| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Not Satire: Vermont COVID Cases Spiking Despite State Having Highest Vaccination Rate in the USA | 15NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qvkhr3/not_satire_vermont_covid_cases_spiking_despite/ | 00:01 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +2021 cases (now 5.0 million), +32 deaths (now 127865), +36284 tests (now 27.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Argentina: +1622 cases (now 5.3 million), +44 deaths (now 116294), +43401 tests (now 25.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 00:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Dozens of Alaska docs urge medical board to probe docs spreading COVID misinfo → https://arstechnica.com/ | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Burkina Faso: +233 cases (now 15514), +31 deaths (now 265) since 5 days ago — Faroe Is.: +51 cases (now 3017), +3000 tests (now 532000) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +20216 cases (now 2.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bulgaria: +3869 cases (now 662739), +121 deaths (now 26676), +41234 tests (now 6.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Lebanon: +1102 cases (now 654068), +8 deaths (now 8596), +15303 tests (now 4.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +213 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 27928), +20764 tests (now 10.6 million) since a day ago | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uruguay: +211 cases (now 396888), +2 deaths (now 6104), +9306 tests (now 4.0 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +36957 cases (now 9.7 million) since 21 hours ago — Zimbabwe: +34 cases (now 133505), +1 deaths (now 4698), +5986 tests (now 1.6 million) since 3 hours ago | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An impressive ongoing digital clinical trial with biobanking unravels a triad cytokine signature associated with #LongCovid (PASC), possibly driven by macrophage activation during the acute infectionpapers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf… @UniHalle pic.twitter.com/LjMFri076a → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1460767733029605378 | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Retraction Watch: Co-author of paper claiming COVID-19 vaccines linked to miscarriage says he’s retracting it: A pair of researchers in New Zealand have asked for the retraction of a controversial article on the risk of miscarriage [... want %more?] → https://retractionwatch.com/2021/11/16/co-author-of-paper-claiming-covid-19-vaccines-linked-to-miscarriage-says-hes-retracting-it/ | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Does #LongCovid occur with breakthrough (post-vaccination) infections?A study of >16,000 breakthroughs with >3.5 million controlsYes, clearly, including people not hospitalizedresearchsquare.com/article/rs-106…@zalaly @WUSTLmed pic.twitter.com/KUpzY0Azuo → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1460774037617987584 | 02:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Martinique: +356 cases (now 44318), +19674 tests (now 416247) since 3 days ago | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The chance for a Covid co-infection this winter is increased, especially in hospitalized patients. They're frequently missed. Rapid sequencing in Covid ICUs made the diagnosis same-day, accurately, including antibiotic [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1460778503968735235 | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Barbados: +323 cases (now 22639), +5 deaths (now 199), +1830 tests (now 416959) since a day ago | 02:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Hidden pandemic of antibiotic-resistant infections, health officials warn → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59310099 | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guinea-Bissau: +29 cases (now 6431), +2 deaths (now 146), +240 tests (now 105212) since 2 days ago — Curacao: +14 cases (now 17248), +914 tests (now 322124) since a day ago | 03:00 |
| `St0ner | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8329429/ | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): As new cases are now increasing, averaging more than 85,000/day, hospitalizations are going back upnewsnodes.com/us pic.twitter.com/XBFyt0EIMw → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1460796145806942214 | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +1612 cases (now 1.8 million), +10 deaths (now 29445) since 23 hours ago — Panama: +193 cases (now 474928), +2 deaths (now 7348), +7396 tests (now 4.2 million) since 20 hours ago | 03:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: UK MPs voted by proxy while attending Euro 2020 matches: Proxy votes were in use at the time to avoid crowding in the division lobbies during the pandemic. → https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-mps-voted-proxy-euro-2020-match/ | 04:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: FDA promises quick review of Pfizer booster for all adults, CDC meets Friday → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/fda-promises-quick-review-of-pfizer-booster-for-all-adults-cdc-meets-friday-7626694/ | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +37125 cases (now 9.7 million) since 17 hours ago — Netherlands: +42 cases (now 2.4 million) since 10 hours ago | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Josiah Grindrod (@JT_Grindrod): Good life motto for her tbh, maybe one day she'll figure out the entire pandemic is an evolving situation.Too much to hope for? twitter.com/avinashkunnath… → https://twitter.com/JT_Grindrod/status/1460815252451315712 | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +12388 cases (now 1.5 million), +41 deaths (now 26444), +89468 tests (now 23.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +53627 cases (now 5.1 million) since 23 hours ago — India: +10197 cases (now 34.5 million), +301 deaths (now 464153), +2349794 tests (now 627.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Peru: +1459 cases (now 2.2 million), +23 deaths (now 200695), +42150 tests (now 19.7 million) since a day ago | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer asks U.S. regulators to authorize its COVID-19 pill → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qvq6ul/pfizer_asks_us_regulators_to_authorize_its/ | 06:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardy, Italy: +1409 cases (now 907344), +5 deaths (now 34248) since 23 hours ago — Jiangsu, China: +14 cases (now 1617) since 12 days ago | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Cities are not only tackling Covid-19, but its pollution too → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/cities-are-not-only-tackling-covid-19-but-its-pollution-too-7626889/ | 07:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: New York welcomes back fully vaccinated revelers for New Year’s Eve in Times Square → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/new-york-welcomes-back-fully-vaccinated-revelers-for-new-years-eve-in-times-square-7626869/ | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hong Kong Disneyland closes for one day as staff take COVID-19 tests → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qvt0rx/hong_kong_disneyland_closes_for_one_day_as_staff/ | 07:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +22585 cases (now 1.9 million), +73 deaths (now 31709) since 22 hours ago | 07:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): AHA News: Pfizer, Moderna Officials Review COVID-19 Vaccine Successes, Discuss Future for mRNA Tech → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:54 |
| Guest98 | anyone here now | 08:47 |
| Trippy72894 | I'm here. | 08:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +4732 cases (now 795847), +72 deaths (now 11212), +50707 tests (now 11.0 million) since a day ago — Taiwan: +5 cases (now 16503), +32793 tests (now 8.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 17, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qvubsm/daily_discussion_thread_november_17_2021/ | 09:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Increasing immunity with a booster: more and better antibodies for longer. AND more and better memory cells that swiftly protect from severe disease even when antibodies are low.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-booster… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1460883460906754061 | 09:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Preprint. Like all infections with pathogenic agents, "people with breakthrough COVID-19 exhibit lower risks of death and post-acute sequelae than people with COVID-19 who were not previously vaccinated for it;" but that does not mean no damage at all. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1460885511921446915 | 09:30 |
| elephpant[m] | LjL: i don't particularly like covidly.com layout. What's you next favorite since offloop is gone? | 10:06 |
| elephpant[m] | the weighted average to smooth out the graphs is essential | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +36626 cases (now 9.2 million), +1247 deaths (now 259084), +300000 tests (now 218.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Hungary: +10265 cases (now 976432), +178 deaths (now 32514), +33325 tests (now 7.9 million) since a day ago — Lithuania: +2184 cases (now 448304), +30 deaths (now 6405), +23081 tests (now 5.9 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Booster vaccine gives “significant increased protection” in over 50s: A third Pfizer BioNTech covid-19 vaccine dose—known as a booster dose—provides “significant increased protection” against symptomatic disease in those aged 50 and over, irrespective of which vaccine... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814.short | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Austria: +14416 cases (now 996320), +41 deaths (now 11848), +593434 tests (now 104.8 million) since a day ago — Estonia: +1022 cases (now 214496), +7766 tests (now 2.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: First Opinion: Opinion: With 128 Covid vaccines in clinical development, we don’t know if the approved/authorized ones are the best ones → https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/17/are-authorized-approved-covid-vaccines-best-ones-we-dont-know/ | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Boosters, going beyond the previous protection rate. They do not only restore antibody levels and protection, but they also elevate it. pic.twitter.com/yNhy4Bcyip → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1460912029573816329 | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +8342 cases (now 578208), +43 deaths (now 13687), +26545 tests (now 4.3 million) since a day ago — Brunei: +87 cases (now 14378), +4038 tests (now 570625) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +53278 cases (now 5.1 million) since 20 hours ago | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Global trends in Covid-19 infections: WHO chief explains in 3 charts → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/global-trends-in-covid-19-infections-who-chief-soumya-swaminathan-7627328/ | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: 7-day rolling average of confirmed new cases in Europe has now surpassed the height of all previous waves, and is still climbing → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qvwgsz/7day_rolling_average_of_confirmed_new_cases_in/ | 11:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Oliver Barnes (@mroliverbarnes): 🚨#journorequest🚨In the last week, 522 people aged over 80 in England got their 1st dose of a Covid vaccine.For an @FT article, I’d like to speak to older Britons who have only recently had their 1st jab (past few months). If that’s you or a [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/mroliverbarnes/status/1460923469395341313 | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +24241 cases (now 3.3 million), +463 deaths (now 79624), +179590 tests (now 23.3 million) since a day ago — Latvia: +1501 cases (now 243340), +79 deaths (now 3875), +12059 tests (now 5.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Laos: +1073 cases (now 57397), +2 deaths (now 112), +5461 tests (now 725045) since 23 hours ago | 12:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Croatia: +6670 cases (now 551000), +64 deaths (now 10050), +28306 vaccines (now 2.1 million), +15519 tests (now 3.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Nepal: +363 cases (now 818035), +1 deaths (now 11483), +10106 tests (now 4.5 million) since a day ago — Nigeria: +144 cases (now 213321), +5 deaths (now 2973), +47715 tests (now 3.4 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Pfizer Announces Retirement of Chief Financial Officer Frank D’Amelio: Anonymous (not verified) Wed, 11/17/2021 - 06:45 Wednesday, November 17, 2021 - 06:45am Mike McDermott named EVP Chief Global Supply Officer NEW YORK--(BUSINESS [... want %more?] → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-announces-retirement-chief-financial-officer-frank | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): SARS2 didn't just now figure out how to be airborne, but whatever."The battle against airborne COVID has shifted. Why your mask is the last layer of defence" twitter.com/i/events/14606… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1460941068330020865 | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 17NOV21: Summary As Of: 17NOV @ 12:09 GMT Countries 222 + 2 Cases 255,034,535 Deaths 5,128,804 Recovered 230,548,553 Active Cases 230,773,138 Countries reporting new cases: 94 Countries reporting new deaths: 65 Countries reporting increased Active [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qvy28f/global_covid_cases_for_17nov21/ | 13:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Torneremo a vivere normalmente da giugno (2021). "Se metti in sicurezza le categorie più fragili, automaticamente si svuotano gli ospedali". Chi si ricorda? Io mi ricordo → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/qvy8ea/torneremo_a_vivere_normalmente_da_giugno_2021_se/ | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +9849 cases (now 1.1 million), +67 deaths (now 23337), +280186 tests (now 65.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Romania: +3535 cases (now 1.8 million), +350 deaths (now 54011), +48439 tests (now 15.6 million) since a day ago — Indonesia: +522 cases (now 4.3 million), +13 deaths (now 143698), +279216 tests (now 50.9 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 13:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Fauci says boosters for all key to U.S. reaching COVID-19 endemic level → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/fauci-says-boosters-for-all-key-to-us-reaching-covid-endemic-level-7627679/ | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belarus: +1862 cases (now 632887), +13 deaths (now 4888), +44545 tests (now 10.1 million) since a day ago — UAE: +74 cases (now 741148), +337742 tests (now 97.6 million) since 20 hours ago — Zambia: +12 cases (now 210020), +4854 tests (now 2.7 million) since a day ago — Bhutan: +4 cases (now 2629), +1890 tests (now 1.2 million) since 3 days ago | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5988 cases (now 929025) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +53999 cases (now 5.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Uganda: +44 cases (now 127046), +3 deaths (now 3244), +4487 tests (now 1.9 million) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +42 cases (now 549339), +2 deaths (now 8820), +100983 tests (now 31.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Novavax: (news): Novavax and Serum Institute of India Receive Emergency Use Authorization for COVID-19 Vaccine in the Philippines → https://ir.novavax.com/2021-11-17-Novavax-and-Serum-Institute-of-India-Receive-Emergency-Use-Authorization-for-COVID-19-Vaccine-in-the-Philippines | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: We Know #COVIDisAirborne—Now We Have the First Ever Model of an Aerosolized Viral Particle | 17NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qvzfr9/we_know_covidisairbornenow_we_have_the_first_ever/ | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gibraltar: +87 cases (now 6721), +1 vaccines (now 40787), +1073 tests (now 402346) since a day ago | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Protection does fade, usually Moderna > Pfizer > AZ in persistent efficacy. Note this is after 2nd dose, we don't know yet about boosters. twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1460974406985936898 | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +266 cases (now 1.6 million), +6 deaths (now 27934), +19670 tests (now 10.7 million) since 14 hours ago — Qatar: +149 cases (now 241527), +5531 tests (now 2.9 million) since a day ago | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: European regulators unlikely to approve Biogen Alzheimer’s drug; U.S. to invest billions to expand Covid vaccine production → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/11/17/covid19-pfizer-glaxo-alzheimers-biogen/ | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Pfizer Completes Acquisition of Trillium Therapeutics: Anonymous (not verified) Wed, 11/17/2021 - 09:40 Wednesday, November 17, 2021 - 09:40am Acquisition enhances Pfizer’s Oncology portfolio with addition of next-generation, investigational [... want %more?] → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-completes-acquisition-trillium-therapeutics | 15:48 |
| truesaviorcyber[ | The Savior Book: How To Unlock Human Body Secret, Live To Thousands Years & More [Limited Time] | 15:56 |
| truesaviorcyber[ | https://saviorscyber.wordpress.com/2021/11/17/the-savior-book-how-to-unlock-human-body-secret-live-to-thousands-years-more-limited-time/ | 15:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Thoughts on prevailing over the US pandemicnytimes.com/2021/11/16/opi… by @bokatlindell w/ inputs @Bob_Wachter @sarahzhang @KatherineEban @darakass @dwallacewells and me → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1460983274361131011 | 15:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉🔜 MFF (@sailorrooscout): “If the vaccines work so well, why do we need a third dose?” Oh, I don’t know… Maybe because a lot of vaccines work that way? pic.twitter.com/FDMKaykSTh → https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1460989824828067848 | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +1861 cases (now 1.8 million), +33 deaths (now 29469) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +318 cases (now 9.7 million) since 21 hours ago — Switzerland: +6 cases (now 929031) since 2 hours ago | 16:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | aruns: PCR works by creating more RNA (or DNA, but it's RNA in this virus) if it finds the sought RNA in the first place. When there's enough of it, it becomes easily detectable. So each "amplification cycle" creates more of it, and how many cycles you do determines the test's sensitivity | 17:04 |
| * LjL-Matrix is backscrolling trying to find when he was highlighted | 17:04 | |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Immunogenicity and Reactogenicity Following a Booster Dose of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (Pfizer-BioNtech) and Two Adjuvanted Sub-unit Vaccines (SP/GSK) Administered in Adults Who Received 2 Doses of Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA Vaccine as a Primary Vaccination → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05124171 | 17:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | elephpant, not sure if this is gonna highlight you... What I do is I still use offloop, if you select "Alternative data source" (or add legacy=no in the URL), it works for most countries at least, although there's a spot in the graph where the data look wrong | 17:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | (It would be nice if I knew how to highlight people in mobile Element without being able to tap in their nickname in a previous message...) | 17:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): COVID-19 Severity and Psychiatric Morbidity → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05124158 | 17:17 |
| aruns | Thanks LjL-Matrix :) | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): PREDICT: A PBRN Feasibility Study on COVID-19 Screening in Dental Practice → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05123742 | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +20802 cases (now 2.4 million), +44 deaths (now 19272) since 23 hours ago — Greece: +6653 cases (now 853841), +89 deaths (now 17012), +326949 tests (now 31.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: Primary Care in AURA for COVID-19: Condition : Primary Care Suspected and Confirmed Cases of COVID19 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05124145 | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Pharmacokinetics, Pharmacodynamics, and Safety of Single-dose Sotrovimab in High-risk Pediatric Participants With Mild to Moderate COVID-19 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05124210 | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +10167 cases (now 4.9 million), +72 deaths (now 132965), +537765 tests (now 112.3 million) since 22 hours ago | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Ollie the dog helps U.S. kids with vaccine hesitancy one jab at a time → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/ollie-the-dog-helps-u-s-kids-with-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-one-jab-at-a-time-7627549/ | 18:10 |
| joerg | AURA? Auverne-Rhone-Alpes -.- | 18:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | Enjoy your motorway with a stupid toll booth every 2km or so when you go there! >: | 18:18 |
| joerg | :-D | 18:19 |
| joerg | LjL-Matrix: maybe in topic change/augment the chanlog URL to http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/search?q=term%28%3Fi%29 | 18:20 |
| joerg | I know it's many chars | 18:20 |
| joerg | just I think the search is a valuable resource for history | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The pandemic toll on mental health as assessed by 8 million helpline calls in 19 countries @Nature @NatureNV nature.com/articles/s4158…media.nature.com/original/magaz…nature.com/articles/d4158… pic.twitter.com/Vhbk5K6yp3 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461023319570857987 | 18:32 |
| Arsanerit | The Corona-Warn-App has informed me that I have an increased risk due to an exposure over a longer period of time and at close proximity to at least one person diagnosed with coronavirus. This happened on a day that I made a 4-hour railway journey, during which I was wearing an FFP2-mask. I am fully vaccinated. Should I get tested? | 18:38 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Arsanerit: Sure, but 99% chance you'll be fine. | 18:38 |
| Arsanerit | Yes, I also think we are most likely fine. | 18:39 |
| Arsanerit | We did test negative last Saturday, the day after the railway journey, but haven't tested since (the CWA warning came today). | 18:39 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Don't worry too much. You'll be fine. | 18:39 |
| Arsanerit | It's the first time that the Corona-Warn-App has warned me. It works. | 18:40 |
| rpifan | you got warned about what | 18:42 |
| Arsanerit | I got warned that I have an increased risk due to an exposure over a longer period of time and at close proximity to at least one person diagnosed with coronavirus. | 18:43 |
| rpifan | ah | 18:43 |
| rpifan | my roommate had covid recently | 18:43 |
| rpifan | and i had covid in the summer | 18:44 |
| rpifan | meh | 18:44 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Fully 70% of people who regularly watch zombie media responded to a poll about COVID's deadliness with the answer that they thought it killed 30% of the people who got it. | 18:45 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Not true. | 18:45 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Don't worry too much, you will almost certainly be fine. | 18:45 |
| Arsanerit | What is the scientific value of such a poll? | 18:45 |
| Arsanerit | By zombie media, do you mean zombie apocalypse films or regular main stream tabloid crap news? | 18:46 |
| LjL-Matrix | joerg: uhm if I put that literally it will search for "term", if I don't put anything it will show an empty searchbox, if I put http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/search?q=%28%3Fi%29 it will actually show the latest stuff but people may wonder what the heck (?i) is... maybe http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/search?q=+ ? In all cases, it takes a couple of clicks to reach the list of dates, so you make search more | 18:51 |
| LjL-Matrix | obvious, but the regular stuff less obvious. Not sure what's the best compromise | 18:51 |
| Arsanerit | offloop.net doesn't seem to work atm http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria;Netherlands;Italy;Germany;United%20Kingdom;France&byPopulation=yes&logScale=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes blank | 18:54 |
| Rudd-O[m] | <Arsanerit> "What is the scientific value..." <- The scientific value is in demonstrating that what the deliberately misinformed and terrorized public believes is two orders of magnitude from what is real. | 18:55 |
| Arsanerit | Rudd-O[m]: No, I mean: how representative is this poll? Is it just another self-selected web poll, or is there some attempt at making it representative? | 18:56 |
| LjL-Matrix | Arsanerit: it's broken but you can select "Alternative data source" (or "legacy=no") in the URL and then it will work | 19:02 |
| Arsanerit | LjL-Matrix: Thank you. | 19:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | Rudd-O: wow, that's some ignorance. But then I saw a poll where American kids between 4 and 7 believe hamburgers and hot dogs and cheese are vegetable, while potato chips are from animals. Where is this COVID poll? | 19:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | However it seems to be true that somewhere in the vicinity of 40% of those who get COVID, at least if unvaccinated, get some form of long COVID. I'd rather avoid that. | 19:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | Arsanerit: if you get tested you should wait unless it happened a few days ago already. If you get tested too early it may not be very sensitive | 19:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | (of course if you can get cheap rapid tests, who cares, get tested, but you know those are not very good anyway :P) | 19:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | This is the thing about American kids by the way https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/40-percent-of-american-kids-think-hot-dogs-and-bacon-are-plants/ | 19:06 |
| Arsanerit | LjL-Matrix: It happened last Friday. I'm considering to get tested tomorrow at an official test centre. I don't trust myself for dipping the stick in my nose deep and well enough. | 19:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | Arsanerit: reasonable | 19:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Hopefully they stick it deep and correctly ;P | 19:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Can you go to a drive-through center by any chance? | 19:09 |
| Arsanerit | Perhaps, but I don't have a car. | 19:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | The thing that would make make me a bit uneasy about getting tested is, well, being in a queue of people who're all also getting tested. It's a decent way to get COVID if you don't already have it :P | 19:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | Some place where you can mostly wait outdoors perhaps? | 19:09 |
| Arsanerit | Last time I looked the local test centre was deserted, but that was before it became free again. | 19:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | Wait, PCR is free? | 19:10 |
| Arsanerit | Hmm, not sure if PCR is free | 19:10 |
| Arsanerit | No, only Schnelltest is free | 19:10 |
| Arsanerit | PCR-Test is €69,50, Antigen-Schnelltest with travel document is €34,50. "Bürgertest" is free. | 19:11 |
| LjL-Matrix | Arsanerit: Bürgertest you must adminster yourself? | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): Alzheimer's vaccines are in the news right now, so here I sound the expected note of cautious pessimism, mixed with best wishes to all involved in hopes that they're right:science.org/content/blog-p… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1461033289209286672 | 19:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | PCR at €70 sounds pretty expensive but the €35 might be kinda wasted tbh | 19:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | If you have reason to believe you were exposed, I'd just go for PCR instead of repeatedly getting an antigen test that may or may not turn out positive | 19:16 |
| Arsanerit | LjL-Matrix: I don't know. | 19:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't know either, it's definitely kind of expensive, but I don't think much of antigen tests | 19:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | Arsanerit: look at the striking difference in positive ratio between the two types in Italy (and I don't think self-administered are counted) https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/#box_6a | 19:21 |
| Arsanerit | Those PCR-tests are intended for people who need a negative test to get access to somewhere, such as for travel. | 19:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | (of course, part of that is simply due to the fact that people who take antigen tests overwhelmingly just take them to get a green pass) | 19:22 |
| Arsanerit | For people with symptoms they're paid for by health insurance, but I don't know about people with a "red warning" in the CWA. | 19:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | I find it ludicrous that the WHO and others used to say you need no more than 3% positive rate to be able to say you're "testing enough", but they said that when PCR tests were the only ones that mattered... and now we're around 1.2% positive rate, *but* that includes antigen, while PCR topped at 7.4%! *7.4%*, and that's during a time when we are considered to have low prevalence | 19:24 |
| LjL-Matrix | And they report this rate routinely in the media, but they never clarified that its meaning changed from "PCR tests" to "all tests" | 19:24 |
| Arsanerit | People only do a PCR test to confirm a positive antigen test? | 19:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't know why and when exactly they do a PCR, but sure, there's different behaviors involved | 19:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | but still all I'm saying is it's not statistically meaningful to compare the positive rates from the "era" when antigen tests weren't included (or weren't even done) to the one when they were | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): The unpleasant reality is that rich countries MUST buy vaccines for Africa et al, for two reasons.1. It helps us2. IT HELPS THEM!Kudos to Joe- World could use another billion jabs.We need real solutions for future dammit!apnews.com/article/corona… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461036602172469252 | 19:26 |
| Arsanerit | That's how I would explain the very high positivity rates among teenagers in Germany. | 19:26 |
| Arsanerit | Tested in school several times a week, rarely having symptoms even if infected, why would they do a PCR test if not to confirm a positive rapid antigen test in school? | 19:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | I guess | 19:27 |
| LjL-Matrix | What sort of positivity rates are we talking about? | 19:28 |
| Arsanerit | 24.6% in 5-14 year olds https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/COVID-19-Trends/COVID-19-Trends.html?__blob=publicationFile#/home | 19:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | Wow. But it's also very high in 15-60 | 19:32 |
| LjL-Matrix | %tr <de Anteil positiv getesteter Personen die in der laborbasierten Surveillance SARS-CoV-2 erfasst sind - keine Vollerfassung. | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | LjL-Matrix, German to English: Proportion of people who tested positive who are recorded in the laboratory-based surveillance SARS-CoV-2 - no full recording. (MyMemory, Google) | 19:33 |
| LjL-Matrix | So uhm this probably includes both PCR and antigen as long as the antigen are the €35 kind? Or maybe not, since it would be crazy high | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +38186 cases (now 9.7 million), +201 deaths (now 143799) since 18 hours ago — Spain: +6667 cases (now 5.1 million), +30 deaths (now 87775) since 22 hours ago — Maldives: +149 cases (now 90266), +1 deaths (now 248), +4045 tests (now 1.7 million) since a day ago — Canada: +1900 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 19:41 |
| joerg | LjL-Matrix: thanks for your feedback. I fully agree, I'm also noz 100% happy with either "solution". Maybe I should change my website | 19:42 |
| joerg | the (?i) is unfortunate, I wish there was a way to set case-insensitive as default search mode and still allow to override it with something like uppercasel (?I) if somebody needs case-sensitive search | 19:44 |
| joerg | python-perl-regex :-S | 19:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | The channel is also logged by Matrix, by the way. It's public so Matrix itself can be used as logs, although I'm not entirely sure what's the URL for that, but I could figure it out, and it's searchable (but slow) | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): I found this blast from the COVID19 twitter past, from a time before the GBD and the JSM letters had been penned, before ZeroCovid was a thing. I believe this statement is still valid, and encapsulates the 'traditional epidemiology values' that [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1461050099770048513 | 20:19 |
| joerg | LjL-Matrix: how about "Logs (with search): http://reise..." or somesuch? Maybe just another silly idea of mine, maybe useful. I lack full mental capacity today since I'm a tad busted by flu vaccination | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): In the era of mRNA vaccines, achieving resistance to ticks and prevention of transmission of Lyme disease in an experimental modelscience.org/doi/10.1126/sc… @ScienceTM @YaleSPH @YaleMed @WeissmanLab @andaleebsajid @GunjanArora1983 and colleagues pic.twitter.com/Alk1AeRmBc → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461051382220296195 | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Adding ticks, Lyme disease to a long pathogen list accruing over 3 decades, for which mRNA vaccines are targeting twitter.com/erictopol/stat… pic.twitter.com/2r3oktb5fu → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461054284154302464 | 20:40 |
| Rudd-O[m] | <LjL-Matrix> "However it seems to be true that..." <- Latest high-quality data indicates that "long COVID" is largely a fiction. | 20:45 |
| Rudd-O[m] | https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/long-covid-doesnt-exist-volume-one | 20:45 |
| Rudd-O[m] | To be specific: the only chronic symptom ("long COVID") that the data could associate positively with confirmed COVID infection, was **anosmia**. The rest... pretty much random statistical noise. | 20:46 |
| Rudd-O[m] | > The study strongly suggests that many people are using previous Covid diagnoses - either real or imagined - to help explain away common physical symptoms such as joint pain or cough. It also suggests that actually being infected Covid is far less risky than thinking you have been infected with Covid for many people. | 20:46 |
| Rudd-O[m] | I keep telling people "you're almost certainly going to be okay", not because I don't care, but because that's just the plain truth. | 20:47 |
| Arsanerit | LjL-Matrix: But today they reported on the news that if counting all the rapid antigen tests they have to do all the time, the positivity rate is actually 0.06%. | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An analysis of the US by its >3,000 counties during the Delta wave shows that for each 1% increase in vaccination there was an associated 1·1% decrease in cases and a 2·6% reduction in Covid deathsmedrxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461058159687049226 | 20:51 |
| joerg | Arsanerit: well, 0.06% is a good value, no? suggests that enoiugh tests are done to have a high chance to catch most infected people | 20:55 |
| joerg | Rudd-O[m]: ok, that Berenson got a style of writing that also tricked me into reading quite a bit into this article despite my initial skepticism. I found that Skepticism confirmed and on the point stopped reading that article at » Welcome to the plague so severe most halfway healthy adults don’t even know they’ve had it. « | 21:02 |
| joerg | that's so obviously biased and utterly idiotic a statement, I wish Berneson had put it at top of that article | 21:04 |
| joerg | Rudd-O[m]: your habit to tell people >>you're almost certainly going to be okay « is a very good approach nevertheless. Fear never been a good companion to deal with illness | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominican Rep.: +862 cases (now 398880), +4 deaths (now 4178), +7431 tests (now 2.4 million) since a day ago | 21:15 |
| joerg | Arsanerit: if all those tests were done within one week, 0.06% would be equivalent to an incidence of 60 /100k7d | 21:28 |
| joerg | for whatever it's worth, since obviously this is comparing apples and oranges | 21:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +20365 cases (now 7.4 million), +56 deaths (now 119281) since 23 hours ago — Mali: +78 cases (now 16758), +2034 tests (now 473276) since 23 hours ago — Kuwait: +18 cases (now 413068), +1 deaths (now 2463), +15711 tests (now 5.1 million) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +20779 cases (now 2.4 million) since 20 hours ago | 21:33 |
| joerg | Rudd-O[m]: background info to Berenson (I could have saved my time I wasted reading that shit, if I had used 'search' in my own log before ;-P ) http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/__covid-19.2021-03-15.log.html#t2021-03-15T14:41:01 <Brainstorm> New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: More for the “Alex Berenson spreads vaccine lies” file. → https://is.gd/w4vTCG | 21:39 |
| joerg | and » New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: So Alex Berenson has *finally* been suspended from Twitter, after months the most putrid, mendacious Covid takes imaginable.Good riddance. But this just means that he’ll be squeezing money out of his fans even harder on other platforms. → https://is.gd/1tfUIb « http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/search?q=Berenson%28%3Fi%29 | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | joerg: yes, they're probably testing enough teenagers | 22:03 |
| joerg | :-) | 22:04 |
| joerg | I had no context when commenting | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: COVID Spread Among Deer Causes Concern Over New Variants: It is unlikely that deer could pass the coronavirus onto humans, but hunters are still being advised to take precautions. → https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211117/coronavirus-in-deer-variants-concern | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +3317 cases (now 901999), +12 deaths (now 11291), +40406 tests (now 11.6 million) since a day ago — Greenland: +25 cases (now 1095), +1312 tests (now 100329) since 23 hours ago | 22:11 |
| joerg | LjL-Matrix: watch out! quote by Rudd-O[m] » If I wanted to track individually who has not yet bent the knee to Big Pharma and and accepted its coercive pharmaceuticals, and I also wanted to hound them constantly until I broke their wills, here is how I would do it. « from http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/__covid-19.2021-11-16.log.html#t2021-11-16T02:10:36 | 22:11 |
| joerg | Rudd-O[m]: listen, buddy: *most* of German people don't give a f* if you want to get vaxed or not. Just we absolutely don't want you around when you're not. Within a 1000m radius. And don't dare to visit doctors or hospitals either, for whatever reason, except to get vaccination. | 22:16 |
| joerg | and don'tstart to argue with your liberty or whatever shit. What about my liberty to not get infected? You got no fundamental right to enter pubs and restaurants without mask and without vaccination. Just like that "freedom of speech" shit of people like you, which DOES NOT imply anybody else had to listen to you or publish in their own media what you say, and for sure nobody has to agree with you | 22:30 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, it takes some time after contamination until the viral replication reaches the detection level, so re-doing a test maybe 4 days after exposure could make sene | 22:33 |
| de-facto | sense | 22:33 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: yes, I've booked a test for tomorrow | 22:33 |
| Arsanerit | of course I don't know if I was exposed in the first place; the "risk person" might have gotten infected only after I was near them | 22:33 |
| de-facto | nice very good, i hope that it will be negative | 22:33 |
| de-facto | yeah most likely it will be negative, but it makes sense to confirm | 22:34 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, not sure but maybe even PCR is free if your CWA told you that you got increased risk | 22:35 |
| de-facto | i think it might be | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +60202 cases (now 5.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Malawi: +8 cases (now 61854), +1258 tests (now 434564) since 23 hours ago | 22:36 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: I don't know what tests are free, but I can ask at the test center. | 22:36 |
| de-facto | ask them if you can get a PCR and show them your CWA warning | 22:38 |
| de-facto | last year i just called my family doctor and asked for PCR it was free because it made sense to test (I was not sure if i had symptoms). fortunately it was always negative | 22:40 |
| de-facto | whoa 60k cases in Germany. holy cow. | 22:41 |
| de-facto | RKI says +52,826 for today | 22:42 |
| de-facto | that can not continue like that, we need something drastic to stop this | 22:42 |
| de-facto | i told you it will be worse this winter, but i am surprised by how much worse it already got now | 22:42 |
| de-facto | if we continue like that we will reach 100k infections on 1st of Dec | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): About 6x. That's how much more likely you are to die of COVID if your county voted trump more than 90% of other counties, in comparison to counties that voted the LEAST for #Spanky. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461087830503878659 | 22:48 |
| Arsanerit | If we give up on reaching 90% vaccination rate then I don't know anymore what the best policy is now to contain the pandemic. | 22:54 |
| joerg | » we will reach 100k « I think we will get there 3 to 5 days sooner | 22:58 |
| de-facto | In Germany we currently have Rt ~ 1.2, hence double time of T2 = 4d Ln(2) / Ln(1.2) ~ 15.2d | 23:04 |
| de-facto | hence 1.9 fold of todays numbers for 1st of Dec | 23:05 |
| de-facto | so todays 52826 * 1.9 ~ 100369 | 23:07 |
| leadgeek | delta burned through non-compliant Texas here in the USA a month and a half ago. infection rates are substantially lessened now. | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Global COVID-19 cases continue to climb: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Nov 17, 2021 For the 4th week in a row, the rate of new global COVID-19 cases rose, led by surges in Europe. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/11/global-covid-19-cases-continue-climb | 23:09 |
| de-facto | of we take a daily average of ~ 40k we will end up with a daily average of 40k * 1.9 ~ 76k (hence weekly peaks on Wednesday with 100k) | 23:09 |
| joerg | well, yes. today my statistics show 1.22 based on real incidences as of 3 to 7 days ago, usually they are higher than what RKI reports based on nowcasting. You also see in http://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm that R_t has been significantly higher a few days ago. It's up to anybody's guess if the trend down towards R_t<1 continues or we will see another even higher süike in a few days | 23:11 |
| de-facto | we oscillate around Rt ~ 1.2 for almost a month already and winter did not even fully come | 23:13 |
| de-facto | i think we need a lockdown again, for everybody | 23:14 |
| de-facto | i mean why would we not need it? almost a month people are already demonstrating that they are not capable of handling themselves | 23:15 |
| joerg | and almost a month or was it a year or a decade, politics and politicians demonstrate that they have the process management capabilities of an avalanche and the scientific insight of an amoeba. What do you expect of them? | 23:23 |
| qkall[m] | Yeah and meanwhile I keep hearing "January all normal" | 23:24 |
| qkall[m] | I'm like January isn't that far and shit isn't great | 23:24 |
| de-facto | to follow the pandemic plan and consult a scientific consortium instead of nitpicking the experts that support the politicians current views | 23:24 |
| joerg | full ack | 23:25 |
| de-facto | or epidemic plan or how they call it, they developed it for years in advance to be prepared in case something like this happens | 23:25 |
| de-facto | asian countries did that and they are doing much better | 23:26 |
| de-facto | we just passed the alarm level for hospitalizations today in my state. great. bravo. | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Science wags postulated there must be a "second agent" for AIDS cuz HIV "wasn't enough" to explain it. Said same thing for SARS, an epic fail- but it checks out for SARS2.You need 2 things.The virus isn't enough.You also need stupidity. pic.twitter.com/we17Dtibeo → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461097649071964167 | 23:30 |
| de-facto | that means the highest escalation level for incidence and hospitalizations, but what happens? | 23:32 |
| de-facto | exactly nothing i guess | 23:32 |
| de-facto | correction: the alarm level is reached because of incidence not because of hospitalizations | 23:34 |
| de-facto | lol correction again: "Alert level: From hospitalization incidence of 12.0 or from 390 intensive care beds occupied by COVID-19 patients." so that is the case the 390 beds are surpassed | 23:36 |
| de-facto | Nov 1st 278 beds now Nov 17th 444 beds | 23:38 |
| de-facto | so indeed the alert level for hospitalizations is surpassed with a *supersteep* increase | 23:39 |
| de-facto | https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen | 23:39 |
| de-facto | with super steep i mean hospitalization Rt ~ 1.11 doubling each 27 days | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vaccine opponents are blocking the main garage entrance of a hospital in Austria → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qwaud0/vaccine_opponents_are_blocking_the_main_garage/ | 23:51 |
| de-facto | for all of Germany the hospitalization reproduction is Rt(hospitalizations, 4d) ~ 1.13 hence doubling each T2 ~ 23 days | 23:51 |
| de-facto | so occupied hospital beds double each 3-4 weeks currently | 23:52 |
| de-facto | those estimates were taken from the fitting the curves of intensivregister from 2021-10-18 till 2021-11-17 | 23:54 |
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