| nemo | fsmithred: so... the helpful folks in #debian found the rtw89 driver I was looking for in .16 kernel which isn't in sid yet (still on .15 there) | 01:37 |
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| nemo | fsmithred: so... I'm gonna wait a couple of weeks to see what shows up upstream | 01:37 |
| nemo | on the plus side, the firmware *is* in sid | 01:37 |
| nemo | after that might look into backporting the module fixes | 01:37 |
| nemo | or just buying a usb dongle for the time being | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | wifi dongle? They're nice to have around for when you need it. | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | Mine gets used once or twice a year. | 01:55 |
| critr | do they make usb C wifi dongles? | 01:59 |
| fsmithred | I don't know, but I assume there are adapters. | 02:00 |
| critr | i see usb C ethernet adapters which is even better. neat. | 02:09 |
| nosystemd | Hey guys | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | I've installed devuan | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | and now | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | i'm running on devuan+gnome | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | :) | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | It is fast as hell, it boots up so fast | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | :) | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | but | 10:53 |
| nosystemd | :( snapcraft is not avaialble in devuan | 10:54 |
| nosystemd | sudo apt install snapd | 10:54 |
| nosystemd | cant found | 10:54 |
| nosystemd | anybody how do you install proprietary? | 10:54 |
| nosystemd | If i install proprietary from non sense tutorial, i would break my devuan "dontbreakdevuan" | 10:54 |
| nosystemd | Gius | 10:55 |
| gnarface | sorry nosystemd, snapd is on the list of packages they couldn't fix: http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 11:00 |
| nosystemd | i found flatpak working in devuan | 11:01 |
| nosystemd | i've installed it :) | 11:01 |
| nosystemd | sir gnarface , after i install flatpak , | 11:01 |
| nosystemd | i have to add | 11:02 |
| nosystemd | flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo | 11:02 |
| nosystemd | I'm bit nervious, is it ok to run this command | 11:02 |
| gnarface | i honestly would not recommend using flatpack or snapd or any other packages from outside the repos | 11:02 |
| nosystemd | does that command | 11:02 |
| nosystemd | `flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo` | 11:02 |
| nosystemd | doesnt break debian | 11:02 |
| gnarface | some people have used it successfully but there are multiple reports of it breaking stuff | 11:03 |
| gnarface | maybe there is a better source for whatever program you want? | 11:03 |
| gnarface | or an alternative that's in the repos? | 11:03 |
| nosystemd | It was my only way to get new edge packages in devian | 11:05 |
| nosystemd | If flatpak also break | 11:05 |
| nosystemd | isnt that isolated enviroment, why Flatpak breaks devuan ? | 11:06 |
| gnarface | i don't know enough about it to know specifics, but usually package management that is not deb-dependency-aware inherently does | 11:08 |
| gnarface | whether it actually breaks something badly enough to disrupt the rest of the system seems to be a matter of installation choices | 11:09 |
| nosystemd | if i want to install like , other edge packages i'm stuck | 11:09 |
| gnarface | not necessarily | 11:09 |
| gnarface | you could use a container, a vm, or just a chroot | 11:09 |
| nosystemd | a container | 11:10 |
| nosystemd | docker | 11:10 |
| nosystemd | ? | 11:10 |
| nosystemd | but does it support gui | 11:10 |
| gnarface | the best ones don't | 11:10 |
| gnarface | unfortunately | 11:10 |
| gnarface | docker is an example of what i'm talking about though, yes | 11:11 |
| gnarface | not sure if it's any good; it generates a lot of support trouble too | 11:11 |
| gnarface | i like qemu but there's no gui setup, you gotta type command-line options | 11:11 |
| nosystemd | Like i've to install https://robomongo.org/ , this robo3t, | 11:12 |
| nosystemd | It have tar.gz , i think this could break debian | 11:12 |
| nosystemd | if i install | 11:12 |
| nosystemd | What should i do if? Any tips? | 11:12 |
| nosystemd | Vm isnt useful, i'm in low resource | 11:12 |
| gnarface | if you compile a tar.gz that uses make, you can package it automatically on install with the checkinstall tool | 11:12 |
| gnarface | you just install the checkinstall package, then instead of running "make install" you run "checkinstall make install" then follow the instructions | 11:13 |
| gnarface | that's much better than flatpack or snapd because you can remove or upgrade the package with apt | 11:13 |
| nosystemd | could you please ellaborate on it? please give me tutorial on doing these | 11:14 |
| gnarface | if it's a properly debianized package that doesn't have systemd requirements though you can also probably just run dpkg-buildpackage on it | 11:14 |
| gnarface | elaborate on checkinstall? i literally just told you everything there is to know about it | 11:15 |
| gnarface | building the tar.gz itself you'll have to consult its own documentation for, i'm not familiar with that software | 11:15 |
| gnarface | man pages are your friends | 11:15 |
| nosystemd | yes thank you i've found wiki on checkinstall https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall | 11:16 |
| nosystemd | but i think i've to give prefix while running ./configure, am i right? | 11:16 |
| nosystemd | if not given it would go to system packages and make frankenstein devuan | 11:17 |
| gnarface | yes, there are a few common options | 11:17 |
| gnarface | --prefix=/usr | 11:17 |
| gnarface | --sysconfdir /etc | 11:17 |
| gnarface | something liek that | 11:17 |
| gnarface | --prefix=/usr is the important one, then there are a couple others you can tweak to get things closer to the debian filesystem layout | 11:18 |
| nosystemd | Thanks | 11:20 |
| nosystemd | I've extracted that robo3t.tar.gz package | 11:20 |
| nosystemd | but i couldnt find ./configure | 11:20 |
| nosystemd | i'm using docker for mongodb : ( | 11:23 |
| nosystemd | I want to run emacs on startup | 11:58 |
| nosystemd | in systemd i used to use .config/systemd/ | 11:58 |
| nosystemd | add emacs.service | 11:58 |
| nosystemd | and add client name | 11:58 |
| nosystemd | What is its equivalent to sysvinit? | 11:58 |
| gnarface | nosystemd: shell script in /etc/init.d/ | 12:14 |
| gnarface | there should be examples online still | 12:15 |
| gnarface | maybe check the forum, also documentation for debian wheezy used to cover it pretty well | 12:17 |
| nosystemd | Thank you | 12:18 |
| nosystemd | so do you think i'm doing well come to devuan | 12:18 |
| nosystemd | I'm using devuan as my daily driver , desktop | 12:19 |
| nosystemd | I know "dont break debian " | 12:19 |
| nosystemd | although there wree much nonsystemd distro | 12:19 |
| nosystemd | but i came to devuan because of | 12:19 |
| nosystemd | stability | 12:19 |
| nosystemd | :) | 12:22 |
| nosystemd | but fine | 12:22 |
| nosystemd | it boots sofast | 12:22 |
| gnarface | yea, i think you made the right choice, i'm just trying to warn you to not break things because you're impatient | 12:24 |
| gnarface | take some time to read man pages, you know how right? | 12:24 |
| gnarface | man [command] | 12:25 |
| gnarface | q to quit | 12:25 |
| gnarface | "man man" is a good place to start if you've never seen them before | 12:25 |
| gnarface | lots of good stuff in there you don't have to install 3rd party repos to get | 12:26 |
| gnarface | since i know you're intent on doing something reckless, maybe the first thing you should research is how to make a backup | 12:26 |
| gnarface | stuff like snap/flatpack/ppas might work initially, but usually the cost is breakage later during some other install or upgrade | 12:27 |
| gnarface | or crashes | 12:28 |
| gnarface | the stuff in the official repos tends to be a lot less crashy than 3rd party or commercial stuff | 12:29 |
| gnarface | but ymmv | 12:29 |
| nosystemd | ok , i'm removing flatpak | 12:30 |
| furrymcgee | see man init-d-script for short and simple init.d scripts | 12:31 |
| nosystemd | I've added a sources.list.d for brave browser , does this can also break debian? | 12:32 |
| furrymcgee | if it is distributed in an apt repository there are chances it might be tested | 12:40 |
| nosystemd | Hello guys | 13:18 |
| nosystemd | Anybody please help me running this emacs client/server on devuan? | 13:18 |
| nosystemd | https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Emacs-Server.html | 13:18 |
| furrymcgee | run emacs -daemon | 13:36 |
| ham5urg | Is it correct that Pulseaudio is started by Gnome and circumvent any sane init-system? | 13:48 |
| nosystemd | hey ham5urg i met you | 13:48 |
| nosystemd | i've installed devuan | 13:48 |
| nosystemd | but i dont found snapd | 13:48 |
| nosystemd | and somebody here recommend not to use flatpak | 13:48 |
| nosystemd | i'm scared, | 13:48 |
| ham5urg | it's simple, don't use flatpak and snap | 13:50 |
| used____ | ham5urg: gnome is indeed pulse and jack centric and uses "user" mode audio if no system audio is present iirc. | 14:10 |
| used____ | I can't believe we have come to linux being unable to run emacs server/client, a core GNU "value project", due to systemd contamination. | 14:11 |
| ham5urg | used____ even xfce4 pulls pusleaudio in | 14:12 |
| used____ | No, I run alsa under xfce4. | 14:12 |
| used____ | Purged pulse installed alsa. | 14:12 |
| used____ | Beowulf. | 14:12 |
| used____ | nosystemd71: see Debian init scripts, install, edit, run https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsAsDaemon | 14:14 |
| nosystemd71 | It is for systemd only :( | 14:15 |
| nosystemd71 | people gave me weird tutorial to accomplish | 14:15 |
| nosystemd71 | i didnt know what they give | 14:15 |
| used____ | Did you actually READ what I told you? Specifically the 2 INIT scrips for emacs on Debian? | 14:15 |
| used____ | https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DebianInitScript this one? | 14:16 |
| ham5urg | used____ I just saw https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=xfce4=4.16 and https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin=0.4.3-1 and believed the dark side is entering xfce4 too. | 14:16 |
| used____ | or this one? https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsdInitScript | 14:16 |
| used____ | ham5urg: oh yes, it is. | 14:16 |
| nosystemd71 | I"m on gnome | 14:16 |
| used____ | nosystemd71: nobody asked what wm you have... | 14:17 |
| nosystemd71 | :) who cares | 14:17 |
| nosystemd71 | no you guys are caring | 14:17 |
| nosystemd71 | Thank you for that | 14:17 |
| nosystemd71 | :) | 14:17 |
| ham5urg | used____ but pusleaudio is still deactivate-able in xfce4? | 14:17 |
| used____ | ham5urg: in Beowulf for sure. | 14:18 |
| nosystemd71 | I've compiled emacs on /home/pong/programs/emacs | 14:18 |
| ham5urg | Is it correct that future Gnomes and KDEs will not work with X? | 14:19 |
| ham5urg | I've read it somewhere | 14:19 |
| nosystemd71 | D: | 14:19 |
| nosystemd71 | i'm in x11 , because of that nvidia | 14:20 |
| used____ | ham5urg: read the README of the plugin, it is just a volume control. Use /usr/bin/volumeicon instead with ALSA | 14:20 |
| used____ | Gnome is probably going full way-laid (wayland), KDE I don't know. | 14:20 |
| used____ | This is slightly off topic, take it to *-offtopic | 14:21 |
| used____ | ham5urg: note: when purging pulse, the xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin stays on, but it does nothing, is not in use. | 14:21 |
| nosystemd71 | hey guys i see | 14:27 |
| nosystemd71 | Nepali font is not avaialble in devuan gnome | 14:27 |
| nosystemd71 | jibrish shown in nepali langauge sites | 14:27 |
| gnarface | uvcdynctrl is missing from chimaera.... is there an alternative? | 17:22 |
| gnarface | it only has partial overlap in functionality with v4l2-ctl | 17:22 |
| used____ | nosystemd1 is gone? | 17:28 |
| used____ | Tell him to install kcharselect and then a suitable font which covers Nepali. | 17:29 |
| used____ | I see DejaVu Sans font has Central Asian Scripts, covers Tibetan, Sanskrit. | 17:30 |
| av6 | for the record, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin does not depend on pulseaudio server, it depends on libpulse0 and libpulse-mainloop-glib0 | 18:08 |
| av6 | these libs don't depend on pulseaudio itself, so you don't have to install it | 18:08 |
| av6 | and also the plugin is perfectly usable with pipewire because pipewire implements pulse protocol | 18:08 |
| av6 | (xfce4 with pipewire here) | 18:08 |
| pingpongball | What are you doing ? av6 | 18:10 |
| av6 | talking to the channel backlog | 18:12 |
| pingpongball | oh | 18:14 |
| pingpongball | why was snapcraft banned? | 18:15 |
| pingpongball | ;( | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | pingpongball, where do you see that snapcraft is banned? And where do you see that snapcraft is a package that exists? | 18:30 |
| pingpongball | =L sudo apt install snapd | 18:31 |
| pingpongball | is not in devuan | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | not in debian, either | 18:31 |
| pingpongball | https://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking at the banned list | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | snapcraft is not on the page | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | snapd requires systemd | 18:32 |
| pingpongball | in debian i used to install using sudo apt install snapd | 18:32 |
| pingpongball | :O snapd requires systemd | 18:32 |
| pingpongball | that means, is there any package for snapcraft for sysVinit | 18:33 |
| used____ | I see debian.org got a facelift, but the equivalence table Devuan/#/codename <-> Debian/#/codename seems to be gone? | 18:33 |
| used____ | snapcraft requires snapd afaik, so, no? | 18:33 |
| pingpongball | ;( i've to install packages sometimes like robo3t ,although its opensource i can compile it, but its not a effitient way if i want to install proprietary | 18:34 |
| used____ | fsmithred: Daedalus ~= Sid? 12.0? | 18:34 |
| pingpongball | or some very edge packages | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | what about numbers? | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | Daedalus=Bookworm, Ceres=Sid | 18:35 |
| used____ | Well Beowulf is 3.1 and corresponds to 12.0 Buster I think? | 18:35 |
| pingpongball | i'm in cheamera | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | buster is 10 | 18:35 |
| used____ | Ah | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | Refracta releases use the Debian numbers | 18:36 |
| used____ | Now I am confused. | 18:36 |
| fsmithred | Devuan uses its own numbers, starting with jessie=1 | 18:36 |
| used____ | Is this info anywhere on one table/page? | 18:36 |
| fsmithred | confused about what? | 18:36 |
| pingpongball | Is it not recommend to use flatpak ? i heard someone not recommeding to use flatpak | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | not the refracta info. That's a different distribution (just a re-spin) | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | I see the devuan release table just gives names, not the numbers. | 18:38 |
| used____ | indeed | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | buster=10, bullseye=11, bookworm=12, sid=infinity | 18:39 |
| used____ | What's the "planet number" again? | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | or however many characters there are in Toy Story | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | astronomical number for each minor planet | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | I don't have those memorized | 18:39 |
| used____ | :) | 18:39 |
| used____ | Which catalog?... | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | should be linked on that same page | 18:39 |
| used____ | re: refracta: I do not see a version / release name page? Or table? | 18:52 |
| used____ | Other than 'announcements'? | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | correct. I don't have a release page. | 18:55 |
| fsmithred | relevant info is on the downloads page | 18:55 |
| brocashelm | i noticed refracta is still not updated at distrowatch | 18:58 |
| brocashelm | last update was december 2020 | 18:58 |
| used____ | https://termbin.com/67hm fsmithred is this table I made correct? | 18:59 |
| brocashelm | so it still says it's on 10 | 18:59 |
| used____ | also, what's the deal with the planet number please? Link on explanation? | 18:59 |
| golinux | https://minorplanetcenter.net//iau/lists/MPNames.html | 19:00 |
| used____ | Thanks. | 19:01 |
| brocashelm | and it's also in alphabetical order (except for jessie) | 19:01 |
| golinux | One of the original core devs is an astronomer. Our first alpha was dedicated to Leonard Nemoy | 19:01 |
| used____ | Ok. | 19:01 |
| golinux | And the grub splash screen was the Vulcan hand thing | 19:02 |
| used____ | So, is my little table correct? It is as far as I can tell so far? | 19:02 |
| golinux | Can't seem to find a link. But this lists all our releases https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 19:03 |
| brocashelm | chimaera is 4, no? | 19:03 |
| golinux | Yes. Jessie was 1 | 19:04 |
| brocashelm | so just subtract by 1 | 19:04 |
| used____ | Yes, ok, fixing it | 19:04 |
| used____ | Jessie was 1 but Ceres's planet number is 1... grr | 19:04 |
| golinux | Debian and Devuan shared the same release name - Jessie | 19:05 |
| golinux | It's all explained in that page. | 19:05 |
| brocashelm | yes | 19:06 |
| used____ | updated https://termbin.com/71qt | 19:06 |
| used____ | bbl | 19:06 |
| used____ | re | 19:40 |
| used____ | No chance this gets back ported to 10 / 11, right? https://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa | 19:43 |
| Guest92 | good day. i have bug in pkg i2pd. if you can update i2pd_2.23 to i2pd_2.40 in devuan_3.1 its be cool. [11657206.512624] i2pd[30937]: segfault at 188 ip 000055fc4dec9e68 sp 00007fc91559ab68 error 4 in i2pd[55fc4dd9c000+243000] | 20:01 |
| Guest92 | [11657267.653433] i2pd[31045]: segfault at 188 ip 000055afafd42e68 sp 00007f339a7e7b68 error 4 in i2pd[55afafc15000+243000] | 20:01 |
| Guest92 | [11657508.108783] i2pd[31099]: segfault at 188 ip 000055abea6c2e68 sp 00007ffbeb85cb68 error 4 in i2pd[55abea595000+243000] | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | Guest92, ceres/sid only has 2.39. You would need to backport the version you want. | 20:29 |
| Guest92 | well, this is not a problem of devuan maintainers, I will download 2.40 on my own, but just know that i2pd_2.23 in devuan spontaneously crashes, such is the bug. | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | 2.36 is in chimaera, which is the current stable release | 20:44 |
| bb|hcb | Guest92: i2pd is not forked in Devuan and comes directly from Debian, that bug is best to be reported and fixed there. Then the fix will automatically come to Devuan as well | 20:44 |
| Guest92 | 2.36 does not work on the Tor network. If the virtual machine running i2p_2.36 is wrapped in a Tor network (Transport 9040), then i2pd does not see the network. Tested on chimaera, i2pd_2.39 and 2.40 work correctly with the same settings as 2.36. | 20:51 |
| Guest92 | bb|hcb: aaaa, ok, understood. thank you, i write in debian. | 20:54 |
| Guest0 | How can I learn to navigate IRC correctly? | 20:55 |
| used____ | http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/etiquette.html >> Guest0 | 21:01 |
| Guest0 | What should be the "debootstrap stable" command to install Devuan? | 21:08 |
| Guest0 | wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap | 21:08 |
| used____ | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=devuan.org+debootstrap | 21:11 |
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