| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +9673 cases (now 34.4 million), +438 deaths (now 461827) since 16 hours ago | 00:02 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Unvaccinated Texans 40 times as likely to die of covid as those fully vaccinated in 2021. The study also found that the unvaccinated in all age groups were 45 times more likely to have a coronavirus infection than fully vaccinated people → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qqf9hk/unvaccinated_texans_40_times_as_likely_to_die_of/ | 00:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | Hmm, looks like the results were a tiny bit lower but substantially similar even for those who took it within 5 days | 00:19 |
| de-facto | one advantage of an oral drug is that risk maybe can be given them at their location potentially even as preemptive measure, e.g. imagine there is an outbreak in an elderly home, as soon as its detected everyone could be given a pill that binds no more resources than those required for its production and delivery (but not hospital personnel) | 00:23 |
| de-facto | *risk groups maybe can be given them at their location | 00:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: I guess that also depends on the incidence of adverse effects. It's very different to give something to someone who *has* COVID and that has overwhelming efficacy against it, and another thing to give it to someone who doesn't, if it can have serious side effects. I'm only glancing at the press release now. Do you feel this uses a safer mechanism in principle from Molnupiravir? I seem to remember you were quite wary of that one | 00:25 |
| de-facto | yes definitely an important point, hence also a question on how specific the impact of a drug is limited to its target | 00:26 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Pfizer’s Novel COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Treatment Candidate Reduced Risk of Hospitalization or Death by 89% in Interim Analysis of Phase 2/3 EPIC-HR Study | Pfizer ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/CP3AVJ42 ) | 00:27 | |
| de-facto | LjL-Matrix, well blocking the main protease of SARS-CoV-2 (and hopefully only that...) sounds better than "faking" a fundamental building block of RNA to introduce a fatal error cascade into it | 00:28 |
| de-facto | .title https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir | 00:29 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From en.wikipedia.org: Molnupiravir - Wikipedia | 00:29 |
| de-facto | "Molnupiravir is a prodrug of the synthetic nucleoside derivative N4-hydroxycytidine (also called EIDD-1931), and exerts its antiviral action through introduction of copying errors during viral RNA replication." | 00:29 |
| de-facto | .title https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PF-07321332 | 00:29 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From en.wikipedia.org: PF-07321332 - Wikipedia | 00:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: Wikipedia says the drug was created for influenza, so I'm not sure it's *only* SARS-COV-2 | 00:29 |
| de-facto | "PF-07321332 is an antiviral drug developed by Pfizer which acts as an orally active 3CL protease inhibitor. It is a covalent inhibitor, binding directly to the catalytic cysteine (Cys145) residue of the enzyme. As Paxlovid, it is in phase 3 trials for the treatment of COVID-19 in combination with ritonavir." | 00:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | Actually only the Italian Wikipedia says it was created for influenza, it's not mentioned there | 00:30 |
| LjL-Matrix | Not sure what the author(s) of the Italian article drunk, it seems unrelated to influenza really :P | 00:33 |
| de-facto | about which one? | 00:33 |
| de-facto | Monupiravir? | 00:33 |
| LjL-Matrix | https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/PF-07321332 | 00:33 |
| LjL-Matrix | %tr <it >en Il PF-07321332 (nome commerciale Paxlovid) è un farmaco antivirale in fase sperimentale attivo per via orale, che è stato sviluppato per il trattamento dell'influenza. | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | LjL-Matrix, Italian to English: PF-07321332 (trade name Paxlovid) is an experimental, oral active antiviral drug that was developed for the treatment of influenza. (MyMemory) — PF-07321332 (trade name Paxlovid) is an orally active investigational antiviral drug which was developed for the treatment of influenza. (Google) | 00:34 |
| LjL-Matrix | I think it's also incorrect to say it "is" Paxlovid, if Paxlovid is actually a combination of that and ritonavir. But wait... the Wikipedia quote you gave has also just been changed to that effect? | 00:34 |
| de-facto | huh thats interesting | 00:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | It doesn't say "As Paxlovid, it is in phase 3 trials for the treatment of COVID-19 in combination with ritonavir." but instead "The PF-07321332/ritonavir combination drug is in phase III trials for the treatment of COVID-19[1][2][3][4][5][6] and will be sold under the trade name Paxlovid.[7][8][9]" | 00:35 |
| de-facto | i assumed monupiravir because it targets unspecifically any RNA replication, hence should have broad antiviral effects, but how would something that was designed to fit to influenza just happen to also fit to SARS-CoV-2 | 00:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: my current guess is that the Italian article is just wrong, because the English Wikipedia explains that 3CL is a coronavirus protease, and last I checked influenza wasn't a coronavirus :P | 00:38 |
| LjL-Matrix | But I'll try to figure out who added the influenza remark and when | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mauritius: +448 cases (now 18979), +27 deaths (now 240) since a day ago — Ghana: +217 cases (now 130608), +15 deaths (now 1203), +35637 tests (now 1.9 million) since 3 days ago — Faroe Is.: +64 cases (now 2731), +3000 tests (now 514000) since a day ago — Gibraltar: +38 cases (now 6206), +1228 tests (now 393523) since a day ago | 00:39 |
| LjL-Matrix | But also I'm confused about your quote from the English article, I don't see the "as Paxlovid" part in the article neither now nor in previous versions O.o | 00:39 |
| de-facto | ah maybe they combine it with ritonavir to be able to use lower dosages of paxlovid by blocking cytochrom P450 CYP3A4 (to increase biological half life of paxlovid)? | 00:40 |
| de-facto | s/paxlovid/PF-07321332/ | 00:41 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't know, that hypothesis just tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about | 00:42 |
| LjL-Matrix | but I know some things about Wikipedia, and that influenza claim on the Italian one is not cited, and I know I can request a citation for it :P | 00:42 |
| de-facto | yep that seems to be the purpose of that combination they call then paxlovid PF-07321332 + ritonavir | 00:43 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: but I was wondering Wikipedia-wise, you quoted "As Paxlovid, it is in phase 3 trials" but that phrasing is not on Wikipedia now, and it doesn't look like it was there before, were you quoting from when? | 00:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | The Italian article has the influenza claim from the beginning (it's a recent article) and it was created by an IP address, maybe a translation for another stub | 00:44 |
| de-facto | it was the quote from english wikipedia few days ago | 00:51 |
| de-facto | i was lazy and just copied it from irc history | 00:51 |
| Dredd | <LjL-Matrix> "de-facto: my current guess is..." <- We could start some new rumours.... 👀 | 00:56 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: well, I already did! :P https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:PF-07321332&oldid=123956154 | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US military tests Iron Dome in Guam, with eyes on threats from China: Israeli missile defense system set up on US territory as interim measure as American military builds up its forces in the Asia-Pacific region, Wall Street Journal reports → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qqge83/us_military_tests_iron_dome_in_guam_with_eyes_on/ | 00:56 |
| LjL-Matrix | I added a [citation needed] to the Italian article and a request for explanations to the talk page | 00:56 |
| Dredd | 😀 | 00:56 |
| LjL-Matrix | <de-facto> "it was the quote from english..." <- Ah that's okay, I was just curious because I wasn't finding it stated like that in the history, and it's semi-important as the Italian article is also wrong about that | 00:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | ... which I guess will require a second edit to the talk page | 00:58 |
| * Dredd uploaded an image: (740KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/shortestpath.dev/UHFNVwyStvFKkjOWCkyPZvSH/image.png > | 00:58 | |
| LjL-Matrix | ... :P | 00:59 |
| LjL-Matrix | Actually I see from the English article there's probably been some back-and-forth about whether or not to include the name Paxlovid, so probably also a few rewordings | 00:59 |
| * LjL-Matrix expects some arguments about WP:CommonName on the talk page | 01:00 | |
| * LjL-Matrix is wrong | 01:00 | |
| LjL-Matrix | but someone deleted the mention with an edit message "it doesn't have a brand name until it is marketed; See also not needed for medical articles WP:MEDMOS" | 01:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | Looks pretty futile to me, it's obvious Paxlovid will be the name "people use" unless Pfizer changes it to confuse us more | 01:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Medicine-related_articles doesn't really trump the common name policy, it just says that "Some examples of international standards include", which doesn't make it policy to use them | 01:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | So what I actually expect in the future is an edit war over whether to move the article itself to [[Paxlovid]] or keep it at the obscure [[PF-07321332]] and that will be pretty futile too | 01:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | Maybe PF stands for Pretty Futile | 01:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | Ooooh it's already been moved to Paxlovid and back | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times :-) pic.twitter.com/59Wvgr2v22 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458222239300481024 | 01:06 |
| de-facto | Isnt Paxlovid = PF-07321332 + Ritonavir ? | 01:10 |
| de-facto | the combination | 01:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: yes, but at this point the article is about both and is being moved back and forth. The Paxlovid article redirects to it anyway | 01:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | Maybe eventually it will make sense to have two articles (plus the one for Ritonavir), but while there is only one, it seems futile to fight over the naming | 01:25 |
| de-facto | btw it seems https://cen.acs.org/acs-news/acs-meeting-news/Pfizer-unveils-oral-SARS-CoV/99/i13 claims it was developed from scratch during the pandemic | 01:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | I also just changed the one on the Italian wiki to say that Paxlovid is the combination, and used the Pfizer press release to source that, hopefully they won't lynch me as that's technically a primary source and as such not ideal | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +32861 cases (now 9.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The rapid and marked decline of anti-Spike antibodies seen with the AZ vaccine is very similar to what has been reported for the J&J (both adenovector-based)cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7… @CDCMMWR pic.twitter.com/k2SbEmlZCd → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458231156319551490 | 01:44 |
| Dredd | I think I might be able to book a covid booster now (or soon) with the NHS online thing | 01:45 |
| Dredd | But my previous ones were organised by my local surgery so not sure if I'm in the same system as that central one | 01:45 |
| de-facto | 30µg of BNT162b2? | 01:46 |
| de-facto | 50µg of mRNA-1273? | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The BIG benefit of 1 vaccine after Prior CovidA prospective study of healthcare workers with or without prior Covid and mRNA vaccination:Superior antibody and T cell response, further accentuated with major variants @LancetMicrobe thelancet.com/journals/lanmi… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458238284790779907 | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Barbados: +411 cases (now 20676), +2 deaths (now 183), +2255 tests (now 405139) since a day ago | 02:06 |
| Dredd | de-facto: I dunno but I hope it will be one of those and not another AZ | 02:25 |
| Dredd | I don't think we're using AZ for boosters | 02:25 |
| de-facto | they should not, as studies have shown boosting Adenovirus works best with mRNA | 02:27 |
| de-facto | *Adenovirus vector vaccines | 02:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bulgaria: +4955 cases (now 643003), +147 deaths (now 25555), +36538 tests (now 5.9 million) since a day ago | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japanese Research team develops vaccine that kills HIV in monkeys → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qqiy26/japanese_research_team_develops_vaccine_that/ | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uruguay: +200 cases (now 395610), +5 deaths (now 6093), +10694 tests (now 3.9 million) since a day ago — Paraguay: +53 cases (now 461466), +6 deaths (now 16272), +1848 tests (now 1.9 million) since a day ago — Angola: +38 cases (now 64762), +2 deaths (now 1723), +6781 tests (now 1.1 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus births: 'My baby's first word was mask': How the lingering effects of the pandemic are affecting the lives of new parents and young children. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59211183 | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +147 cases (now 7923), +45438 tests (now 4.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Zimbabwe: +37 cases (now 133242), +1 deaths (now 4691), +3591 tests (now 1.5 million) since a day ago | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China, India, Russia Data Masks the World's Real COVID Death Toll → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qqk9oj/china_india_russia_data_masks_the_worlds_real/ | 04:14 |
| LjL-Matrix | <Dredd> "He should know better than..." <- I think I should call this out, I was almost going to do it before given how many of his comments call him "Dr John"... He's a doctor as in having a doctoral degree, but to the best of my knowledge, he's a registered nurse. | 04:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't think he ever made any big mystery of this, and I don't even like to do argument by authority, but at some point if even you assume he's an MD, that should be rectified | 04:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Never mind Merkel! The EU’s not doing so badly: The recovery fund, the COVID-19 response and joint borrowing all show that Europe is progressing. → https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-european-union-germany-ukraine-poland-hungary-russia/ | 04:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +14001 cases (now 4.8 million) since 22 hours ago | 04:35 |
| Dredd | > <@LjL:matrix.org> I think I should call this out, I was almost going to do it before given how many of his comments call him "Dr John"... He's a doctor as in having a doctoral degree, but to the best of my knowledge, he's a registered nurse. | 04:50 |
| Dredd | > I don't think he ever made any big mystery of this, and I don't even like to do argument by authority, but at some point if even you assume he's an MD, that should be rectified | 04:50 |
| Dredd | Oh yeah, I looked into it more later and realized his YouTube name is somewhat misleading | 04:50 |
| gry | https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/well/live/covid-pulse-oximeter.html interesting, basically a patient can be asymptomatic and with dropped oxygen level. early treatment may help. requires self monitoring | 04:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Martinique: +216 cases (now 43881), +4 deaths (now 700), +19652 tests (now 396573) since 22 hours ago | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Up 7% past 7-days3 weeks at ≥ 75,000 new cases/day newsnodes.com/us pic.twitter.com/gZzj8iMlCZ → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458294649269862401 | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +1001 cases (now 2.2 million), +33 deaths (now 200502), +41485 tests (now 19.4 million) since a day ago — Panama: +196 cases (now 473718), +3 deaths (now 7338), +6809 tests (now 4.1 million) since a day ago | 06:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. tests Iron Dome in Guam as defense against Chinese cruise missiles → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qqmqev/us_tests_iron_dome_in_guam_as_defense_against/ | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mykolaiv Oblast, Ukraine: +987 cases (now 92866), +43 deaths (now 2573) since a day ago — W.P. Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia: +452 cases (now 195978) since a day ago — Lombardy, Italy: +849 cases (now 899930), +4 deaths (now 34205) since a day ago | 06:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +105 cases (now 14073), +12432 tests (now 1.0 million) since a day ago — St. Vin. and Gren.: +44 cases (now 5167), +566 tests (now 87717) since a day ago | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +11466 cases (now 34.4 million), +460 deaths (now 461849), +1278728 tests (now 618.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Kyrgyzstan: +46 cases (now 181982), +3 deaths (now 2694), +3104 tests (now 1.8 million) since a day ago — Anguilla: +38 cases (now 1077), +1 deaths (now 2), +1675 tests (now 51382) since 3 days ago [... want %more?] | 07:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Singapore will stop paying the medical bills of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qqnjuw/singapore_will_stop_paying_the_medical_bills_of/ | 07:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +5751 cases (now 766818), +78 deaths (now 10662), +57046 tests (now 10.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Armenia: +1675 cases (now 324039), +69 deaths (now 6831), +10052 tests (now 2.2 million) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +259 cases (now 9.4 million), +2 deaths (now 142557) since 12 hours ago — Netherlands: +43 cases (now 2.3 million) since 15 hours ago | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to die from COVID-19 caused by the infectious Delta variant than those who've had 2 shots, real-world data from Texas suggests → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qqor8c/unvaccinated_people_were_20_times_more_likely_to/ | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 10, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qqpdbb/daily_discussion_thread_november_10_2021/ | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +14579 cases (now 1.8 million), +56 deaths (now 31229) since a day ago | 09:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Pregabalin Pfizer, pregabalin, Anxiety Disorders;Epilepsy, Date of authorisation: 10/04/2014, Revision: 23, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/pregabalin-pfizer | 09:42 |
| Guest47 | anyone here | 09:46 |
| undefined_bob | yes | 09:47 |
| Guest47 | all right | 09:48 |
| Guest47 | I am a Wikipedian from the People's Republic of China | 09:53 |
| Guest47 | I wonder if American Samoa is still in complete isolation from the outside world | 09:53 |
| Guest47 | （） | 09:53 |
| undefined_bob | I like china at all | 09:58 |
| undefined_bob | Guest47: looks like it still is pretty isolated: https://ws.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/ | 10:00 |
| Guest47 | I say that because I think my English level is relatively poor） | 10:00 |
| Guest47 | thanks | 10:00 |
| undefined_bob | 'are commercial flights operating? - No' 'Are U.S. citizens permitted to enter? - No' | 10:01 |
| undefined_bob | 'Please note that most international flights to and from Samoa have been suspended.' | 10:01 |
| Guest47 | i see | 10:02 |
| Guest47 | This source is indeed quite good | 10:04 |
| Guest47 | But I feel like this page is saying Samoa instead of American Samoa () | 10:04 |
| undefined_bob | 'The current State of Emergency in Samoa requires that all international borders remain closed until further notice.' | 10:05 |
| Guest47 | I'd better see for myself if I can find something new in this site | 10:05 |
| undefined_bob | https://www.samoa.travel/pagepreview/redalert | 10:05 |
| Guest47 | Thank u | 10:07 |
| Guest47 | This site is still very helpful to me | 10:07 |
| undefined_bob | yes, that Samoa and American Samoa thing is complicated :O | 10:09 |
| undefined_bob | here is one of the CDC for American Samoa: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/covid-1/coronavirus-american-samoa | 10:09 |
| Guest47 | i want to find out this question only because that some western media such as nytimes and cnn saids that China is now the only country in the world who still insisting “zero-COVID” policy | 10:09 |
| undefined_bob | yes, I have heard that claim too | 10:10 |
| Guest47 | But according to my current knowledge, this is wrong | 10:10 |
| undefined_bob | maybe they said that in regard to other 'big' countries | 10:10 |
| undefined_bob | most people wouldn't even know there are two Samoa | 10:11 |
| Guest47 | Most Pacific countries and some Central Asian countries, as well as North Korea, seem to be holding out | 10:11 |
| Guest47 | yes ur right | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hungary: +8434 cases (now 923020), +98 deaths (now 31619), +29673 tests (now 7.7 million) since a day ago — Lithuania: +3178 cases (now 434033), +39 deaths (now 6214), +20884 tests (now 5.8 million) since a day ago | 10:11 |
| undefined_bob | one can not trust any claims by North Korea | 10:11 |
| undefined_bob | experts are sure they have many cases there too but they are hiding it | 10:12 |
| undefined_bob | I think the claim by NYT is only valid for other western big countries. Not for every small tiny country in the world | 10:13 |
| Guest47 | I think your statement is partially correct | 10:13 |
| Guest47 | “ | 10:14 |
| Guest47 | I think the claim by NYT is only valid for other western big countries. Not for every small tiny country in the world”yes，perhaps ur right | 10:14 |
| Guest47 | Because if you read the Wikipedia entry you will know that the WHO office in Pyongyang also made public the data on North Korea's epidemic preparedness last year | 10:14 |
| Guest47 | It seems to say that thousands of tests are negative in pyongyang | 10:15 |
| undefined_bob | they dont even have enough food for everyone :( How should they protect them from covid | 10:15 |
| Guest47 | let me check it | 10:15 |
| Guest47 | yes thats right | 10:15 |
| Guest47 | But there are some things you may have overlooked | 10:16 |
| Guest47 | The North Korean government is very authoritarian | 10:16 |
| undefined_bob | yes | 10:17 |
| Guest47 | they may not be able to keep the North Korean people from starving | 10:17 |
| undefined_bob | which is sad | 10:17 |
| Guest47 | But they can still keep the North Korean people from leaving their homes | 10:17 |
| Guest47 | This makes it simple to prevent pandemic | 10:18 |
| undefined_bob | I think this will work in the capital city but not in the rual areas where they also have secret contacts over the border | 10:19 |
| Guest47 | And the North Korean government had already severely restricted the movement of people before the outbreak | 10:19 |
| Guest47 | Especially in rural areas, it is difficult to enter the big cities | 10:20 |
| Guest47 | “undefined_bob 17:19:37 | 10:20 |
| Guest47 | I think this will work in the capital city but not in the rual areas where they also have secret contacts over the border”maybe | 10:20 |
| undefined_bob | are there many news in China about North Korea? | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | And it is extremely difficult for foreigners to enter North Korea | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | no | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | we know as less news as Americans | 10:21 |
| undefined_bob | I'm from Germany | 10:22 |
| Guest47 | But of course there are ways to find out news about North Korea | 10:22 |
| Guest47 | ok | 10:22 |
| Guest47 | 😄 | 10:22 |
| undefined_bob | I follow chinese people on TikTok | 10:23 |
| Guest47 | You have to watch the North Korean government's North Korean Central Television | 10:23 |
| undefined_bob | they make cute videos | 10:23 |
| Guest47 | (It seems that the name is not correct, the abbreviation is KCTV anyway) | 10:23 |
| undefined_bob | ah yes | 10:24 |
| Guest47 | You can also watch the Labor News sponsored by the Workers' Party of Korea | 10:24 |
| Guest47 | Google can find the URL | 10:24 |
| undefined_bob | I want to watch Chinese News on english | 10:24 |
| Guest47 | But of course | 10:25 |
| Guest47 | North Korea is completely devoid of third-party sources | 10:25 |
| Guest47 | “undefined_bob 17:24:58 | 10:26 |
| Guest47 | I want to watch Chinese News on english”thats very easy | 10:26 |
| undefined_bob | they do that? | 10:26 |
| Guest47 | Foreigners generally use CGTN to learn about Chinese news | 10:26 |
| Guest47 | But I do not recommend using this site, because this site will be strong propaganda nature | 10:27 |
| zutt | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events is a great place to look at global news | 10:27 |
| Guest47 | I think the English version of the Global Times is closer to the news that Chinese people generally read | 10:27 |
| Guest47 | 当然了 | 10:28 |
| Guest47 | but of cause | 10:28 |
| Guest47 | （sorry i forget i should use English here） | 10:28 |
| undefined_bob | propaganda are fake news :( Do most chinese people know that those are fake news? | 10:28 |
| Guest47 | These are the official media of the Chinese government | 10:29 |
| undefined_bob | thanks for the link, zutt. I didnt know that site | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +38058 cases (now 8.9 million), +1239 deaths (now 250454), +723482 vaccines (now 58.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Austria: +11398 cases (now 911175), +23 deaths (now 11577), +12697 vaccines (now 6.0 million), +346999 tests (now 101.4 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 10:30 |
| Guest47 | china is very less of third-party sources too | 10:30 |
| Guest47 | If you really want to read news from third-party independent media in China | 10:30 |
| undefined_bob | you cant buy New York Times newspaper at the shop? | 10:31 |
| Guest47 | The best looking more credible Hong Kong news | 10:31 |
| Guest47 | yes of cause | 10:31 |
| Guest47 | do u know the great fire wall of china？ | 10:31 |
| undefined_bob | yes, I read about it | 10:32 |
| zutt | western news sources often have a lot of anti-ccp propaganda as well.. I've been wondering for a long time who funds them | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | You can't use Google or Wikipedia in mainland China | 10:32 |
| undefined_bob | zutt: I German news I dont hear bad or misleading things about china | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | zutt 17:32:12 | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | western news sources often have a lot of anti-ccp propaganda as well.. I've been wondering for a long time who funds them | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | Reply in private ”ur right | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | so u should read them both | 10:33 |
| Guest47 | Propaganda does not necessarily mean fake news | 10:33 |
| Guest47 | The factual propositions involved can still be true | 10:34 |
| undefined_bob | yes, sometimes its just not talking and ignoring the bad things and only focus on the good | 10:34 |
| Guest47 | You have to use logical positivist thinking to select and judge | 10:34 |
| undefined_bob | then then good things are true but the bad things are ignored or denied | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Bexsero, meningococcal group B Vaccine (rDNA, component, adsorbed), Meningitis, Meningococcal, Date of authorisation: 13/01/2013, Revision: 27, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/bexsero | 10:35 |
| Guest47 | If there are multiple media reports with physical and human evidence of the facts, then they can generally be trusted. | 10:35 |
| Guest47 | But of course, it's not entirely certain | 10:36 |
| Guest47 | “” | 10:36 |
| Guest47 | “ | 10:36 |
| Guest47 | undefined_bob 17:34:34 | 10:36 |
| Guest47 | yes, sometimes its just not talking and ignoring the bad things and only focus on the good”yes | 10:36 |
| Guest47 | thats correct | 10:36 |
| Guest47 | But we all know that reports are always only partly true | 10:37 |
| Guest47 | If this part of what he said is more evidence-based then it can be trusted | 10:37 |
| undefined_bob | not always. There is often a factual side | 10:37 |
| Guest47 | It also doesn't mean that other aspects he didn't talk about don't exist | 10:37 |
| undefined_bob | I think I still like China at all | 10:38 |
| Guest47 | thats good | 10:38 |
| Guest47 | i like china too | 10:38 |
| undefined_bob | I often buy on aliexpress | 10:39 |
| undefined_bob | the sellers are most of the time very friendly | 10:39 |
| zutt | i've kinda stopped buying things on aliexpress due to the new import taxes here ;/ | 10:39 |
| Guest47 | oh i dont know that | 10:39 |
| Guest47 | （） | 10:39 |
| zutt | here = in Finland | 10:40 |
| undefined_bob | zutt: same here, Germany | 10:40 |
| undefined_bob | but its still cheaper | 10:40 |
| zutt | that is true | 10:40 |
| Guest47 | but i think China's strengths are not primarily in these | 10:40 |
| zutt | but our national postal service & customs are horrrrrible at dealing these new import taxes | 10:40 |
| Guest47 | The main thing is that the security is very good | 10:40 |
| zutt | you need to spend hours of time jumping through their hoops at the moment, and it'll take weeks to process | 10:40 |
| Guest47 | Then the economic level of eastern China is very good | 10:41 |
| undefined_bob | hm for me it said that the taxes are already included at aliexpress. And then no more taxes | 10:41 |
| undefined_bob | for small items | 10:41 |
| Guest47 | So you will have | 10:41 |
| Guest47 | a great time living in China | 10:41 |
| zutt | yeah, our customs started requiring declaration documentation even for the items with taxes included | 10:42 |
| undefined_bob | I would like to live in rual china, far away from the big cities, Guest47 :) | 10:42 |
| Guest47 | But western China is still relatively poor | 10:42 |
| Guest47 | oh | 10:42 |
| undefined_bob | zutt: thats annoying | 10:42 |
| Guest47 | then do you know about Jade Dragon Snow Mountain? | 10:42 |
| undefined_bob | when I ordered ceiling lamps for a few hundred bucks I had to pay much at customs | 10:43 |
| Guest47 | That's my second homeland） | 10:43 |
| undefined_bob | Yulong Xueshan | 10:43 |
| Guest47 | You can take a look at the Wikipedia article | 10:43 |
| undefined_bob | looks beautiful | 10:44 |
| Guest47 | I added many images to the current version of the Chinese Wikipedia | 10:44 |
| Guest47 | hhhhh | 10:44 |
| Guest47 | Baisha Town, Yulong Naxi Autonomous County | 10:45 |
| Guest47 | You can also take a look at this | 10:45 |
| undefined_bob | the waterfall photo is lovely | 10:45 |
| Guest47 | I personally think this is the best place in the People's Republic of China to see the snow-capped mountains | 10:46 |
| Guest47 | Other places either have stronger political pressure or are too far away from the city too | 10:47 |
| Guest47 | *Other places either have stronger political pressure or are too far away from the city | 10:47 |
| Guest47 | My advice is to travel to China you should never to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region | 10:48 |
| Guest47 | While it is true that there is no such thing as "genocide" | 10:49 |
| Guest47 | But that place is very, very high pressure | 10:49 |
| Guest47 | Especially when there is a COVID outbreak you should not go | 10:49 |
| Guest47 | If there is one case, everyone in the whole district will not be allowed to leave immediately. | 10:50 |
| Guest47 | Forced isolation for 21 days and forced consumption of Chinese medicine | 10:51 |
| Guest47 | Whether in fact you are infected or not | 10:52 |
| zutt | some time ago I watched group of Finnish motorcycle tourists travel through Xinjiang (pre-pandemic times).. they had police escort through the county | 10:52 |
| Guest47 | In short, we Chinese ourselves are very worried about traveling to Xinjiang | 10:53 |
| Guest47 | But of course, it's not that terrible, the security there is very good | 10:54 |
| Guest47 | The view is also very good, the famous Chogori peak（K2） is located here | 10:54 |
| Guest47 | And the Tianshan Mountains | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: Vaccines to be compulsory for frontline NHS staff in England → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282 | 10:56 |
| Guest17 | If you really, really want to play in a place with a strong minority atmosphere in China, then I suggest Tibet () | 10:57 |
| Guest17 | It is not as strict as Xinjiang, but foreigners need to apply for special entry | 10:58 |
| undefined_bob | what makes you that sure that there is no Uyghur genocide? Most western news say otherwise | 10:59 |
| Guest17 | Xinjiang regardless of whether there is an epidemic you have to check the documents and do COVID PCR testing in a new place | 10:59 |
| Guest17 | oh | 11:00 |
| Guest17 | actually | 11:00 |
| Guest17 | i m | 11:00 |
| Guest17 | not totally sure too | 11:01 |
| Guest17 | but | 11:01 |
| Guest17 | theres lots of Evidence | 11:01 |
| Guest17 | u can read in Chinese Wikipedia to find them | 11:02 |
| Guest17 | and my dad like to tour around xinjiang this years | 11:02 |
| Guest17 | In fact, even the Western media Reports can also confirm that there is no evidence of genocide in Xinjiang) | 11:03 |
| undefined_bob | but china is trying to hide this so maybe its not best to trust chinese sites on that topic? | 11:03 |
| Guest17 | Because the Chinese government didn't kill anyone is for sure | 11:03 |
| Guest17 | Whether it can be called genocide or not depends on the Definition | 11:04 |
| undefined_bob | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57386625 | 11:05 |
| Guest17 | The Chinese government says that there is no large-scale forced sterilization | 11:05 |
| Guest17 | Okay, let me see the news | 11:05 |
| undefined_bob | https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/06/china-draconian-repression-of-muslims-in-xinjiang-amounts-to-crimes-against-humanity/ | 11:05 |
| Guest1723 | But in fact | 11:06 |
| Guest1723 | The current consensus of Chinese Wikipedia is this: | 11:07 |
| Guest1723 | 1.There is not enough evidence to confirm that there is in fact mass murder or sterilization. In this case, the "Occam's Razor" principle should be adopted, and it is considered that there Does not exist | 11:08 |
| Guest1723 | 2. By summarizing what the Chinese government has done in the past(In fact, this is not very reliable | 11:09 |
| Guest1723 | 3.The Chinese government may indeed want to hide subjectively, but if there is no physical evidence, then the government's statement is the most reliable source | 11:10 |
| Guest1723 | But of course, it is not recommended to discuss this topic with Chinese people in mainland China | 11:10 |
| Guest1723 | Their thinking in this regard is very radical | 11:10 |
| undefined_bob | 'The Chinese government has gone to extraordinary lengths to cover up its violations of international human rights law in Xinjiang. Authorities threaten, detain and mistreat anyone who speaks out.' | 11:11 |
| Guest1723 | If you talk to them about this, they'll probably think you're the bad guy who wants to Smear China | 11:11 |
| Guest1723 | 😂😂 | 11:11 |
| undefined_bob | and then they put you in prison and turture you | 11:12 |
| Guest1723 | This is generally not | 11:12 |
| Guest1723 | That is possible, but the possibility is still very small | 11:13 |
| Guest1723 | oh sorry | 11:14 |
| Guest1723 | I just misunderstood what you meant | 11:14 |
| Guest1723 | wait a second | 11:14 |
| undefined_bob | I meant if a mainland Chinese people talk to an other chinese people about this and and said china did wrong then they would put him in prison | 11:15 |
| Guest1723 | oh | 11:15 |
| Guest1723 | then i did not misunderstood | 11:15 |
| Guest1723 | That is possible, but the possibility is still very small | 11:16 |
| Guest1723 | but if ur in northern mainland china | 11:16 |
| undefined_bob | maybe the other one report you to the poilce | 11:16 |
| undefined_bob | *police | 11:16 |
| Guest1723 | Especially in the Northeast, this possibility will be much higher | 11:16 |
| Guest1723 | If in Shenzhen will not | 11:17 |
| Guest1723 | I live in Shenzhen now, because my mom and dad work here | 11:17 |
| undefined_bob | what do they work? | 11:18 |
| Guest1723 | It is a big city, next to Hong Kong, and in recent years the total economic output is even a little higher than Hong Kong | 11:18 |
| Guest1723 | My mother teaches Chinese at an international school | 11:19 |
| Guest1723 | My father sells guitars | 11:19 |
| undefined_bob | thats cool | 11:19 |
| Guest1723 | Their factory is in Jiangsu, but the company is in Shenzhen | 11:19 |
| Guest1723 | Mainly selling guitars, but also selling other instruments but less | 11:20 |
| undefined_bob | is your mom affected by the new law about private tutoring? | 11:21 |
| Guest1723 | By the way, I would like to ask if the Starbucks in Germany is still open now(?) | 11:21 |
| Guest1723 | oh，u Really know a lot about china | 11:22 |
| Guest1723 | 😂😂 | 11:22 |
| Guest1723 | Don't worry, it doesn't matter to my mom | 11:22 |
| undefined_bob | I think there are not many real starbucks in germany | 11:23 |
| Guest1723 | That rule is not yet for this kind of tutoring for international school students | 11:23 |
| Guest1723 | “I think there are not many real starbucks in germany”😂😂 | 11:24 |
| undefined_bob | maybe less than 20 | 11:25 |
| undefined_bob | and all are in the southern part of the country | 11:25 |
| Guest1723 | By the way, my mom is also a Christian conservative and a very ardent Trump supporter | 11:25 |
| undefined_bob | Trump is a large idiot. Tell your mom that and that I said that | 11:25 |
| Guest1723 | Still believe in the BNT vaccine conspiracy theory until now | 11:25 |
| Guest1723 | But she's not too worried about Chinese domestic vaccines | 11:26 |
| undefined_bob | she read too many fakenews? | 11:26 |
| Guest1723 | You must not talk to her about this, or she will be angry | 11:27 |
| Guest1723 | yes | 11:27 |
| undefined_bob | sad :( | 11:27 |
| Guest1723 | but from the church group in china | 11:27 |
| Guest1723 | 😂😂😂 | 11:27 |
| Guest1723 | not from Chinese media | 11:27 |
| undefined_bob | give me her wechat and I'll spam her with studies and facts lol | 11:27 |
| Guest1723 | u must knew WeChat right | 11:27 |
| Guest1723 | oh | 11:28 |
| Guest1723 | 😂😂😂 | 11:28 |
| Guest1723 | 哈哈哈哈哈哈 | 11:28 |
| undefined_bob | my client can'd display smilies or emojies | 11:28 |
| Guest1723 | U sure knew a Lot about china | 11:28 |
| undefined_bob | all I see is 11:28:04 Guest1723 | ~B ~B ~B | 11:28 |
| Guest1723 | ok | 11:28 |
| Guest1723 | it was a smile | 11:29 |
| Guest1723 | with cry | 11:29 |
| undefined_bob | :D | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): A vaccine effectiveness of 90 to 95% against infection after a 3d booster shot is pretty damn good! Would be enough to get R below 1 in fact. And even better: 99% effectiveness in protecting against severe disease after booster. twitter.com/jsm2334/status… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1458379032404414464 | 11:29 |
| undefined_bob | and yes, I know WeChat :) | 11:29 |
| Guest1723 | do u use telegram them | 11:30 |
| Guest1723 | What do Germans usually use to chat | 11:30 |
| undefined_bob | I do have that too. But I mainly you WhatsApp | 11:30 |
| undefined_bob | WhatsApp is the most common | 11:30 |
| Guest1723 | It's definitely not irc, isnt it | 11:30 |
| Guest1723 | oh i see | 11:30 |
| undefined_bob | haha no irc is rare | 11:30 |
| Guest1723 | hkers like to use that too | 11:30 |
| Guest1723 | but Wikipedians like to use telegram or IRC | 11:31 |
| Guest1723 | i | 11:31 |
| Guest1723 | dont know why | 11:31 |
| Guest1723 | so i use it | 11:31 |
| Guest1723 | *wikipedians in china | 11:31 |
| Guest1723 | maybe because | 11:31 |
| undefined_bob | telegram is not that secure either. but its alright | 11:31 |
| Guest1723 | QQ and wechat is too | 11:32 |
| Guest1723 | sensitive | 11:32 |
| Guest1723 | hahaha | 11:32 |
| undefined_bob | WeChat is highly regulated and monitored by the government, right? | 11:32 |
| Guest1723 | yes,i see | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +18546 cases (now 3.1 million), +270 deaths (now 78250) since 23 hours ago — Slovakia: +7055 cases (now 533663), +53 deaths (now 13367), +24791 tests (now 4.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:32 |
| Guest1723 | i cant cinfirm that actually | 11:32 |
| Guest1723 | but seems like,yes | 11:32 |
| Guest1723 | *confirm | 11:32 |
| undefined_bob | yes | 11:33 |
| undefined_bob | I have a Xiaomi phone :) | 11:34 |
| Guest1723 | i am using xiaomi now actually | 11:36 |
| Guest1723 | ) | 11:36 |
| undefined_bob | which one? :O | 11:36 |
| undefined_bob | I have an Mi8 | 11:37 |
| Guest1723 | Mi 6X | 11:37 |
| Guest1723 | It's a little old | 11:37 |
| undefined_bob | but the chinese version with 256 GB but I installed a custom rom from xiaomi.eu | 11:37 |
| Guest1723 | ) | 11:37 |
| undefined_bob | I also had a Note5 pro but I dropped it and the display broke :( | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: David Oliver: The cultural problems still affecting PPE provision: In February I wrote a news story in The BMJ about failings in the supply of personal protective equipment (PPE) for frontline NHS hospital staff. It was based on freedom of information (FOI) requests... → http://feeds.bmj.com/~r/bmj/recent/~3/1b93MKhHL0c/bmj.n2704.short | 11:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): Some replies suggest a misunderstanding of my point. I'm stating that based on all the available evidence, SARSCoV2 doesn't seem to infect the central nervous system (CNS). This doesn't mean it can't be detected in brains of patients who died from [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1458385548649943051 | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Finland: +954 cases (now 166256), +3 deaths (now 1212), +15543 tests (now 7.6 million) since 22 hours ago — Gambia: +1 cases (now 9980), +290 tests (now 120595) since a day ago | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): ProQuad, measles, mumps, rubella and varicella vaccine (live), Chickenpox;Rubella;Measles;Mumps;Immunization, Date of authorisation: 05/04/2006, Revision: 29, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/proquad | 12:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Estonia: +1354 cases (now 208326), +14 deaths (now 1637), +9631 tests (now 2.2 million) since a day ago — Nepal: +387 cases (now 815759), +6 deaths (now 11460), +5407 tests (now 4.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: MPs press for investigation of covid related contracts during “sleaze” debate on standards: MPs have called for a full investigation into the company that was awarded government contracts related to covid-19 testing equipment worth almost half a billion pounds.The call was made during a... → http://feeds.bmj.com/~r/bmj/recent/~3/_-pIYQe77Iw/bmj.n2742.short | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on the daily number of new reported COVID-19 cases and deaths by EU/EEA country: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. Each row/entry contains the number of new cases and deaths reported per day and [... want %more?] → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/data-daily-new-cases-covid-19-eueea-country | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Croatia: +7315 cases (now 514850), +50 deaths (now 9655), +16965 tests (now 3.2 million) since a day ago — Latvia: +1689 cases (now 235387), +37 deaths (now 3598), +14488 tests (now 5.1 million) since a day ago — Indonesia: +480 cases (now 4.2 million), +14 deaths (now 143592), +299600 tests (now 49.1 million) since a day ago | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: S.Korea urges COVID-19 booster shots, as severe cases hit record → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qqsz6k/skorea_urges_covid19_booster_shots_as_severe/ | 13:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uganda: +70 cases (now 126714), +1 deaths (now 3231), +4026 tests (now 1.9 million) since a day ago — France: +62 cases (now 7.3 million) since 15 hours ago — Senegal: +3 cases (now 73945), +1580 tests (now 851881) since a day ago | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist: Covid-19 news: Booster shots now mandatory for French vaccine passes: The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about [... want %more?] → https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-booster-shots-now-mandatory-for-french-vaccine-passes/ | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +7930 cases (now 992735), +79 deaths (now 22765), +237046 tests (now 63.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Belarus: +1989 cases (now 619708), +16 deaths (now 4789), +46495 tests (now 9.9 million) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +235 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 27906), +17987 tests (now 10.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Two New Antivirals Targeting COVID-19: There are two new drugs on the horizon that actually work against COVID-19. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/two-new-antivirals-targeting-covid-19/ | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Compared to the other 99% of viruses out there, virologists have always had time to come up with whatever clumsy nomenclature system sorta worked. SARS-CoV-2 and Pango made us up our game considerably.newsweek.com/ay-4-2-variant… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458425291550855170 | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +4145 cases (now 901223) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +41628 cases (now 4.9 million) since 22 hours ago — Zambia: +21 cases (now 209939), +5084 tests (now 2.6 million) since a day ago | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): You're not alone thinking that SARS2 strain nomenclature is really awkward right now.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jm… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458426137592283137 | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Current coronavirus wave in Russia spreads faster than previous ones, Health Minister says | FYI - TASS is the media branch of the Russian Govt | 10NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qqun1d/current_coronavirus_wave_in_russia_spreads_faster/ | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for UAE: +75 cases (now 740647), +278127 tests (now 95.9 million) since a day ago | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Higher Dose of Dexamethasone Likely Beneficial in Severe COVID-19: A multicenter, randomized trial of patients in Europe and India showed improvements in mortality among patients with COVID-19 who received a higher dose of dexamethasone. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/higher-dose-of-dexamethasone-likely-beneficial-in-severe-covid-19 | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Moderna and NIH clash over Covid-19 vaccine patent; Biogen probes Alzheimer’s patient death → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/11/10/covid19-vaccine-patents-moderna-nih-biogen-alzheimers-opioids-jnj/ | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An ugly patent battle by a company who received not just massive $ taxpayer and @NIH science support, but also the template for the vaccine from the #SARSCoV2 sequence with the 2-P substitution from NIH's Vaccine Research Centernytimes.com/2021/11/09/us/… @SherylNYT [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458444085333692417 | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): If you need 20 years to find lingering side effects that have never before been seen with vaccines, you're not exactly prepared for a pandemic, are you? → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458449613254397953 | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Western Europe getting worse, while Eastern Europe currently has worst surge in the world @OurWorldInData nytimes.com/2021/11/10/wor…In Germany, @c_drosten "has warned that the nation’s pandemic death toll could double if sufficient measures are not taken." [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458451549139587072 | 16:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof. Shane Crotty (@profshanecrotty): My 2 cents: “The vaccine is sufficient protection. Family is important.” twitter.com/helenbranswell… → https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1458457473254260738 | 16:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +41346 cases (now 4.9 million) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +2344 cases (now 1.7 million), +24 deaths (now 29278) since 21 hours ago | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): This study illustrates that in this immunocompromised person, endogenous immune responses were unable to control the virus, and that remdesivir resistance arose while on treatment. Monoclonal Abs were effective in clearing persistent virus and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1458463413357752324 | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-resistant people inspire new vaccine tactic: Some people exposed to coronavirus didn't get ill. Now researchers want to use that in vaccines. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59207466 | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +12680 cases (now 2.3 million), +25 deaths (now 19079) since 20 hours ago — Chile: +2164 cases (now 1.7 million), +12 deaths (now 37895), +60064 tests (now 24.2 million) since a day ago | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): So much "what about flu" antivax distraction nonsense in my TL, by people who expect us to lay out the 10 million ways flu differs from SARS2. I thought yall were "doing your own research"? → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458474200214106114 | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): The coronavirus patent dispute between Moderna and the NIH is spilling out more publicly. Time to start reading up in the patent examiner's manual to prepare!science.org/content/blog-p… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1458482141843632128 | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Not gonna critique flu, our responses thereto, or its vaccines.That is 100% irrelevant to COVID and our responses, vaccines.Concentrate people. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458485041244172290 | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +7089 cases (now 808297), +79 deaths (now 16493), +351554 tests (now 28.9 million) since a day ago — Luxembourg: +347 cases (now 83826), +3825 tests (now 3.6 million) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +5 cases (now 901228) since 3 hours ago | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): No myocarditis noted in small trial of 5-11 yos with 10 ug Pfizer. In fact, no serious adverse events. 90% VE. Don't try this with COVID. nejm.org/doi/full/10.10… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458488238255923200 | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: us: Twindemic: Potential Ramifications of COVID-19 and Flu Convergence → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/twindemic-potential-ramifications-covid-flu-convergence-ebook | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): People are still writing me about ivermectin. Which based on all available evidence *does not work* as a coronavirus treatment. Does not. Does not. Does not work.The data that suggested otherwise *keep falling apart*, over and over. twitter.com/retractionwatc… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1458495287924756486 | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): A new generation of vaccines including targets from those conserved proteins could produce longer-lasting immunisation, but also provide protection against other coronaviruses, including endemic ones, and any new one which may jump from animals [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1458499133094891528 | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Are any of yall consulting with a trusted medical professional, like a PCP, to decide how you should deal with COVID? This is a 100% honest RFI. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458500306623336449 | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +39644 cases (now 9.5 million), +216 deaths (now 142771) since 23 hours ago — Italy: +8033 cases (now 4.8 million), +60 deaths (now 132551), +487618 tests (now 108.7 million) since a day ago | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: Theranos tests detected prostate-cancer marker in prostateless women → https://arstechnica.com/ | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Now ~1 million vaccinated, 27 million more are eligibletwitter.com/AP/status/1458… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458507635385241602 | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominican Rep.: +1046 cases (now 391104), +3 deaths (now 4157), +7051 tests (now 2.3 million) since a day ago — Maldives: +129 cases (now 89255), +3424 tests (now 1.6 million) since a day ago — Namibia: +4 cases (now 129027), +1 deaths (now 3565), +1679 tests (now 762953) since 21 hours ago | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): We don't know whether deer mice, N America's most abundant single mammal, carries SARS2 in the wild. We only know that it COULD. Experimentally, they transmit virus to cagemates. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458511430538326018 | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Vaccines protecting against all, really all, variants. Delta plus and Mu.medrxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1458512802918895617 | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +6461 cases (now 5.0 million), +59 deaths (now 87617) since a day ago — France: +946 cases (now 7.3 million) since 22 hours ago | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): All those variants with mutations are recognised and neutralised. Although there are differences in efficacy, there are plenty of antibodies to go round, and T cell immunity with provide help for any antibody to adjust. pic.twitter.com/pe68QxOJAe → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1458519897097506820 | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Also here, all mutations in Delta as well as Lambda were neutralised with serum from vaccinated individuals: pic.twitter.com/Lbb7nDtvCr → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1458520411327639557 | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Learning from the top 10 countries in the world now, Covid cases/100,000 people, all in Europe—Even 74% fully vaccinated + extensive prior Covid exposure (Belgium) is not adequately protective—The US is missing the warning⚠️ again. Much lower vaccination rate [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458525710474043392 | 21:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Issues with SARS-CoV-2 sequencing data: Systematic Errors Associated with Some Implementations of ARTIC V4 and a Fast Workflow to Prescreen Samples for New Problematic Sites Theo Sanderson 1,2,* , Nicola De Maio 3 , Angie S. Hinrichs 4 , Adriano de Bernardi [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/issues-with-sars-cov-2-sequencing-data/473/16 | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Those questions about whether a coronavirus might become transmissible by mosquitoes or ticks are fun bc I can really, truly answer them: "no". Here's why... → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1458534646342320136 | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greenland: +41 cases (now 963), +896 tests (now 93236) since a day ago | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Nov 10, 2021: COVID-19 and dexamethasone SARS healthcare experience and COVID-19 CWD in Wisconsin deer Avian flu in Asia, Europe → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/11/news-scan-nov-10-2021 | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +57 cases (now 16526), +2 deaths (now 581), +1177 tests (now 465752) since 2 hours ago — Netherlands: +12676 cases (now 2.3 million) since 13 hours ago — Kuwait: +23 cases (now 412916), +15329 tests (now 5.0 million) since a day ago | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): BTW Greece has 62% total population fully vaccinated (US is 58%) and a few months more recently pic.twitter.com/CUkB1p9sO4 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458548349385150467 | 22:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: White House: COVID-19 vaccine requirements are working: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Nov 10, 2021 Mandates have cut the number of unvaccinated Americans by 40% from this summer, an official says. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/11/white-house-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-are-working | 22:50 |
| purplesail[m] | %cases Ukraine | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | purplesail[m]: Ukraine has had 3.3 million confirmed cases (7.8% of all people) and 78865 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 15.0 million tests were done (21.9% positive). 11.7 million were vaccinated (27.9%). +24444 cases, +843 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://covid19.rnbo.gov.ua/ | 22:54 |
| purplesail[m] | %cases UK | 22:56 |
| Brainstorm | purplesail[m]: United Kingdom has had 9.5 million confirmed cases (14.2% of all people) and 142772 deaths (1.5% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 342.7 million tests were done (2.8% positive). 50.3 million were vaccinated (75.7%). +39644 cases, +216 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 22:56 |
| purplesail[m] | %cases Poland | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | purplesail[m]: Poland has had 3.1 million confirmed cases (8.2% of all people) and 78250 deaths (2.5% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 20.9 million tests were done (15.1% positive). 20.4 million were vaccinated (53.1%). +18546 cases, +270 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Poland | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | purplesail[m]: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Poland, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 22:57 |
| purplesail[m] | %cases Russia | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | purplesail[m]: Russia has had 8.9 million confirmed cases (6.1% of all people) and 250454 deaths (2.8% of cases) as of 12 hours ago. 218.0 million tests were done (4.1% positive). 58.7 million were vaccinated (40.0%). +38058 cases, +1239 deaths, +723482 vaccines since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | purplesail[m]: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Russia, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Cryptic transmission of Delta in a hospital ward between vaccinated patients, beginning with an asymptomatic individual nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…PCR cycle thresholds are shownDelta were viral loads were >1000-fold that of earlier variants in this health system [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1458555314467397645 | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Option 1 is the current most likely for the coming years (?). Continued infections will build up strong immunity in the population of all ages, reducing COVID-19, and influencing viral selection. Leaving option 3 on the table for the (near) future. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1458559693593382920 | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +45404 cases (now 4.9 million), +244 deaths (now 97599) since 23 hours ago | 23:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: In Eastern Europe, Covid-19 has never been deadlier | 09NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qr6bu1/in_eastern_europe_covid19_has_never_been_deadlier/ | 23:54 |
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