| nixonix | ^ "A decision on routinely offering Covid jabs to under-18s is expected within days." - what but... | 00:18 |
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| nixonix | .title https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/british-ministers-decide-against-mass-vaccination-teenagers-telegraph-2021-07-17/ | 00:18 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.reuters.com: British ministers decide against mass vaccination for teens - The Telegraph | Reuters | 00:18 |
| nixonix | well its just a claim by telegraph, though | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +7 deaths (now 26499) since 23 hours ago | 01:06 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/pfizer-covid-jab-exercise-heart-21060301 | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.walesonline.co.uk: People warned not to exercise after getting Pfizer Covid jab following rare heart inflammation side effects - Wales Online | 01:10 |
| nixonix | i warned you first, i think... | 01:11 |
| nixonix | actually i warned some ppl i know first, but anyway | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fauci: US might 'still have polio' if media back then opposed vaccine → https://is.gd/8R37Tm | 01:14 |
| nixonix | you guys remember our statin discussion from the last summer? | 01:18 |
| nixonix | "In a new study from University of California San Diego School of Medicine, researchers have confirmed that patients taking statin medications had a 41 percent lower risk of in-hospital death from COVID-19 | 01:19 |
| nixonix | mechanism isnt clear, is it just because it reduced hypertension, or perhaps because it can block ace2 from the virus, or reduce inflammation. maybe all of them | 01:22 |
| nixonix | .title https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/common-medication-used-to-reduce-cholesterol-levels-may-reduce-covid-19-severity | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From ucsdnews.ucsd.edu: Common Medication Used to Reduce Cholesterol Levels May Reduce COVID-19 Severity | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From ucsdnews.ucsd.edu: Common Medication Used to Reduce Cholesterol Levels May Reduce COVID-19 Severity | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: 16 months into the pandemic and the concept of herd immunity seems still completely misunderstood both by those who believe it represents a dastardly genocidal plan, and those who see it as the sunlit uplands. Sigh ... → https://is.gd/4vFX69 | 01:24 |
| nixonix | heres the idea: cross check the appearance of variants that have immune evasion capability or increased spreading to the current wild type, with both the numbers of infection and prevalence of steroid use | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fiji: +1043 cases (now 17514), +13 deaths (now 98) since a day ago | 01:30 |
| nixonix | this has an interesting table. anyone recognizes the studies where the percentages for IC, LSHTM and Warwick are taken from? | 01:40 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9791983/Up-Brits-doubled-jabbed-AstraZeneca-Covid-symptoms-compared-Pfizer.html | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: Up to a THIRD more Brits doubled jabbed with AstraZeneca could get Covid symptoms compared to Pfizer | Daily Mail Online | 01:41 |
| nixonix | especially those percentages for different vaccines, regarding risk of inecection, and risk of onwards transmission if infected | 01:42 |
| nixonix | while the latter was reduced to just under half (using average of results), those two combined would mean double vaccinated with mrna would reduce the transmitting by over 90% | 01:43 |
| nixonix | which is pretty much the same as protection from symptomatic infection, as i have thougth whole the time | 01:44 |
| nixonix | if those are against indian variant. should try to find the studies | 01:44 |
| nixonix | dm isnt bad for sars2 related news. yeah the actual articles arent accurate, but you can then google other souces | 01:51 |
| nixonix | maybe the best news pics in media, but the worst diagrams. after our national broadcast systems web news... | 01:52 |
| nixonix | or broadcasting company | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Global healthcare workers missing out on jabs: Campaigners say millions have not had even one vaccine dose, raising concerns for their communities. → https://is.gd/nslMO5 | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rwanda: +2773 cases (now 57322), +11 deaths (now 649) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +10649 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago — France: +11 deaths (now 111572) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +35 deaths (now 128834) since 23 hours ago | 02:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thai police fire rubber bullets at protesters as Covid failures fuel anti-government anger → https://is.gd/VD69Ud | 02:37 |
| Banban` | hi | 02:43 |
| himesama | my understanding is that rubber bullets are intended to be fired at the ground and then bounce to hit the target | 02:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Olympic athletes will sleep on cardboard beds to discourage sex amidst Covid-19 → https://is.gd/hXZZBs | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison's approval ratings fell to the lowest level in more than a year, according to a poll published on Monday, as a sluggish COVID-19 vaccine rollout dented voters' confidence in his conservative government → https://is.gd/VumpwG | 02:57 |
| joerg | himesama: why's that? wouldn't it cause random hits at target, sth you generally want to avoid? | 03:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Double-jabbed NHS staff could avoid isolation when services under pressure → https://is.gd/NKdX1g | 03:39 |
| himesama | joerg: no idea. but there was a scandal in the 1990s where they shot directy and that was suposed to be incorrect. | 03:45 |
| himesama | seems what i get on a search is exactly what you are saying, that you should not fire at ground, and instructions now say that, and you shold fire at legs or something, so idk | 03:47 |
| joerg | I *guess* it's all about not hitting the face, so officers are supposed to aim at the feet or even the ground immediately before feet. If they aim at ground at half or shorter distance between them and target, odds are the bullets bounce up exactly to where they shouldn't go | 03:49 |
| himesama | this supports what i said though so idk https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet | 03:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The Latest: Most of S Korean warship's crew have coronavirus → https://is.gd/5PRiQF | 03:49 |
| himesama | whatever they are they do not sound like they are harmless | 03:51 |
| joerg | they are not, the article you linked mentions that they knew about this since ... beginning? | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +123 cases (now 3426), +1 deaths (now 5) since 20 hours ago | 04:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +11784 cases (now 415170), +81 deaths (now 3422) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +10423 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +283 cases (now 1.4 million) since 23 hours ago — France: +8 deaths (now 111573) since 23 hours ago | 04:36 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Remove UK dashboard beta version (now the same as production) ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/a37ea38b24f41ae47f058fe2685dd24d1c85b172 ) | 04:44 | |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Remove UK dashboard beta version (now the same as production) → https://is.gd/McCWkx | 04:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +7675 cases (now 5.5 million), +57 deaths (now 50554) since 6 hours ago — Gambia: +310 cases (now 6920), +2 deaths (now 190) since 3 days ago | 05:41 |
| Banban` | personally I like to refer it to either the china virus, or the wuhan virus, they had it right to begin with | 06:23 |
| Banban` | and every variant should have a chinese province named after it | 06:23 |
| Banban` | or chinese virus, and for laughs and kicks, kung flu | 06:24 |
| Banban` | lol | 06:24 |
| Banban` | prolly be more like kunk fru | 06:24 |
| Banban` | kung* rather | 06:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: Preparing for the next pandemic: Harmonize vaccinations in Canada: To prepare for the next pandemic and provide a coordinated approach to vaccination across the country, Canada should create Canadian Immunization Services based on the Canadian Blood Services model, authors propose in CMAJ (Canadian Medical Association Journal) [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zWclCC | 06:25 |
| Banban` | they can screw off | 06:26 |
| Banban` | how about live our lives and let the chips fallwhere they fall ffs | 06:26 |
| Banban` | where were they when we had sars and were supposed to be prepared for this viurs, thos stupid incompetant losers | 06:27 |
| Banban` | all we had was a shitload of expired ppe | 06:27 |
| Banban` | down wtih trudeau | 06:27 |
| Banban` | he wears blackface, he's a racist | 06:28 |
| Banban` | 197 people and no on chats | 06:28 |
| Banban` | nice going, sothis is not a chat chantn, its a parking lot channel | 06:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia to deport commentator Hopkins for quarantine boast → https://is.gd/XW0zFU | 06:35 |
| oldschool^ | %cases turkey | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | oldschool^: In Turkey, there have been 5.5 million confirmed cases (6.6% of the population) and 50554 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of an hour ago. 64.9 million tests were performed (8.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for data/graphs. | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | oldschool^: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Turkey, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, United States: +2132 cases (now 908248), +17 deaths (now 18117) since a day ago — Krasnoyarsk, Russia: +505 cases (now 84637), +16 deaths (now 4185) since 23 hours ago — Voronezh, Russia: +478 cases (now 97845) since 23 hours ago — Crimea Republic, Ukraine: +409 cases (now 54763), +8 deaths (now 1646) since 23 hours ago | 07:33 |
| ErrantEgo | %cases michigan | 07:37 |
| Brainstorm | ErrantEgo: In Michigan, United States, there have been 1.0 million confirmed cases (10.1% of the population) and 21109 deaths (2.1% of cases) as of 2 days ago. 2.5 million tests were performed (39.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Michigan for data/graphs. | 07:37 |
| Brainstorm | ErrantEgo: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Michigan, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 07:37 |
| ErrantEgo | %tell LjL | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | ErrantEgo, Provide recipient(s) and a message (like 'tell John, Mary and Jane: I love you') | 07:39 |
| ErrantEgo | %tell LjL https://www.michigan.gov/Coronavirus | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | ErrantEgo, I'll pass LjL your message when they are around. | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bangladesh lifts COVID lockdown for Eid, experts warn of surge → https://is.gd/8GyDl9 | 08:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +38164 cases (now 31.1 million), +506 deaths (now 413953) since 23 hours ago | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada has now eclipsed U.S. in percentage of fully vaccinated residents → https://is.gd/qA3X0s | 08:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: England lifts Covid-19 restrictions on daily life even as variant cases spike: The British government on Monday lifted pandemic restrictions on daily life in England, scrapping all social distancing in a step slammed by scientists and opposition parties as a dangerous leap into the unknown. → https://is.gd/nzXUt7 | 08:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | July 19, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/SrDvXI | 09:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: The pandemic has a new epicenter: Indonesia → https://is.gd/VZvxHP | 09:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid jabs for some under-18s to be recommended in UK: The vaccines minister tells BBC Breakfast he has received expert advice on which children might benefit. → https://is.gd/ZtMHp7 | 09:32 |
| zutt | TIL: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/16/silverstone-organisers-defend-decision-to-allow-140000-fans-at-f1-british-gp | 09:43 |
| zutt | 'Masks will not have to be worn inside the track however, which Pringle explains is part of the research of which the meeting is now an integral part. “The masks were not a Silverstone decision, that is the view of the directorate of public health Northamptonshire and Public Health England,” he said. “As part of ERP, Covid regulations are disapplied; this is a scientific, data-gatheirng exercise and | 09:43 |
| zutt | they want to understand what happens. They are taking a view on the risk and the view is that in a large-scale, open-air, outdoor venue it is not necessary to wear masks.”' | 09:43 |
| zutt | F1 race audience was a government covid research project, I'm sorry but this is making me giggle a bit | 09:44 |
| genera | probably they organize via a fb group Friend of Dr Mengele | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: How Delta is pushing the U.S. into a new phase of the Covid-19 pandemic: Vaccines are absolutely helping blunt the impact of Covid-19 outbreaks. But uptake isn’t to the point yet where it can preclude increases in hospitalizations and deaths. → https://is.gd/nejDTu | 10:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Messenger RNA vaccine pioneer Katalin Karikó shares her long journey to Covid-19 vaccines: "I'm not a very emotional person, but I just cried a little,” Katalin Karikó of BioNTech said of the health workers who clapped for her after she got the Covid… → https://is.gd/y6OwVR | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: (news): EMA starts evaluating the use of Kineret in adult COVID-19 patients at increased risk of severe respiratory failure, CHMP, 19/07/2021 → https://is.gd/y3Vtyr | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 treatments → https://is.gd/XmGa4N | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 treatments: under evaluation → https://is.gd/Cm0CF3 | 11:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +931 cases (now 3.8 million) since 21 hours ago | 11:29 |
| pwr22 | Oh no, it's "Freedom Day" here in the UK | 11:40 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Decreto Presidenziale n. 2293/2021 in relazione al ricorso n. 3405/2021 proposto da AZZINNARI Denise e altri ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/decreto-presidenziale-n-22932021-relazione-al-ricorso-n-34052021-proposto-da-azzinnari ) | 11:45 | |
| undefined_bob | pwr22: Johnson is like the european Bolsonaro | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Korea confirms massive outbreak in military unit dispatched to Africa | 19JUL21 → https://is.gd/L5VARm | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Cuba, gripped by unrest, battles highest Covid caseload in the Americas → https://is.gd/OLwIK2 | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Sixty seconds on . . . the pingdemic: Too much ping pong? The new tennis elbow?No, this isn’t about a boom in lockdown hobbies. We’re talking about the rise in the number of people who have been “pinged” and told to self-isolate by the... → https://is.gd/MK7RaI | 13:02 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi incontra Giuseppe Conte ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-incontra-giuseppe-conte/17485 ) | 13:05 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uzbekistan: +585 cases (now 119973), +5 deaths (now 801) since a day ago | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Katie Hopkins deported from Australia amid possible hotel quarantine breach and Big Brother axe → https://is.gd/B6FYw4 | 13:22 |
| ryzenda | Is it okay to share links here? | 13:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Biotech: STAT+: Cytokinetics drug improves blood flow in patients with inherited form of heart disease → https://is.gd/QnroY2 | 13:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australia deports far-right commentator Hopkins for quarantine boast → https://is.gd/FOUezB | 14:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Fully vaccinated NHS staff may not need to self-isolate: NHS and care staff in England who have been told to self-isolate will be permitted to attend work in “exceptional circumstances” if they are fully vaccinated and return a negative PCR test, the... → https://is.gd/jHlchb | 14:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @carmendrahl: RT by @Dereklowe: A lively conversation about COVID-19, antiviral drug development, and drug repurposing with two great people: @fayeflam - one of the first science journalists who taught me about the craft, and chemistry blogfather @Dereklowe , who needs no further introduction. → https://is.gd/4hCmLg | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +1642 cases (now 668751), +32 deaths (now 9582) since a day ago — Fiji: +784 cases (now 18298), +15 deaths (now 113) since 13 hours ago — Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10903) since 2 days ago | 15:06 |
| joerg | ryzenda: if they are informative and no fake news, I'd guess yes | 15:29 |
| joerg | however maybe check channel log if they already been shared | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +25441 cases (now 3.5 million), +213 deaths (now 87374) since a day ago | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Pfizer seeks full FDA approval for its Covid-19 vaccine; CT attorney general calls some Sacklers ‘entitled thugs’ → https://is.gd/odRIot | 15:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 vaccines: key facts → https://is.gd/IS5ANz | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +9883 cases (now 1.5 million), +62 deaths (now 17892) since 23 hours ago — Serbia: +227 cases (now 718817), +1 deaths (now 7084) since 23 hours ago | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 55 people working at the Olympics have tested positive for COVID since July 1 → https://is.gd/UB0DtU | 16:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 20% of Americans believe the conspiracy theory that microchips are inside the COVID-19 vaccines, says YouGov study → https://is.gd/vrwYmH | 16:21 |
| Raf[m] | <Brainstorm "New from r/WorldNews: worldnews:"> That number sounds way too high... | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +4774 cases (now 1.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Anger as French protesters compare vaccines to Nazi horrors → https://is.gd/lotZJL | 16:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Vaxzevria (previously COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca), COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 29/01/2021, Revision: 10, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/rIyUV1 | 16:52 |
| Jigsy | UK cases trump UK 1st vaccinations today. | 17:08 |
| Jigsy | 40K to 18K. | 17:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Impact of Non-pharmaceutical Interventions on the Control of COVID-19 in Iran: A Mathematical Modeling Study. → https://is.gd/49OK5x | 17:13 |
| Banban` | hi | 17:22 |
| Banban` | hi LjL | 17:22 |
| Banban` | oh cool, x commands work on this network | 17:30 |
| pwr22 | Jigsy: is that the first time it's happened? | 17:45 |
| Jigsy | I think so. | 17:45 |
| Jigsy | Second doses are at 128K. | 17:45 |
| Jigsy | But there's still 23 million people unvaccinated. | 17:45 |
| Jigsy | But the UK is still spouting... | 17:45 |
| Jigsy | But chILdRen Can'T CAtch cOVId. | 17:45 |
| pwr22 | Spouting? | 17:46 |
| pwr22 | Ah lol | 17:46 |
| pwr22 | They definitely can and we know they can ha ha | 17:46 |
| pwr22 | Boris makes his decisions on the best cased scenario | 17:46 |
| Jigsy | Plus it's monday, so there's the usual weekend lull. | 17:46 |
| pwr22 | Time and again, despite that strategy continuously fucking up and ending up sub optimal | 17:47 |
| Jigsy | Watching that grow over the next week is going to be interesting. | 17:47 |
| pwr22 | We are very close to being beyond our all time high for new daily cases | 17:47 |
| Jigsy | Esp. since the UK is celebrating "Freedom Day." | 17:47 |
| pwr22 | Next 2-4 weeks really due to incubation period | 17:47 |
| Jigsy | There'll probably be yet another mutation at the end of this. | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | My fear is that we end up with a new more harmful strain yeah | 17:48 |
| pwr22 | and then we are pretty much up shit creek since BoJo has decided to bank on everything being fine | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | It seems way too soon and frankly daft to remove all restrictions | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | and open nightclubs | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | with no social distancing or masks | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | We are still in a global fucking pandemic | 17:49 |
| pwr22 | ffs | 17:49 |
| Banban` | A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you�re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. | 17:50 |
| Banban` | 0 to 19 have a 99.997% chance of survival if they contract COVID-19, the age group of 20 to 49 a 99.98% chance, 50 to 69 years old 99.5% and 70 years old and above a 94.6% chance | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +64238 cases (now 5.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Guernsey: +5 cases (now 899), +2 deaths (now 16) since a day ago | 18:07 |
| LjL | Banban`: "more likely" than what? | 18:07 |
| LjL | pwr22: meanwhile I hear that while you don't have "passports", the UK app lets you scan QRs for events you attend, but this is already creating big disruption on work because some places have most people self-isolating after an app warning (someone I know also said it's like that at their workplace) | 18:08 |
| LjL | %cases uk | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In United Kingdom, there have been 5.5 million confirmed cases (8.2% of the population) and 128847 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 6 minutes ago. 233.4 million tests were performed (2.3% positive). United Kingdom: +64238 cases (now 5.5 million) since 23 hours ago. See https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ for data/graphs. | 18:13 |
| LjL | My bot keeps giving somewhat dubious updates on the UK | 18:13 |
| LjL | I *hope* it's not +64k just like it wasn't +80k yesterday | 18:14 |
| Banban` | wow , they cases are up | 18:14 |
| Banban` | is that the new variant | 18:15 |
| Banban` | see they are going up eventhough more and more people are getting vaccinated | 18:16 |
| LjL | It's actually around +40k Banban`, I called the command to get the link to the official government site since I'm not trusting the update number from the bot | 18:16 |
| Banban` | oh ok | 18:16 |
| LjL | Unfortunately that still means the cases are going up. Just not as much | 18:16 |
| Banban` | and hi | 18:16 |
| LjL | Hi | 18:16 |
| Banban` | dint realize it was your channel last time we chatted | 18:16 |
| Banban` | cool | 18:17 |
| LjL | Well it's my bot at least. The channel is also technically mine but it looks like whenever I do something as an op it's a bad idea so maybe I should pretend it isn't | 18:18 |
| Banban` | hehe | 18:21 |
| Banban` | happens | 18:21 |
| Banban` | work in progress | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: SC orders immediate release of Manipur activist arrested over FB post saying 'cow dung won't cure Covid' → https://is.gd/u0UEqB | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +2070 cases (now 4.3 million), +7 deaths (now 127874) since a day ago | 18:31 |
| Banban` | hosptials are able to manage covid cases much better than before | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: England Has Lifted Most Of Its COVID-19 Restrictions, Even As U.K. Cases Are Up 41%: Prime Minister Boris Johnson is in self-isolation, following close contact with the UK health secretary, who announced Saturday he had tested positive for COVID-19. Cases in the U.K. are rising fast. → https://is.gd/SBlaah | 18:38 |
| Banban` | you mean , no more masks indoors? thats not good if thats the case | 18:39 |
| specing | Something similar is probably going to happen everywhere | 18:39 |
| Banban` | yes | 18:39 |
| Banban` | not here , not yet at least | 18:39 |
| specing | The economy is above health and I'm very much surprised that we had these lockdowns at all | 18:40 |
| specing | around mid august my gov is planning to stop free testing | 18:40 |
| Banban` | where are you? | 18:40 |
| specing | Slovenia | 18:41 |
| Banban` | ok | 18:41 |
| Banban` | hopefully they will change thier mind on that | 18:41 |
| Banban` | oh ,isnt melania from slovania? | 18:41 |
| specing | she is | 18:41 |
| Banban` | ha, thought so | 18:41 |
| Banban` | cool | 18:41 |
| Banban` | specing do most slovanians like her? | 18:41 |
| Banban` | I do | 18:41 |
| specing | As Borat puts it, "she's from the shithole country of Slovenia" hahHAHAHAHA | 18:42 |
| specing | We dont | 18:42 |
| Banban` | wow , cuz of trump? | 18:42 |
| specing | no, because she's a trophy wife | 18:43 |
| Banban` | I see | 18:43 |
| Banban` | well, they been together for long time | 18:43 |
| specing | her biggest and only achievement is being married to that person | 18:43 |
| Banban` | she's a good mother, she raises baron herself | 18:43 |
| Banban` | he even speaks slovanian | 18:43 |
| Banban` | she also speakslike 6 languages | 18:43 |
| LjL | i wonder if i should bother to write "State/Province, Country" for everything in Brainstorm's new thing, or i should just accept that "Georgia" and "Georgia" will be confused | 18:44 |
| Banban` | prolly willbe, | 18:44 |
| Banban` | as a canadian, it will me | 18:44 |
| Banban` | ocuntry no needed though | 18:45 |
| Banban` | country* | 18:45 |
| specing | Banban`: idk about that, but sounds like what a normal mother would do | 18:45 |
| Banban` | specing regarding borat, i never seen anything he's in | 18:45 |
| Banban` | i agree specing | 18:45 |
| Banban` | but she could have easily got nanny's etc | 18:45 |
| specing | Banban`: we all speak like 6 languages because croatian/serbian/serbo-croatian and slovenian are similar and because we lived in the same country with them for 80 years and have a lot of workers from there | 18:46 |
| Banban` | ohh | 18:46 |
| specing | + english is mandatory from kindergarden | 18:46 |
| Banban` | didnt know | 18:46 |
| Banban` | ohh i see | 18:46 |
| Banban` | ok | 18:46 |
| specing | + most people also learn french/german in primary/highschool | 18:46 |
| Banban` | intersting | 18:46 |
| Banban` | thast good though more the better, not like the usa | 18:46 |
| Banban` | they only speak "american" LOL | 18:47 |
| specing | there's really no other option when your country has only 2M people and measures only 200 km across | 18:47 |
| Banban` | no offence | 18:47 |
| Banban` | lol specing yeah | 18:47 |
| specing | and we are highly intertwined with the german economy | 18:47 |
| Banban` | are croatians and slovanians friends or enemies? | 18:47 |
| specing | (Hitler won) | 18:47 |
| LjL | Banban`, yes | 18:47 |
| specing | Banban`: How do you define friendship between nations/countries? | 18:48 |
| Banban` | i just mean friendly with eachother | 18:48 |
| specing | yes | 18:48 |
| Banban` | oh ok nice | 18:48 |
| specing | a lot of people are related | 18:48 |
| specing | mixed nationality families | 18:49 |
| Banban` | my brother who travels the world, said he wants to go to visit croatia and that its a new hot spot for travel | 18:49 |
| Banban` | oh ok | 18:49 |
| Banban` | yeah | 18:49 |
| Banban` | are the people there mostly catholic? | 18:49 |
| specing | Croatia was always a major tourism destination, since they are blessed with many, many islands | 18:49 |
| Banban` | or protestant | 18:49 |
| Banban` | oh ok i see | 18:49 |
| Banban` | i didn't know | 18:49 |
| specing | but they are drowning with cars | 18:50 |
| Banban` | traffic you mean? | 18:50 |
| specing | in Slovenia there are a lot of cyclists everywhere, in Croatia it's mostly tourists cycling around | 18:50 |
| Banban` | I see | 18:50 |
| Banban` | like the dutch, they love thier bikes | 18:50 |
| specing | though I must admit I only have experience with hilly parts of Croatia near the coastline | 18:50 |
| Banban` | ok i see | 18:51 |
| specing | Might be better in Zagreb | 18:51 |
| specing | but idk | 18:51 |
| Banban` | ever been to north america? | 18:51 |
| specing | Banban`: I'm going to say something controversial now: croatians are catholic serbs and the bosnians are muslim serbs. Much bloodshed | 18:52 |
| specing | No and don't planning to | 18:52 |
| specing | * No and not planning to | 18:52 |
| Banban` | oh ok i see what you mean | 18:52 |
| Banban` | seems religions tend to do that | 18:52 |
| Banban` | bloodshed I mean | 18:52 |
| Banban` | one sec, door | 18:53 |
| LjL | ErrantEgo, thanks, added (although i'd like if these sites had readable link direct to the data, instead a lot of them really seem to like garbling them and only sending you to a generic "coronavirus" page... meh, whatever) | 18:54 |
| Banban` | amazon delivery | 18:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Women hardest-hit in pandemic job market, says UN labour body → https://is.gd/kUHKTS | 19:00 |
| Banban` | <specing> * No and not planning to < how come specing? | 19:00 |
| specing | mexico is a failed state, visiting USA would be supporting endless wars, exploitation and concentration camps. For canada idk -- russia is closer | 19:02 |
| Banban` | LOL | 19:03 |
| Banban` | can't compare russia with canada | 19:03 |
| specing | both are cold, so ... :P | 19:04 |
| Banban` | lol | 19:04 |
| Banban` | yeah, you'd have to come in summer | 19:04 |
| specing | Though southern canada coastline should have british climate, from what I've heard | 19:04 |
| Banban` | today its about 29c | 19:04 |
| Banban` | hmmm | 19:05 |
| Banban` | not sure about that | 19:05 |
| Banban` | unless you are on the west side | 19:05 |
| specing | maybe crimea would be the equivalent? | 19:05 |
| Banban` | im east, its always cold here in winter -30c | 19:05 |
| specing | for that | 19:05 |
| Banban` | idk much about crimea | 19:05 |
| Banban` | i know its supposed to be very nice | 19:06 |
| Banban` | i guess you meant crimea as russia | 19:06 |
| Banban` | i was thinking moscow LOL | 19:06 |
| specing | There's no other crimea right now, so yeah :) | 19:06 |
| Banban` | yeah | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: Indonesian soup kitchen brings food to Covid-19 patients stuck at home → https://is.gd/JERzgJ | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jersey: +839 cases (now 6563) since 3 days ago | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Arm band calls for those with weak immune systems - BBC News → https://is.gd/PuVdFS | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: AGENZIA ITALIANA DEL FARMACO - DETERMINA 6 luglio 2021: Classificazione, ai sensi dell'articolo 12, comma 5, della legge 8novembre 2012, n. 189, del medicinale per uso umano «Insulina AspartSanofi», approvato con procedura centralizzata. (Determina n.93/2021). (21A04262) → https://is.gd/ZVxoRy | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Singapore: +172 cases (now 63245) since a day ago | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals had two COVID jabs - adviser → https://is.gd/qApNNb | 20:44 |
| LjL | ... | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jul 19, 2021: Global COVID vaccine acceptance COVID-19 antibodies after 9 months Monkey B virus case in person → https://is.gd/L7w0le | 21:26 |
| Banban` | specing you there? | 21:26 |
| specing | yeah | 21:27 |
| Banban` | https://www.campagnolo.com/CA/en/CampyWorld/Corporate/pogacar_wins_the_2021_tour_de_france for you in case you didn't know | 21:27 |
| Banban` | but you probably do | 21:27 |
| specing | yeah, he's all over the news | 21:27 |
| Banban` | yeah no doubt | 21:27 |
| Banban` | congrats | 21:27 |
| specing | but I don't like watching sports | 21:27 |
| Banban` | he was using my fav components, campy | 21:27 |
| specing | I'm both a commuting and a recrational cyclist myself, I just don't like/do not share the happiness of others doing/winning sports | 21:28 |
| specing | recreational* | 21:28 |
| Banban` | ok specing | 21:28 |
| Banban` | not for everyone | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +61628 cases (now 4.2 million) since 3 days ago | 21:36 |
| creek | https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaccine-texas-man-dies/ | 21:57 |
| Banban` | https://kvia.com/your-voice-your-vote/texas-politics/2021/07/18/5-texas-democrats-who-fled-elections-bill-vote-now-have-covid/ | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science Daily: Novel autoantibody adds fuel to COVID-19 'firestorm' of inflammation, blood clots: Researchers have discovered another functional autoantibody in COVID-19 patients that contributes to the disease's development and the 'firestorm' of blood clots and inflammation it induces. The autoantibody makes it much harder for the body to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ep9CIs | 22:07 |
| creek | sounds cytokine-adjacent | 22:09 |
| Banban` | can we talk politics here too? | 22:12 |
| creek | thats LjL's call | 22:14 |
| ErrantEgo | LjL: sorry - thats the main link -- im not sure exactly what it is you're looking for -- if you wish, feel free to delete it from your database | 22:14 |
| creek | ##politics more active | 22:14 |
| Banban` | ok | 22:14 |
| Banban` | thnks | 22:15 |
| Banban` | i'm already in political channels, i was just curious about this channel in particular since im new | 22:15 |
| creek | i came in to spam about all the deniers dying | 22:15 |
| creek | schadenfreud, into the void | 22:15 |
| Banban` | and decided to stay? | 22:16 |
| creek | +e | 22:16 |
| ErrantEgo | this isnt a channel to troll | 22:16 |
| Banban` | creek i can assure you , that not all poeple opted out of taking the vaccine are anti vax or deniers | 22:16 |
| Banban` | and not always political too as many try to make it | 22:16 |
| Banban` | at least for me its not | 22:16 |
| creek | You just described at least half of my friends | 22:17 |
| Banban` | lol ok | 22:17 |
| creek | they're dice rollers | 22:17 |
| Banban` | nah | 22:17 |
| Banban` | unless they are very old and sickly or smokers then its not a b ig risk | 22:17 |
| creek | yes in fact | 22:17 |
| Banban` | risk of dying is like .25% | 22:17 |
| Banban` | 0.25 | 22:18 |
| creek | that's your metric | 22:18 |
| Banban` | not really | 22:18 |
| creek | yes it is | 22:18 |
| Banban` | you can look online there are many sources | 22:18 |
| Banban` | most statistics show about 98+ | 22:18 |
| Banban` | all depends also wehre in the world you are | 22:18 |
| creek | Whether the vaccine is good to take as a factor of death rates is your metric. You just applied it, just now, in here. | 22:18 |
| Banban` | lol creek | 22:19 |
| creek | Public health is not a private choice. All countries are not the same, both in response, and in health apparatus | 22:19 |
| creek | see also Beta and Delta variants | 22:19 |
| Banban` | like i said, the risk of death are very low | 22:19 |
| creek | I dont know how to explain to armchair immunologists that viruses mutate | 22:19 |
| Banban` | there are many others things that can kill you more than covid | 22:20 |
| creek | and like I said, you don't come off as intellectual | 22:20 |
| Banban` | nor do you | 22:20 |
| creek | That's because I care about public health, and you don't. | 22:20 |
| Banban` | as you said in your own words you came here to troll, your own words troll | 22:20 |
| Banban` | you're dismissed | 22:20 |
| creek | To you, public health is a private choice. | 22:20 |
| creek | I didnt say that, you did :) | 22:20 |
| Banban` | ok you said spam, same losers spam as troll | 22:21 |
| Banban` | goodbye | 22:21 |
| creek | ErrantEgo ^ | 22:21 |
| Banban` | Added creek to Ignore list >welcome to my moro* list | 22:21 |
| indoanon[m] | >not calculating excess death | 22:22 |
| creek | https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes | 22:23 |
| creek | I found one | 22:23 |
| LjL | About that earlier Reuters statistic that 60% of hospitalizations are doubly vaccinated, it was wrong: https://mobile.twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1417204565351489539 | 22:23 |
| Banban` | seems many who have been vaccinated has become like a cult , looking to go out there just looking to " spam " deniers, shows low intelligence | 22:23 |
| creek | funny, the channel anti-vaxxer is using twelve99 | 22:24 |
| creek | Pretty powerful backdrop for a backwoods moron. Maybe he knows what he's doing | 22:24 |
| creek | short traces on three routes, this guy's near an AS | 22:25 |
| creek | Banban` correlates getting vaccinated with low intelligence | 22:25 |
| Banban` | many like to talk studies and proof etc but when it comes to thier god, all common sense and proof goes out the window LOL | 22:25 |
| creek | Is this against the network guidelines? | 22:26 |
| creek | Let's ask staff. | 22:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: China reports first human death from rare Monkey B virus → https://is.gd/Ot5Jon | 22:27 |
| creek | Staff says Banban` is good | 22:29 |
| creek | Time to fuck with him | 22:29 |
| creek | Welcome to the Wild West | 22:29 |
| LjL | creek, whoever you are, you have rudely interrupted my dinner, somehow expecting that i'm overarchingly here to see what is going on, and alerted staff for likely no particular reason. so, bye. | 22:29 |
| LjL | autorejoin too, how lovely | 22:30 |
| phantomcircuit | is there any actual data available on the risk of death/hospitalization for people vaccinated with pfizer/moderna by age group? | 22:56 |
| Banban` | hi phantomcircuit | 22:58 |
| Banban` | are you vaccinated? | 22:59 |
| Banban` | we need to see your covid passport | 22:59 |
| LjL | okay so aside from that individual | 23:01 |
| LjL | what's up with you Banban` | 23:01 |
| Banban` | well, i'm off this week ,vacation | 23:02 |
| Banban` | so i'm just chilling a bit | 23:02 |
| Banban` | i usually work from home | 23:02 |
| Banban` | you? | 23:02 |
| LjL | ErrantEgo, no worries, you didn't add it to any database, i added it manually, the command just sends me a message. i added it because you *can* click on the thing that leads to the full data, but that thing has an ugly long URL full of digits. i'm just annoyed that many country/state dashboards are like that | 23:02 |
| ErrantEgo | right | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Isle of Man: +238 cases (now 2545) since a day ago — British Virgin Islands: +3 deaths (now 17) since a day ago | 23:03 |
| ErrantEgo | %cases michigan | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | ErrantEgo: In Michigan, United States, there have been 1.0 million confirmed cases (10.1% of the population) and 21109 deaths (2.1% of cases) as of 2 days ago. 2.5 million tests were performed (39.8% positive). See https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/ for data/graphs. | 23:03 |
| ErrantEgo | thats just the main website from michigan's website | 23:03 |
| ErrantEgo | as far as a direct website (showing the number of cases etc), idk | 23:03 |
| Banban` | I sure miss kissing my female friends and hugging them | 23:05 |
| Banban` | where im from , its common, but not anymore | 23:06 |
| Banban` | ty vm covid | 23:06 |
| LjL | ErrantEgo, basically the magic phrase is "See cumulative data" but it takes me to https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163_98173---,00.html and ew, i don't want to link to that | 23:06 |
| LjL | but that's a shame because under "cumulative data" a lot of more interesting stuff hides | 23:07 |
| LjL | like "wastewater surveillance" | 23:07 |
| ErrantEgo | right | 23:07 |
| ErrantEgo | heh | 23:07 |
| LjL | Banban`, i'm alright but i would have been better if that guy didn't make a fuss out of things while i was trying to have dinner | 23:07 |
| LjL | anyway just for the record here is what i said regarding anti-vax stuff when he inquired | 23:07 |
| Banban` | hehe, yeah, how rude! | 23:08 |
| Banban` | i din't want to fight, so i had to put him on ignore not to respond | 23:08 |
| LjL | <LjL> For the information of anyone who is interested in the above: the COVID channel I run generally engages with people who are vaccine hesitant on the basis that they have a reason to be and that we should reassure them using data and logic. People who are blatantly pushing "manufactured" information will eventually be banned, but usually not while I'm having dinner and someone interrupts that in such a way | 23:08 |
| LjL | as to politics, my general guideline has been that politics related to COVID is okay as long as no name calling and general yelling around | 23:09 |
| Banban` | ok sure | 23:09 |
| Banban` | i dont know much about uk politics | 23:09 |
| LjL | i think management of COVID is inextricable from the politics of it | 23:10 |
| ErrantEgo | LjL: go back to your dinner. hope that jackass didn't make your meal go cold ;x | 23:10 |
| Banban` | hi ErrantEgo | 23:10 |
| LjL | ErrantEgo, i'm done, i only wasted enough time to come here to ban him and to make that "for the record" statement in #l :P | 23:10 |
| LjL | and, well, initially trying to understand what the heck was going on to begin with | 23:10 |
| ErrantEgo | i'm trying to find the lowest monthly payment for my mom's cable bill | 23:11 |
| LjL | he also tried to PM me and then when he saw i was +g he used an unrelated channel we have in common to tell me that "banban is antivax" | 23:11 |
| LjL | that's totally going to win my sympathy | 23:11 |
| * LjL nods | 23:11 | |
| ErrantEgo | they love to nickel and dime the hell outta ya | 23:11 |
| LjL | cable doesn't exist around here, and unfortunately changing fiber/ADSL provider is quite the chore | 23:12 |
| Banban` | oh, just read that, i'm not anti vaxx | 23:13 |
| Banban` | withouth vaccines live expectancy would be much loser | 23:14 |
| Banban` | lower* | 23:14 |
| LjL | right, my understanding is you don't think this particular vaccine is worth the risk for you | 23:14 |
| LjL | there are many facets that could be debated on, but until governments decide it's mandatory it seems like it follows that it's your right to determine it isn't for you | 23:14 |
| LjL | may seem a bit of a tautology | 23:15 |
| Banban` | LjL, its not worth the risk right now for me, I have never said i' not going to take it , i'm just on the fence | 23:16 |
| LjL | fair point, time is also a variable | 23:17 |
| oerheks | The vaccine sounds not like a big issue to me, only the trend of mixing them makes me shivver. | 23:17 |
| Banban` | im still very cautious, always wear masks, clean hands etc | 23:17 |
| Banban` | keep distance | 23:17 |
| Banban` | its not like im some cowboy doing whatever i like | 23:17 |
| LjL | oerheks, i understand the feeling but at some point we're going to "mix" inevitably, since it's clear by now we'll need periodic boosters (probably for particular variants)... so better start the studying on mixing asap | 23:18 |
| LjL | Banban`, well, i don't share your perspective on that, but so far the cowboy attitude seemed to come from the party who wanted you banbanned :P | 23:18 |
| Banban` | i dont want to be a walking chemical bank | 23:18 |
| oerheks | Agreed, also how long does this J&J shot work.. | 23:18 |
| Banban` | lol | 23:18 |
| Banban` | oerheks i doubt they really know | 23:18 |
| LjL | oerheks, i dunno, J&J might be somewhat weak... or it might not. but a vague understanding i have is that second doses of vaccines are often intended to provide *lasting* immunity as opposed to just waning immunity | 23:19 |
| LjL | indeed they don't know longer term than 8 months or so | 23:19 |
| Banban` | LjL i must say, you are very open minded | 23:20 |
| Banban` | based on 2 visits i been here | 23:20 |
| LjL | i am known to sound patients until i completely flip out | 23:21 |
| Banban` | i always get along with the english | 23:21 |
| Banban` | lol LjL | 23:21 |
| LjL | i took my vaccine, but i'm not *so* young anymore, and i want to interact with my older family (who got AZ because they couldn't choose) | 23:22 |
| Banban` | yes, i know what you mean, i think of that too | 23:22 |
| LjL | i think even for younger people, perhaps especially with Delta although it's early to say for certain, the risk of hospitalization and death is higher than for common things like influenza. in particular i am concerned with whatever people mean by "long COVID", it does seem to cripple the life of people in a way that's sad. if a vaccine gives me a solid chance to avoid that, i'd rather take it | 23:23 |
| Banban` | but my mother got covid last year, was asymptomatic,but lost her taste , took months to come back, so i still wear ppe when I visit her , if she had not had covid alrady i would take the vaxx | 23:23 |
| Banban` | i know what you mean | 23:23 |
| LjL | did she have a vaccine herself? at least a single shot, that should still be beneficial | 23:24 |
| Banban` | to behonest, i did get online last week to see what it looks like to register for a vaccine,but i was unable to go through with it at this point | 23:24 |
| LjL | sadly it *is* possible to get COVID twice especially with variants | 23:24 |
| Banban` | no , she did not take any vaccine | 23:24 |
| Banban` | she will though | 23:24 |
| LjL | even "just" losing smell/taste is not something i'd call asymptomatic. some people find that very bothersome, and even if they don't they may end up eating less without realizing, and losing weight, which may be good in some cases but in general it's not | 23:25 |
| Banban` | her and i spoke with her dr. , he said we can wait | 23:25 |
| Banban` | most of her taste is back, and thankfully she had nothing else | 23:26 |
| Banban` | but at frist, yes, she did lose weight | 23:26 |
| Banban` | she's only about 120 pounds and dropped to 110 but so she took some high protein and vitamin meal repalcements she liked | 23:26 |
| LjL | good idea | 23:27 |
| LjL | unfortunately for some people the smell/taste alterations don't even just mean they *don't* smell/taste, but instead, that most everything smells/tastes unpleasant, like rotten eggs, or similar | 23:27 |
| Banban` | well... for my mother , at one point everything tasted bad | 23:28 |
| Banban` | water tasted sour | 23:28 |
| Banban` | the water had to be super cold for her to drink it and even then | 23:29 |
| * LjL shudders | 23:29 | |
| Banban` | but believe it or not, she was able to drink cranberry juice the whole time | 23:29 |
| LjL | my mom is already very picky with food and sensitive to bad smells | 23:29 |
| Banban` | oh | 23:29 |
| LjL | she might skip a meal just because she smelled something bad before | 23:29 |
| LjL | i imagine if she got this kind of thing... | 23:29 |
| Banban` | oh ok, thats not easy | 23:30 |
| LjL | and she weighs 46kg | 23:30 |
| Banban` | oh she's not heavy at all | 23:30 |
| Banban` | you dont want her losing any weight | 23:30 |
| LjL | no, she was on the verge of anorexia when she was younger | 23:30 |
| Banban` | oh wow | 23:30 |
| Banban` | so i guess 46kg is good considering | 23:30 |
| LjL | honestly i hope both of them can get an mRNA booster soon, despite the potential dangers of "mixing" | 23:30 |
| Banban` | they been mixing in canada | 23:31 |
| LjL | i never particularly liked AZ | 23:31 |
| Banban` | so refuse it | 23:31 |
| Banban` | i will only take phizer when i do | 23:31 |
| LjL | they've been doing it in Germany, Italy... to various extents in various ways | 23:31 |
| LjL | Banban`, they've already taken it | 23:31 |
| LjL | i've had Pfizer, ironically | 23:31 |
| Banban` | ok | 23:31 |
| Banban` | no one wants astrazeneca | 23:31 |
| LjL | if they refused it they'd end at the bottom of the list | 23:31 |
| Banban` | not here | 23:31 |
| LjL | that's not really true, many people were eager to get AZ | 23:31 |
| Banban` | now you can even walk in and get a vaxx i read | 23:31 |
| Banban` | wow | 23:31 |
| Banban` | not here | 23:31 |
| LjL | i mean, most people did prefer Pfizer/Moderna given the data on efficacy (which is endlessly debatable) and later the thrombosis-related debacle | 23:32 |
| Banban` | oh i see | 23:32 |
| Banban` | idk so much info out there | 23:32 |
| LjL | but they even more wanted to get vaccinated, including with AZ if that was what they were offered | 23:32 |
| LjL | the way it works in general is if you *refuse* the vaccine you're offered, you end up at the very end of the list | 23:33 |
| Banban` | ok | 23:33 |
| LjL | that is not great, all citizens should be equal, but reality won... but so i at least hope that they will be given a booster with some priority, given their age and the arguably poor performance of AZ | 23:34 |
| Banban` | idk | 23:34 |
| Banban` | do you live near london? | 23:34 |
| LjL | i don't know why you have the impression i'm from the UK, but i'm in the EU :P | 23:35 |
| Banban` | i think i ask every english person that LOL | 23:35 |
| Banban` | ohhh ok my error | 23:35 |
| Banban` | hehe | 23:35 |
| LjL | i live in Lombardy, where you might have heard there was initially a little problem with COVID | 23:35 |
| Banban` | see , in the eu there are so many people and countries that risks are higher | 23:35 |
| Banban` | italy, nice | 23:36 |
| Banban` | no i did not hear | 23:36 |
| LjL | well so far the UK has bred two nasty variants *first* :P | 23:36 |
| Banban` | lol they have! those bastards! | 23:36 |
| Banban` | lol joking | 23:36 |
| LjL | Banban`, it's the first place that had a COVID outbreak outside of China | 23:36 |
| Banban` | ohhh yes | 23:36 |
| Banban` | sorry to hear that | 23:37 |
| Raf[m] | it's funny how we can't use the term "wuhan virus" but media all reported it as the "UK variant" | 23:37 |
| Banban` | but i hear that many italians dont want to get vaxxed | 23:37 |
| Banban` | good point Raf[m] | 23:37 |
| Banban` | thats pathetic | 23:37 |
| LjL | Raf[m], well to be fair the WHO has worked to make us call them all "Greek letter variants" | 23:38 |
| LjL | they must hate Greece | 23:38 |
| Banban` | yes,i bitched about that here couple of days ago | 23:38 |
| Banban` | the greek letters | 23:38 |
| LjL | Banban`, last stat i heard (which was a while ago) was that 16% didn't want the vaccine, which doesn't sound like outrageously many to me | 23:38 |
| Banban` | oh thats not bad at all | 23:38 |
| LjL | Banban`, but to be fair again, i very much prefer saying Delta over saying B.1.617.2 (i hope i still remember it right though) | 23:39 |
| Banban` | lol | 23:39 |
| * Banban` brb | 23:39 | |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: A 22% surge in US coronavirus deaths is hitting unvaccinated people hardest. Experts worry about the long-term effects for vaccinated people, too. "disease experts worry about breakthrough cases in the elderly or immunocompromised." → https://is.gd/bUBXpq | 23:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Burundi: +92 cases (now 5894) since 2 days ago | 23:40 |
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