-close; wondering, if i ask, will it turn out that their ventilation systems are so effective that doors are a moot point | 17:49 |
| IndoAnon | https://archive.is/1SP4w https://archive.is/AOka6 https://archive.is/nr5GF | 17:50 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: slowdowns are also natural with time, regardless of other conditions, since just by exhausting agents/individuals will have an effect on it... and since it's believed that it was spreading much earliear than though withing the community then that effect is probably greater than previously thought, but still more information needed | 17:51 |
| ubLIX | interesting, IndoAnon | 17:52 |
| IndoAnon | it is... HK sewer pipe transmission is a clear example | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:49 UTC: (news): US airlines report their first losses in years as coronavirus devastates air travel demand → https://is.gd/ALnCx6 | 17:53 |
| ubLIX | "The general advice is to supply as much outside air as reasonably possible." | 17:55 |
| IndoAnon | 11-Feb: Virus spreads through pipes https://archive.is/dTtfj | 17:56 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, of course the one i gave is far from the only possible explanation, but i'm just saying it's a concern if there is airborne transmission and it is minimized during warm-but-not-hot weather | 17:56 |
| LjL | > Officials from the city’s Center for Health Protection said the decision to partially evacuate the building was made after the discovery of a unsealed bathroom pipe in the apartment of a newly confirmed patient | 18:00 |
| LjL | what is an "unsealed bathroom pipe" in this context? leaking sewer pipe? | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Elizabeth Warren's brother dies from Covid-19; malaria deaths could double → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 18:01 |
| LjL | also, i have read this article before, but to reiterate and/or in light of partially new information, like ubLIX's "plea" paper | 18:01 |
| LjL | > Mr. Chan denied that the recent cases were comparable to the 2003 outbreak because of the location of the pipes. In the earlier case, the pipes were outside the building and the SARS virus was spread through the air. | 18:01 |
| LjL | why is there insistence on "denying" things that are true of SARS-CoV-1 and just weren't fully shown yet with SARS-CoV-2? | 18:02 |
| LjL | are the viruses known to be substantially different so that their routes of transmissions would be substantially different? if so, why the naming? | 18:02 |
| lf94 | You think it's the same one? | 18:04 |
| lf94 | -2 could just mean "outbreak 2" | 18:04 |
| LjL | it's not the same one | 18:06 |
| LjL | and it doesn't | 18:06 |
| LjL | but also | 18:06 |
| LjL | conference starting | 18:06 |
| lf94 | ok | 18:06 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) Thanks to blah blah | 18:06 |
| LjL | Today's numbers are particularly comforting. | 18:06 |
| LjL | For the first time the number of recoveries is higher than the number of new cases. | 18:06 |
| LjL | Total cases: 189973, +2646 | 18:06 |
| LjL | Recoveries: 57576, +3033 | 18:07 |
| LjL | Current positives: 106848, -851 | 18:07 |
| LjL | 2267 are in ICU, -117; 22871 are hospitalized with symptoms, -934 | 18:07 |
| LjL | Most patients are self-isolating: 81710 (76%) | 18:07 |
| LjL | +464 deaths | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:05 UTC: (news): New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/52bvuB | 18:08 |
| LjL | In the table we provide to the press and upload to our site we now include data on the people who were tested. | 18:08 |
| LjL | In total, 1579909 tests performed, +66568. | 18:08 |
| LjL | We have 130 million euro in donations, 71 million of which were spent as of today for purchasing PPE and ventilators. | 18:09 |
| LjL | There are 17250 volunteers working with us today. | 18:09 |
| LjL | Pre-triage tents are 885 in total. | 18:10 |
| LjL | [Numbers about the "calls" for task forces] | 18:11 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) Thank you Dr Borrelli and good evening from me as well. As always, a thought about the numbers: there are three points that I think deserve reflecting on. | 18:12 |
| LjL | Since April 5, with the exception of one day, we've had a reduction in the number of hospitalized patients, and since April 3, we've had a constant reduction in ICUs. | 18:12 |
| LjL | We have an R that is now between 0.5 and 0.7. Last time I was here, if you remember, I said it was 0.8, which confirms a reduction. | 18:14 |
| pyna | wtf this lunatic wants states to declare bankruptcy. why the hell are these people that hate government so much allowed to be anywhere near one | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: AGGIORNAMENTO 23/04/2020 ORE 17.00 POSITIVI AL nCov Regione i 4 o Totale Ricoverati | Terapia | Isolamento con sintomi| intensiva | domicitiare | *tuimente positivi Lombardia 9.192 790 23.891 33.873 Emilia Romagna 2.889, 266 9.690 12.845 Piemonte 3.039 261 11.852 15.152 Veneto 1.189 140 8.596 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5Qybax | 18:15 |
| LjL | As to clinical studies, AIFA has evaluated 114, 26 of which have been approved, and 13 activated. This documents the extraordinary work they did. | 18:15 |
| LjL | It was a rigorous approach, as 51 proposals were actually rejected, so even during emergencies it's possible to have both efficient evaluation and rigor. | 18:16 |
| LjL | The same rigor is used to allocate drugs to hospital to best manage the patients. Clearly, it's easier now compared to the times of most pressure, but their work should be acknowledged. | 18:16 |
| LjL | There is what I call a virtuous competition for an effective vaccine. Today we have evidence of 2 potential vaccines in the US, one in England, one in Germany and one in China being in an advanced stage of development, although it must be said clearly that "advanced" doesn't mean they'll be commercialized shortly. | 18:17 |
| LjL | We have no evidence of how lasting immunity will be on people who are vaccined. In some scenarios, immunological protection against the proteins the virus needs may be limited in time, which implies needing to consider strategies of re-vaccination until we reach full elimination of this epidemic. | 18:19 |
| LjL | It will be months before we can consider commercialization of these vaccines, and we will need full scientific cooperation when considering duration of immunization. | 18:20 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) Your questions now. | 18:20 |
| LjL | Q: Since in "phase 2" we'll still need social distancing, and serology tests will be only used to "map" the epidemic, and they are not 100% effective... would you still recommend testing citizens as widely as possible during "phase 2", or would you not for the reasons mentioned, also considering they cost about €100? | 18:22 |
| LjL | And I'm a bit curious: is it true that one of the issues with "re-opening" football is that the ball itself may be a vector? | 18:22 |
| LjL | [?!] | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:20 UTC: (news): US airlines are losing money for the first time in years as coronavirus ends travel boom → https://is.gd/ALnCx6 | 18:22 |
| dzho | asking the important questions | 18:22 |
| l0ndoner | wtf a ball? | 18:22 |
| LjL | A: As to the second question, that is easy: I don't think that can represent a vector for infection of the people involved. | 18:23 |
| LjL | As to the important question your asked about tests: a first consideration is that serology tests must be identified and validated, which is what the Commission nominated by Commissioner Arcuri will be doing in the coming hours; secondly, people who turn out to have antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 have come into contact with the virus, but whether or not they are infectious must be determined using the swab test to find viral RNA. | 18:24 |
| LjL | Third thing, which goes back to what I said on vaccines: if there are antibodies against the viral proteins that doesn't necessarily mean there is protective immunity, as they could be non-neutralizing antibodies, but most importantly, we don't know how long they stay around for. So someone who is positive tomorrow may not stay positive in September. Only analyses on the seroprevalence study that will be done on our population will give us this type of | 18:26 |
| LjL | information. | 18:26 |
| l0ndoner | LjL: serious uestion after the minutes do you trust these tests? | 18:26 |
| LjL | So let's start validating some tests, and then go on from there, and evaluate whether and how to conduct these analyses. | 18:26 |
| l0ndoner | question* | 18:26 |
| LjL | l0ndoner, i'm sure there are many kinds of tests, some of which suck | 18:26 |
| LjL | Q: When do you think the serology tests will be done, before or after May 4? I think the timing matters here. And as to masks, the pharmacies are requesting to have a government-fixed price. Don't you think that before relaxing the lockdownm, the price of masks should be mandated? | 18:27 |
| LjL | A: Thank you for the very specific questions you always ask. I hope the answers can be useful to the public. The seroprevalence study will not start or end in a timeframe that can allow using it to decide the initial choices of "phase 2". Those have been substantially considered, and the connected guidelines suggested, based on the epidemiological data and work profiles (considering proximity and level gathering) with the goal of finding production sectors | 18:29 |
| LjL | whose re-opening would let us to predict the R will stay below 1 as appropriate, so as to avoid re-creating a pressure on hospitals and ICU. | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:25 UTC: (news): New York City's top health official says confirmed coronavirus cases are 'tip of the iceberg' → https://is.gd/etXAsr | 18:30 |
| LjL | [Additional considerations] | 18:30 |
| LjL | We expect that around 15% of the workers in the sectors we are considering re-opening use public transport, and that is part of our evaluation. | 18:31 |
| l0ndoner | Obesity a risk factor along with ethnicity | 18:31 |
| LjL | The process must be gradual, with the contribution or rather pre-requisite of contact tracing and quick spotting of emerging clusters. | 18:31 |
| LjL | Choices have been formulated on this large set of parameters, for the institutions to eventually decide. | 18:32 |
| mefistofeles | hydroxychloroquine is becoming less and less of an option | 18:33 |
| mefistofeles | apparently | 18:33 |
| LjL | The choice of recommending that school remain closed was dictated by the fact our models predicted that re-opening of schools at the same time as restarting production activities would result in getting R above 1, and not even just by a small amount. | 18:33 |
| LjL | yuriwho, ↑ | 18:33 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) On the price of masks, we know they're a precious good now, and in markets, when offer is limited but request skyrockets, the price goes up. So it's inevitable that we must determine a maximum threshold for their price, to avoid speculation on it. | 18:34 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) As a citizen, I'll add that speculation of that sort is absolutely despicable. | 18:34 |
| l0ndoner | check, track and trace working in Italy? | 18:35 |
| LjL | Q: Is there statistics by class and job type on which people have been infected with COVID? | 18:35 |
| l0ndoner | test track and trace | 18:35 |
| LjL | A: Thanks for the very interesting question which gives me the chance to state that this kind of evaluation is not available at the moment... they are available for healthcare workers for now. Once they are available they will be able to complement my prior answer. | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +2646 cases (now 189973), +464 deaths (now 25549) since 14 hours ago — US: +2265 cases (now 854696), +561 deaths (now 48412) since an hour ago — Indiana, US: +601 cases (now 13039) since 3 hours ago | 18:36 |
| LjL | Q: According to ISTAT data, between February 22 and April 4 there were about 7000 deaths in Lombardy in addition to the ones reported by the Civil Protection. Why are estimates so different? Where did these additional people die? And then a question many citizens ask: what is the scientific committee envisioning for movement across regions, especially where contagion is low? | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 16:35 UTC: Aggiornamento 23/04: submitted by /u/maikk_ to r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA → https://is.gd/iECk8W | 18:37 |
| LjL | A: (Borrelli) The data point on deaths that we provide only includes those who tested positive. Clearly, in ISTAT's data there are also people who died without having tested positive. | 18:37 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) As the PM said, the date of May 4 is not an "everybody free to go" again; it must be gradual, there will be a relaxing of restriction on intra-regional movement, not inter-regional movement, with of course some exceptions for people who live in a region but work in another one. | 18:38 |
| LjL | Q: The first COVID patients in Italy were hospitalized on 28 January, but they only completed their rehabilitation now. So in the more severe cases, what are we looking at in terms of rehabilitation? | 18:39 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.who.int/blueprint/priority-diseases/key-action/novel-coronavirus-landscape-ncov.pdf list of vaccines efforts and states for covid-19 | 18:40 |
| LjL | A: (Locatelli) I always tend to thank for questions, but I'm thanking you doubly as much for this one, as this gives me the chance to congratulate the workers at Spallanzani hospital, where they did an incredible job with those two Chinese tourists who were actually part of a vulnerable age group. Despite that, they eventually recovered successfully. | 18:40 |
| mefistofeles | apparently only one is on Phase II which is the CanSino's one, from China as expected | 18:40 |
| LjL | But the second thought, the more important one, is that analysis of outcomes in terms of organ functionality is crucial, and there will have to be studies and prospective evaluations to understand what the outcomes (or, hopefully, lack of outcome or marginal outcomes) on the most affected organs. | 18:41 |
| LjL | Any evaluation on respiratory function, using spirometry or image diagnostics, will be crucial, but the same goes for people who had cardiac damage during their acute phase. It's all important information that we must obtain. | 18:41 |
| LjL | I just cited the Spallanzani hospital and I'll cite it again due to news that was recently on newspapers: SARS-CoV-2 has been identified in tears and in the conjunctiva. This helps us define the profile of virus clearing in various biological sections, and it can also provide useful information for ophthalmologists, who will need to protect themselves. | 18:43 |
| LjL | contingo, ↑ | 18:43 |
| LjL | Q: One question about method: I think the whole country is waiting to know what "phase 2" will entail... Corriere della Sera journalists were able to read 17 slides that the Task Force showed to the PM. Does the Task Force intend to communicate with us, or will we have to wait for the PM to speak? What about publishing the scientific reports? I'm afraid they will remain secret. | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:39 UTC: (news): New York City's top health official says confirmed coronavirus cases are 'tip of the iceberg' → https://is.gd/etXAsr | 18:44 |
| LjL | Also, as a researcher as well as a journalist, I suggested to the Head of Department that it might be worth adding profiles like a psychologist, a sociologist and a statistician to the scientific committee. The PM added those to the Task Force, but not the scientific committee. Also, just 4 were women, and I wonder what the reports say about that, but anyway, most of the components of these task force are economists. Isn't there a risk that we'll now only | 18:46 |
| LjL | consider the economic sector, while before we only considered the healthcare sector? | 18:46 |
| LjL | And last question: looking at the worst data in this emergency, on a total of almost 26000 deaths, 80% are in four regions: Lombardy, Emilia, Piedmont, Liguria, with 20000 deaths. So my question is, given we have regions like Sicily with only 200 deaths, did the task force think about the fact that re-opening should happen by geographical areas? | 18:46 |
| mefistofeles | interestingly enough, that Curevac thing that was exploding in media is not that further developed xD ... I mean, media... | 18:47 |
| LjL | A: (Borrelli) The spokesperson for the Task Force is Colao, but the task force must make proposals for the government, for the PM, and I think it's their duty to do that. Since we are still formulating hypotheses, I don't think it's right to divulge anything. | 18:47 |
| LjL | As to the makeup of the committee, I think it's well assorted: there are experts on psychology, and I want to remind you that the psychological aspect is central, the Ministry of Health itself thinks that, and very shortly there will be a center of psychological support with the cooperation of four volunteer organizations, and other experts that can provide psychological support to anyone. | 18:48 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) The scientific committee is still meeting on a daily basis and working hard to provide answers to questions we receive from the world of politics, and the government and the ministers in particular. | 18:50 |
| LjL | What you're saying about the task force's makeup is true, but there is a dialogue between the task force and the scientific committee, to complement their spheres of expertise. | 18:50 |
| LjL | Whether or not to extend measures or not is also evaluated while considering impact on children and elderly, and you will have scientific evidence, I believe, of this attention based on what the PM will decide for the future. | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: key workers and their families can get tests from Friday, Hancock says → https://is.gd/yVEKUR | 18:51 |
| LjL | But as to your question on divulging information: because we are bound to a promise of non-disclosure, we think divulging anything without going through the proper routes, like Dr Borrelli and the Minister of Health, any of that is not appropriate. | 18:52 |
| LjL | Q: Do you have any evidence of this study coming from France, according to which the virus would infect a bacterium called Prevotella, which is found in the intestines, and this would ignite inflammation to the lungs. | 18:53 |
| LjL | A: (Locatelli) I have no information on this particular study, but I can share something that my North American friends and colleagues have shared with us: before I was concerned with SARS-CoV-2, I was working mainly on stem cell transplants... my North American colleagues tell us that in a certain amount of their patients after bone marrow transplants, they had evidence of enhance graft-vs-host issues, which shows us that the inflammatory storm plays an | 18:54 |
| LjL | important role in physio-pathology. | 18:54 |
| LjL | As to the study you mention, the first thing I'd do is see if these bacteria have on their surface that receptor that is the one that can bind to SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins. | 18:55 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) Okay, if there are no more questions, thanks and have a good evening. | 18:55 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:55 |
| genera | google searches for Prevotella are to spike atm )) | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:55 UTC: (news): New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/52bvuB | 18:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Anthony Fauci: ‘We will have coronavirus in the fall’ (10073 votes) | https://redd.it/g6lktk | 18:59 |
| LjL | i am sort of interest in knowing from anyone who's seen multiple of my translations whether there are things that are consistently very unidiomatic in english. obviously there are some awkward ways that i use to make sentences work based on the word order i get sometimes, but there may also be things that i'm just not aware of. | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Elizabeth Warren's brother dies from Covid-19; malaria deaths could double → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 19:06 |
| pyna | my money in on forsythia and laetrile | 19:12 |
| bin_bash | how much | 19:12 |
| ubLIX | interesting effort to unravel implications of evolving changes in reporting-definition in China, "... seven versions of the case definition for COVID-19 were issued by the National Health Commission in China ... we estimated that by Feb 20, 2020, there would have been 232,000 (95% CI 161,000–359,000) confirmed cases in China as opposed to the 55,508 confirmed cases reported." | 19:21 |
| ubLIX | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(20)30089-X/fulltext | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +11409 cases (now 866105), +397 deaths (now 48809) since 47 minutes ago — New York, US: +6244 cases (now 268512) since 47 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +4124 cases (now 99989), +305 deaths (now 5368) since 4 hours ago | 19:21 |
| ubLIX | %t | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: From www.thelancet.com: Effect of changing case definitions for COVID-19 on the epidemic curve and transmission parameters in mainland China: a modelling study - The Lancet Public Health | 19:22 |
| LjL | 18<25Brainstorm18> New from r/WorldNews at 16:27 UTC: worldnews: Spain sends back faulty coronavirus tests made in China... which had been sent out to replace an earlier batch of faulty tests → https://is.gd/WSEtYB | 19:22 |
| LjL | i'm sorry though as that's the daily mail | 19:22 |
| LjL | but i was told this exact same thing yesterday by a spaniard | 19:23 |
| l0ndoner | Daily Fail should be banned | 19:24 |
| mefistofeles | ↑ | 19:24 |
| l0ndoner | have you an equivelant to daily fail? | 19:24 |
| l0ndoner | italy? | 19:25 |
| LjL | most likely, i dunno, i don't read actual papers. there are papers that are very far from my political mindset but i have no direct experience of how trashy any of them is | 19:25 |
| LjL | i don't read much of anything in italian in the first place | 19:25 |
| LjL | i listen to public TV every now and then, that's about it | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:23 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Data on Gilead's remdesivir show no benefit for coronavirus patients → https://is.gd/7l9O7A | 19:28 |
| LjL | ubLIX, before we do some ritual China bashing over that, i'd like to refer to the part of the press conference i transcribed which said "According to ISTAT data, between February 22 and April 4 there were about 7000 deaths in Lombardy in addition to the ones reported by the Civil Protection. Why are estimates so different?" | 19:28 |
| LjL | it also had a countrywide number that i missed | 19:28 |
| LjL | anyway we can look at offloop and see what the civil protection's number was on april 4... | 19:28 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 189973 cases (0.3% of the population) and 25549 deaths (13.4% of cases) as of 10 minutes ago. 1.6 million tests were performed (12.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:28 |
| LjL | about 8000 deaths on april 4, although that particular day if "flat" due to covidly.com glitches... but anyway, that would mean at that point, there were two "official" numbers that are one double the other | 19:30 |
| LjL | not as bad as that ratio in china, but still, the number we're always told is the civil protection one | 19:30 |
| LjL | but i guess the point of that study is to point out that "crazy" R0's like the 11(?) that was mentioned in some preprint, or perhaps even the one of 5, which are based on early data, may be seeing a faster growth rate than real because in part it was actually growing but in part the criteria were being broadened | 19:32 |
| ubLIX | the above linked ratio for China was for cases, not deaths | 19:33 |
| LjL | well fair enough | 19:33 |
| ubLIX | yes, i think the value of that modelling is as much to do with looking at R | 19:33 |
| ubLIX | i'm guessing your ISTAT takes a wider and more time-consuming view than the government's daily updates, much like our ONS | 19:33 |
| LjL | yes, but then it's a political choice to decide which number to "stress" | 19:34 |
| LjL | and then there are also the ISS numbers | 19:34 |
| LjL | which tend to be much smaller, instead | 19:35 |
| l0ndoner | Obesity a risk factor along with ethnicity | 19:35 |
| LjL | on deaths | 19:35 |
| LjL | yes you said that | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:29 UTC: New data on Gilead's remdesivir, released by accident, show no benefit for coronavirus patients. Company still sees reason for hope: The antiviral medicine remdesivir from Gilead Sciences failed to speed the improvement of patients with Covid-19 or prevent them from dying, according to results from a long-awaited [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8XBbTf | 19:35 |
| ubLIX | i wondered what you meant by ethnicity there, the first time you said that, l0ndoner | 19:35 |
| LjL | ugh, remdesivir was the only one considered to have some evidence of effectiveness in that review :\ | 19:35 |
| l0ndoner | test track and trace is this the same model each country follows or are individual countries following there own models? | 19:36 |
| LjL | i'd say much more the latter | 19:36 |
| LjL | regardless of what they state | 19:36 |
| LjL | who do you test? who you track? who do you trace? just about anything can be called "test track and trace" but then the specifics change | 19:36 |
| l0ndoner | ubLIX: I'm reering to how it effects the BAME communities more than any other .. Well here in UK any how .. But looking at other countries this bares out | 19:37 |
| LjL | like for instance you can trace some contacts and tell them to self-isolate, but without actually testing those, until they develop symptoms | 19:37 |
| l0ndoner | referring* | 19:37 |
| ubLIX | l0ndoner: that is ethnicity as proxy, more than ethnicity per se | 19:38 |
| LjL | yeah | 19:38 |
| LjL | i don't think we have any evidence, yet, of people's genetics per se playing any factor... the assumption is more that their socio-economic state tends to be different | 19:38 |
| LjL | doesn't mean there can't end up being evidence of it later, just i haven't seen it, it's hard to distinguish | 19:39 |
| ubLIX | there was that one thing about blood groups, but i haven't looked for follow up on that | 19:39 |
| l0ndoner | But if you look at the Black and Hispanic communities in America they are being hard hit not to dissimilar to Europe | 19:39 |
| ubLIX | l0ndoner: up for a long read (~3000 words)? this article fleshes out the proxy sense: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/04/inequality-and-the-coronavirus-destroying-american-society-from-the-top-down.html | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:39 UTC: (news): New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/52bvuB | 19:42 |
| l0ndoner | sure | 19:42 |
| minitrue | same reason minorities have more diabetes and HTN I'd venture to guess | 19:43 |
| minitrue | above 0 surprise | 19:43 |
| minitrue | s/about | 19:43 |
| Arsanerit | Everybody is part of minorities. | 19:44 |
| l0ndoner | <<---- Irish Minority but I think my family originates from Gaul | 19:45 |
| l0ndoner | I'm about ready to go watch BBC Big night in anyone have a VPN you can also log in and watch | 19:47 |
| l0ndoner | ubLIX: thankyou I have bookmarked and will read a bit later | 19:48 |
| Arsanerit | 3 commits in 4 seconds, impressive | 19:48 |
| LjL | as you may know, RSS is not a push protocol | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 17:47 UTC: ljl-covid: Actually fix Markdown error → https://is.gd/E3AWn1 | 19:49 |
| l0ndoner | bbl | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:48 UTC: (news): New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/52bvuB | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/KRv2QA | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +1653 cases (now 161530), +516 deaths (now 21856) since 5 hours ago — Canada: +967 cases (now 41791), +113 deaths (now 2141) since 3 hours ago — Germany: +90 cases (now 151285) since an hour ago | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:09 UTC: Gilead says draft of coronavirus treatment results contain 'inappropriate characterization' and are 'inconclusive': Gilead shares fell after a report said antiviral drug remdesivir did not improve Covid-19 patients' condition or reduce the virus' presence in the bloodstream in a phase 3 clinical trial. → https://is.gd/Pkmvfm | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +1664 cases (now 20914) since 16 hours ago | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Elizabeth Warren's brother dies from Covid-19, malaria deaths could double → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:31 UTC: Coronavirus: Essential workers in England to get tests: Employers and staff will be able to book coronavirus tests online, the health secretary says. → https://is.gd/uts7Jp | 20:40 |
| mefistofeles | %t https://www.apmreports.org/story/2020/04/23/covid-infected-attendee-ces-tech-conference interesting | 20:47 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.apmreports.org: A Covid-infected attendee emerges from CES, a massive tech conference in January | APM Reports | 20:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/kO7Mri | 20:48 |
| LjL | we *had* CES? | 20:48 |
| LjL | oh, January, okay... | 20:49 |
| LjL | well, not very okay, but whatever, most people were like "this is just China stuff" in January. i wasn't among most people but it's what it is. | 20:49 |
| LjL | pyna, this is why we love headlines | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Elizabeth Warren's brother dies from Covid-19, malaria deaths could double → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 20:55 |
| pyna | such a tragedy to lose someone that would have prevented so many deaths from malaria. RIP | 20:56 |
| iz | heh | 20:57 |
| LjL | this time for instance is one of those times when i don't know why Brainstorm posted it twice, as the headline didn't change at all | 20:58 |
| iz | let's play spot the difference | 21:00 |
| LjL | i literally just did | 21:00 |
| iz | heh, yeah, looks the same to me | 21:00 |
| LjL | i pasted them both into a terminal to make sure ;( | 21:00 |
| pyna | i find it strange that the brackets all point in one direction | 21:00 |
| LjL | hmm? | 21:00 |
| pyna | ]New] | 21:01 |
| LjL | in Brainstorm's messages? there should be no brackets there | 21:01 |
| LjL | but the "New from ..." is all in italics before the semicolon | 21:01 |
| LjL | so you might be seeing the characters that make it italics, instead of the actual italics | 21:02 |
| pyna | fair, fancy formatting that irssi doesn't approve of | 21:02 |
| LjL | it should though | 21:02 |
| pyna | could certainly be something in my dumb config | 21:02 |
| LjL | italics | 21:03 |
| LjL | works for me, even actually shows up in italics, i think last time i used irssi, there was no italics on the terminal and it just made it a slighly different color | 21:04 |
| LjL | don't quote me on that | 21:04 |
| LjL | bold also? | 21:04 |
| LjL | bold even? | 21:04 |
| pyna | yeah you gotta get pretty macgyver to get italics in terminal | 21:04 |
| LjL | well | 21:04 |
| pyna | bold is fine, but i get some control garbage for italics | 21:04 |
| pyna | 4tragedy | 21:05 |
| LjL | https://framapic.org/67fMKOM3gNqM/Q6K8B9iixUAC.png | 21:05 |
| pyna | 4oops | 21:05 |
| pyna | 3there we go | 21:05 |
| LjL | but different terminal, different irssi versions... i dunno | 21:05 |
| LjL | i have irssi 1.2.2 (20190829 0225) | 21:05 |
| lf94 | weechat > * | 21:06 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Elizabeth Warren’s oldest brother dies of coronavirus in Oklahoma (10198 votes) | https://redd.it/g6nneh | 21:06 |
| pyna | haha mine's way older :( | 21:06 |
| ljl-irssi | i didn't even have it installed, it's whatever comes in the latest Fedora, but i suspect the terminal emulator may be the culprit instead | 21:06 |
| pyna | yeah i used to have fun with this stuff in my youth, still do sometimes i guess | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: UK pauses again to applaud NHS and other key workers → https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/23/coronavirus-live-news-update-covid-19-face-masks | 21:09 |
| LjL | i guess aradesh's connection also paused for that | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Elizabeth Warren's brother dies from Covid-19, malaria deaths could double → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 21:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Do as you wish! | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2266 cases (now 868414), +221 deaths (now 49089) since an hour ago — Michigan, US: +1325 cases (now 35291), +164 deaths (now 2977) since 17 hours ago — Ireland: +936 cases (now 17607) since an hour ago | 21:22 |
| ytlyv8 | https://montrealgazette.com/news/immunity-passport-please-should-antibody-testing-be-the-ticket-out-of-lockdown/wcm/ea6c180c-7e5c-4c8a-b4f0-57e177f31be0/ | 21:26 |
| SeanBedlam[m] | One day we will be past this loss and suffering and we can truly begin to rebuild. 🕯I grieve for the years of death and global suffering. | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:32 UTC: Gilead says draft of coronavirus treatment results contains 'inappropriate characterization' and are 'inconclusive': Gilead shares fell after a report said antiviral drug remdesivir did not improve Covid-19 patients' condition or reduce the virus' presence in the bloodstream in a phase 3 clinical trial. → https://is.gd/Pkmvfm | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:42 UTC: Coronavirus: Essential workers in England to get tests: Employers and staff will be able to book coronavirus tests online, the health secretary says. → https://is.gd/uts7Jp | 21:46 |
| ytlyv8 | https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/canadas-first-covid-19-price-gouging-lawsuit-filed-in-windsor/wcm/b8a0e21f-5c2c-4baa-acf6-8da924297705/ | 21:46 |
| pyna | "In the same month that 22 million Americans lost their jobs, the American billionaire class's total wealth increased about 10%." | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1907 cases (now 870321), +128 deaths (now 49217) since 33 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +1826 cases (now 36934), +123 deaths (now 1688) since 17 hours ago — Germany: +452 cases (now 151784) since 33 minutes ago | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global lockdowns ease, EU pledges relief for ravaged nations → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +1242 cases (now 23039) since 7 hours ago — US: +424 cases (now 870745) since 18 minutes ago — Tennessee, US: +424 cases (now 8266) since 18 hours ago | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:04 UTC: California endures 'deadliest day' yet due to coronavirus, Gov. Gavin Newsom says: The number of hospitalizations and people in intensive care due to Covid-19 both dropped, California Gov. Gavin Newsom said. → https://is.gd/Ah3EBg | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California reports 'deadliest day' yet, global lockdowns ease → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 22:16 |
| mefistofeles | https://github.com/jcl5m1/ventilator/wiki/Material-Filter-Testing?fbclid=IwAR27qjYAF3aXZe7xJsuoR94Pu0Vv79gglIMrndtdddW45oK5tJkwn7fNltY more on filtering and materials | 22:25 |
| ytlyv8 | net flix 16 million new views | 22:27 |
| ytlyv8 | vewers | 22:27 |
| ytlyv8 | viewers | 22:28 |
| pyna | "Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison's official HHS biography says, he 'ran a small business in Texas.' The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles." | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +5411 cases (now 876156), +427 deaths (now 49648) since 34 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +3079 cases (now 46023), +178 deaths (now 2360) since 18 hours ago — Brazil: +2791 cases (now 49492), +373 deaths (now 3313) since 5 hours ago | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:40 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Laurie Garrett su Twitter: "166 passengers & crew boarded an Air China flight Monday from Moscow. By the time it landed in Shaanxi province, 28 of them had #COVID19 . Chinese citizens are desperate to get out of Russia, where the epidemic is raging. https://t.co/DcEYdk83as" → https://is.gd/Ykn4IP | 22:45 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-test-ny.html | 22:45 |
| mefistofeles | so yeah, this explains many things if confirmed.... but it's already consistent with similar studies from other places... and also consistent with the ~1% mortality that WHO was saying weeks (monts?) ago | 22:46 |
| mefistofeles | expected, but still refreshing to see these efforts paying off and not showing crazy results | 22:46 |
| mefistofeles | still, questions about actual immunity have yet to be tackled | 22:47 |
| mefistofeles | actually, I think that kinda means the actual peak of infection was hit much sooner also, like a couple of weeks maye | 22:50 |
| mefistofeles | that's also consisten with that R0 curve presented by Germany a couple of days ago | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 20:49 UTC: Coronavirus: Essential workers in England to get tests: Employers and staff will be able to book coronavirus tests online, the health secretary says. → https://is.gd/uts7Jp | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lima, Peru: +1086 cases (now 14300) since 18 hours ago — Callao, Peru: +120 cases (now 1536) since 18 hours ago — Bahrain: +119 cases (now 2217) since 7 hours ago | 22:52 |
| mefistofeles | now, makes me wonder... if actual herd immunity is achieved, what about the vaccines, hopefully this pharmaceuticals didn't put much on the line and they get by okay, if this happens | 22:53 |
| mefistofeles | still a big if, fwiw | 22:53 |
| livebrain | read it today on a local newspaper that the virus may affect the brain | 22:55 |
| mefistofeles | yes, this has been around for months, afaik | 22:55 |
| livebrain | some ppl are under supervision for loss of cognitive functions | 22:55 |
| mefistofeles | but the patients had previous conditions of brain injuries or illnesses, afaik | 22:56 |
| livebrain | some researchers are going to follow a set of ppl | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California reports 'deadliest day' yet, global lockdowns ease → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 23:00 |
| livebrain | to try and evaluate long term effects of the virus on the brain | 23:00 |
| livebrain | on what they feel are "healhty" ppl | 23:00 |
| livebrain | the other day some guy was asking money on the street and he coughed at ppl that denied him any money | 23:02 |
| ecov | not surprising | 23:03 |
| ecov | ive seen people yelled at for giving panhandlers food | 23:03 |
| ecov | instead of money | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:57 UTC: Watch live: Coronavirus task force holds briefing as latest relief package nears passage: Members of the coronavirus task force are expected to hold a press briefing Thursday as additional economic relief legislation nears passage. → https://is.gd/vXoRkJ | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:10 UTC: (news): US airlines are losing money for the first time in years as coronavirus ends travel boom → https://is.gd/ALnCx6 | 23:14 |
| LjL | i never undersood how airlines could *make* money lately | 23:16 |
| LjL | if you looked at some "green" websites purporting to calculate your energy usage, you'd see that just one airplane trip a year would represent like half of your yearly energy expense | 23:16 |
| LjL | how on earth can such an enormous amount of energy be offered for things like €50? | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:16 UTC: HHS official plans to file whistleblower complaint over coronavirus drug pressure related to Trump and ouster: Rick Bright claims he was dismissed from leading a federal agency dealing with the coronavirus outbreak after resisting pressure to expand the use of drugs promoted by President Donald Trump. → https://is.gd/9QE5M8 | 23:21 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: tax free fuel | 23:23 |
| Arsanerit | if airlines paid a carbon tax on their fuel similar to Swedens carbon tax, airline tickets would cost many times more | 23:24 |
| LjL | many times? what are these taxes, 900%? | 23:25 |
| Arsanerit | well, the relative increase would depend on the ticket price of course | 23:25 |
| Arsanerit | but it would mean no more €20 airplane tickets | 23:26 |
| LjL | supposedly, the Italian tracing app has "caved in" to Google's and Apple's requests as well as to further privacy demands https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilsole24ore.com%2Fart%2Fl-app-immuni-cambia-seguira-modello-decentralizzato-apple-e-google-ADcBF4L | 23:26 |
| Arsanerit | assuming €500/tonne, what would a plane ticket Rome - London cost in CO₂ taxes alone? https://economics.stackexchange.com/q/33308/332 | 23:27 |
| LjL | i think i should look up what these new BLE APIs are and why they are so badly needed to have an app at all | 23:27 |
| LjL | i guess as the article hints, they're probably badly needed mostly just on Apple | 23:27 |
| LjL | and on Android it's going to be something about having fine-grained signal strength, but, like, i think you *can* get bluetooth signal strength already | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | for some reason it's not actually translating for me | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | ah there we go | 23:28 |
| LjL | bin_bash, refresh or give it some seconds, it should translate but it's kinda heavy | 23:28 |
| bin_bash | it didnt fully load, that would do it | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California reports 'deadliest day' yet, global lockdowns ease → https://is.gd/HOjjL9 | 23:36 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, simple calculation tells me on a 737 with 120 seats, all filled, that flight might last 3 hours and the surcharge from such a tax would be around €40 per person | 23:36 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: I reached a bit more than that, closer to €40 per person per hour, "emissions are around 90 kg CO2 per hour" I get from a quick googling. | 23:37 |
| Arsanerit | if €40/hour then round trip London - Rome would increase by €240/person, enough to save the planet from instragram weekend city trip fliers. | 23:39 |
| Arsanerit | but not enough to make the train cheaper than the plane | 23:39 |
| livebrain | Arsanerit: lol | 23:40 |
| Arsanerit | When someone (or someones) managed to close Gatwick Airport for a day or two using a drone, the BBC News showed a sob story of a rich kid who had wanted to fly to northern Finland and back on a single day to see Father Christmas, that story was quite convincing in support of whoever controlled the drone. Too many pointless flights going on. | 23:42 |
| LjL | however a genuinely rich kid will still spend the money | 23:48 |
| LjL | i don't disagree completely, but like with many other things... it will hardly affect the poor in this case, admittedly, but it also won't affect the ones rich enough to do flights that are completely gratuitous | 23:49 |
| LjL | but if airplanes alone are enough to form a substantial portion of greenhouse gas emissions, well, let's make it not so, i guess | 23:49 |
| Arsanerit | substantial enough to not exempt them from the carbon tax that we need on everything | 23:52 |
| livebrain | less flights affects poor ppl | 23:53 |
| livebrain | in alot of ways actually | 23:53 |
| LjL | well i guess i unconditionally agree that whatever general taxes on fuel there are, there shouldn't be an ad hoc exception for airlines... | 23:53 |
| ecov | why so little news about france | 23:54 |
| LjL | python476, why so little news | 23:54 |
| ecov | LjL: why so little news | 23:55 |
| LjL | you want more news *from italy*? | 23:56 |
| LjL | are you sure? 'cause i do have more press conferences to flood the channel with, if desired :P | 23:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:52 UTC: HHS official plans to file whistleblower complaint over coronavirus drug pressure related to Trump and ouster: Rick Bright claims he was dismissed from leading a federal agency dealing with the coronavirus outbreak after resisting pressure to expand the use of drugs promoted by President Donald Trump. → https://is.gd/9QE5M8 | 23:58 |
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