| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +4501 cases (now 3.7 million), +48 deaths (now 88449) since 17 hours ago | 00:08 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Modi Never Bought Enough COVID-19 Vaccines for India. Now the Whole World Is Paying → https://is.gd/4czS2k | 00:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine reduces mortality by 97% : Uruguay study → https://is.gd/KPL5jg | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +3273 cases (now 235698), +16 deaths (now 939) since 22 hours ago | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New study claims Chinese scientists created COVID 19 in a lab → https://is.gd/h86hLx | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3132 cases (now 1.4 million), +39 deaths (now 25464) since 23 hours ago | 02:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: I think they actually made the bridge a lot worse in the name of privacy (days ago I heard of Libera staff saying they wanted more privacy from the Matrix bridge, but I didn't know what that referred to): this well-known recent bug https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1355 was caused by this new behavior https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1332 which comes originally from this 2016 bug | 02:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | report https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/212 and which I can see how it may end up losing a lot of messages during *and after* netsplits and such: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/212#issuecomment-484551054 | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +3624 cases (now 1.7 million), +11 deaths (now 17748) since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1778 cases (now 4.5 million), +4 deaths (now 127901) since 21 hours ago — Germany: +4513 cases (now 3.7 million) since 20 hours ago | 02:37 |
| pwr22 | Matrix will always keep all the messages in rooms in the servers by default anyway, even if it's access control doesn't let new joiners see it | 02:39 |
| pwr22 | I think they should either not allow matrix bridging or give up on privacy | 02:39 |
| pwr22 | And tbh I don't understand wanting stuff in public channels to not persist or become hidden in the annuls of time. It just encourages people to do things they wouldn't otherwise consider acceptable | 02:40 |
| pwr22 | *give up on extreme privacy requirements for public bridged rooms | 02:40 |
| LjL-Matrix | Peter: I think what happens with bridged rooms though is that the server *doesn't get messages in at all* unless/until all Matrix users are verified to also be on IRC... which means that if something gets typed on IRC even when just one person on the Matrix side is not (yet?) connected to IRC (or has been disconnected because of some reason), the bridge treats that as a "bridge is down" event and just doesn't send messages across. So they | 02:43 |
| LjL-Matrix | won't be in the servers, but they also will be lost to *all* users | 02:43 |
| LjL-Matrix | I had to set an entrymsg for this channel stating that the channel was logged because someone nagged me about it, simply due to the fact that the plumbed Matrix room had public history, and freenode staff confirmed they'd rather want me to warn about logging in that case | 02:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | (Now the channel is also logged by DocScrutinizer so I'd have to have that message anyway) | 02:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | The "solution" to this bug does mention, by Matthew I think, that it could be a per-room setting, so channels that "don't care about privacy" (or have public logs) could disable it. But I suspect unless someone adds that as a PR it won't happen | 02:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | So for now... expect loss of messages whenever there's a netsplit :( | 02:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | And ironically, there was just a netsplit earlier, which resolved just a minute before you posted that message | 02:46 |
| LjL-Matrix | But well, your messages would have made it to IRC anyway. The other way around, not so much. | 02:47 |
| LjL | Like can I be seen now? | 02:47 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well, I just typed a message from LjL on Libera, and it isn't showing up, so that's great | 02:47 |
| stan | this is not related to FOSS | 03:24 |
| stan | or do we discuss whether the gene jabs are open-source code? | 03:25 |
| xrogaan | stan: general purpose information about the pandemic | 03:59 |
| stan | is it related to FOSS? | 03:59 |
| xrogaan | Why should it be? | 03:59 |
| stan | the server charter says it's not for offtopic subjects | 04:00 |
| stan | however one aspect is on-topic | 04:00 |
| stan | it is surprising how many FOSS advocates also advocate closed-source GMO humans | 04:00 |
| xrogaan | It's not offtopic, covid19 is the topic. | 04:00 |
| stan | https://libera.chat/policies | 04:02 |
| stan | policies were changed in the past 10 days - prior, it said topics not related to FOSS would be better on another server | 04:02 |
| stan | so my question is resolved, it's not an inappropriate topic/channel anymore | 04:03 |
| xrogaan | This channel is informal and is part of a peer-directory project. | 04:04 |
| stan | does libera document changes in policies? | 04:04 |
| xrogaan | Had you bothered to check: https://github.com/ljl-covid/links | 04:04 |
| stan | i was not aware of that site | 04:05 |
| xrogaan | on the topic | 04:05 |
| xrogaan | %cases UK | 04:05 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: In United Kingdom, there have been 4.5 million confirmed cases (6.8% of the population) and 127901 deaths (2.9% of cases) as of an hour ago. 181.5 million tests were performed (2.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 04:06 |
| stan | is that true? | 04:06 |
| xrogaan | what? | 04:07 |
| stan | what is a 'case'? | 04:08 |
| xrogaan | people getting sick | 04:08 |
| stan | it used to be people getting sick | 04:08 |
| LjL | a case is whatever is officially defined as a case by the state in question | 04:08 |
| stan | now, since covid, it's a positive pcr-40 test | 04:08 |
| stan | why was the standard and definition for 'case' changed then? | 04:09 |
| xrogaan | ask your GP | 04:09 |
| stan | do you know? | 04:10 |
| stan | maybe you should consider this question some more, xrogaan | 04:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Vietnam detects hybrid of Indian and UK Covid-19 variants → https://is.gd/PVqeLq | 04:10 |
| de-facto | in epidemics the number of carriers (with presence of a pathogen) are a metric that makes sense because they are potential sources for new infections | 04:11 |
| stan | lol | 04:11 |
| stan | moo de-facto | 04:11 |
| xrogaan | what do they mean by hybrid?! | 04:12 |
| xrogaan | It's not like they can breed. | 04:12 |
| stan | Chickenpox, Cholera, Diptheria | 04:20 |
| stan | Flu, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, HPV | 04:20 |
| stan | Measles, Miningococcal, Mumps, Polio, Rotavirus, Rubella, Shingles | 04:21 |
| stan | Smallpox, Tetanus, Tuberculosis, Typhoid Fever, Yellow Fever | 04:21 |
| stan | still use the old definition of 'case' | 04:21 |
| stan | as does the common cold | 04:22 |
| stan | hmm | 04:22 |
| stan | so 'case' in this case, means something different | 04:23 |
| stan | that seems significant | 04:23 |
| Juerd | stan: I'd say the mrna vaccines are open core, not open source. The sequences are known, but the vaccines have proprietary lipids. | 04:25 |
| LjL | can you point us to a formal definition of this... definition? | 04:25 |
| LjL | Juerd, the sequences are known because they were reverse-engineered | 04:25 |
| LjL | so they are not open anything really | 04:25 |
| Juerd | LjL: Open but not free :) | 04:26 |
| stan | open? where's the sequence? | 04:26 |
| Juerd | https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/ | 04:26 |
| Juerd | Definitely not opened by Pfizer itself :) | 04:27 |
| LjL | yeah i wouldn't call it open when it's a reverse-engineering effort. it's like calling Windows open because someone stole the source code and posted it somewhere a few years ago | 04:27 |
| LjL | anyway i'm not sure these terms apply as easily to vaccines as to code... | 04:27 |
| Juerd | LjL: Fair enough :) | 04:28 |
| LjL | stan, can you point me to the formal definition of "case" that you seem to be referring to? | 04:28 |
| Juerd | It appears that part of the vaccine has much in common with code :) | 04:28 |
| stan | National and international organizations have published lists of uniform case definitions for the mandatory reporting of select diseases. | 04:28 |
| stan | a case of disease hinges on the definition of disease | 04:29 |
| stan | "Disease, any harmful deviation from the normal structural or functional state of an organism, generally associated with certain signs and symptoms and differing in nature from physical injury. A diseased organism commonly exhibits signs or symptoms indicative of its abnormal state." | 04:29 |
| stan | with the covid event, 'cases' were tagged upon a positive pcr-40 test | 04:30 |
| stan | among asymptomatic individuals | 04:30 |
| stan | this is a novel phenomenon | 04:30 |
| LjL | " A clinical definition should be regarded as a statistical analysis tool, and not a substitute for a pathological definition when this is required.[6]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_case_definition | 04:30 |
| de-facto | if ~40%-50% of infection sources would just be neglected because they dont fit in the liking of some "case" definition we would need to reduce contact rates by that amount in order to get a similar reproduction reduction compared to isolating cases that tested positive | 04:31 |
| stan | this is a changed definition - check the history of the page | 04:31 |
| LjL | this sounds to me like it's saying that the definition of whether the person is "sick" may not coincide with the *statistical* use of cases, which is clearly what is being done here with COVID | 04:31 |
| de-facto | and those numbers are known for over a year by now, *at least* 40%-50% of infections with SARS-CoV-2 take place prior to symptom onset | 04:32 |
| LjL | stan, show me the relevant history change if you want, i'm not going to sleuth the wikipedia page. anyway if there's anything that i could fathom as warranting a revision of a "case definition" during an outbreak, that would be a pandemic. | 04:32 |
| stan | the definition of 'pandemic' was also changed | 04:32 |
| de-facto | that is exactly the reason why it spreads so easy with asymptomatic carriers via international airplane traveling | 04:32 |
| stan | always pay attention when some group redefines words for political purposes | 04:32 |
| stan | they do not go to this effort to enlighten or inform | 04:33 |
| de-facto | i dont care about politicians, i care about infections going down | 04:33 |
| stan | that can be easily arranged | 04:33 |
| stan | if your measure of 'infection' is the Drosten protocol | 04:34 |
| de-facto | i measure an infection as presence of pathogen, potential source for new cases and potential progression into more symptomatic or even severe disease | 04:34 |
| stan | 'de' is an appropriate prefix :) | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uruguay: +5974 cases (now 288172), +58 deaths (now 4176) since 23 hours ago | 04:35 |
| stan | pcr-40 is not a measure of a disease | 04:35 |
| de-facto | it never said its a measure for disease | 04:36 |
| stan | it's a measure of noise | 04:36 |
| Juerd | Seems the sequence, in many different parts, are described in patents held by moderna. Maybe that counts as open source in some way :P | 04:37 |
| de-facto | if it detects characteristic parts of SARS-CoV-2 RNA (specific down to a variant even) that RNA has to have originated from a recent source where that sample was taken | 04:37 |
| stan | i'll look into that more Juerd - it's an interesting topic | 04:37 |
| LjL | okay look, i'll be plain | 04:38 |
| Juerd | https://www.modernatx.com/patents - good luck. It's thousands of pages :) | 04:38 |
| LjL | in this channel a "COVID doesn't really exist" and "there is no pandemic" line is not okay | 04:38 |
| LjL | you can make maybe ##not-covid | 04:38 |
| de-facto | as its known that RNA is cleared by the body transporting it away trashing it, it has to originate from a recent viral replication on cellular level local to where that sample was taken e.g. with the cotton swab | 04:38 |
| LjL | if you want to discuss the vaccine technology or whatever, feel free | 04:38 |
| LjL | but this entire rant on case definitions, the famed Drosten protocol, etc, leave it out | 04:38 |
| stan | the standard, accepted definition of pandemic (by WHO) included significant excess mortality | 04:38 |
| stan | this was revised 2017 iirc. now the common cold is a 'pandemic' by the revised definition. | 04:39 |
| stan | so it was revised to meaninglessness | 04:39 |
| stan | always beware the language-benders | 04:39 |
| de-facto | what do you want to say? you dont make a bit of a sense at all | 04:39 |
| de-facto | definition bla bla, look we have got a problem with COVID that obviously originates from infections, so how about using those as the metric for how well we can prevent the cause of our global problem with the pandemic? | 04:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Myanmar Covid-19 outbreak hits health system shattered after coup → https://is.gd/xTbYGQ | 04:42 |
| LjL | stan, there is significant excess mortality in many places. | 04:44 |
| LjL | the link in the topic provides some references for that. | 04:45 |
| stan | i have references showing there isn't | 04:45 |
| stan | have you taken the covid quiz LjL? | 04:46 |
| LjL | no | 04:46 |
| stan | https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/ | 04:47 |
| stan | see how you do | 04:47 |
| LjL | and feel free to show your references, including for countries that do have excess mortality in my references | 04:47 |
| de-facto | oh they are burning their dead relatives in India on the street for fun then? now THAT makes more sense | 04:47 |
| stan | pandemic being global you need to show global excess deaths, not cherry-picked | 04:48 |
| de-facto | the pathogen is found globally, meaning at each place there is the potential for an outbreak that overwhelms the healthcare system and what happens then can be seen in countries like India (unfortunately for them) | 04:49 |
| de-facto | its very severe, people dying in cars in front of the hospital, not enough oxygen even to provide it to them in the cars | 04:50 |
| LjL | stan, different places are having peaks at different times | 04:50 |
| stan | yes, if I choose my peaks, i can show a trough in 2020 | 04:50 |
| de-facto | the crematoriums also being overwhelmed, hence family members having to burn their relatives on parking places on the streets instead, then they even ran out of wood for burning them so they threw them in the river | 04:50 |
| Juerd | de-facto: stan, like everyone else, has access to all that information. It's not exactly hidden. They chose not to believe it and it's a waste of time trying to convince them. | 04:51 |
| stan | how did you do LjL? | 04:51 |
| Juerd | (If they really do believe the nonsense; it could very well be that they're trolling.) | 04:52 |
| de-facto | so that this was prevented from happening at other places is not an evidence for that it never could have become a reality there too if enough people doubt the tests and vaccines and distancing etc | 04:53 |
| de-facto | in the end its all about the behavior of the majority of the people because for reproduction the pathogen needs contact rates, transmission paths and infectious carriers walking around (with or without symptoms) | 04:54 |
| stan | take the covid quiz Juerd ! | 04:55 |
| LjL | stan, i did not complete it because it was obviously biased and i could cheat it by selecting what seemed the "obviously wrong" answer and it's also extermely US-centered which barely interests me as i don't live there | 04:55 |
| Juerd | stan: No. Like yourself, I've already chosen what to believe. | 04:56 |
| stan | i changed my mind based on evidence | 04:56 |
| LjL | evidence of which you have shown none apart from a quiz, apparently | 04:56 |
| stan | the quiz is very informative :) | 04:57 |
| de-facto | its brainwash. | 04:57 |
| LjL | at least the early questions in the quiz beg to distinguish correlation from causation | 04:59 |
| LjL | places that have worse peaks also tend to have tougher lockdowns *because* of the peaks | 04:59 |
| LjL | but i won't deny that how the peaks behave is a tough nut to crak | 04:59 |
| stan | if the measures are effective, they should have a visible causative effect | 05:00 |
| stan | to justify the immense cost and harms thereof | 05:00 |
| de-facto | so what do you think causes a peak to go down after it reached its maximum? | 05:00 |
| LjL | countries that implemented *actually strict measures effectively*, like Australia and New Zealand, have basically zero casees | 05:00 |
| de-facto | multiple times a year in many places | 05:00 |
| stan | 'cases' | 05:01 |
| stan | there's no correlation | 05:01 |
| stan | we have at least 28 papers now proving this | 05:01 |
| de-facto | carriers as potential sources for new infections | 05:01 |
| stan | and lacking a correlation planet-wide, there is no causation | 05:01 |
| de-facto | would you feel bad if you had no symptoms and your grandmother died because you refused to accept a test result? | 05:01 |
| stan | lacking causation, no justification | 05:01 |
| de-facto | so maybe you would feel better if you define yourself to be not a case in such a fatal scenario for someone else? | 05:03 |
| stan | https://thefatemperor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/1.0-STANFORD-Effects-of-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-on-COVID-19-A-Tale-of-Three-Models.pdf | 05:07 |
| stan | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23660118/ Survey of New York City resident physicians on cause-of-death reporting, 2010 | 05:11 |
| de-facto | peaks surpassing their maximum (multiple times a year) and going down again is because of change in the behavior of the people as carrier of a pathogen, the contact rates obviously went down as well as hygiene measures went up (people are more careful) that then reflects in case numbers with a delay of 1-2 weeks | 05:12 |
| de-facto | the cause of that is irrelevant (if people did it from their own sanity or if they had to be forced by government) for the pathogen spread only the reproduction counts | 05:13 |
| stan | "We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality…. if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death." - Deborah Brix | 05:13 |
| de-facto | google india | 05:13 |
| de-facto | or brazil or any other place where it exploded into peoples faces | 05:14 |
| de-facto | then ask yourself if any of what you are saying makes sense for those that lost their relatives | 05:14 |
| stan | The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, or CARES Act - mandates paying hospitals an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates. Including tens of thousands for reporting a covid death, when it's really a death with positive Drosten PCR-40 result. | 05:15 |
| de-facto | ah its the Drosten PCR-40 result that kills people in India then? | 05:15 |
| de-facto | lol come on | 05:15 |
| stan | http://www.todaysgeriatricmedicine.com/archive/SO17p26.shtml "Death certificate inaccuracy is a well-recognized problem at both the national and international levels." | 05:16 |
| stan | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16324191/ “At least a third of death certificates are likely to be incorrect and 50% of autopsies produce findings unsuspected before death.” | 05:16 |
| de-facto | bla bla, look people are dying from COVID at rates never seen before, how else could they run out of resources to care for their *dead* relatives | 05:18 |
| de-facto | you think it makes *any* difference to them if how it was diagnosed? its irrelevant because they died from it (otherwise there were not so many dead bodies obviously when normally resources would not be exhausted by a pandemic out of control) | 05:19 |
| de-facto | i dont need any paper to see the obvious | 05:20 |
| de-facto | Mass graves in Brazil, refrigerator trucks in US, crematories running out of wood in India etc pp | 05:21 |
| de-facto | what else do you need? a paper telling what you want to believe? | 05:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Why COVID-19 testing in schools will be key this fall as more students return to classroom → https://is.gd/Be2C8R | 05:34 |
| stan | people starting to wake-up :) | 05:58 |
| stan | and the agenda is not going to plan :) | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1860 cases (now 1.1 million), +11 deaths (now 24921) since 23 hours ago | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Doing everything to get Biden administration provide excess Covid vaccines to India: Krishnamoorthi → https://is.gd/O2GlzE | 06:06 |
| charade | got a good dose there, lul | 06:08 |
| LjL | charade, i think you left yesterday after someone else was being... suboptimal, and i kind of felt annoyed that i hadn't stopped it in time for people not to leave, or do i remember wrong? | 06:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 762: SARS-CoV-2 origins with Robert Garry: Robert Garry joins TWiV to explain how the molecular biology of SARS-CoV-2 shows that it came from Nature and not a lab, including the receptor binding domain, the furin cleavage site, and the two lineages circulating in Wuhan wildlife markets. → https://is.gd/zQsYUZ | 06:16 |
| LjL | %title https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-vietnam-finds-new-india-uk-covid-variant/32e2db7b-bbdc-40b0-a862-2ec38451d930 | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.9news.com.au: Vietnam finds new COVID-19 variant, hybrid of India, UK strains | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Tens of thousands protest in Brazil demanding Bolsonaro's impeachment and better vaccine access → https://is.gd/SJVM9O | 06:38 |
| charade | LjL: its ok friend :) I know that user from another channel | 06:47 |
| LjL | i try not to ban these people immediately. or sometimes i do, it really depends on the mood and i let it happen that way, i'm tired of channels with specific policies and stuff | 06:50 |
| LjL | but when all is said and done it's still somewhat visible whether the right action was taken at the right time or not | 06:51 |
| charade | yep , doing fine | 06:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Brazil let 70 million shots get away and sealed its Covid fate → https://is.gd/iZvy5q | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahia, Brazil: +6643 cases (now 1.0 million), +103 deaths (now 21074) since 23 hours ago — Pernambuco, Brazil: +5576 cases (now 478902), +85 deaths (now 15742) since 23 hours ago — Mato Grosso, Brazil: +4602 cases (now 690093), +82 deaths (now 17436) since 23 hours ago — Metropolitana, Chile: +3866 cases (now 569995), +42 deaths (now 15354) since 23 hours ago | 07:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Gun buying spiked during the pandemic. It’s still up. → https://is.gd/I8kfAC | 07:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +165553 cases (now 27.9 million), +2453 deaths (now 324827) since 23 hours ago | 08:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: In quarantine, Virat Kohli answers questions on diet, dealing with anxiety, daughter Vamika, and more → https://is.gd/B3XL10 | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | May 30, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/hslFiN | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: 'Very few' Covid hospital patients had two jabs, NHS boss says → https://is.gd/Tt5M2U | 09:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Myanmar COVID-19 outbreak hits health system shattered after coup → https://is.gd/F6vKnt | 09:27 |
| fluxm | does someone know how quickly the 52% (?) efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine is achieved, after the first short? | 09:29 |
| fluxm | ah, and just after looking into it for a while I found this quote: "But the 52.4% figure includes the 11 days before protection kicks in after the first dose, so the real percentage could well be higher."; so, I take it 11 days after the shot (https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccine-one-shot-effectiveness-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-vaccines-dose-2021-3?op=1&r=US&IR=T) | 09:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Kumbh Mela: how a superspreader festival seeded Covid across India → https://is.gd/xsKJpv | 09:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China's Sinopharm vaccine gets a seal of approval as JAMA publishes study of its success → https://is.gd/ATt0US | 10:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Manipur, India: +1007 cases (now 48850), +15 deaths (now 776) since 23 hours ago — Mizoram, India: +329 cases (now 11988), +1 deaths (now 36) since 23 hours ago — Fiji: +41 cases (now 401) since a day ago — Taiwan: +354 cases (now 8160), +11 deaths (now 110) since 23 hours ago | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK could make COVID-19 jabs compulsory in healthcare, minister says → https://is.gd/PjczcB | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +9694 cases (now 5.1 million), +355 deaths (now 121162) since 23 hours ago | 11:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fully vaccinated people who catch Covid variants may pass virus on, study finds → https://is.gd/9hkaXm | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: British spies say Wuhan lab leak is 'feasible' → https://is.gd/BuWdQA | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Organizers of Tiananmen Massacre vigil reopen museum in Hong Kong for people to learn more about the incident and pay tributes to victims → https://is.gd/RmeqBK | 12:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 2 booked under NSA in Manipur for FB posts saying cow dung won't cure covid19 → https://is.gd/9qvxbg | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +9266 cases (now 3.7 million) since 19 hours ago | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Shocking Video Shows Covid Patient's Body Being Thrown In River In UP, India → https://is.gd/guoCEJ | 12:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A leading medical professor said on Sunday that many Hong Kong people should be "ashamed of themselves" for not getting inoculated against Covid-19, when people around the world were dying because of a shortage of vaccines. → https://is.gd/CZrXHa | 12:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10806) since 21 hours ago | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a lab and then tried to cover their tracks, new study claims → https://is.gd/9kPzWM | 14:23 |
| ublx | nice headline | 14:29 |
| ublx | wrt position of "new study claims" | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Nature Isn’t Really Healing: As the coronavirus pandemic took hold last spring and people around the world went into lockdown, a certain type of news story started to spring up—the idea that, in the absence of people, nature was returning to a healthier, more pristine state. There were viral (and fake) reports of dolphins in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/P67PTJ | 14:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 18 year old gets beaten to death by POLICE for selling vegetables during lockdown → https://is.gd/I2kcra | 14:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vietnam says latest COVID-19 outbreak caused by hybrid of UK and Indian variants → https://is.gd/tkfufJ | 15:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +3702 cases (now 557124), +109 deaths (now 7272) since a day ago | 15:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Man arrested for stealing 192 ventilators meant for critically ill COVID-19 patients in El Salvador → https://is.gd/hlCiIS | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +9586 cases (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19 has no 'credible natural ancestor', was created in Wuhan lab, claims new study → https://is.gd/DnaRwz | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Study alleges China created coronavirus in lab, tried to cover tracks → https://is.gd/oUnb80 | 17:46 |
| charade | hmm, not sure if this thread belongs | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @richardneher: RT by @firefoxx66: Grateful to have received my 1st dose today -- bitter sweet as millions around the globe are at (much) greater risk. The pandemic has also disrupted crucial global vaccination campaigns and organizations that run them remain underfunded. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FeCMun | 18:07 |
| LjL | %fdroid free2pass | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, free2pass 1.4.7 (com.hanntech.free2pass) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Digital test certificate and contact tracing in one app - updated 2021-05-25, see https://gitlab.com/free2pass/free2pass-app | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Last time I checked, not all indexes could be downloaded! | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'Covid-19 has no credible natural ancestor': Explosive study claims Chinese scientists created virus in lab → https://is.gd/KwH6Wo | 18:29 |
| LjL | studies don't explode | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +281 cases (now 7107) since 14 hours ago — Italy: +2948 cases (now 4.2 million), +44 deaths (now 126046) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +36 deaths (now 25472) since 23 hours ago | 18:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ghana: +123 cases (now 93898), +1 deaths (now 785) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1444 cases (now 798830), +34 deaths (now 12583) since a day ago | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Sunday 30 May 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/elvA8z | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Diabetes vaccine shows promise in early trial, helps to preserve body’s insulin in certain patients → https://is.gd/ApiY8f | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +1898 cases (now 4.5 million) since 17 hours ago | 20:33 |
| de-facto | Dangit Vietnam did *so* well and now they got it exploding in their faces https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/ | 20:50 |
| de-facto | well still compared to their population very low numbers but more than ever before there | 20:52 |
| de-facto | .title https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27103 | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From onlinelibrary.wiley.com: Genome‐wide analysis of SARS‐CoV‐2 in VietnamGenome‐wide analysis of SARS‐CoV‐2 strains circulating in Vietnam: understanding the nature of the epidemic and role of the D614G mutation - Dao - - [...] | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +11 deaths (now 25475) since 19 hours ago | 21:36 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01377-8 | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Neutralizing antibody levels are highly predictive of immune protection from symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection | Nature Medicine | 22:31 |
| de-facto | https://github.com/InfectionAnalytics/COVID19-ProtectiveThreshold | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +1305 cases (now 261604) since 2 days ago | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brit spies ‘recruiting Chinese whistleblowers on dark web’ for intel on fears Covid leaked from Wuhan lab → https://is.gd/lgSouq | 22:39 |
| LjL | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01396-y | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nature.com: Tissues, not blood, are where immune cells function | 23:14 |
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