libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-08-20

lastshellhttps://gizmodo.com/sars-survivors-vaccinated-against-covid-19-may-have-sup-1847517837/amp00:14
lastshellmaybe a super plasma ^00:15
nixonixhow many did they try to get reinfected with sars1?00:27
nixonixyeah they have some immune cells specific to sars1, but they were saying:00:27
nixonixOne promising implication from this research, for instance, is that natural infection from SARS-CoV-2 could provide years, even decades, of long-lived immunity for most survivors—something seen in survivors of SARS.00:28
nixonixwe just discussed on this here on june or july00:29
nixonixof 202000:29
BrainstormUpdates for Curacao: +51 cases (now 14802), +1 deaths (now 136), +2225 tests (now 218388) since a day ago00:32
Trippy72894Does a vaccinated person who gets delta still produce and shed as much virus?00:36
Trippy72894as much as an unvaccinated person?00:36
nixonixviral load in upper respiratory is similar according to one study during the first 6 days, but then decreases much faster in vaccinated00:45
Trippy72894thank you!00:45
nixonixbut theres some evidence that they would infect less, and probably they have less viable virions. but thats just my opinnion00:45
nixonix*transmit less00:45
Trippy72894thank you again00:45
Trippy72894you mean infect fewer people?00:46
Trippy72894or the infection is less severe?00:46
nixonixsomebody could link that study on similar viral loads? or remember the title00:46
LjLnixonix, the thing lastshell posted now is about people who had SARS-1 and who are given a COVID vaccine. it appears they develop antibodies that work against a wide class of coronaviruses00:46
nixonix.title https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/142187428939819418700:47
Brainstormnixonix: From twitter.com: Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing): "💡VIRAL LOAD of vaccinated versus unvaccinated #DeltaVariant who were hospitalized—2 keys findings: 📌93% lower risk of needing O2 📌 Faster drop in viral load in [...]00:47
LjLit's not about *just* SARS-1 giving you "super antibodies"00:47
nixonixtheres the link to study in that tweet00:47
Trippy72894thank you!00:47
nixonixmy comment about that article was just that they said it so like it was proved that sars1 infection would give you long lasting immunity vs reinfection (when its not)00:48
Trippy72894understood, thank you.00:49
nixonixand didnt comment any other points in the article (i think the article was about the study i linked earlier here)00:49
nixonixTrippy72894 no, i only answered to ljl with those 2 comments00:50
Trippy72894ah ok00:50
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: A break from covid...In the new issue @TheLancet, I had the privilege of working with @DrLesterColl on the #AI revolution in radiation oncology that is taking holdhttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01798-0/fulltext → https://is.gd/SbcLTR00:50
lastshellI also saw some knews about airlines banning regular cloth masks only n95/kn95 allowed in some https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/airlines-banning-fabric-face-mask-coverings01:00
lastshellI also saw some knews about airlines banning regular cloth masks only n95/kn95 allowed in some https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/airlines-banning-fabric-face-mask-coverings01:00
nixonixabout that viral load study, not sure of both cohorts were comparable, because breakthrough group was "significantly older"01:01
lastshellty for clarify LjL the super antibodies01:02
nixonixbut there is other evidence with somewhat reduced transmission, maybe more than just effect of reducing after 6 days because most infections happen faster. so maybe less viable virons when vaccinated then01:02
nixonixi think it was in that uk gov sites table of 3 studies, that ljl found (reduced transmission, by something like 40%. but for sure less chance to get infected in the first place, when vaccinated)01:05
LjLi think that was probably before Delta though... 1/2 or so reduced transmission in households?01:06
lastshellI saw articles about lambda but there are like not consistent, some said can be more lethal others said is less01:06
nixonix.title https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/142844792477470721501:07
Brainstormnixonix: From twitter.com: Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing): "Three U.S. senators tested positive for #COVID19SL despite being vaccinated. GOP Senator Roger Wicker of Mississippi, independent Angus King of Maine and Democrat John [...]01:07
lastshellI know news sites maybe are not the best to gather medical information01:07
lastshellwhat is the deal with lambda still to early to know ?01:07
nixonixthat gizmo article had a link to the study in nejm01:07
nixonixwhat was lambda again?01:08
LjLlastshell, i'd say we really don't know because of lack of enough data/studying, but i also think if lambda had the chance to outcompete Delta, it would already have done it. then again, further mutations are always possible01:08
LjL%variant lambda01:08
BrainstormLjL, That variant may also be called: C.37, 21G(Lambda)01:08
nixonixmeaning prob nothing to worry too much, unless its high prevalence on your area01:08
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Raf[m]<nixonix> ".title https://twitter.com/..." <- Caveat is that it's a preprint and some fairly compelling critiques in the comments01:10
nixonixthat viral load article?01:10
nixonixi read the discussion now, and the critique seems to be on the tail with higher ct cycles. when that part when cyles are low, are similar (but doesnt prove the share of viable virions)01:19
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: Take notice of an effective defense against Delta.One of the highest per cent fully vaccinated cities in the US— 70% of the population (higher than Israel, UK, Canada) —achieves a turnaround 👏👏 → https://is.gd/S7vv4L01:23
nixonix.title https://twitter.com/KaileyTracy/status/142837026193441588101:37
Brainstormnixonix: From twitter.com: Kailey Tracy (@KaileyTracy): "NEW: COJ confirms picture was taken at downtown library monoclonal antibody center yesterday. Woman who posted picture to Reddit says her husband took it, saw people [...]01:37
nixonix.title https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/142838842023000064901:46
Brainstormnixonix: From twitter.com: Derek Thompson (@DKThomp): "Great chart of how the perceived decline in vaccine effectiveness might be driven, largely or in part, by Simpson's Paradox* *ie: in which efficacy vs. hospitalization for [...]01:46
nixonixthats why you need to compare matched cohorts01:46
nixonixthis is what they are doing in finland:01:48
nixonix.title https://twitter.com/itosettiMD_MBA/status/142844578124204032301:48
Brainstormnixonix: From twitter.com: Irene Tosetti (@itosettiMD_MBA): "Total nonsense in Geneva 'no weekly testing of children' 'we accept a certain viral spread in school' 'we don't wanna be strict with schools when we are unable to [...]01:48
nixonixwait, that was in italy? they too, why?01:49
LjLet tu italia01:49
LjLwait, Geneva is in Switzerland01:50
nixonixhmm, pretty sure columbus left from genavo01:51
nixonix.title https://apnews.com/article/business-health-education-coronavirus-pandemic-71e1690faa4f260edfd29451b1ccf4a501:51
Brainstormnixonix: From apnews.com: Record delta wave hits kids, raises fear as US schools open01:51
LjLGenoa != Geneva01:51
nixonixwhatever, they are all the same to me01:52
LjLconfusion not helped by the fact that in Italian, Genoa is Genova01:52
nixonixi dont remember anything about that tomorrow01:52
nixonixwont01:52
LjLyou'll be able to find it in the logs in only 10 minutes01:52
nixonixno logs, web client01:53
LjLhttps://is.gd/xpld3l ← logs01:53
lastshellhttps://theconversation.com/amp/the-impact-of-covid-19-has-been-lower-in-africa-we-explore-the-reasons-16495501:58
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lastshellhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/05/16/406459044/what-if-americans-ate-like-south-africans-and-vice-versa01:59
LjL"The problem is that the Westernized diet is delicious, easy and fast. It fits into the modern lifestyle," says O'Keefe.02:19
LjLAs countries like South Africa, India and Mexico grow wealthier, their diets tend to shift. "Nowadays, if you go to the big cities in South Africa," he says, "you can see KFC's all over the place."02:19
LjLbut there is an interesting comparison i think to be made with Japan, where, sure, MacDonalds' abound too, and their version of "western" sweets are even more outrageously sweet02:19
LjLbut on the other hand it remains probably the one wealthy country with the lowest average calorie intake02:20
LjLand i don't think it can be said that Japan's enrichment is a "recent" phenomenon so it just needs to catch up or something (although, sadly, it might)02:20
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Raf[m]I think it's short sighted to lump all Americans together for diet, the country is big enough and diverse enough, even at the most course level the north and south have vastly different diets and cooking methods from each other02:37
Raf[m]the US is also one of the few countries where poorer are obese and wealthier & educated are healthier weight02:38
dTalAhem. So I'm hearing on the grapevine that yuriwho was found dead the other day.02:41
dTalHe was a regular of here and ##coronavirus, when we were on Freenode.02:43
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Spec_dTal: :(03:05
Spec_dTal: how reputable of a source?03:05
LjLdamn03:09
LjLi was thinking about him a couple of days ago, wondering how we could contact him and tell him we're here03:09
LjLi guess it's just gotten a lot harder ;(03:10
hako9Has anyone here gotten j&j jab?03:12
BrainstormNew from Virology.ws: Are COVID-19 vaccine boosters needed?: The US Centers for Disease Control have concluded that a third dose of COVID-19 vaccine will be needed for protection against disease, but the science says otherwise. A review of the immune responses to infection will help explain why vaccine boosters are not needed. The graph below shows the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ir9D1c03:30
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: Updated Oregon Delta wave data are informative of  impact of vaccination and breakthrough infections—Breakthrough cases went up 7-fold from a low baseline—Unvaccinated cases went up >8-fold—The absolute relative benefit of vaccination markedly [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Q3C4Yj03:40
lastshellinjabe a friend  who took jnj hako9 male 40s no some reaction but all good04:01
lastshell(sorry using phone keyboard)04:01
hako9ok...good to know04:02
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate → https://is.gd/bZzUJ104:13
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Mississippi: Nursing shortage leads MSDH to authorize paramedics and EMTs to care for patients at hospitals → https://is.gd/xvn1nV04:34
lastshellhako9 there are some issue with the jnj some nervious reactions04:41
lastshellhttps://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome04:42
twomoonthere's a nursing shortage because earlier in the pandemic they laid off nurses04:48
twomoonnurses decided to go do other stuff04:49
twomoonugh04:49
lastshellonlyfans04:49
lastshellbut that will change in october maybe some comeback to nursing homes04:49
LjL...04:51
twomoonnurses are quitting in droves to become doctors probably04:55
twomoonor live-in chefs04:55
twomoonor just moving to italy04:55
twomoonbuying up those $1 houses04:55
lastshellhonestly I don't blame those nursers or doctors who quit or quitting with the current situation04:56
lastshellno matter how tough you are, many deaths in a row creates a rift in your soul04:59
lastshellI think soon will be 4.5M deaths04:59
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BrainstormNew from BMJ: If data save lives, consent saves data and data donation: The key message of the ministerial foreword of the “Data saves lives” policy paper is that the power of data are critical in responses to the pandemic.1 This is true, but consent and the use of... → https://is.gd/ebnqcV10:35
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BrainstormNew from StatNews: Opinion: Look to nurses to help accelerate the transformation of health care: While everyone longs for a restoration of pre-Covid life, a return to business as usual would be a misstep for nursing and for U.S. health care. → https://is.gd/cnAJji10:57
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BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Tokyo Paralympics to be held amid ‘very difficult’ COVID-19 surge, organizers warn | 20AUG21 → https://is.gd/LNjqGr11:18
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BrainstormNew from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: Incredibly disappointing & nonsensical - & particularly perplexing given the critical role preprints have played in the current pandemic.Ridiculous that scientists might be forced out of academia for comprehensively citing work relevant to their expertise. → https://is.gd/yGbHYl12:01
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BrainstormNew from ScienceNews: ‘Ghost games’ spotlight the psychological effect fans have on referees: Soccer teams won fewer games and received more fouls when playing at home during the 2019–2020 season, when many fans were absent, than before the pandemic. → https://is.gd/jpXIFj12:12
ublx^ LjL12:15
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK approves rollout of ‘first of its kind’ Covid antibody treatment → https://is.gd/6uqkJ812:33
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Covid-antibody therapy approved in UK: Antibody therapy - given to former US President Donald Trump - can now be used in the UK. → https://is.gd/Anqk8N13:05
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BrainstormNew from ECDC: Data on the daily number of new reported COVID-19 cases and deaths by EU/EEA country: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. Each row/entry contains the number of new cases and deaths reported per day and per country in the EU/EEA. → https://is.gd/tBASDi14:52
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Newborn baby dies after Covid-positive mother refused emergency care, forced to give birth at home (Japan) → https://is.gd/yqCsR215:03
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BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: A Plan for Booster Doses, Pediatric Hospitalizations Rates Going Up: The US federal government announces plans for mRNA COVID-19 vaccine booster doses, and children and teens are getting hospitalized for the virus. → https://is.gd/ouC54e15:24
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BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: When there's 93,000 covid patients in US hospitals, it's hard to find any good news. A hint here. → https://is.gd/cezdc715:56
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vietnam to deploy troops, issues stay-home order as COVID-19 deaths spiral → https://is.gd/tpWo2H16:18
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: How to understand the fundamental mechanism, at the atomic level, of #SARSCoV2 entry and infection?https://www.nature.com/articles/s41557-021-00758-3It took supercomputer-movies to determine that a glycan gate is essential for the spike to open and achieve cell entry  @Terrasztain @RommieAmaro @ltchong → https://is.gd/IqyiKp16:39
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: "Mississippi, the unhealthiest, poorest, least-educated state in the nation"—@williams_paige @NewYorker The pandemic that laid bare US health inequities continues in its vaccination phase. And it's tragic.https://www.newyorker.com/news/us-journal/mississippis-hospital-system-is-rapidly-approaching-statewide-failurehttps://is.gd/wL53lK16:50
BrainstormNew from LitCovid: (news): Neutrophil count predicts clinical outcome in hospitalized covid-19 patients: Results from the NOR-Solidarity trial. → https://is.gd/Xsh8p217:11
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Lung Structure-Function In SurVivors of Mild and SEvere COVID-19 Infection: 129Xe MRI → https://is.gd/yeqH4l17:22
LjLhttps://twitter.com/Fiona_M_Russell/status/1428697953762377731 and also https://twitter.com/iahphx/status/1428714813585301511 which is a reply to that... "this is simply not a childhood disease". compare with, for example. https://twitter.com/GYamey/status/1422313929087324161 "It has become very clear that children are heavily impacted"17:53
LjLwhich can't even experts vaguely agree on the data?17:54
LjLor at least not draw opposite conclusions, like i could understand them saying "well, in the US, blah blah blah, while in the UK it's that ..."17:54
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Philippine Trial to Determine Efficacy and Safety of Favipiravir for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/OeFjNH17:54
LjLSpec_, ↑17:54
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +36987 cases (now 6.4 million), +890149 tests (now 260.9 million) since 15 hours ago — Kosovo: +2250 cases (now 125348), +4 deaths (now 2307) since a day ago — Montenegro: +634 cases (now 108742), +1 deaths (now 1663) since a day ago — Norway: +418 cases (now 147476) since 12 hours ago18:08
LjLwell, that Dave Rogers is not an expert but a sheer denialist based on his account. but then he's just piling onto what Fiona Russell said18:12
Jbwncsterhttps://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/568660-federal-judge-blocks-kentucky-governors-school-mask-mandate18:12
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Feelings: Dating in the pandemic: Tinder trends suggest Gen Z seeks more honesty, physical intimacy → https://is.gd/bb9wJB18:15
lastshellhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why18:44
BrainstormNew from NPR: Nicole Kidman Got An Exemption To Hong Kong's Quarantine: The government said it granted the exemption to the actress "for the purpose of performing designated professional work." Some Hong Kong lawmakers criticized the decision as unfair. → https://is.gd/6zyhj418:58
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: us: Short COVID-19 Hospitals Stays May Results in Long-Term Health and Financial Impacts → https://is.gd/X407Ev19:09
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BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: The evidence that supports Delta breakthrough infections ability to spread (and why fully vaccinated people need to 😷 up)https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/evidence-mounts-that-people-with-breakthrough-infections-can-spread-delta-easily @NatGeo by @Ecquis w/ studies and input by @GuptaR_lab and @KasenRiemersma → https://is.gd/tVXBwA19:31
BrainstormUpdates for Albania: +535 cases (now 138132), +2 deaths (now 2475), +6173 tests (now 992290) since 23 hours ago19:35
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: What works to reduce #SARSCoV2 aerosol transmission in schools?Opening windows: 14-fold decreaseSurgical face masks: 8-fold decrease[Natural ventilation, face masks, HEPA filtration]: ≥ 30-fold decreaseDetails here, preprinthttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.17.21262169v1https://is.gd/wpcX9A19:52
BrainstormUpdates for Ireland: +2098 cases (now 333304) since 23 hours ago — Iraq: +6121 cases (now 1.8 million), +67 deaths (now 20025), +30435 tests (now 13.9 million) since a day ago20:00
LjL<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Over 60% of COVID patients (in Tokyo) denied hospitalization → https://is.gd/GGscPA20:15
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: New strategies could boost COVID vaccination in underserved: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Aug 20, 2021 A modeling study shows that risk-based vaccine allocation strategies may be most effective. → https://is.gd/tepLWw20:25
BrainstormNew from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: R to @profshanecrotty: The authors also tried to deal with the timing of vaccinations, but I don't think the analyses provide insights here, since the UK has shifted between 12 week and 8 week schedules, as again noted by Prof Bird. https://bit.ly/3sAeqd8https://is.gd/GVJka120:35
BrainstormUpdates for Turkey: +6430 cases (now 6.2 million), +292538 tests (now 73.3 million) since 22 hours ago — France: +85 deaths (now 113222) since 22 hours ago20:37
BrainstormNew from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: New reports on interferon (IFN) and Covid-191. IFN Auto-antibodies in ~14% of patients w/ critical Covid, and are present pre-Covid, increasing with age (>6% for over age 80)https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/6/62/eabl4340 @SciImmunology → https://is.gd/C4yzB720:46
BrainstormNew from WebMD: No Lasting Lung Damage After Full Recovery From COVID-19: New research finds those who've had COVID-19 and had lung problems will likely be spared long-term respiratory damage. → https://is.gd/LUpwIs20:57
BrainstormUpdates for North Macedonia: +2 deaths (now 5610), +7571 tests (now 1.1 million) since 22 hours ago21:02
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Aug 20, 2021: COVID-19 vs flu in kids COVID symptoms post-hospital Disparities in excess COVID deaths → https://is.gd/DE4sz621:39
BrainstormUpdates for Laos: +440 cases (now 11753), +2 deaths (now 11) since a day ago — Yemen: +47 cases (now 7454), +1 deaths (now 1415) since a day ago21:40
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Andy Becker: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://is.gd/bnKPpU21:50
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Andy Becker: Aivita Biomedical Inc: AV-COVID-19 → https://is.gd/qrWy9m22:01
BrainstormUpdates for Burundi: +250 cases (now 10448) since 2 days ago22:04
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BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: New strategies could boost COVID-19 vaccination in underserved: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Aug 20, 2021 A modeling study shows that risk-based vaccine allocation may be most effective. → https://is.gd/2dz2gm22:22
BrainstormUpdates for Eswatini: +791 cases (now 39530), +11 deaths (now 984) since a day ago — Germany: +6431 cases (now 3.9 million) since 23 hours ago — Togo: +264 cases (now 18869), +4419 tests (now 442360) since a day ago — Canada: +2622 cases (now 1.5 million) since 23 hours ago22:29
twomoondoes zotero have a discussion section where certain ppl can add their two cents?23:25
BrainstormUpdates for Ethiopia: +1006 cases (now 293737), +21 deaths (now 4539) since a day ago — Spain: +12450 cases (now 4.8 million), +132 deaths (now 83136) since a day ago23:31
LjLtwomoon, yes23:35
LjLtwomoon, remove the /library part from the URL and you'll get to where you can create a discussion23:35
LjLnot terribly intuitive, but you have it23:36
twomoonwonderful23:36
LjLbut then again, we can also discuss it here :P23:36
twomoonyes of course just curious about it23:36
LjLso far my general rule for adding things to zotero has been: they don't need to be "very big" things like i felt they needed to be on github, but they need to be of general interest and not technical to the point that i don't even understand the abstract (putting "i" as the determiner is a bit arbitrary, but, literally, if i can't understand their significance, i cannot determine whether they belong)23:37
LjLbut i'm definitely just starting to tune what i feel should be in zotero, it's all kind of an experiment23:37
twomoonyou're a genius in so many ways ljl23:42
LjLthat's false, but thanks23:43
twomoonit looks like zotero has permissions23:52
LjLtwomoon, you do need an account. it doesn't let you discuss in the group if you aren't a member?23:52
twomoonnot sure. is forums the only place for discussion?23:54
twomooni'm confused now23:55
twomoonhow do we discuss things? you said just remove '/library'23:55
twomoonso that just takes us to '/covid_links' ?23:55
LjLtwomoon, right, if you go to https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid_links/ you should see the "recently added items" (plus the RSS feed that the bot here uses), and down below, not very prominent, there is a "New discussion" button23:56
LjLi really don't know if you need to be a member of the group. i obviously am one, and haven't made a secondary account to see what happens if i'm not :P23:57
LjLanyhow i'm open to adding others to the group. i'm not sure if it's possible to add people in a read-only way so they can discuss but not mess with the links23:58
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The F.D.A. is aiming to give full approval to Pfizer’s Covid vaccine on Monday. → https://is.gd/PjZQQn23:58
twomoonoh ok. i think i need to make an account and log in to be able to see that link. thanks23:58
LjLquite likely23:59
LjLcan't leave anonymous comments for sure23:59

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