| de-facto | today 2021-11-17 we have 3360 covid ICU beds occupied if we continue like that we would have 9797 COVID ICU beds on 2021-12-24 and 12068 on 2021-12-31 | 00:02 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +2257 cases (now 5.0 million), +47 deaths (now 127912), +44856 tests (now 27.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Josiah Grindrod (@JT_Grindrod): @hjelle_brian Just don't try to cuddle them cause...you know...rabies...and SARS... → https://twitter.com/JT_Grindrod/status/1461107771370356739 | 00:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Articles] Aspirin in patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 (RECOVERY): a randomised, controlled, open-label, platform trial: In patients hospitalised with COVID-19, aspirin was not associated with reductions in 28 day mortality or in the risk of [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01825-0/fulltext | 00:33 |
| joerg | watching Lanz (TV), feeling nausea (a comment only for the german reader) - re » politics and politicians demonstrate « | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Faroe Is.: +28 cases (now 3045), +1 deaths (now 11), +2000 tests (now 534000) since a day ago | 00:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The first randomized trial to show safety, immune response and efficacy profile of a combined Covid vaccine (@Novavax) and flu shot at the same time thelancet.com/journals/lanre… @LancetRespirMed "an unanticipated upside""the co-administration of the 2 vaccines is [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461120345922945024 | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cayman Is.: +714 cases (now 4917), +2 deaths (now 4) since 3 days ago | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Austria hits COVID high despite lockdown → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qwcl5m/austria_hits_covid_high_despite_lockdown/ | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bulgaria: +2839 cases (now 665578), +164 deaths (now 26840), +31678 tests (now 6.2 million) since a day ago — Barbados: +284 cases (now 22923), +5 deaths (now 204), +1590 tests (now 418549) since 22 hours ago — Uruguay: +255 cases (now 397143), +1 deaths (now 6105), +11173 tests (now 4.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): New @BMJ_latestA systematic review of 72 studies of public health measures vs Covid: mask wearing reduced infections 53%, physical distancing by 25%bmj.com/content/375/e0…(link issue to be resolved) pic.twitter.com/f7aA8yoBmY → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461129526306643968 | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rwanda: +19 cases (now 100183), +15735 tests (now 3.3 million) since a day ago | 02:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): In the 58.9% of US fully vaccinated, @CDCgov includes nearly 16 million people who had a J&J vaccine as "fully vaccinated." They aren't.How many have had a 2nd shot? covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra… pic.twitter.com/0EClD5EWig → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461138763875160069 | 02:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | "Austria hits COVID high despite lockdown" ← despite lockdown that started... like... two days ago? is this headline kidding me | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gabon: +156 cases (now 36943), +2 deaths (now 270), +7233 tests (now 1.4 million) since 2 days ago | 02:32 |
| de-facto | "lockdown" for all that had no vaccination in the previous 6 months afaik | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): This isn't good, folks, and tells where we're headed—USA new cases today 115,000, 7-day average up to ~88,000, a 14% increase in a week—Hospitalizations are on the rise again, 850 more today, to ~48,000—Over 1,700 deathsnewsnodes.com/us → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461151619702136836 | 03:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +205 cases (now 15385), +15867 tests (now 1.1 million) since a day ago — S. Sudan: +12 cases (now 12609), +1123 tests (now 259491) since 5 hours ago — Curacao: +11 cases (now 17259), +1025 tests (now 323149) since a day ago — Bermuda: +1 cases (now 5714), +3195 tests (now 626566) since a day ago | 03:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +238 cases (now 475166), +1 deaths (now 7349), +8095 tests (now 4.2 million) since a day ago | 03:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest topics: Monitoring the evolution and spread of Delta sublineages AY.25 and AY.27 in Canada: Authors: Carmen Lia Murall [1], Raphael Poujol [2], Aaron Petkau [3], Benjamin Sobkowiak [4], Adrian Zetner [3], Susanne A. Kraemer [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/monitoring-the-evolution-and-spread-of-delta-sublineages-ay-25-and-ay-27-in-canada/767 | 03:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Monitoring the evolution and spread of Delta sublineages AY.25 and AY.27 in Canada: Origins and Spread within Canada Next, we tracked the frequencies of AY.25 and AY.27 sequences across Canadian provinces, based on data [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/monitoring-the-evolution-and-spread-of-delta-sublineages-ay-25-and-ay-27-in-canada/767/2 | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +38167 cases (now 9.7 million) since 12 hours ago — Netherlands: +43 cases (now 2.4 million), +1 deaths (now 19273) since 11 hours ago — Canada: +2160 cases (now 1.8 million) since 12 hours ago | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Vaccinated vs unvaccinated: Europe’s Covid-19 culture war → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-europes-covid-19-culture-war-7628704/ | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +68362 cases (now 5.2 million) since 18 hours ago — Belgium: +18437 cases (now 1.5 million), +40 deaths (now 26484), +121138 tests (now 23.2 million) since a day ago — India: +11919 cases (now 34.5 million), +470 deaths (now 464623) since a day ago | 05:37 |
| de-facto | oO wtf | 06:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dog killed in China by COVID-19 workers striking it with a crowbar as owner watches via security cam → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qwhrep/dog_killed_in_china_by_covid19_workers_striking/ | 06:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saxony, Germany: +7000 cases (now 397189), +19 deaths (now 10597) since a day ago — Brandenburg, Germany: +2726 cases (now 147320), +14 deaths (now 4012) since a day ago — Saxony-Anhalt, Germany: +2530 cases (now 129443), +6 deaths (now 3669) since a day ago — Unknown, Germany: +249 cases (now 17799) since 2 months ago | 06:39 |
| realsaviorcyber[ | The Best Way To Defeat COVID Liars, Cheaters Is Challenging Them To Take Oath In Religious Sacred Sites | 06:57 |
| realsaviorcyber[ | https://saviorscyber.wordpress.com/2021/11/18/the-best-way-to-defeat-liars-cheaters-is-challenging-them-to-take-oath-in-religious-sacred-sites/ | 06:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: The “Natural Immunity is Real Act”: Real or an act?: Republican legislators have proposed a law requiring federal agencies to acknowledge, accept, truthfully present and incorporate "consideration of natural immunity" in their COVID regulations. It's just [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-natural-immunity-is-real-act-real-or-an-act/ | 07:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): It is not impossible for a lineage to gain an advantage by being less symptomatic (less virulent), with carriers spreading it whilst unaware they're infected, but the advantage of faster replicating (more virulent) strains is not trivial to offset [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1461217378461749251 | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +38881 cases (now 9.7 million), +203 deaths (now 143801) since 15 hours ago — Canada: +2164 cases (now 1.8 million) since 15 hours ago | 07:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): White House to Spend Billions to Boost COVID Vaccine Supply → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 18, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qwkwoa/daily_discussion_thread_november_18_2021/ | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Vaxzevria (previously COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca), COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 29/01/2021, [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +68366 cases (now 5.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): En als we kijken naar het % niet gevaccineerde gehospitaliseerde patienten dan is het duidelijk dat er ook nog altijd serieuze winst zou kunnen geboekt worden indien diegenen die nog steeds niet gevaccineerd zijn alsnog hun spuitje zouden gaan halen! Een kleine [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1461262518836412419 | 10:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: In the Lab: Lessons from a Flint water crisis researcher about building trust in science during the pandemic → https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/18/flint-water-science-trust-covid19/ | 10:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mask-wearing cuts Covid incidence by 53%, says global study → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qwm9xn/maskwearing_cuts_covid_incidence_by_53_says/ | 10:56 |
| joerg | D: +65,371 | 11:01 |
| genera | according to RKI ^^ | 11:02 |
| joerg | :nod: | 11:06 |
| joerg | ah well, [18 Nov 2021 09:39:42] <Brainstorm> Updates for Germany: +68366 cases | 11:07 |
| undefined_bob | I wear always a mask :O | 11:09 |
| undefined_bob | I'm at the office today and one got send home because his test was positive | 11:09 |
| joerg | I don't, while sleeping | 11:09 |
| undefined_bob | we are only requiered to wear a mask when we get up from our desks. But we all sit in one huge room. | 11:10 |
| undefined_bob | So I wear a mask at my desk too | 11:10 |
| joerg | makes no sense | 11:10 |
| joerg | yeah, waer mask also while sitting down | 11:10 |
| joerg | very reasonable | 11:11 |
| undefined_bob | I have a more comfy mask for when I'm sitting and a FFP2 when I'm walking | 11:11 |
| undefined_bob | the others eat lunch inside together but I always eat outside alone. Its a bit cold but I wear warm clothes | 11:12 |
| undefined_bob | today I'm going to eat noodles with meat and sauce :3 | 11:12 |
| joerg | I wondered several times during last few week how to build/get a "personal air purifier system" that creates a local bubble of desinfected air, just around me, my head or even my mouth and nose | 11:13 |
| undefined_bob | oh there are (prototype) systems out there | 11:13 |
| joerg | enjoy your meal! :-) | 11:13 |
| undefined_bob | but as far as I know they didnt come over prototype phase | 11:14 |
| joerg | you got any links? | 11:15 |
| undefined_bob | they had a kind of rubber helmet for the head, with a hose and then on the belt battery packs and filter unit. | 11:15 |
| undefined_bob | I try to remember. Its a while ago. It was at the beginning of the pandemic | 11:16 |
| undefined_bob | let me search for a moment if I can find the link again | 11:16 |
| joerg | aah, mobile. That's probably the most tricky. And yeah, I pondered that too and came to the conclusion you need a sort of cap or helmet for it | 11:16 |
| joerg | stationary system for desktop would be great though, exactly for nasty situation like that large office room you just described | 11:17 |
| undefined_bob | there are some more advanced ons now than the one I had in mind: https://www.designboom.com/design/air-microclimate-helmet-hepa-filter-10-01-2020/ https://microclimate.com/ https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54916159 | 11:22 |
| undefined_bob | for a stationary system you need a closed environment too | 11:24 |
| joerg | microclimate, a valuable keyword. Many thanks :-) | 11:24 |
| undefined_bob | there were some effective DIY solutions for classrooms | 11:25 |
| undefined_bob | with vents above every seat, pipes to a central outlet | 11:25 |
| undefined_bob | no real filtering just removing used air | 11:25 |
| undefined_bob | you would need at least something with HEPA 13/14 filter | 11:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Orphan: Orphan designation: Humanised Fc engineered monoclonal antibody against CD19 (tafasitamab), Treatment of chronic lymphocytic leukaemia / small lymphocytic lymphoma, 04/07/2014, Positive → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/orphan-designations/eu-3-14-1286 | 11:28 |
| joerg | I think with a unit left and right corner on your desk, and carefully designing the airflow, you could create a 2m^3 "bubble" of 100% filtered air right above the desk in front of your head | 11:32 |
| joerg | as long as there's no "wind" otherwise that is relevant in speed in relation to what those filter units do | 11:32 |
| undefined_bob | fluid dynamic is pretty complicated | 11:33 |
| joerg | indeed | 11:33 |
| joerg | WTF? | 11:33 |
| joerg | LjL-Matrix: could you please immediately kickban spambot user spacecraft | 11:34 |
| undefined_bob | those devices would have to 'catch' every air before it reach your face. and without their suction effect pulling the unfiltered air into your face or past your face. | 11:35 |
| undefined_bob | chill bro, spambots come and go | 11:35 |
| joerg | they go only when chanops do sth about them | 11:36 |
| joerg | or urcops, which is what I'm trying now | 11:36 |
| joerg | ircops even | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +24912 cases (now 3.3 million), +370 deaths (now 79994), +34071 vaccines (now 20.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:37 |
| undefined_bob | chill bro, dont bother ircops with bullshit like that | 11:44 |
| elephpant[m] | <LjL-Matrix> "elephpant, not sure if this is..." <- it highlighted me! thanks | 11:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +272 cases (now 818307), +6 deaths (now 11489), +7863 tests (now 4.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Biden’s war on inflation is a battle to change human behavior: The US president needs people to overcome a new set of fears and direct their purchases into the areas of the service economy hit hardest by the coronavirus pandemic. → https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/18/biden-inflation-war-human-behavior-522891 | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: News: European Antibiotic Awareness Day: Fighting the silent pandemic → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/european-antibiotic-awareness-day-fighting-silent-pandemic | 12:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +39120 cases (now 9.7 million) since 20 hours ago — France: +30 cases (now 7.4 million) since 15 hours ago | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Anonymous: Pfizer to Provide U.S. Government with 10 Million Treatment Courses of Investigational Oral Antiviral Candidate to Help Combat COVID-19 → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-provide-us-government-10-million-treatment-courses | 12:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid 19: US government committee hears how social media spreads misinformation: Americans are endangered by misinformation about the covid-19 pandemic and promotion of false treatments on social media, with platforms not doing enough to control falsehoods, the chair of a US... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2834.short | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 18NOV21: US RO Estimate, Case Count & Charts: Information thru: 17NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qwob75/global_covid_cases_for_18nov21/ | 13:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Principal threatens to close down school over vaccination stance → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/qwomzf/principal_threatens_to_close_down_school_over/ | 13:37 |
| mortyy[m] | https://thegreatwhitebrotherhood.org/welcome/important-message-from-the-gwb/ | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I think it's vanishingly unlikely that Peter Daszak grant gave us COVID but his bullying, knee-jerk assertions that any suspicion of Wuhan is "conspiracy" while up to eyeballs in personal involvement leaves me empty.science.org/content/articl… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461313092722118660 | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): Sadly, I am still getting messages asking me about antibody-dependent enhancement from the vaccines.ADE is *not happening *. The real-world data could not be shouting it any louder.Please get vaccinated and boosted. twitter.com/arielcohen37/s… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1461321301470195722 | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +6011 cases (now 935042) since 21 hours ago — Germany: +68239 cases (now 5.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): To conclude• Based on best evidence, masks cut incidence by ~10% ✅• So masks are a good, low-cost measure to use on top of vaccines ✅• If you care about finding the most effective interventions, don’t share obviously misleading numbers based [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1461325668256526344 | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Germany stuck in bizarre coronavirus quarrel as pandemic spirals out of control: Public health chief Lothar Wieler warned of 'a very dire Christmas' as Thursday saw more than 60,000 new cases for the first time. → https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-coronavirus-quarrel-pandemic-spirals-vaccines/ | 14:52 |
| joerg | what's the best vaccine for booster after a heterogeneous AZ+BNT ? | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: New Clues to Delta Variant’s Spread in Studies of Virus-Like Particles: About 70,000 people in the United States are diagnosed with COVID-19 each and every day. It’s clear that these new cases are being driven by the [... want %more?] → https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/11/18/new-clues-to-delta-variants-spread-in-studies-of-virus-like-particles/ | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Novavax: (news): Novavax Statement on Publication of Positive Results from First Study of Co-administered COVID-19 and Influenza Vaccines → https://ir.novavax.com/Novavax-Statement-on-Publication-of-Positive-Results-from-First-Study-of-Co-administered-COVID-19-and-Influenza-Vaccines | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Undercounting the neurologic cost of Covidnature.com/articles/s4158…by @AMannanBaig pic.twitter.com/SHIbh65d2z → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461346425699127298 | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): Immunity after infection/vaccination is not guaranteedIn the USA health insurance is dependent on your job. If you get sick and get long covid, how will you be taken care of? Have offices contracted out opinions of safety based on [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1461351181519781902 | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +65387 cases (now 5.2 million), +283 deaths (now 99055) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +2653 cases (now 1.8 million), +21 deaths (now 29490) since 22 hours ago | 16:36 |
| thelordonline[m] | I Will Release The Divine How To Defeat COVID Book If Receive 1 Million USD Donation | 16:39 |
| thelordonline[m] | https://saviorscyber.wordpress.com/2021/11/18/i-will-release-the-divine-how-to-defeat-covid-book-if-receive-1-million-usd-donation/ | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): Another translation:"We need to get back in the office so I'm expanding the number of trained ecmos/ICU beds"Reassuring lmao → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1461355620330733578 | 16:39 |
| mortyy[m] | https://thegreatwhitebrotherhood.org/welcome/important-message-from-the-gwb/ | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Separate Stage 3 Trials Show AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 Vaccine AZD7442 Highly Effective: AstraZeneca’s PROVENT and TACKLE stage 3 trials show its vaccine AZD7442 significantly reduced the risk of severe or fatal COVID-19, even [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/separate-stage-3-trials-show-astrazeneca-s-covid-19-vaccine-azd7442-highly-effective | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +23634 cases (now 2.4 million), +35 deaths (now 19307) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1253 cases (now 9.7 million) since 21 hours ago | 17:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Vaxzevria (previously COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca), COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 29/01/2021, Revision: 15, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: 'Air freshener used as disinfectant' at Skye care home: The claim is among new allegations about the running of Skye's Home Farm during a fatal Covid outbreak. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-59319861 | 17:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | What the hell... What is happening to Portugal? Please tell me I'm seeing double | 17:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands;Belgium;Sweden;Portugal;Austria;Switzerland;Greece;Croatia&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&rightTrim=300&legacy=no | 17:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | Portugal is the most vaccinated country in the EU and yet it's having by far the biggest peak of DEATHS among somewhat comparable countries?! | 17:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | Sorry but at this point I just don't know anymore. Are vaccines doing meaningful stuff, or is it more just like "the people most likely to die have already died" in other countries, as Portugal wasn't very harshly hit before? | 17:58 |
| LjL-Matrix | Also, testing: indeed | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Clinical Study for Recombinant SARS-CoV-2 Fusion Protein Vaccine (V-01) Booster Immunization → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05125874 | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +10645 cases (now 4.9 million), +69 deaths (now 133034), +625774 tests (now 112.9 million) since a day ago | 18:09 |
| joerg | indeed | 18:15 |
| joerg | yeah, gone | 18:15 |
| Dredd | LjL @LjL:matrix.org: maybe waning immunity? | 18:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: maybe, but awful-looking news either way... It's not like Portugal got vaccines earlier than the rest of the EU. They just used more of them, mostly recently (as in, it's relatively recently that they are so ahead of other countries) | 18:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | I keep telling people, sure many countries have many cases, but look at two countries with similar amount of cases, one widely vaccinated, one not | 18:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | And compare the different amount of *deaths* | 18:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | But they could show me Portugal now, and I'd have to be like "uh err yeah y'know they probably injected them in the wrong arm" | 18:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | Third doses for "non-vulnerable" are not slated to start before December here | 18:21 |
| LjL-Matrix | And really how is the vaccine machinery even sustainable if it doesn't last even as long as 6 months | 18:21 |
| LjL-Matrix | I guess I should learn Portuguese and find news from there and try to understand if there's anything special going on | 18:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | (Google used to have a nice "search in English but get results from another language and get them automatically translated to English" feature but, as many of the nice thongs they ever did, they killed it) | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Again, do not underestimate a viral infection. "Counting the neurological cost of COVID-19" an overview with references there in.nature.com/articles/s4158… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1461384810618830849 | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - DECRETO 11 agosto 2021: Riparto a favore delle regioni del fondo di 50 milioni di euro perl'anno 2021, per l'esercizio della funzione di concessione degliindennizzi in favore dei soggetti danneggiati da complicanze di tipoirreversibile a [... want %more?] → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/11/18/21A06727/SG | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "Of 3,357,348 health care personnel in [US] 2,086 hospitals included...[only] 70.0% were fully vaccinated"ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-…This is outrageously bad and unacceptable. Should be 100%. pic.twitter.com/Q2z5V9zOIV → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461389530993287169 | 18:50 |
| LjL | I would like to know what you all think about the bot posting so much stuff. The tweets in particular, I feel many of them are valuable but they may just be too many. I'm afraid it stifles discussion there could otherwise be (or in any case, even if discussion would be sparse anyway, I think the balance right now makes it so it gets lost in the backscroll). | 18:50 |
| LjL | Some options I've considered are moving all the tweets to ##covid-ticker; looking at statistics for who the most "prolific" tweeters are, and just move those ones there; or, but I would have to change the code, only include tweets that link to some scientific paper. | 18:51 |
| LjL | I think I will set up a poll somewhere on the web shortly about this and put it in the topic, but in the meanwhile, if you're reading this just let me know what you think in general. | 18:52 |
| Arsanerit | With the "red warning" on the Corona-Warn-App, I got a PCR-Test at the test centre this morning (I did not have to pay for this). | 19:00 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, when do you get the result? | 19:01 |
| LjL | i should have thought about that, mention that it'd probably free for you if you showed the app notification | 19:01 |
| LjL | but oh well it worked out anyway | 19:01 |
| LjL | be* free | 19:01 |
| Dredd | <LjL-Matrix> "And really how is the vaccine..." <- Yeah, I think we've dropped the ball in making new ones | 19:03 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: They told me I should have it by 22:00 today. | 19:04 |
| LjL | Dredd, however... i was looking at Portugal's thing from the phone, and now that i could look better from the computer, i'm not really sure what i saw, even though i *thought* i had double-checked since it seemed so bad. but on the computer what i see is an increase in cases and in deaths that is very similar to Italy's... | 19:04 |
| LjL | so, not great, but not nearly as bad as it looked | 19:04 |
| de-facto | LjL, look at the date in your graph | 19:05 |
| Arsanerit | I thought Portugal was doing relatively OK? | 19:05 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, it's the most vaccinated country in Europe, so yes, i also thought so, and was very surprised when i seemed to see a lot of cases *and a lot of deaths*. but i might have been looking at the wrong graph or something | 19:05 |
| * LjL is reloading the page now from the phone | 19:06 | |
| de-facto | 21 of Jan 2021 | 19:06 |
| LjL | lol, de-facto is right | 19:06 |
| LjL | i must have loaded it using a URL that was already in my history | 19:06 |
| LjL | and not realized it was capped to ancient history | 19:06 |
| LjL | whew, well, i am somewhat relieved | 19:07 |
| LjL | not at my idiocy but at lack of actual vaccinated deaths | 19:07 |
| de-facto | portugal had a very bad wave at begin of this year | 19:09 |
| LjL | Dredd, but still, generally speaking, yeah i do think we dropped the ball a little, regardless of Portugal, we should be working more on "future-proof" vaccines instead of just assuming as long as we keep buying more current Pfizer, we'll be fine :( | 19:09 |
| de-facto | fortunately they did vaccinate their population now | 19:09 |
| de-facto | i remember we sent them personnel and respirators | 19:09 |
| LjL | de-facto, yeah that was the wave that i was seeing as if current... and i was like "wait, the graph shows they had no very bad waves before, so this is actually the worst wave ever" | 19:09 |
| LjL | i don't remember many things :( | 19:09 |
| Arsanerit | I remember the Portugal wave. My foolish colleague had booked a holiday to Madeira. His girlfriend had flown ahead of him and was already there when they cancelled all the flights. | 19:10 |
| de-facto | i wish we were as far as Portugal with vaccinations and immunizations | 19:10 |
| LjL | de-facto, tbf, as long as you were as far as Italy, you'd probably be okayish | 19:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Well beyond mink and deer reservoirs:"The World Organisation for Animal Health, known as OIE, has recorded 598 Covid outbreaks in animals affecting 14 species in 30 countries"ft.com/content/70dffb… @clivecookson pic.twitter.com/tpMn2M1Ezx → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461394960670871552 | 19:11 |
| LjL | if you look at the, urr, actual current graph, Portugal and Italy's curves (both cases and deaths) are tracing each other's | 19:11 |
| LjL | there is no herd immunity with these vaccines, but maybe when you're over 75% or so, there starts to be a qualitative difference, i dunno | 19:12 |
| Arsanerit | Maybe there's a limit where even without any or only very few interventions, one can prevent overloading the hospitals. | 19:13 |
| de-facto | well the vaccines do lower the reproduction number, just not enough that no other additional measures are required for achieving Rt < 1 | 19:13 |
| Arsanerit | I mean, if one does nothing infections can't keep growing forever, at some point it's bounded by total population. | 19:13 |
| de-facto | yes of course, but what would be the costs of that? | 19:14 |
| Arsanerit | If everybody is vaccinated and infections are allowed to grow bounded only by total population, what would be the hospitalisation rate? | 19:14 |
| de-facto | its what all those differential equation models try to estimate | 19:14 |
| de-facto | they do have to make some assumptions for unknowns | 19:15 |
| de-facto | thats the problem, we do not have enough representative survey data, let alone time trajectories for their evolution | 19:15 |
| Arsanerit | it's an important question imho | 19:16 |
| Arsanerit | as the "next best thing" after unachievable herd immunity or the cost of getting R<1 (is it possible without school closures?) | 19:16 |
| de-facto | well i would not really call it "next best" since the price will be a lot of deaths and harmed health (long covid etc) that would be avoidable by vaccinations and contact rate reductions | 19:17 |
| de-facto | that would be speaking about more than doubling Germany 100k deaths | 19:18 |
| de-facto | imho a scenario that just is not reasonable in terms of associated costs | 19:19 |
| de-facto | i would prefer if there would be more efforts into evaluating controlled ways to achieve something similar just without loosing so many souls and harm so many perfectly healthy people | 19:20 |
| de-facto | e.g. why arent we seeing more investment into intranasal vaccinations etc? | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Proposal to waive intellectual property rights for Covid-19 vaccines and drugs appears unlikely to pass: Representatives from India say that talks over a proposal to waive intellectual property rights for Covid-19 vaccines, treatments, and tests have not been constructive. → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/11/18/covid19-vaccine-wto-who-patents/ | 19:22 |
| de-facto | oh btw Arsanerit did you got a QR code for scanning with CWA to get the result as soon as its available? | 19:22 |
| de-facto | last time it took less than 8h for me | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Trisha Greenhalgh (@trishgreenhalgh): I’m hearing that @WHO can’t go all out to address airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 until we all agree on a fixed definition of airborne transmission. This is misguided. The virus is airborne. It’s not complicated. Act, or take responsibility [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1461398881472856074 | 19:33 |
| joerg | LjL: did you notice you had a fatal oopsie there? http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands;Belgium;Sweden;Portugal;Austria;Switzerland;Greece;Croatia&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&legacy=no tricky tricky :-) | 19:39 |
| * joerg thought » wait! what??? January? « | 19:40 | |
| LjL | i noticed! not at the time, though :P | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Anonymous: Pfizer’s XELJANZ® (tofacitinib) Receives Marketing Authorization in the European Union for the Treatment of Active Ankylosing Spondylitis → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizers-xeljanzr-tofacitinib-receives-marketing | 19:43 |
| LjL | Please have a look at the poll at https://framadate.org/covid-bot that I also just put into the topic about whether the bot posts too much, and how to change it. If you've been here for a while you probably have an opinion on that. | 19:57 |
| Timvde | LjL: it seems that a booster shot is giving better immunity than the second shot | 20:00 |
| Timvde | I don't know what that means for the urgency for updated vaccines | 20:00 |
| Timvde | https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1460313059445121035 | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +48091 cases (now 9.8 million), +201 deaths (now 144000) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +2468 cases (now 1.8 million), +22 deaths (now 29493) since 22 hours ago | 20:01 |
| Timvde | (That's justs one quote in the middle of a thread, there's a source at the end which I admit I haven't looked at in detail) | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Against all odds, the real American success standout for the pandemic is Puerto Ricoeconomist.com/united-states/… pic.twitter.com/irtEa4OmII → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461409016840478723 | 20:05 |
| LjL | Timvde, the third shot makes antibodies skyrocket. what we don't know is how long they'll last, but it definitely beats the second shot by far | 20:11 |
| LjL | Timvde, we also know from some studies now that you get more antibodies by waiting longer between the first two shots. we can't change that retroactively now, but i think it's likely a similar effect happens with the third shot. we do it after 6 months here | 20:12 |
| lastshell | so other 6 months and other vaccine | 20:13 |
| lastshell | I hope they last longer | 20:13 |
| LjL | Timvde, anyway the study linked from that tweet is on actual efficacay, not just antibodies, and i'll add it to my list as i'm not sure i have much stuff about booster efficacy (although one can infer from antibodies that it's "high") | 20:14 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Effectiveness of BNT162b2 (Comirnaty, Pfizer-BioNTech) COVID-19 booster vaccine against covid-19 related symptoms in England: test negative case-control study ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/P3UUR323 ) | 20:22 | |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The compelling case for vaccination in kidsscience.org/doi/10.1126/sc…@ScienceMagazine "Vaccinating all children against SARS-CoV-2 could be among the most impactful public health efforts the US has seen in decades." pic.twitter.com/pLcd30KjnM → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461413291515793408 | 20:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Kommissionen/STIKO/Empfehlungen/PM_2021-11-18.html | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: RKI - Empfehlungen der STIKO - Pressemitteilung der STIKO zur Auffrischimpfung einer COVID-19-Impfung bei Personen ab 18 Jahren (18.11.2021) | 20:26 |
| de-facto | %tr <de Die STIKO aktualisiert ihre COVID-19-Impfempfehlung und empfiehlt allen Personen ab 18 Jahren eine Auffrischimpfung mit einem mRNA-Impfstoff – der Beschlussentwurf ist soeben in das vorgeschriebene Stellungnahmeverfahren gegangen. | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: The STIKO is updating its COVID-19 vaccination recommendation and recommends a booster vaccination with an mRNA vaccine for all people over the age of 18 - the draft resolution has just entered the stipulated commenting procedure. (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 20:27 |
| de-facto | %tr <de Die Auffrischimpfungen soll in der Regel im Abstand von 6 Monaten zur letzten Impfstoffdosis der Grundimmunisierung erfolgen. Eine Verkürzung des Impfabstandes auf 5 Monate kann im Einzelfall oder wenn genügend Kapazitäten vorhanden sind erwogen werden. | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: The booster vaccinations should usually be given at an interval of 6 months from the last vaccine dose of the basic vaccination course. A shortening of the vaccination interval to 5 months can be considered in individual cases or if sufficient capacities are available. (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 20:27 |
| de-facto | %tr <de Unabhängig davon, welcher Impfstoff zuvor verwendet wurde, soll für die Auffrischimpfung ein mRNA-Impfstoff verwendet werden. | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: Regardless of which vaccine was previously used, an mRNA vaccine should be used for the booster. (MyMemory, Google) | 20:28 |
| qkall[m] | got my booster - laid my ass out. about as bad as the second shot. but i also got the flu shot too so ... might have something to do with it | 20:28 |
| LjL | i suspect if someone reacted badly to the second shot, it will tend to be similar with the third | 20:29 |
| qkall[m] | yeah that's what i've seen as well | 20:29 |
| qkall[m] | my wife was perfectly fine | 20:29 |
| qkall[m] | it's probably also worth noting i'm particular sensitive to meds for some reason | 20:30 |
| qkall[m] | like i cannot handle an entire xyzal without feeling completely drunk. | 20:31 |
| Timvde | I had ~0 side effects from both shots, I hope I can maintain that with the booster | 20:35 |
| Timvde | But it'll be months before I can get it | 20:35 |
| de-facto | i guess boostering not only raises Ab levels again, it does so with matured cells that optimized for months as well as possible even motivate further widening the spectrum of affinity (since it looks like a breakthrough from the perspective of the immune system) | 20:35 |
| de-facto | so it very well may indeed raise both, quality and quantity of antibodies | 20:36 |
| de-facto | Timvde, BNT? | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +1488 cases (now 7.4 million), +3 deaths (now 119284) since 23 hours ago | 20:38 |
| Timvde | de-facto: BNT? | 20:39 |
| de-facto | BioNTech ? | 20:39 |
| Timvde | No, Moderna | 20:39 |
| de-facto | ah yeah the other mRNA vaccine then, i had that too (just because it was offered to me, had no choice other than yes or no) | 20:40 |
| Timvde | Same, but I'm not complaining :) | 20:40 |
| de-facto | had a sore arm from 3h till 3d after the injection and some fatigue and headache later | 20:41 |
| de-facto | so i was quite happy not to have any side effects | 20:41 |
| Timvde | I had a bit of a sore arm the next day, but not to a level where I had any impact when using it | 20:41 |
| Timvde | That was all | 20:41 |
| Timvde | 37.2°C body temperature, while I'm normally around 36.5, so also /shrug | 20:42 |
| de-facto | yeah i continued to work, no fever or such | 20:42 |
| lastshell | FDA asks federal judge to wait until 2076 to fully release Covid vaccine data, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29261058 | 20:42 |
| Timvde | I got it during my holiday, so I was really happy about it :P | 20:42 |
| Allfather | Moderna was good to me. The first time I got it, I felt a jolt that didn't last long. Nurse friend said he probably hit a nerve when he was giving the injection. Arm was sore for one day. Didn't stop me from working on gaming. Second shot, sore arm. Third shot, sore arm. No big impact. | 20:45 |
| lastshell | both shots just sore arm | 20:46 |
| lastshell | pfizer | 20:46 |
| de-facto | Allfather, did you get a 3rd Moderna with half the dose (e.g. 50µg as booster instead of the 100µg for 1st and 2nd)? | 20:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Nov 18, 2021: COVID-19 vaccine uptake in health workers H5N1 avian flu outbreaks → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/11/news-scan-nov-18-2021 | 20:47 |
| de-facto | i think i do not care too much if i get a BioNTech or Moderna booster, both probably will result in a similar level of immunity | 20:49 |
| de-facto | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.10.21264827v2 <-- look at the graph on the very last page | 20:51 |
| de-facto | %title | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Heterologous SARS-CoV-2 Booster Vaccinations – Preliminary Report | medRxiv | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Adding my case, which includes preventing #LongCovidKids While it's not as common as in adults, it is yet another reason to avoid Covid in children, not mentioned in the abovetwitter.com/EricTopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461421464322600963 | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +6315 cases (now 5.1 million), +29 deaths (now 87804) since a day ago | 21:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): #LongCovidKids twitter.com/erictopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461424650068496386 | 21:09 |
| de-facto | .title https://youtu.be/4TpPvx1p2sw?t=4512 | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From youtu.be: Corona-Regeln: Hospitalisierung neuer Maßstab | ZDFheute live - YouTube | 21:22 |
| Timvde | My booster will probably be Pfizer | 21:32 |
| LjL | statistically, most people's booster will be :P | 21:32 |
| LjL | weeeeell | 21:32 |
| LjL | most people who're getting a booster in a foreseeable timeframe | 21:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/lGtQEbz https://i.imgur.com/ZglXXX4.jpeg Sources: Vaccinations: https://impfdashboard.de/ Incidence: https://corona.rki.de/ Hospitalizations: https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/kartenansichten | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: Vaccinations, Infections, Hospitalizations on a map - Album on Imgur | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +5242 cases (now 34.5 million), +73 deaths (now 464696) since 16 hours ago | 21:41 |
| de-facto | quite interesting geographical correlations | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: First Known Covid Case Was Vendor at Wuhan Market, Scientist Claims → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qwyo63/first_known_covid_case_was_vendor_at_wuhan_market/ | 21:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Sanjay Gupta on Becoming ‘Pandemic Proof’ and Eating Pickles: The new book from Sanjay Gupta, MD, CNN’s chief medical correspondent urges us to get prepared now for future pandemics. → https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211118/sanjay-gupta-pandemic-pickles | 21:52 |
| aradesh | where should i get my UK covid graphs from no offloop seems to be permanently broken? | 21:54 |
| aradesh | the ones on john hopkins aren't as good | 21:54 |
| LjL | aradesh, add &legacy=no to offloop, or just click on "Alternative data source" | 21:55 |
| LjL | also check out the poll in the topic :P | 21:55 |
| aradesh | LjL: oh wow thanks. | 21:56 |
| Guest39 | oral 'vaccines' are highly contagious | 21:59 |
| de-facto | what do you mean by that? | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +64580 cases (now 5.2 million), +321 deaths (now 99169) since 23 hours ago | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Listen: Biogen’s scientific succession & Michael Osterholm on pandemic Thanksgiving: Are we in for another winter surge? Has Biogen bottomed out? And can Covid-19 pills change the course of the pandemic? All that and more on the latest [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/18/podcast-biogen-scientific-succession-michael-osterholm-pandemic-thanksgiving/ | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): BREAKING. Worms unite in bid "not to eat carcasses" of trumpie COVID crumpers. "They're all on horse paste"! pic.twitter.com/NOZSzvTDT3 → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461446656096804866 | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +23607 cases (now 2.4 million) since 18 hours ago | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I'm gonna say something that will shock the socks offa America.It's about vaccines and boosters.Cover your eyes then, here's the shock."IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU"... → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461450659098546176 | 22:56 |
| Guest39 | https://worldtruth.tv/list-of-dead-scientists-assassinated/ Xd | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): And please READ. We don't understand all the ramifications of long COVID. The virus seems capable of quite the panoply of weird late consequences like anosmia, strokes, renal or pancreatic injury, etc.Don't forget dementia, loss of IQ, brain fog, [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1461452697396154375 | 23:06 |
| LjL | Guest39, ? | 23:08 |
| LjL | okay... | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Amid COVID, a 35% surge in calls to mental health helplines: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Nov 18, 2021 COVID-19 interventions might worsen loneliness, financial stress, and other mental health issues. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/11/amid-covid-35-surge-calls-mental-health-helplines | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): Ah, yes, that irrational fear of Long Covid and decerebration.Remember kids: mild memory loss, mild hippocampus reduction, and mild lewy bodies. twitter.com/ProfEmilyOster… → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1461462166066900996 | 23:38 |
| Arsanerit | I guess the PCR test centres are overloaded right now. | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): We have to weigh the psychological and physiological pros and cons from the Economic experts.The extra sweets in your trolley far outweigh the risk of mild persistent covid-19 symptoms in your child. twitter.com/ProfEmilyOster… → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1461463472349319178 | 23:48 |
| Arsanerit | How are cases dropping so much in Romania, when so few are vaccinated there? | 23:51 |
| Arsanerit | Dropping in Bulgaria too. | 23:52 |
| Arsanerit | Ow, deaths have been very high in Romania and Bulgaria, so maybe the virus infected more or less everybody there? | 23:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Antibodies wane; lower neutralising antibodies result in a higher risk of infection. Boosters increase levels above the initial vaccine rounds and will protect for longer.thelancet.com/journals/lanmi… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1461466975926956046 | 23:59 |
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