| random-jellyfish | good job | 00:01 |
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| LjL-Matrix | Dredd, de-facto, leading scientific evidence shows that if after you get your vaccine you jump in front of a train to ensure the vaccine gets mixed well within your body, you will never get covid | 00:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | <disclaimer>not medical advice</disclaimer> | 00:07 |
| dzho | oof | 00:12 |
| dzho | there's a new twist on the trolley problem | 00:12 |
| LjL | Hey I'm not a trolley | 00:13 |
| dzho | wait. are you implying you're a problem? | 00:13 |
| de-facto | no shaking or mixing allowed with the vaccine. only gently inverting it 10 times is the official advise | 00:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Andorra: +213 cases (now 16299) since 3 days ago | 00:33 |
| Dredd | Since the vaccine will quickly diffuse, the inflammatory response will isolate the wound and muscle is rich in blood then I don't think we need to worry about the vaccine leaking out 🙂 | 00:49 |
| Dredd | From squishing I mean, any more than normal | 00:49 |
| Dredd | Not that I advocate for a strict routine of squishing either 😂. Just not overthinking | 00:50 |
| Dredd | If it were incorrectly administered into a non superficial blood vessel on the other hand... | 00:51 |
| LjL | dzho, it's hard to deny | 01:43 |
| LjL | but i'm probably more than just the bifurcation type | 01:43 |
| de-facto | 4.669201609102990671853203820466... | 01:52 |
| LjL | nerd | 01:53 |
| de-facto | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 01:54 |
| dzho | ok yeah that's totally nerdy, had to look that one up | 01:58 |
| joerg | Spanish friend told me "we already reached herd immunity here" - I think that's not an accurate info, however how would I find out details? | 02:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +44474 cases (now 9.9 million) since 9 hours ago | 02:38 |
| lastshell | so far no reactions for the booster but I recall the first 2 vaccines took me like 24 hrs to feel pain in the arm | 02:39 |
| joerg | 2nd took me like 8h to develop shake | 02:40 |
| lastshell | joerg for spain https://bit.ly/3xfcPvz | 02:41 |
| joerg | first it was around 5 or 6h | 02:41 |
| lastshell | I see some cases but deaths are low | 02:41 |
| joerg | yeah, thanks. I already came from http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain;Portugal&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff&leftTrim=-40&rightTrim=3&legacy=no but I'd be interested in a more down-to-real-life multi factorial prognosis than a simple mathematical extrapolation | 02:42 |
| joerg | particularly about possible new lockdowns, official travel warnings, curfews whatever relevant for a visit in spain by a german | 02:44 |
| joerg | both seem rather steady at Rt = 1.25 | 02:46 |
| joerg | around mid of January shit might hit the fan again there | 02:47 |
| lastshell | where I am we are supposely at 0.71 | 02:47 |
| lastshell | yeah here in USA there is an increase of cases before thanksgiving and will be more sadly | 02:49 |
| joerg | that sounds good for your place then. When I told my spanish friend about above reasoning, she replied "nah, we already reached herd immunity here, new lockdowns are unlikely" | 02:49 |
| LjL | what's so different in Spain from, you know, everywhere else in Europe? | 02:50 |
| LjL | magical thinking at work again? | 02:50 |
| joerg | that's my question I guess | 02:50 |
| LjL | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain;Italy&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&legacy=no | 02:52 |
| LjL | they're having a new wave | 02:52 |
| joerg | I had hoped for Spain having reached an R_t low enough so they'd stay below 1 even with the seasonal rise of an estimated 0.5 (for Germany) | 02:52 |
| LjL | not as bad as ours (which isn't all that bad yet, either) | 02:52 |
| LjL | but they're having a wave. how are they having a wave if they "have herd immunity"? | 02:52 |
| joerg | *nod* | 02:52 |
| joerg | the question is how high the wave will rise in Spain, and if it maybe gets mitigated/flattened by other effects. I don't know detaiols of Spanish epidemiological situation like which time in spring their last winter wave dwindled | 02:55 |
| joerg | if they were at 1.8 incidences and an r_t = 1.25 right now, I wouldn't worry at all to have a travel to there between mid of December and end of January | 02:56 |
| joerg | but right now it seems like incidences at xmas in Spanien 40 und in Portugal 100. For mid to end of January Spain 100 and Portugal 250 | 02:58 |
| joerg | which looks to me like it might trigger new lockdown / quarantine / curfew measures | 02:59 |
| LjL | i suspect most of europe will have another nice christmas lockdown | 03:02 |
| LjL | "what did Santa bring you for Christmas?" "They didn't let him in, his green pass was faked" | 03:03 |
| joerg | lol | 03:03 |
| joerg | but I think what lastshell remarked » but deaths are low « is maybe relevant, since as long as those don't rise like they did in Germany, there might actually be no reason to start a new lockdown down in Spain | 03:07 |
| joerg | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany;Spain;Portugal&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff&leftTrim=-40&rightTrim=3&legacy=no | 03:07 |
| lastshell | lmao LjL | 03:16 |
| lastshell | https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimberleespeakman/2021/11/20/us-covid-deaths-in-2021-pass-toll-for-2020/ | 03:20 |
| lastshell | how this is possible if we have vaccines | 03:20 |
| gry | they're not vaccinating that well | 03:23 |
| gry | and delta is more contangious | 03:23 |
| de-facto | and more severe in comparison to previous variants | 03:27 |
| de-facto | in Germany hospital as well as ICU occupancy is pretty much the same as last year | 03:30 |
| joerg | lastshell: delta | 03:31 |
| joerg | oh gry had it already | 03:31 |
| de-facto | so what vaccinations helped is compensated by more aggressive Delta as well as much higher contact rates | 03:31 |
| joerg | *nod* >:-( | 03:32 |
| de-facto | though if we do not have a lockdown this winter may become even worse | 03:33 |
| de-facto | they have to go for a lockdown | 03:34 |
| de-facto | when did we start last year with lockdown? | 03:35 |
| joerg | lockdown-light? | 03:37 |
| joerg | don't ask, it's been a mess | 03:37 |
| joerg | and a 13 months later they still didn't learn to judge situation by looking at R_t instead of $*-incidences | 03:38 |
| de-facto | "lockdown light" form 2020-11-02, "hardened lockdown-light" 2020-11-25, "lockdown" 2020-12-16, ... | 03:38 |
| de-facto | heh they look at hospital incidence now, a metric with almost a month delay :P | 03:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +93659 cases (now 7.6 million), +1429 deaths (now 120853) since 15 hours ago | 03:40 |
| de-facto | whoa | 03:40 |
| de-facto | nonono France is +20k daily new cases | 03:41 |
| de-facto | 18k even | 03:41 |
| * LjL blinks | 03:41 | |
| de-facto | France: 18k infections, ~50 deaths, something like that per day | 03:42 |
| de-facto | maybe the bots data upstream had some hickup or such | 03:44 |
| de-facto | but it got Rt ~ 1.5 thats not good | 03:47 |
| de-facto | doubling each week | 03:47 |
| joerg | FFS | 03:47 |
| joerg | this *will* be a tough winter for most of europe | 03:48 |
| de-facto | yeah we are going to survive it though, but it does not look too well | 03:48 |
| joerg | must be me, it can't be true all EU governments are such idiots they simply don't get relevance of R_t | 03:49 |
| de-facto | maybe they learn it this winter | 03:49 |
| de-facto | its not like epidemiologists wouldn't have predicted it many months ago | 03:50 |
| de-facto | i just hope Lauterbach will become health minister | 03:51 |
| de-facto | he understands such things | 03:51 |
| joerg | the 3 stooges and the downhill road >>hey, should we start braking? we reached 20km/h<< >>40km/h now, pull one click firther on the parking brake! really, do it now!« >>100km/h shouldn't we try the regular brake now? And mayve take your foor from that accelerator pedal?« >>hey I found out that acceleration will naturally get steady when air friction kicks in...« | 03:54 |
| joerg | choir singing >>cars are bad, movement is an illusion. Brakes emit toxic dust. find your spiritual center!« | 03:57 |
| joerg | https://youtu.be/_ydKx_NTCIs?t=284 WAAAH!! | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +587 cases (now 16279) since 3 days ago — Cayman Is.: +559 cases (now 6091) since 2 days ago — Antigua and Barb.: +1 cases (now 4136), +9 deaths (now 117) since 2 days ago | 04:05 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "i suspect most of europe will..." <- Not the UK, we don't do them 😎. We prefer to lock down for four months after | 04:59 |
| LjL | i said Europe! | 04:59 |
| Dredd | Oh yeah I forgot we aren't part of that anymore 😂 | 05:00 |
| Dredd | I wonder when we will hoist the sails and get the UK underway for the US East coast? | 05:01 |
| Dredd | Got to get closer to our new allies 😛 | 05:01 |
| Dredd | Also that's where the megacities will be founded | 05:02 |
| Dredd | And where I am the law | 05:02 |
| joerg | >>...get the UK underway<< sounds like a MontyPython movie program picture I seen ages ago :-D | 05:04 |
| Dredd | The crimson permanent assurance? 😂 | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +42060 cases (now 1.6 million), +101 deaths (now 26669), +292695 tests (now 23.8 million) since 2 days ago | 05:07 |
| joerg | The Crimson Permanent Assurance yes | 05:08 |
| joerg | https://youtu.be/lNlYBNTCBG8 | 05:09 |
| joerg | I can't help expecting BoJo to appear any moment in that movie | 05:10 |
| Dredd | Ha ha | 05:16 |
| Dredd | Now I'm watching the Catholics scene from meaning of life | 05:16 |
| Dredd | 😂 | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +47887 cases (now 5.4 million) since 23 hours ago — India: +7579 cases (now 34.5 million), +236 deaths (now 466147), +1839861 tests (now 633.5 million) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +45070 cases (now 9.9 million) since 12 hours ago — Netherlands: +22 cases (now 2.5 million), +1 deaths (now 19441) since 12 hours ago | 05:32 |
| joerg | yeah, +40% from a week ago. We came from +25% not too long ago | 06:04 |
| joerg | doubling time non-cumulative down from 14d to ~8d | 06:06 |
| joerg | aka colloquial: R_t goes up in Germany. What else, we started measures against that, so no surptise at all¡ (SCNR) | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Antwerp, Belgium: +7896 cases (now 228047) since 2 days ago — East Flanders, Belgium: +7444 cases (now 189660) since 2 days ago — West Flanders, Belgium: +6198 cases (now 158560) since 2 days ago — Flemish Brabant, Belgium: +4041 cases (now 135132) since 2 days ago | 06:34 |
| sdfgsdfg | I mised it if you discussed this recent swedish research from a few weeks ago, about spike protein & vaccines | 08:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34696485/ | 08:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro | 08:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | what happened to the bot ? | 08:13 |
| joerg | %cases portugal | 08:47 |
| Brainstorm | joerg: Portugal has had 1.1 million confirmed cases (10.9% of all people) and 18339 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 15 hours ago. 20.5 million tests were done (5.5% positive). 9.1 million were vaccinated (88.1%). +1475 cases, +18 deaths since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Portugal&legacy=no | 08:47 |
| Brainstorm | joerg: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Portugal, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 08:47 |
| zutt | %cases finland | 08:47 |
| Brainstorm | zutt: Finland has had 177439 confirmed cases (3.2% of all people) and 1258 deaths (0.7% of cases) as of 20 hours ago. 7.8 million tests were done (2.3% positive). 4.3 million were vaccinated (77.2%). +2616 cases, +9 deaths, +21187 tests since 2 days ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland&legacy=no | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | zutt: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Finland, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 08:48 |
| zutt | %tell LjL https://thl.fi/fi/tilastot-ja-data/aineistot-ja-palvelut/avoin-data/koronarokotusten-edistyminen-covid-19 (not in english, sorry) - https://sampo.thl.fi/pivot/prod/api/vaccreg/cov19cov.json https://yhteistyotilat.fi/wiki08/display/THLKA/The+description+of+THL%27s+open+data+API | 08:50 |
| Brainstorm | zutt, I'll pass LjL your message when they are around. | 08:50 |
| zutt | official open govt api from the health & welfare institute :+1: | 08:50 |
| joerg | sdfgsdfg: sounds interesting, any detail you found particularly noteworthy? | 08:51 |
| joerg | » I mised it if you discussed... « use search on chanlog bot. Should prove helpful with this particular problem | 08:52 |
| sdfgsdfg | if in vivo is found to have the same effect, this means bad news, some people dismiss this by saying o the cell doesn't carry this on etc.. but it depends on further study I guess ? I don't know | 08:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | there's a doc's vid on youtube that went viral on this ? it already has about 3 mill views | 08:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | bad news is this is linked to cancer btw, it's nothing minor | 08:55 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Unt03UBhbU | 08:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | dam | 08:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | dr mikolaj | 08:57 |
| sdfgsdfg | he's really hard to listen to | 08:58 |
| sdfgsdfg | but try to stay focused | 08:58 |
| joerg | haaard. But yeah, this is not a fool selling us nonsense, he's obviously quite an authority in genetics | 09:04 |
| joerg | concerning stuff | 09:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lakshadweep, India: +9 cases (now 10379) since 4 days ago | 09:41 |
| joerg | however I can't find out _how_ concerning. AIUI the effect is limited in active timespan to the period of vaccination / accute infection, so no longer than a few weeks | 10:05 |
| joerg | also AIUI the spike proteins resulting from a mRNA vaccination are explicitly adressed to go to and through the cell membrane, no? | 10:10 |
| joerg | tbh that's beyond my paygrade | 10:11 |
| joerg | seems a probably interesting related paper is this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7937875/ | 10:12 |
| joerg | » Circulating Exosomes Are Strongly Involved in SARS-CoV-2 Infection « | 10:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +47890 cases (now 5.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 10:37 |
| joerg | actually scratch that, I don't think this is too concerning, since even IF the S-protein gets into some cell nukleus, and has negative effect on DNA repair, it only has that negative impact as long as it can stay there and only IF the DNA needs repair | 11:11 |
| de-facto[m] | .title https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/coronavirus-vaccines-and-cancer Derek Lowes statement about this | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto[m]: From www.science.org: Coronavirus Vaccines and Cancer | Science | AAAS | 11:15 |
| aradesh | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10231609/As-Austria-makes-vaccines-mandatory-GP-worked-pandemic-argues-case.html | 11:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +93704 cases (now 7.6 million) since 22 hours ago | 11:33 |
| joerg | https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/ | 11:40 |
| joerg | » ... that protein still needs to go somewhere. This is encoded in the “S glycoprotein signal peptide (extended leader sequence)”. The way to see this is that at the beginning of the protein there is a sort of address label - encoded as part of the protein itself. In this specific case, the signal peptide says that this protein should exit the cell via the “endoplasmic reticulum” « | 11:40 |
| joerg | de-facto[m]: thanks! | 11:40 |
| joerg | yeah, what I thought » We don't actually know the extent to which the coronavirus infects these cell types, nor the extent to which they are affected by vaccination (something the authors also make note of). But to that latter point, it's clear that they are not in any way knocked out of production, because the vaccine does of course produce a vigorous immune response. There's also time course to think of: Spike protein is only produced for a limited time | 11:50 |
| joerg | after vaccination, after all. The mRNA gradually breaks down, and the cells that are making the Spike are surely taken out by the T cell response once that gets going. So how long can this recombination problem last? « | 11:50 |
| joerg | » But in all these cases, we're talking about severe, ongoing defects in these repair pathways, not partial inhibition of one of them for a few days. Remember, even if this mechanism is operating after vaccination, it doesn’t shut down your double-strand repair forever. Everything comes back « | 11:55 |
| joerg | » There is no evidence (and no particular reason to believe) that circulating Spike protein after vaccination, such as it is, gets taken up into other cell types and then taken into their nuclei, in sufficient quantity to have any noticeable effects at all « | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +313 cases (now 819699), +9 deaths (now 11509), +8729 tests (now 4.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +284 cases (now 1.6 million), +3 deaths (now 27958), +19568 tests (now 10.8 million) since a day ago | 14:08 |
| Rudd-O[m] | <joerg> " » There is no evidence (and..." <- I've seen at least one paper that demonstrates presence of spoke protein in gonads, heart tissue, and other glands. | 14:24 |
| Rudd-O[m] | * I've seen at least one paper that demonstrates presence of spike protein in gonads, heart tissue, and other glands. | 14:24 |
| Rudd-O[m] | So, "no evidence" is flat out not correct. | 14:24 |
| Rudd-O[m] | <joerg> "actually scratch that, I don't..." <- That isn't the mechanism of action of S-p damage. The proposed mechanism of action is that the body's immune system itself attacks cells with spike protein (after all, a foreign agent), causing problems like neurological issues and myocarditis. | 14:27 |
| Rudd-O[m] | It's also very easy to mistakenly introduce S-p producing agents in the bloodstream — just forget to draw with the syringe before injecting the therapy — the draw is to check for blood, indicative of erroneous injection into a blood vessel — and bam you might just have pushed it into the bloodstream. | 14:27 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Anyway this is all academic. People are now indeed dying of myocarditis at an unprecedented rate, nearly all double-injected or boosted. That ought to be sufficient fact to activate precaution in everyone. | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1954 cases (now 957764) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +48334 cases (now 5.4 million) since 22 hours ago | 14:33 |
| lastshell | I got pain in my arm I thing is less than was in my first two shots | 15:00 |
| de-facto | yeah maybe the immune system is already on the wait for killing off cells blooming with s-protein from remembering the first two shots | 15:55 |
| lastshell | I don't recall how many days last the pain the first two shots | 16:09 |
| lastshell | but maybe 2 to 3 days | 16:09 |
| LjL | same | 16:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: At 2021-11-23 07:50:18 UTC, zutt told you: https://thl.fi/fi/tilastot-ja-data/aineistot-ja-palvelut/avoin-data/koronarokotusten-edistyminen-covid-19 (not in english, sorry) - https://sampo.thl.fi/pivot/prod/api/vaccreg/cov19cov.json https://yhteistyotilat.fi/wiki08/display/THLKA/The+description+of+THL%27s+open+data+API | 16:25 |
| LjL | thanks zutt | 16:25 |
| lastshell | with booster after 2 weeks is ok to don't wear mask indoors ? | 16:25 |
| LjL | strange that the site has english but not for that page | 16:26 |
| LjL | lastshell, please wear your mask anyway in stores etc | 16:27 |
| LjL | we haven't had enough time to characterize the third shot | 16:27 |
| LjL | masks will be with us for a long time | 16:27 |
| lastshell | ok, what about xmas gathering with family vaxxinated ? | 16:27 |
| LjL | in my personal opinion it seems reasonable to drop the mask in those cases | 16:28 |
| lastshell | ok | 16:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +4441 cases (now 1.8 million), +32 deaths (now 29583) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +45681 cases (now 9.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 16:31 |
| -Bridgestorm- 🌎 Temblor? Sismo? Earthquake? Likely strong tremor, with 44 reports, 6 early, possibly occurred 5 minutes ago (16:03:22 UTC), during daytime, Quito, Ecuador (-0.32, -78.56) ± 38 km likely felt 120 km away (Twitter) | 17:09 | |
| -Bridgestorm- 🌎 Temblor! Sismo! Earthquake! 4.9 M tremor, registered by QUI, with 65 reports, 5 early, occurred 13 minutes ago (16:03:23 UTC), during daytime, Tutamandahostel, Ecuador (-0.18, -78.44) ± 5 km likely felt 120 km away (in Quito, Ibarra…) by 3.1 million people (www.seismicportal.eu) | 17:17 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +22970 cases (now 2.5 million), +54 deaths (now 19494) since 19 hours ago | 17:40 |
| aradesh | why are people so easily convinced that coronavirus is all a big hoax or something, when it's so obvious that this is not the case? | 17:50 |
| aradesh | people who describe it as a "mild virus, just like a common cold" and think that it is a trick in order to control us | 17:53 |
| aradesh | so they can enact "the great reset" or whatever | 17:53 |
| aradesh | or so that big pharma can get rich, etc etc | 17:53 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Because to some extent that is true. Way more people are dying of preventable diseases than of COVID. COVID is not a plague level pandemic. And the unprecedented levels of tyrannic control using COVID as a pretext are alarming. | 17:58 |
| lastshell | wear a mask is tyrannic control Rudd-O[m] ? | 18:16 |
| Dredd | Looks like the offloop data is broken for the UK: https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 18:49 |
| darsie | Dredd: try https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom&logScale=yes&cumulative=no&miscType=Reff&legacy=no | 18:55 |
| Dredd | Ah, had it changed? | 18:57 |
| Dredd | * Ah, has it changed? | 18:57 |
| darsie | idk | 18:57 |
| Dredd | That works thanks! | 18:57 |
| Dredd | Looks like browsing to the main page is broken https://offloop.net/covid19/ | 18:59 |
| zutt | LjL: yeah, usually the sites in Finland are at least in Finnish and swedish, but that isn't even in swedish lol | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +10044 cases (now 4.9 million), +83 deaths (now 133330) since a day ago — Eritrea: +35 cases (now 7223) since 23 hours ago | 19:01 |
| zutt | probably made in a hurry and forgotten or something | 19:01 |
| darsie | lastshell: Requiring seat belts is tyrannical. | 19:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | zutt: jag såg också det :p | 19:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: you need &legacy=no or to click "Alternative data source" as the primary one is broken | 19:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | Not sure if it will be fixed, I'm afraid not | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +43729 cases (now 10.0 million), +165 deaths (now 144579) since 23 hours ago | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +6777 cases (now 5.1 million), +34 deaths (now 87866) since a day ago | 20:40 |
| zutt | ooh, govt is implementing stricter restrictions in Finland in the capital and nearby cities again \o/ | 21:13 |
| zutt | implementing.. implemented.. started today without prior notice | 21:13 |
| zutt | this is good, they removed the restrictions at a bad time | 21:14 |
| genera | source? what kind of restrictions? | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +22976 cases (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 21:30 |
| Rudd-O[m] | <lastshell> "wear a mask is tyrannic control..." <- I am going to assume good faith in your question and answer truthfully.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3ad4495a8f07183645092a77d67375388bcfaccc) | 22:38 |
| Rudd-O[m] | * I am going to assume good faith in your question and answer truthfully.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/6802ff7e08f3432db618f5cb5b32abe01b8c6bb9) | 22:39 |
| LjL | Arresting private people who elect not to wear them, or who elect to serve customers without them, *is*. | 22:40 |
| Rudd-O[m] | * I am going to assume good faith in your question and answer truthfully to my best ability.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/bed027197c20a69e922b5f419ff09ded24efb1b0) | 22:40 |
| LjL | what's the qualitative difference between that requirement, and arresting people who serve customers without gloves when cutting meat or a chef hat when cooking? | 22:41 |
| LjL | okay you didn't have to bring up nazi germany to make your point, so since you did anyway with an edit just to arouse sentiments: mission accomplished, sentiments aroused, see you later. | 22:41 |
| lastshell | quarantine camps ? | 22:42 |
| lastshell | what r u talking bout willis ? | 22:42 |
| LjL-Matrix | nothing anymore for a while at least | 22:43 |
| LjL-Matrix | (in most western countries "quarantine camps" are hotels, but whatever) | 22:43 |
| LjL-Matrix | (except in Italy where we don't have money to put people in hotels so we just tell them "stay at home, we can't check, but pls do k?" | 22:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | ) | 22:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | I honestly do find countries that enforce face-recognition apps with GPS or similar to ensure people are respecting quarantine a tad too creepy | 22:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | fwiw | 22:45 |
| Dredd | Yeah I was gonna say that I'm yet to see evidence there are quarantine camps beyond parroting Alex Jones et al. | 23:00 |
| Dredd | > tell the populace that refusers of medical treatment are "to blame or "killing grandma", is tyrannical, and dehumanizing too | 23:01 |
| Dredd | Not entirely false though | 23:01 |
| Dredd | They're certainly more responsible for killing grandma than those who are getting vaccines, using masks and behaving in all the ways that do help in a pandemic according to good science | 23:02 |
| Arsanerit | There were quarantine camps early on. | 23:09 |
| Arsanerit | When Germany still had the illusion it could keep the virus out altogether, in February 2020, people repatriated from Wuhan were interned in military bases. | 23:10 |
| Arsanerit | In the current situation I don't understand the point of Germany requiring unvaccinated people travelling from The Netherlands to quarantine. What's the aim of that as long as we don't have a total lockdown? | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +6993 cases (now 34.5 million) since 17 hours ago — Greenland: +104 cases (now 1292), +1571 tests (now 105920) since a day ago | 23:17 |
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