| Brainstorm | Updates for Zimbabwe: +4996 cases (now 150628), +2 deaths (now 4720) since 16 hours ago — Colombia: +1915 cases (now 5.1 million), +55 deaths (now 128929), +47329 tests (now 28.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Guyana: +72 cases (now 38333) since 21 hours ago | 00:03 |
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| Brainstorm | New from Politico: British politics: Boris Johnson’s credibility questioned as he tightens coronavirus restrictions → https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnsons-tories-are-raging/ | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Interesting to see single dose nor infection are great at neutralising. Especially mixed vaccination and vaccine + infection are keeping well. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1468720821204049928 | 00:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Preparing for future pandemics in the Eastern Mediterranean region: Pandemic preparedness is political, resource intensive, and highly contextual. Yet, the inevitability of future pandemics and experience of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic reinforce the [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02729-X/fulltext | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +268 cases (now 215164), +49017 tests (now 3.6 million) since 22 hours ago — Syria: +100 cases (now 48901), +5 deaths (now 2793) since 22 hours ago — Antigua and Barb.: +3 cases (now 4151), +107 tests (now 18195) since a day ago — Switzerland: +10 deaths (now 11718) since 10 hours ago | 00:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The importance of the 3rd dose vs the 2 dose treatment of BNT vaccine. Participants who received a booster at least 5 months after the second dose of BNT162b2 had 90% lower mortality due to Covid-19 than participants who did not receive a [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1468727639263305728 | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: BNT162b2 Vaccine Booster and Mortality Due to Covid-19 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rc4co3/bnt162b2_vaccine_booster_and_mortality_due_to/ | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Potential long-term effects of SARS-CoV-2 infection on the pulmonary vasculature: a global perspective → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rc4rmu/potential_longterm_effects_of_sarscov2_infection/ | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +10724 cases (now 1.3 million) since 13 hours ago — Egypt: +909 cases (now 365831), +56 deaths (now 20877) since 22 hours ago — Trinidad and Tobago: +881 cases (now 77482), +17 deaths (now 2320), +8100 tests (now 467729) since a day ago — Uruguay: +300 cases (now 401640), +1 deaths (now 6138), +8990 tests (now 4.2 million) since 23 hours ago | 01:37 |
| LjL | that looks like a lot of slovakia | 01:49 |
| LjL | %cases slovakia | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Slovakia has had 1.3 million confirmed cases (23.0% of all people) and 15095 deaths (1.2% of cases; 1 in 361 people) as of 12 minutes ago. 4.8 million tests were done (26.2% positive). 2.7 million were vaccinated (48.9%). +10724 cases since 13 hours ago. See https://korona.gov.sk/en/ | 01:49 |
| LjL | uhm actually not a huge spike | 01:51 |
| LjL | i must convene that Brainstorm's way of presenting these updates is not very meaningful anymore after the thing has been going on for two years | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Important 5th Omicron (B.1.1.529) neutralization study @JanineKimpel & colleagues extends immune escape findings to AZ vaccine and multiple types of Prior Covid variants. Hybrid immunity (Super) holds best, then mix & match (AZ+Pfizer)twitter.com/JanineKimpel/s… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1468744476935929856 | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Reminder that IgA is excellent at neutralising SARS-COV-2. science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1468746525186605066 | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): An important study from @blish_lab and Tracey McLaughlin groups showing that mature adipocytes and adipose tissue macrophages become infected with SARS-CoV-2. Another potential viral reservoir? By @RoniNYTimes with comments from [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1468747131049684999 | 02:10 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan_> [BBC - Science & Environmen] UK chief vet warns avian flu at 'phenomenal level' in UK https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59585618?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA 2021-12-09T00:01:07 | 02:17 |
| LjL | apparently being a problem in Italy too (surprisingly, almost like birds fly) and started being talked about on TV | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominica: +34 cases (now 6176) since 12 hours ago — Turks and Caicos: +7 cases (now 3114) since 2 days ago — Guinea-Bissau: +1 cases (now 6445), +179 tests (now 108008) since 2 days ago | 02:39 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Biobot Analytics: Nationwide Wastewater Monitoring Network ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/52VSXJHF ) | 02:44 | |
| LjL | ↑ looks extremely intersting and i wish we had something like that in Europe... where, sure, there has been some wastewater monitoring, but we're basically still unsure of the 2019 Spain/Italy findings | 02:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr. Arinjay Banerjee (@sci_questions): Obesity has been a risk factor for high pathogenic coronaviruses since before #COVID19, but we didn’t really fully understand the mechanism. Now, a recent study highlights that #SARSCoV2 can infect some ‘fat cells’ and induce inflammation. We [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/sci_questions/status/1468756773074980865 | 02:48 |
| Bridgestorm | ❗ 地震 警報 / ПРЕДУПРЕЖДЕНИЯ ЗЕМЛЕТРЯСЕНИЙ / EARTHQUAKE WARNING for Northwest Of Ryukyu Islands (just felt near Naze?) — Follow for updates (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp) | 03:05 |
| Bridgestorm | ❗ 可能な津波 / ВОЗМОЖНО ЦУНАМИ / POSSIBLE TSUNAMI for Northwest Of Ryukyu Islands! 🌊 Monitor http://www.tsunami.gov/ http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/ http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/ https://goo.gl/CGAt5M https://goo.gl/CuQMfg https://goo.gl/pJfbGy (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp) | 03:06 |
| LjL | that's not true, it's an M6, no tsunami, bot is being dramatic | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Florian Krammer (@florian_krammer): 3) Regarding Moderna versus Pfizer. The Pfizer samples were from early after 2nd vaccination, the Moderna ones a little bit further out. That may explain the difference. Janine can certainly clarify. → https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1468763228532613129 | 03:06 |
| -Bridgestorm- ❗ ❔ M6~ estimated tremor, possibly occurred 2 minutes ago (02:04:46 UTC), during daytime, Ryukyu Islands, Japan (29.4, 129.5), ↓10 km likely felt 270 km away (in 奄美市, 西之表市, 指宿市, 枕崎市, 南九州市…) by 188900 people with possible tsunami with maximum intensity Shindo 5+ — Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1628809622 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1599341454 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1349982641 | 03:07 | |
| -Bridgestorm- (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp) | 03:07 | |
| -Bridgestorm- ❗ ❔ M6+ estimated tremor, possibly occurred 2 minutes ago (02:04:46 UTC), during daytime, Northwest Of Ryukyu Islands (29.55, 128.96) ± 42 km, ↓10 km likely felt 390 km away (in 奄美市, 枕崎市, 指宿市, 南さつま市, 南九州市…) by 188900 people with possible tsunami with maximum intensity Shindo 5- — Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1628809622 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1599341454 | 03:07 | |
| -Bridgestorm- https://www.windy.com/webcams/1349982641 (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp) | 03:07 | |
| -Bridgestorm- ❗ ❔ M6+ estimated tremor, possibly occurred 3 minutes ago (02:04:46 UTC), during daytime, Ryukyu Islands, Japan (29.4, 129.35) ± 3 km, ↓25 km likely felt 280 km away (in 奄美市, 西之表市, 枕崎市, 指宿市, 南さつま市…) by 153900 people with possible tsunami with maximum intensity Shindo 5+ — Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1628809622 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1599341454 | 03:08 | |
| -Bridgestorm- https://www.windy.com/webcams/1349982641 (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp) | 03:08 | |
| -Bridgestorm- ❗ 🌊 地震! Earthquake! 6.0 M tremor, registered by eqwatch_RD, occurred 3 minutes ago (02:05:08 UTC), during daytime, Ryukyu Islands, Japan (29.4, 129.4), ↓20 km likely felt 270 km away (in 奄美市, 西之表市, 指宿市, 枕崎市, 南さつま市…) by 188900 people with possible tsunami with maximum intensity Shindo 5+ → https://twitter.com/eqwatch_RD/status/1468763781061050368 — Webcams: | 03:09 | |
| -Bridgestorm- https://www.windy.com/webcams/1628809622 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1599341454 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1349982641 (Twitter) | 03:09 | |
| LjL | didn't i set this channel to not report updates -.- | 03:17 |
| LjL | so this thing just went batshit crazy because the early warning system claimed it was M8 for a few seconds. which is a tad more than M6. | 03:22 |
| LjL | channel wasn't meant to get so many update about a single earthquake, though. it happened because there were a few "non-final" updates within just the span of a few seconds. i think i've changed it so it wouldn't do it anymore now. | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: England braces for Plan B rule changes amid Omicron fears → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59589195 | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +4203 cases (now 2.2 million), +49 deaths (now 21082) since 23 hours ago — New Zealand: +105 cases (now 12623), +34781 tests (now 5.2 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +50942 cases (now 10.7 million), +163 deaths (now 146444) since 16 hours ago — Netherlands: +18102 cases (now 2.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 03:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): If there ever was a time to turn the "dream" vaccine into the reality one, this is it.The pan-coronavirus one that's variant-proofscience.org/doi/full/10.11… @ScienceMagazine by @scincecohen w/ exquisite @ScienceVisuals graphics pic.twitter.com/jaxrAOEu6s → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1468780003479281669 | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Democratic-controlled US Senate passes Republican bill to overturn Biden vaccine mandate → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/u-s-senate-passes-republican-bill-to-overturn-biden-vaccine-mandate-7663444/ | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +83 cases (now 112002) since 23 hours ago | 04:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Pakistan: +350 cases (now 1.3 million), +10 deaths (now 28803), +46697 tests (now 22.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): First results of any kind about variant-specific boosters? Seems Pfizer has a lot of data they are sitting on. twitter.com/Carolynyjohnso… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1468796391140904963 | 05:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): SARSCoV2: I have something to tell you. I'm not left-handed.Pfizer: I'm not left-handed either. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1468798183778111489 | 05:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +1737 cases (now 547892), +12 deaths (now 19276) since a day ago — Belgium: +18714 cases (now 1.9 million), +56 deaths (now 27416), +113845 tests (now 25.6 million) since a day ago — Japan: +124 cases (now 1.7 million), +2 deaths (now 18369), +54365 tests (now 28.3 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Botswana, one of the first countries to detect Omicron, sees no rise in hospitalisations → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rc9j9n/botswana_one_of_the_first_countries_to_detect/ | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Wisconsin, United States: +14501 cases (now 1.0 million), +126 deaths (now 10260) since 3 days ago — England, United Kingdom: +43300 cases (now 9.0 million), +134 deaths (now 126951) since 23 hours ago — Michigan, United States: +18643 cases (now 1.6 million), +409 deaths (now 26648) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 06:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19 cases are rising among children in South African hospitals → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid-19-omicron-children-south-africa-7663643/ | 06:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +1814 cases (now 2.2 million), +40 deaths (now 201490), +51038 tests (now 20.7 million) since a day ago — Mongolia: +338 cases (now 384626), +3 deaths (now 2026) since a day ago — Panama: +338 cases (now 479901), +2 deaths (now 7381), +15371 tests (now 4.3 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +51012 cases (now 10.7 million) since 20 hours ago — Netherlands: +49 cases (now 2.9 million) since 12 hours ago | 07:31 |
| drextrano | Is there a good channel for folks that have been quariantined for a long time to just chat about nothing? | 07:49 |
| drextrano | *quarantined | 07:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): AHA News: Diagnosed With a Heart Defect in the Womb, Baby Had Two Heart Surgeries and Then Got COVID → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:58 |
| drextrano | %cases utah | 07:59 |
| Brainstorm | drextrano: Utah, United States has had 607954 confirmed cases (20.3% of all people) and 3622 deaths (0.6% of cases; 1 in 827 people) as of an hour ago. 716883 tests were done (84.8% positive). +1423 cases, +16 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Utah&legacy=no | 07:59 |
| Brainstorm | drextrano: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Utah, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 07:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Sen. Ron Johnson Falsely Says Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus' → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rcc822/sen_ron_johnson_falsely_says_mouthwash_has_been/ | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 09, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rccyd1/daily_discussion_thread_december_09_2021/ | 09:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: German families seek shelter in Paraguay from vaccines and lockdowns | 07DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rcd46d/german_families_seek_shelter_in_paraguay_from/ | 09:13 |
| sdfgsdfg | hey guys, so | 09:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | Florian Krammer mentions there are now about 5 lab result researches around neutralization with omicron etc | 09:27 |
| sdfgsdfg | but I can't figure out how the findings of these results compare with Pfizer and Moderna's statement “Although two doses of the vaccine may still offer protection against severe disease caused by the Omicron strain, it’s clear from these preliminary data that protection is improved with a third dose of our vaccine,” said Albert Bourla, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pfizer. | 09:27 |
| sdfgsdfg | which research is pfizer's announcement based on ? | 09:28 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-omicron-variant | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kerala, India: +5038 cases (now 5.2 million), +112 deaths (now 42014) since 23 hours ago — Maharashtra, India: +893 cases (now 6.6 million), +10 deaths (now 141204) since 23 hours ago — Odisha, India: +255 cases (now 1.1 million), +2 deaths (now 8426) since 23 hours ago — Gujarat, India: +67 cases (now 827873) since 23 hours ago | 09:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | if I understand Pfizer correctly, not only two dose "MAY" still protect us, it also even protects us better than anything if someone gets shot 3 times ? It sounds really nice then, it's only a matter of making sure you get at least 3 or 4 doses if you can | 09:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'm not sure if Pfizer should be the most credible source on this, their research might be more accurate than others. Everyone MAY be full of **** :P | 09:32 |
| sdfgsdfg | "The geometric mean titer (GMT) of neutralizing antibody against the Omicron variant measured in the samples was 154 (after three doses), compared to 398 against the Delta variant (after three doses) and 155 against the ancestral strain (after two doses). Data on the persistence of neutralizing titers over time after a booster dose of BNT162b2 against the Omicron variant will be collected." | 09:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | from the "About the Pfizer-BioNTech Laboratory Studies" section of pfizer's announcement on their page | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Researchers on the Omicron Variant: "We Are Playing with Fire" | 03DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rcd7oy/researchers_on_the_omicron_variant_we_are_playing/ | 09:42 |
| sdfgsdfg | found it ! Pfizer and moderna are basing their announcement on the fourth study shared by Florian | 09:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1468593675747794946/photo/1 | 09:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | it seems its true, 25 times more titties after 1 month | 09:44 |
| sdfgsdfg | they never explain the meaning of these circles and squares they draw everywhere in their graph | 09:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | and tiny triangles | 09:45 |
| Arsanerit | Can a German speaker comment on https://taz.de/Schwedens-Coronastrategie/!5814655/ (or a non-German speaker use Deepl translate and do the same)? I find the present dynamic in Sweden puzzling. Is there any recent research comparing antibody levels between countries? Could it be that antibody levels after an infection actually last longer than after a (double) vaccination? If not, then why are | 09:53 |
| Arsanerit | Swedish case levels so low currently? | 09:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | natürlich | 09:57 |
| sdfgsdfg | the article is brainstorming about so many things I can't get a clear picture | 10:00 |
| genera | "Nach einem im September veröffentlichtem Eurobarometer haben SchwedInnen mit 80 Prozent auch das höchste Vertrauen in WissenschaftlerInnen, Deutschland ist dabei mit 46 Prozent das EU-Schlusslicht." | 10:00 |
| genera | sdfgsdfg, exactly | 10:00 |
| genera | they left off one topic, or i skipped it: different demography | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Pan-corona vaccine?science.org/doi/full/10.11… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1468867646670127106 | 10:01 |
| genera | aka more young people and them even all with their own apartments | 10:01 |
| genera | and surveys like "how much do you distrust .." are difficult anyway | 10:02 |
| undefined_bob | sdfgsdfg: they said there is still protection because of the various 'stages' of the response of the immunesystem t-cells and so on | 10:06 |
| undefined_bob | Arsanerit: also, some scientists think sweden is just only a few weeks behind other countries | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Malaysia donates AstraZeneca vaccines to Bangladesh, Laos → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rcdtom/malaysia_donates_astrazeneca_vaccines_to/ | 10:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: Safety of COVID-19 vaccines → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/safety-covid-19-vaccines | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ukraine: +12376 cases (now 3.7 million), +465 deaths (now 95444) since 23 hours ago — Philippines: +403 cases (now 2.8 million), +175 deaths (now 49936) since a day ago — Papua New Guinea: +133 cases (now 35835) since 9 hours ago | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: First Opinion: Opinion: Vaccine equity is essential. Vaccine makers need to drop barriers to reaching refugees and other displaced people → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/09/vaccine-equity-is-essential-vaccine-makers-need-to-drop-barriers-to-reaching-refugees-and-other-displaced-people/ | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Oman: +25 cases (now 304679) since 21 hours ago | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Night fever: Finnish PM caught clubbing after Covid exposure → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rceg3v/night_fever_finnish_pm_caught_clubbing_after/ | 11:08 |
| zutt | our current PM is a bit of a joke when it comes to covid decisions ^ | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: I’d like to thank . . .: Join our social media campaign on Twitter to thank those who have supported you through the pandemic by using the hashtag #bmjcovidthanksCarrie MacEwen, acting chair of the General Medical... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2816.short | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +67533 cases (now 6.4 million) since 20 hours ago — Estonia: +554 cases (now 226858), +2 deaths (now 1838), +6363 tests (now 2.4 million) since a day ago — Hong Kong: +7 cases (now 12479) since a day ago | 11:34 |
| undefined_bob | zutt: Boris? | 11:42 |
| zutt | undefined_bob: Sanna Marin, Finnish PM | 11:43 |
| undefined_bob | ohh Finnland | 11:44 |
| undefined_bob | haven't heard much about Finnland during the pandemic, neither good nor bad news | 11:44 |
| zutt | yeah, when covid started we did pretty well | 11:46 |
| zutt | we were down to 0 cases per day 2020 summer | 11:46 |
| zutt | but our PM has always lifted the "restrictions" too early, and added them too late... and even now, she went clubbing after being exposed to someone who had covid | 11:47 |
| zutt | (our "restrictions" are mostly recommendations, the ones that are not recommendations, are towards businesses) | 11:48 |
| zutt | last time she decided to lift the restrictions, she did it against the recommendation of our health institute who should be the main agency to listen when it comes to implementing new restrictions, or lifting the old ones | 11:49 |
| zutt | and what happened? cases exploded through the roof... whoops? :P | 11:49 |
| Guest47 | Hi I was here yesterday. My temperature has gone a bit down and the headache is gone. Does it mean the worst is over or can things go wrong? | 11:49 |
| undefined_bob | Guest47: thats unpredictable but sounds good | 11:50 |
| zutt | Guest47: sounds like you're recovering - temperature goes up and down during the day, so do take few measurements over the day | 11:51 |
| undefined_bob | zutt: lol sounds like the same as in my country | 11:51 |
| Guest47 | yes yesterday it was 37.7 in the morning now it's 37.1 | 11:51 |
| zutt | where are you from? | 11:51 |
| undefined_bob | Germany... | 11:51 |
| zutt | ah | 11:51 |
| Guest47 | uk here | 11:52 |
| zutt | i'm at least glad that most people started wearing masks again | 11:52 |
| Guest47 | zutt "recovering" as: how long will the covid actually stay in the body after recovering? | 11:53 |
| undefined_bob | Guest47: just give your self enough rest, drink much water/tea and watch your breathing | 11:53 |
| zutt | last time our PM lifted restrictions, she also recommended that masks are no longer necessary... even tho, our health institute said exactly the opposite lmao | 11:53 |
| undefined_bob | Guest47: thats not so easy to answer but in general they say 7-10/14 days | 11:53 |
| Guest47 | here in West Midlands UK nobody gives a s.... nobody wearing masks, pubs, restaurants full, etc | 11:54 |
| undefined_bob | Guest47: thats why most other countries are glad that UK is an island lol | 11:54 |
| zutt | Guest47: I don't actually know (I'm not a medical professional, don't take any health advice from me).. but after you feel 100% healthy, I would still take some days to rest | 11:54 |
| zutt | undefined_bob: lol | 11:54 |
| zutt | UK did human experiment some months ago as well, didn't they? | 11:55 |
| zutt | the F1 races with ~100k audience or something like that | 11:55 |
| undefined_bob | they did but some large scale one | 11:55 |
| Guest47 | undefined_bob "Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off" | 11:55 |
| undefined_bob | lol | 11:55 |
| undefined_bob | yes | 11:55 |
| undefined_bob | Guest47: but you were double vaccinated, right? | 11:56 |
| Guest47 | The UK is the centre of the universe because we own the time (cit. the Pub Landlord) | 11:56 |
| Guest47 | undefined_bob yes | 11:56 |
| undefined_bob | thats good, then your changes are high that it wont be bad | 11:56 |
| Guest47 | i am still double vaccinated, im not dead yet | 11:57 |
| Guest47 | Give me six months at least | 11:57 |
| undefined_bob | lol | 11:57 |
| undefined_bob | nah dont worry, it'll be all good :) | 11:57 |
| Guest47 | Good thing is if I still lived in East Glasgow I'd probably be dead at my age. | 11:58 |
| undefined_bob | because of gang wars? | 11:58 |
| undefined_bob | zutt: you have snow already? | 11:58 |
| zutt | yeah | 11:58 |
| undefined_bob | how much? :O | 11:58 |
| zutt | we've had -15°c to -19°c weathers in the southern finland for some days now :P | 11:59 |
| undefined_bob | here in nothern germany is no snow :( | 11:59 |
| zutt | currently it's only -8°c | 11:59 |
| undefined_bob | but how much snow? like 30 cm? | 11:59 |
| zutt | not much in the southern finland, like ~2cm or something | 12:00 |
| zutt | northern finland has quite a lot, half a meter or something like that? ski'ing season started month ago there | 12:00 |
| Guest47 | If covid had happened 100 years ago, a certain chap from Braunau am Inn would have blamed it on... you know who! | 12:01 |
| zutt | undefined_bob: https://www.kelikamerat.info/kelikamerat you can explore our weather cameras there.. southern Finland really looks almost like no snow lol | 12:01 |
| zutt | I was off quite a bit off on the snow depth.. -> https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/ | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on country response measures to COVID-19: This downloadable data file contains information on non-pharmaceutical interventions (or response measures) that countries in the EU/EEA have reported to date. → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-data-response-measures-covid-19 | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +197 cases (now 823554), +2 deaths (now 11549), +8018 tests (now 4.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:11 |
| undefined_bob | aw so much snow | 12:13 |
| undefined_bob | here no snow too | 12:13 |
| Guest47 | UK's plan B is ridicolous. It's basically an "advise" to wear masks and remote working. | 12:16 |
| Guest47 | Or they are just preparing the ground for another lockdown. | 12:17 |
| Guest47 | No masks and no social distancing in pubs is just mental. | 12:18 |
| Guest47 | So you have compulsory masks on public transport but not in pubs? | 12:19 |
| undefined_bob | the rules here vary almost from county to county | 12:23 |
| undefined_bob | but in most places masks are requiered | 12:23 |
| undefined_bob | like, train, bus | 12:23 |
| Guest47 | what i dont undestand is why do i have a flu but no mucus? Like, I'm not coughing or sneezing | 12:24 |
| undefined_bob | dry cough is not uncommon | 12:24 |
| undefined_bob | its even more common for covid-19 | 12:24 |
| undefined_bob | but also other infects can have dry cough | 12:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: ECDC: Data for the maps in support of the Council Recommendation on a coordinated approach to the restriction of free movement in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the EU/EEA → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/indicators-maps-support-council-recommendation | 12:35 |
| Guest47 | "coordinated approach"? The EU? Whatever | 12:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | the british politicians' lockdown wine and cheese parties must end | 12:48 |
| Guest47 | but wine and cheese are good. | 12:50 |
| Guest47 | sdfgsdfg its not all politicians, just the tories | 12:51 |
| Guest47 | and was the wine and cheese British? | 12:52 |
| sdfgsdfg | probably | 12:52 |
| Guest47 | I have read they got away with it because it wasnt a party but a work lunch | 12:53 |
| Guest47 | its like saying: it wasn't rape , it was a blind date | 12:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | media should have been better regulated | 12:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +15311 cases (now 1.4 million), +256 deaths (now 27186), +264323 tests (now 70.7 million) since 22 hours ago — Brunei: +57 cases (now 15301) since 21 hours ago — Bangladesh: +262 cases (now 1.6 million), +21496 tests (now 11.1 million) since 22 hours ago | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Senegal: +11 cases (now 74054), +1384 tests (now 885929) since a day ago | 13:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021/12/8a768ba9e395-scientists-develop-glowing-masks-to-detect-coronavirus.html | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From english.kyodonews.net: Japanese scientists develop glowing masks to detect coronavirus | 13:39 |
| de-facto | thats an awesome idea | 13:39 |
| de-facto | .title https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210902/p2a/00m/0na/028000c | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From mainichi.jp: Antibody masks using ostrich eggs become Kyoto town 'hometown tax' return gift - The Mainichi | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Happy to help do some #Omicron #scicomm last night on the @MCIDBern #OmicronMCID event through @SRF #10vor10 twitter.com/unibern/status… → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1468934302817783814 | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +126 cases (now 210562), +6061 tests (now 2.8 million) since a day ago — Switzerland: +10799 cases (now 1.1 million), +28 deaths (now 11736), +71505 tests (now 13.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +68564 cases (now 6.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Amid party outcry, Britain implores people: Obey COVID rules → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/amid-party-outcry-britain-implores-people-obey-covid-rules-7664603/ | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): @jburnmurdoch This has been communicated as "the vaccines are working". The headline "Delta is milder than Alpha" technically wouldn't have been correct as for identical age & vaccination status the infection hospitalisation rate was higher than Alpha & so [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1468937940357296130 | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): 4. Now vs Omicron, the variant with substantial immune escape, the 3rd shot induced a 25-fold increase in neutralizing antibody titer pfizer.com/news/press-rel…Clinical correlation with effectiveness data and duration of impact pending pic.twitter.com/91tQYSPUwr → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1468941317724000257 | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bhutan: +6 cases (now 2648), +1720 tests (now 1.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): PS I am getting very tired of people ("experts," CDC, journalists) negating the incontrovertible evidence for 3rd shots that existed prior to Omicron, which is one of the reasons why less than 1 in 4 US adults have had boosters pic.twitter.com/6CX0EJZEgn → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1468944852066865154 | 15:17 |
| lastshell | 4th shot: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/09/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/ background music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0 | 15:20 |
| Dredd | <de-facto> ".title https://mainichi.jp/..." <- > From September the town will add Ostrich Pharma-developed antibody-containing candies to the list of returned gifts. | 15:26 |
| Dredd | ... | 15:26 |
| lastshell | now Pfizer said we might need a 4th shot | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): This study finds significantly increased risk of death within the first year of surviving Covid-19 hospitalization, and; "The vast majority of deaths (79.5%) were for causes other than respiratory or cardiovascular conditions", implying substantial and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1468948012470779904 | 15:27 |
| lastshell | waiting for moderna to see what they said | 15:27 |
| lastshell | I know 3 humans who had covid last year they are still kicking an alive | 15:28 |
| lastshell | that said I know they still have some health issues | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Biotech VC firms charge their startups ‘consulting’ fees; FDA authorizes preventive Covid antibody cocktail → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/12/09/pharmalittle-biotech-vc-firms-covid19-pandemic-fda-astrazeneca/ | 15:37 |
| undefined_bob | lastshell: as far as I know pfizer said that in regard to new variants which need an adapted vaccine | 15:41 |
| undefined_bob | which might be even true for omicron | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): New: Update on Oslo superspreader event from Norw. Inst. of Public Health (FHI) who interviewed and got response from 95% of the 120 participants: Of these 111, 73% (80 people) were diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2, In addition, 60 other visitors tested positive [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1468955709698031628 | 15:56 |
| lastshell | undefined_bob the problem is previously they said with the booster omicron was covered | 16:05 |
| lastshell | undefinied_bob : https://www.wcvb.com/article/pfizer-says-third-covid-19-booster-shot-protects-against-omicron/38465894 | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Cases are still rising.Hospitals are filling up.And now: Omicron approaches, spreading quickly, & likely to cause more breakthrough infections.Are we ready for what this will bring? Are we doing anything to avert it?#Switzerland twitter.com/erwinheim/stat… → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1468958063944032259 | 16:06 |
| undefined_bob | lastshell: thats not a problem. Its just new knowledge. And yes a third shot protects much more than only two. But recend discoveries showed that even a third shot might not protect as good as it did against delta | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Document: Lagevrio (also known as molnupiravir or MK 4482) - COVID-19 - Article-5(3) procedure: Assessment report → https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/referral/lagevrio-also-known-molnupiravir-mk-4482-covid-19-article-53-procedure-assessment-report_en.pdf | 16:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Shane Crotty (@profshanecrotty): With some of my thoughts on omicron neutralization and immunity so far.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12… → https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1468962773086334982 | 16:26 |
| lastshell | undefinied_bob I wish also they will be more transparent about age/gender/race if you exercise or not | 16:34 |
| undefined_bob | lastshell: in regard to what? | 16:34 |
| lastshell | in reward if you need booster or 4th shoot | 16:35 |
| undefined_bob | that all doesnt matter | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Word Economic Forum on Future of Health & Healthcare: Timely & transparent sharing of genomic data is critical to avoid future pandemics & that’s why we need a system that could compensate countries to identify & share information of global [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1468964579510128649 | 16:35 |
| lastshell | it does matter | 16:35 |
| undefined_bob | in this regard | 16:35 |
| undefined_bob | no | 16:35 |
| lastshell | more obese people die of covid | 16:35 |
| lastshell | ofcourse it matters | 16:35 |
| lastshell | don't been brainwashed by the media | 16:35 |
| undefined_bob | no, its does not. It just affect your individual risk calculation. But has nothing to do if you should get your 3rd shot or not | 16:36 |
| lastshell | I got my booster recently I will spend xmas with family and we have people over 60 | 16:37 |
| undefined_bob | and the answer is always: yes you should get your 3rd shot. and if later needed even a fourth | 16:37 |
| lastshell | but now that I need other shot | 16:37 |
| lastshell | doesn't make sense anymore | 16:37 |
| lastshell | is just a clown show | 16:37 |
| undefined_bob | 'now' is probably in 6-9 month | 16:37 |
| undefined_bob | or even later | 16:37 |
| undefined_bob | its not like tomorrow | 16:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3838 cases (now 1.8 million), +28 deaths (now 29915) since 23 hours ago | 16:39 |
| lastshell | so in 6 months other shot | 16:39 |
| undefined_bob | and thats also not new news. scientist even suspected something like a yearly shot already very early in the pandemic | 16:39 |
| undefined_bob | like we do with the seasonal flu too | 16:39 |
| lastshell | I been not taking the flu shoot last 3 years | 16:40 |
| lastshell | I get less sick amazingly | 16:40 |
| lastshell | exercise is the answer imho | 16:41 |
| undefined_bob | it helps, of course but its not the cure for everything | 16:41 |
| undefined_bob | I have to go now. take care and stay healthy | 16:42 |
| lastshell | thanks for been nice even if im crazy thank you undefined_bob | 16:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Céline Gounder, MD, ScM, FIDSA (@celinegounder): 1/ What does it mean for Omicron to be relatively immune-evading?Think of antibodies like Velcro stripsthat were more sticky with old variantsbut don't stick as well to Omicron.with @MSNBC's @ChrisHayesTV & my friend @EricTopol [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1468969576088018952 | 16:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +1771 cases (now 1.8 million), +59 deaths (now 38600), +69219 tests (now 26.2 million) since a day ago | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The approval yesterday for Astra Zeneca's monoclonal antibody for long term prevention apnews.com/article/corona… by @matthewaperrone This is good but we need data for all all monoclonals vs Omicron pic.twitter.com/tioARPDpaB → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1468973527306944513 | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Covid-19: Whatever happened to the Novavax vaccine? → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rcko6m/covid19_whatever_happened_to_the_novavax_vaccine/ | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen, COVID-19 vaccine (Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 11/03/2021, Revision: 11, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/covid-19-vaccine-janssen | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 839: The long and the short of it: get vaccinated: TWiV reviews the impact of vaccination on SARS-CoV-2, the latest information on Omicron, West Nile virus transmission by organ transplantation, and why a 16 week interval between doses of BNT162b2 vaccine is better than a shorter interval. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-839/ | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +19812 cases (now 2.9 million), +78 deaths (now 20372) since 23 hours ago | 17:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: FDA expands authorization for Pfizer’s Covid-19 booster to cover 16- and 17-year-olds → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/09/fda-expands-authorization-for-pfizers-covid-19-booster-to-cover-16-and-17-year-olds/ | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Jeffrey Barrett (@jcbarret): Good piece on what we've learned in a short time about Omicron, and how to think about it in places that aren't yet observing community transmission. twitter.com/sarahzhang/sta… → https://twitter.com/jcbarret/status/1468986239735013382 | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: FDA expands Pfizer COVID booster, opens extra dose to age 16 → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/fda-expands-pfizer-covid-booster-opens-extra-dose-to-age-16-7664828/ | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +12516 cases (now 5.2 million), +79 deaths (now 134551), +312828 tests (now 124.2 million) since a day ago | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Anonymous: Pfizer and BioNTech Receive U.S. FDA Emergency Use Authorization of COVID-19 Vaccine Booster for Individuals 16 Years and Older → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-receive-us-fda-emergency-use | 18:13 |
| drextrano | %cases Utah | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | drextrano: Utah, United States has had 607954 confirmed cases (20.3% of all people) and 3622 deaths (0.6% of cases; 1 in 827 people) as of 11 hours ago. 716883 tests were done (84.8% positive). +1423 cases, +16 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Utah&legacy=no | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | drextrano: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Utah, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): In Norway, two sides have been fighting to win the narrative during the pandemic. One representing science. The other,the GBD stance. For 1.5 years the first won. This summer the second took over. Results are devastating and drawing international attention [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1468993499525701634 | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): I can think of no better proof for that statement being false, than the figure posted above. Covid is not like the flu. Norway is about to re-learn that fact, after first having learned, then gas-lightedRef. to my advice presented in mid March 2020: [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1468996104700280843 | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +5446 cases (now 2.7 million), +41 deaths (now 30787) since 23 hours ago — Mozambique: +260 cases (now 152586), +2860 tests (now 994757) since 23 hours ago — Kosovo: +19 cases (now 161176), +1 deaths (now 2986) since 23 hours ago | 18:37 |
| s1gyn | There seems to be a contradictory information about if you should wait 6 months for an mrna booster or not. | 18:41 |
| s1gyn | Like most state agencies say 6 months. But the talking heads on TV and Dr. Fauci and friends have been saying to "Get boosted" without mentioning 6 months | 18:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): From South Africa, Tshwane Metro: of all those in the age group 0-2 years registered with SARS-CoV-2 infection during last half of Nov., almost 75% were hospitalized. Remember, there are likely many unregistered cases. But new and worrying demographic [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1469000667377328130 | 18:50 |
| Raf[m] | I haven't seen any contradiction. It says 6 months after last dose of mrna, or sooner if Janssen | 18:50 |
| Arsanerit | A friend of a colleague was sent away from a vaccination centre after queueing for several hours, because it was 3 days short of 6 months since the 2nd dose. | 18:52 |
| Arsanerit | Can a German speaker comment on https://taz.de/Schwedens-Coronastrategie/!5814655/ (or a non-German speaker use Deepl translate and do the same)? I find the present dynamic in Sweden puzzling. Is there any recent research comparing antibody levels between countries? Could it be that antibody levels after an infection actually last longer than after a (double) vaccination? If not, then why are | 18:53 |
| Arsanerit | Swedish case levels so low currently? (I asked this question 9 hours ago, repeating it now as there will be different people present now) | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The Omicron neutralization data posted by @janinekimpel and colleagues is noteworthy for 2 points1. Mix & match helps (Panel c, AZ + mRNA) but we are not doing that enough; companies/gov't don't support2. Lack of Prior Covid w/ Alpha, Beta, Delta (e,f,g) to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1469001809360424968 | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sri Lanka: +744 cases (now 570672), +22 deaths (now 14555) since 23 hours ago — Kenya: +144 cases (now 255796), +2 deaths (now 5339), +5897 tests (now 2.9 million) since 23 hours ago — Curacao: +23 cases (now 17540), +1907 tests (now 347730) since 23 hours ago | 19:02 |
| Timvde | So if we should "mix & match" according to that tweet, should I get an AZ booster instead? | 19:04 |
| Timvde | not that I can even get it if I wanted to... | 19:04 |
| LjL | Timvde, the vast majority of "mix and match" studies i've seen were with AZ as *first and second* shot, because, eh, they just don't really expect AZ to be used in our countries anymore | 19:11 |
| LjL | so at the very least, it's unknown whether that would be better | 19:11 |
| Timvde | I should probably wait a couple of weeks anyway, I just got my flu shot | 19:15 |
| Timvde | Wait, that was unrelated, not sure what I thought I was replying to | 19:16 |
| LjL | Timvde, here they would ask you whether you got other vaccines in the past 4 weeks, and i suspect that makes you temporarily ineligible (even though they optionally give a flu shot *with* the COVID vaccine to elderly people) | 19:17 |
| LjL | you are forgiven | 19:17 |
| Timvde | Oh, right, lol, I just read an article saying that the EMA states that a booster shot can be given 3 months after the second one | 19:17 |
| Raf[m] | imho you should just mix n match between good vaccines like pfizer and moderna | 19:17 |
| LjL | it was not unrelated, for certain values of unrelated | 19:17 |
| Raf[m] | as your booster | 19:17 |
| LjL | Raf[m], well if he got AZ as his first, that's a bit hard to achieve :P | 19:17 |
| Timvde | Raf[m]: does that help? | 19:17 |
| Timvde | Given that they're so alike | 19:17 |
| Timvde | LjL: No, I got Moderna | 19:18 |
| LjL | oh | 19:18 |
| LjL | Timvde, get pfizer then | 19:18 |
| Timvde | Well, SpikeVax | 19:18 |
| LjL | we don't *know* how much it helps, but indications are it helps a bit | 19:18 |
| LjL | for me, i got pfizer+pfizer because unfortunately the studies on Moderna were all on full dose, but for the booster, they're using half dose | 19:18 |
| LjL | but if i had known anything about half-dose Moderna, that's probably what i'd have picked | 19:18 |
| LjL | (also i had not at all expected that i could choose, so i wasn't prepared to make a decision) | 19:19 |
| * Arsanerit will get Spikevax tomorrow | 19:19 | |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): That explains why reinfection with Omicron has more than doubled in people with prior Covid, likely little cross-reactivity for neutralizing antibodyAnd "Super" (h) are the hybrids who had Covid and got vaccinated → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1469005964858691584 | 19:19 |
| Arsanerit | 1st and 2nd dose were Comirnaty | 19:19 |
| Raf[m] | LjL: he was implying to use AZ as the booster though | 19:20 |
| Timvde | Raf[m]: so implying I got an mRNA vaccine as my first shots :) | 19:21 |
| LjL | Timvde, fwiw, one of the three studies (that i should eh probably add to my collection before even my own reminder to add it leaves the backscroll and my brain), at least i think it was one of those three, found *no* neutralization of Omicron for AZ + some mRNA. so while AZ + mRNA is quite certainly better than AZ alone, it may still not be as good as a mix and match of mRNA. even though, yes, it stands to reason that since AZ is "more different", mixing would | 19:21 |
| LjL | help. but it is also a vaccine with low efficacy to begin with... | 19:21 |
| Timvde | Oh, yes, so you got that, nvm | 19:21 |
| LjL | Raf[m], you're right, i got confused | 19:21 |
| LjL | sorry | 19:21 |
| Raf[m] | I think half dose moderna is still greater than pfizer. aren't we talking 50 mcg vs. 30 mcg? | 19:21 |
| LjL | Raf[m], apples to oranges :P | 19:21 |
| LjL | yes the raw amount is greater | 19:22 |
| LjL | but what matters is how efficiently that raw amount gets translated into proteins | 19:22 |
| Raf[m] | no problem i can see my reply being confusing out of context | 19:22 |
| LjL | and the only way to know that is to measure the antibodies elicited | 19:22 |
| Timvde | According to that last tweet, AZ + Pfizer seems to protect the best of all vaccine combinations | 19:22 |
| Raf[m] | how much difference is there really between pfizer-biontech and moderna? | 19:22 |
| Raf[m] | isn't the target the same? | 19:22 |
| LjL | otherwise 100mcg vs 30mcg would have been a no brainer, right? | 19:23 |
| Raf[m] | (other than the dose) | 19:23 |
| LjL | Raf[m], the sequences used are not identical | 19:23 |
| LjL | and probably the magical nanolipids are also not identical, although that's harder to know (for me at least) | 19:23 |
| Raf[m] | very interesting, thank you | 19:24 |
| LjL | Raf[m], for a start, both of them don't actually use mRNA, but a modified version of mRNA (Moderna calls is... modRNA! guess what their name comes from :P) that's supposed to be less attackable by the immune system before it's gone into cells and made proteins | 19:24 |
| LjL | but then the actual m(od)RNA sequence is modified to make it more stable | 19:25 |
| LjL | but the modifications chosen are not the same, and we know that because someone, bless them, has "reverse engineered" both sequences | 19:25 |
| LjL | %links reverse engineer | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Sorry, nothing found. Try with broader keywords | 19:25 |
| LjL | %links engineer! | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Sorry, nothing found. Try with broader keywords | 19:25 |
| * LjL slaps Brainstorm with spikey proteins | 19:25 | |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Do as you wish! | 19:25 |
| LjL | did i really not add it? i can't find it | 19:28 |
| LjL | if i didn't add *that*... the mind boggles | 19:28 |
| LjL | Raf[m], well, i reversed to search by log grepping, but here it is https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV2-spike-encoding-mRNA-sequences-for-vaccines-BNT-162b2-and-mRNA-1273 not that i can understand anything *from* the RNA sequence of course :P but it's kind of mystical to actually stare at the plaintext sequence | 19:30 |
| LjL | (also, it is color-coded to indicate its main components, which is a bit instructive) | 19:30 |
| LjL | reverted* | 19:30 |
| LjL | the actual thing is the first pdf in the repo, last two pages | 19:31 |
| LjL | you can feed them to diff i guess :P | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eswatini: +1084 cases (now 50337), +1465 tests (now 399545) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +50377 cases (now 10.7 million), +150 deaths (now 146592) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +258 cases (now 409490), +2 deaths (now 4214), +2870 tests (now 2.5 million) since a day ago — Eritrea: +50 cases (now 7583) since a day ago | 19:33 |
| Raf[m] | oh this is great | 19:37 |
| Raf[m] | nice resource | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): T-cells Response is key to understand protection vaccines! SA has leading T-cell immunologists who can not get reagents for the silly travel ban to Southern Africa when omicron is inat least 60 countries in the world. See below twitter.com/virusmonologue… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1469012181257801735 | 19:38 |
| LjL | Timvde, maybe i should also point out just for you know... when i said "get pfizer" what i meant is "based on what i think i know, if i had had Moderna before and could choose boosters now, i'd get Pfizer personally, although i'd also be aware that i may get more/different adverse reactions" | 19:47 |
| * LjL strikes off "Add disclaimer to things" from his todo list | 19:47 | |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add reverse-engineering effort of Moderna and Pfizer/BNT: I can't possibly think why I hadn't this already here before. But oh well, now it is. → https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/eb743d3fc7d72f71450d79bb2df2400c6e0b5f3b | 19:48 |
| Timvde | LjL: no need for a disclaimer for me :P | 19:49 |
| Timvde | I wouldn't go looking for IRC logs if anyone had told me to get Pfizer and then I got more side effects than I got from my Moderna vaccine | 19:50 |
| LjL | still, i request "no medical advice" in the channel entrymsg, i should at least attempt to do something vaguely like respecting that :P | 19:50 |
| LjL | "get pfizer" was a bit blunt | 19:50 |
| Timvde | I understand, but no worries ;) | 19:51 |
| Timvde | I'm not planning to break my streak of not having any severe side effects from any vaccine at all ;) | 19:51 |
| LjL | part of why i choose to go with what i had already had before was specifically because i had had absolutely no side effects from it, so i thought, "since i don't really know anything about the efficacy of half-dose Moderna, may as well go for minimizing side effects" | 19:51 |
| LjL | i think i may have forgotten to add the "Heterologous" tag to a few papers about boosters where it would have applied on Zotero, hmm | 19:52 |
| LjL | shouldn't be too many to go through | 19:53 |
| LjL | Timvde, well i think really most of the papers about boosters include mix-and-match aka heterologous vaccination material. so here's what i have, minus whatever i forgot to add (someone important on Twitter has recently annotated a chart from a paper in a way that humans can understand it, so maybe you could look at that, too, i'll find it) so https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid_links/search/booster/titleCreatorYear/items/J9CBHNFJ/item-list or if that's | 19:56 |
| LjL | too many to go through, type "heterologous" in the search box and a few will still be there | 19:56 |
| LjL | i think you may be kind of in luck since for most people, they had Pfizer first, and nothing has been written on getting that *and then* half a dose of Moderna. but you had a full Moderna dose, so that's something that has been looked at | 19:57 |
| LjL | Timvde, this thread https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1466543929935818761 | 20:00 |
| LjL | (and that chart in particular) | 20:00 |
| LjL | so it would look like at least against wild-type virus (who knows omicron), moderna+moderna is better than moderna+pfizer/bnt, but again that's a full dose of moderna... | 20:01 |
| LjL | (also it's just the antibodies, B cell and T cell response, who knows) | 20:02 |
| LjL | either looks much better than boosting with J&J though, and J&J is similar to AZ except it's one shot :P | 20:02 |
| Timvde | LjL: do we conclude that the Moderna vaccine is just the better one? :) | 20:05 |
| LjL | Timvde, well in general i would say yes to be honest, but when you halve the dose i just don't know | 20:05 |
| LjL | let's put it like this: it's probably good for you that you got moderna as your first and second. as to the third? *shrug* :P | 20:06 |
| LjL | remember Scandinavia stopped using Moderna on people <30 because they feared too much myocarditis risk for the benefit. was theirs an overreaction? i don't know, but then Moderna actually did recommend halving the dose, they probably didn't just do it to have more doses | 20:07 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Now the evidence. We all remember the NIH-sponsored heterologous boost study that measured antibody levels in people who got each of the 3 vaccines in the US, boosted by a single dose of any of the 3 vaccine types (9 combinations). https://t.co/i7WkdYoA6V ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/HXD9XIHC ) | 20:09 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +22388 cases (now 3.1 million), +22 deaths (now 90060), +75251 tests (now 20.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Isle of Man: +116 cases (now 12346) since a day ago — Djibouti: +5 cases (now 13514), +548 tests (now 249860) since a day ago | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Today and together, north and south, Caucasian, Asian, Africans and South Americans, we can work together to show the world that diversity and solidarity can change this pandemic! Let’s unite in diversity and fight the virus → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1469022437857800193 | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahamas: +13 cases (now 22859), +482 tests (now 171259) since a day ago — Cabo Verde: +12 cases (now 38482) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +19799 cases (now 2.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 20:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Dec 09, 2021: COVID vaccination and nursing home deaths Short after-birth hospital stay during COVID-19 → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/covid-19-scan-dec-09-2021 | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: FDA authorizes boosters for ages 16 and 17 ahead of holidays, omicron [Updated] → https://arstechnica.com/ | 21:14 |
| sdfgsdfg | we want babyboosters | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +56886 cases (now 8.2 million), +136 deaths (now 121153) since 23 hours ago — Spain: +26412 cases (now 5.3 million), +84 deaths (now 88321) since a day ago — Burundi: +87 cases (now 20610) since a day ago — Benin: +34 cases (now 24897) since 3 days ago | 21:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: TWiV 839: The long and the short of it: get vaccinated: TWiV reviews the impact of vaccination on SARS-CoV-2, the latest information on Omicron, West Nile virus transmission by organ transplantation, and why a 16 week interval between doses of BNT162b2 vaccine is [... want %more?] → https://www.virology.ws/2021/12/09/twiv-839-the-long-and-the-short-of-it-get-vaccinated/ | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Listen: Biogen, Biogen, Biogen, with a dash of Omicron: How did the Aduhelm debacle push Biogen to the brink? And what's the latest on Omicron? All that and more on the latest episode of "The Readout LOUD." Listen now: → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/09/podcast-biogen-biogen-biogen-with-a-dash-of-omicron/ | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marco Gerdol (@MGerdol): A much needed update on the SARS-CoV-2 spike NTD insertion hotspot. Besides ins214EPE (found in omicron), ~40 other similar short insertions had previously occurred at the same location, including in alpha and delta @PeacockFlu biorxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/MGerdol/status/1469055012223528969 | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +64896 cases (now 6.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 22:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Milano, focolaio di Covid dopo lo spettacolo alla Scala: “A cosa serve il Super Green Pass? A niente come da previsioni” → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/rcrviu/milano_focolaio_di_covid_dopo_lo_spettacolo_alla/ | 22:40 |
| sdfgsdfg | whaaaaa 64k cases in germany wtf | 22:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | some news about tromethamine being a new ingredient in vaccines for kids to preserve the pH etc. News article says it might have side effects but I couldn't find any research on that it looks safer than anything | 22:55 |
| sdfgsdfg | it's not the article but a nurse mentioned in the article* | 22:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | that says these things | 22:56 |
| * enyc meows | 23:04 | |
| * enyc continues to wonder about cycling to training camp in january in spain! | 23:05 | |
| enyc | uerr | 23:05 |
| enyc | flying to cycilng training camp and covid fun! | 23:05 |
| enyc | planes acutalyl have decent ventilation systems aiui | 23:05 |
| enyc | and group while out there can be relatively separate | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Johnson&Johnson: Innovation: World Health Organization Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) Interim Recommendation Supports Use of Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine as a Booster → https://www.jnj.com/world-health-organization-strategic-advisory-group-of-experts-sage-interim-recommendation-supports-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-as-a-booster | 23:08 |
| Dredd | <lastshell> "I been not taking the flu..." <- Counterpoint - I got really fucked up by flu a bunch of years for because I didn't take my flu shots. Same with asthma medication too. Both are individual datapoints and should not be taken to apply to anyone else necessarily. | 23:11 |
| Dredd | <lastshell> "doesn't make sense anymore" <- It does make sense in as much as the virus has changed and we need to change to adapt. The situation is not static. It is not like flu because it is not flu 🤦♂️ | 23:12 |
| Dredd | <lastshell> "exercise is the answer imho" <- It definitely helps and I don't think anyone would argue that being less physically fit is good for you 😀 | 23:12 |
| Dredd | <Arsanerit> "A friend of a colleague was sent..." <- That sucks. At least where I am a nurse came out into the queue to check our eligibility there every so often so we didn't have to wait for ages if we weren't eligible | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Africa's COVID-19 numbers surge, but hospital cases stay low: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Dec 09, 2021 Africa's COVID-19 cases rose 93% in the past week, and Omicron cases are rising in the UK. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/africas-covid-19-numbers-surge-hospital-cases-stay-low | 23:18 |
| Dredd | <raf> "I think half dose moderna is..." <- And 4Ghz is always better than 3.8Ghz 😛 | 23:23 |
| Dredd | <Timvde> "According to that last tweet, AZ..." <- 😲 could it be? Have I lucked out this time around? What madness is this! | 23:24 |
| Dredd | LjL: I just found out that I have somehow had my booster before my parents also 🤦♂️ | 23:29 |
| Dredd | I think a lot of people may have been less fussed about getting a booster before omicron came along? | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | I had planned to wait for January or February, or at least for after the crowds are gone, but my employer sent me an offer I couldn't refuse. | 23:34 |
| LjL | probably | 23:34 |
| LjL | also my brain is pouting because, again, i see that Topol tweet saying AZ+BNT is "best", and i remember *something else* that instead found it has no efficacy, but what was it? WHAT WAS IT? i don't even... earlier when i already realized, i was less annoyed that i couldn't remember, maybe i didn't realize i wasn't actually remembering, but now i am | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +8167 cases (now 34.7 million), +279 deaths (now 474390) since 17 hours ago — Rwanda: +53 cases (now 100517) since 21 hours ago | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Here's an overview of Omicron antibody study results. Seems now's a good time to get that booster if you haven't, and get the offer twitter.com/afischer71/sta… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1469072435521761281 | 23:37 |
| Dredd | <Arsanerit> "I had planned to wait for..." <- Did you wake up with a horse's head in your bed? | 23:44 |
| Arsanerit | Dredd: No horses, why? | 23:45 |
| Dredd | LjL: best to not overthink the vaccine efficacy stuff | 23:45 |
| elephpant[m] | <sdfgsdfg> "we want babyboosters..." <- misread this as 'we want baby boomers' | 23:45 |
| Arsanerit | I figured that the most important thing is that many people get vaccinated, so as long as the vaccination places are busy all is well. | 23:45 |
| * Dredd uploaded an image: (235KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/shortestpath.dev/PBqvzCnmQAMvNoRTrQBaufwn/image.png > | 23:45 | |
| Dredd | Arsanerit: ^ | 23:46 |
| LjL | ugh | 23:46 |
| LjL | can i overthink the idiocies i hear on tv? | 23:46 |
| LjL | "it's less lethal, less contagious and less evasive than expected" | 23:46 |
| LjL | also "we only have 20 cases, the UK has 800, because they've been doing badly with restrictions, we good, we no change direction, we go ski" | 23:47 |
| LjL | bye matrix bridge | 23:47 |
| Arsanerit | skiing is an outdoor activity, should be OK? It's the apres-ski parties or crowded lifts that are the problem? | 23:53 |
| Arsanerit | If skiers walk up the mountain and then ski down it's probably fine, also because 99% will cancel their trip. | 23:53 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, yeah well they won't | 23:55 |
| LjL | of course they're going to take lifts | 23:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): This is good news about our T cells vs Omicron with most of the epitopes (binding sites) in the spike (where there has been extensive mutations) are conserved from priorversions. More data from @ljiresearch coming, but this is a positive finding twitter.com/SetteLab/statu… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1469075523393376256 | 23:56 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "bye matrix bridge" <- But I'm still here? | 23:58 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: chairlift should be OK? | 23:58 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, most chairlifts nowadays have a bubble cover. i think in theory there are rules on like being 2 people instead of 4 people to be able to use the bubble, but lol | 23:59 |
| LjL | Dredd, a few users went "Client limit exceeded: 20000" | 23:59 |
| LjL | including mine :P | 23:59 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: are Italian ski resorts 2G (recovered or vaccinated), 2G+ ((recovered or vaccinated) and tested), or 3G (recovered or vaccinated or tested)? | 23:59 |
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