| yl | hello | 01:15 |
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| yl | is there a rolling version of devuan? | 01:16 |
| djph | no | 01:16 |
| yl | thanks | 01:16 |
| golinux | I suppose you could consider ceres (sid) a rolling version. LOL! | 01:35 |
| djph | hm... fair point | 01:41 |
| fsmithred | we hope people running ceres will offer support, not ask for it | 01:43 |
| critr | that might be an interesting project | 01:48 |
| Vanfanel | Hello | 02:29 |
| adhoc | hi Vanfanel | 02:29 |
| Vanfanel | Do you guys know how can I tell the "fetch" script to update to 5.15 kernel on the Raspberry Pi? | 02:29 |
| adhoc | whic version of devuan are you running ? | 02:30 |
| Vanfanel | Latest one on ARM64 | 02:30 |
| adhoc | chinaera ? | 02:30 |
| Vanfanel | Yep | 02:30 |
| adhoc | do you have the backports repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 02:31 |
| Vanfanel | adhoc: yes | 02:31 |
| Vanfanel | doing "fetch -1" installs kernel 5.10.x | 02:32 |
| Vanfanel | How should I tell "fetch" to install 5.15.x? | 02:32 |
| adhoc | if you run the following, which series kernel do you have installed? | 02:37 |
| adhoc | dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image | 02:37 |
| fsmithred | 5.14 is in backports. | 02:37 |
| Vanfanel | Sorry, I know you guys are doing the best to help me, but all this is simply a problem with the "fetch" command. | 02:37 |
| adhoc | is that part of the arm64 release? | 02:38 |
| fsmithred | I know nothing about fetch | 02:38 |
| adhoc | i don't know it either | 02:38 |
| Vanfanel | adhoc: yes, that's arm specific | 02:38 |
| fsmithred | there's 5.15 in ceres, but it might not work well with chimaera | 02:38 |
| adhoc | Vanfanel: is there a specific reason you need 5.15 ? | 02:40 |
| Vanfanel | adhoc: yes, I can't report a graphics roblem without updating to the latest kernel | 02:41 |
| golinux | #devuan-arm channel maybe? | 02:41 |
| Vanfanel | golinux: it seems #arm-img-builder is the right one, or so the "fetch" command says | 02:43 |
| golinux | Sorry . . . I know nothing about arm | 02:44 |
| Vanfanel | golinux: don't worry, and thanks for trying to help me :) | 02:44 |
| Vanfanel | Ah, it's "fetch -2". Thanks guys for trying to help! | 02:47 |
| golinux | The guys on the arm channel do | 02:47 |
| pingpongball | hey guys is it ok to install intel-microcode in devuan? | 11:55 |
| djph | yes | 11:55 |
| pingpongball | :) thank you i'm installing it | 11:55 |
| djph | it's patches for the CPU microcode | 11:55 |
| pingpongball | done | 11:55 |
| pingpongball | Guys when i boot | 12:01 |
| pingpongball | although it is booting perfectly | 12:02 |
| pingpongball | but when booting in that commands | 12:02 |
| pingpongball | Is shows error like | 12:02 |
| pingpongball | cannot install modeprobe -l nvidia-cur" | 12:02 |
| pingpongball | .... | 12:02 |
| pingpongball | although it boots fine, but what is that error means? | 12:02 |
| pingpongball | is it error for something big for future, or is it fine? | 12:02 |
| used____ | modeprobe is a misspelling. modprobe is more likely. It means it won't install Nvidia drivers properly. Do your graphics look good? | 12:04 |
| pingpongball | yes it looks good | 12:05 |
| pingpongball | but | 12:05 |
| pingpongball | i dont see nvidia on settings | 12:05 |
| pingpongball | only this Mesa Intel® Iris(R) Plus Graphics (ICL GT2) | 12:05 |
| pingpongball | while i was debian, it used to be nouveau/mesa.... or nvidia/mesa... | 12:06 |
| used____ | Yes that means you do not have a Nvidia card... ? | 12:06 |
| debdog | the only files I could find with "nvidia-cur" in their names are just PNGs. like /usr/share/icons/ukui/16x16/apps/nvidia-current-settings.png | 12:06 |
| used____ | nouveau is "open source" nvidia. If it works, leave it alone. Ignore the "error". | 12:07 |
| pingpongball | no i've nvidia card | 12:07 |
| pingpongball | i used to install by "sudo apt install nvidia-driver" | 12:07 |
| used____ | Is this a laptiop? | 12:07 |
| pingpongball | yes i'm in laptop | 12:07 |
| used____ | Right, so you're using the chipset default video driver, which is Intel, Nvidia is not used. | 12:08 |
| pingpongball | i want to use both | 12:08 |
| used____ | This is a hairy-er problem to fix, maybe others will help. Make the rest of the system work. | 12:08 |
| used____ | You can't use "both" on a laptop, you use them one by one, one or the other. | 12:09 |
| pingpongball | does it affect , i mean | 12:10 |
| pingpongball | if i install like cuda , does nvidia would work properly | 12:10 |
| pingpongball | like for tensorflow | 12:10 |
| pingpongball | and things | 12:10 |
| used____ | I don't know, but I think when using cuda, the Nvidia driver does not also output to video out. | 12:11 |
| pingpongball | god this didnt happened in debian | 12:11 |
| used____ | Right, wait for others to chip in, laptops are more complex to set up for video. | 12:12 |
| used____ | Also, duckduck a bit. Here is what I found: https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/cccf642ce672fd8f127ed128cf27749b | 12:12 |
| pingpongball | ok | 12:13 |
| pingpongball | i've already install nvidia-driver | 12:13 |
| pingpongball | I can see it have also installed a nvidia-settings | 12:13 |
| pingpongball | nvidia-xserver-settings | 12:13 |
| pingpongball | Do you guys "debian and devuan" , In real life as friends / do you fight each other or have some sort of unbalanced friendship ? | 12:36 |
| UsL | wat | 12:39 |
| pingpongball | :) just saying | 12:39 |
| UsL | I didn't even understand what you tried to ask | 12:40 |
| UsL | seems like offtopic anyway | 12:40 |
| pingpongball | sorry , i was just asking off topic, | 12:41 |
| pingpongball | i've problem and i'm hree | 12:41 |
| pingpongball | cannot install modeprobe -l nvidia-cur" | 12:41 |
| pingpongball | when i boot it tells me this error | 12:41 |
| pingpongball | but although it boots perfect | 12:41 |
| pingpongball | also in my settings graphics, only intel graphics shows up and not any of nvidia | 12:42 |
| pingpongball | although i've installed nvidia-driver | 12:42 |
| pingpongball | i'm waiting for devuan developer for help me solve the issue | 12:43 |
| UsL | well, I agree with used___. It can be flunky mixing intel and nvidia systems. | 12:47 |
| pingpongball | i used to run before in debian, it shows in graphics | 12:50 |
| pingpongball | but not in devuan | 12:50 |
| UsL | devuan uses 99% of all that debian does. You sure you have all fields in sources enabled and can install the latest (debian) nvidia drivers? | 12:54 |
| UsL | try a restart and log all problems. Check dmesg. Search online for the exact error messages, | 12:56 |
| pingpongball | Usl that 99% , snapcraft was not included and is banned, i was suprised and depressed by hearing this. | 12:57 |
| UsL | maybe devuan isn't the distro fit for your needs. Banned packages are depending on systemd to function. | 12:59 |
| pingpongball | no no i dont want systemd | 13:03 |
| used____ | You've been pushing the same points here for a few days now, pingpongball. Make your mind up. You can't come here to "push the envelope", trying to implement things which are written up as not working on devuan for good reasons. Choose what you need and we'll help you with it. Choose something which does not work, and we can't/won't. | 13:13 |
| pingpongball | sorry, but problem was that nvidia showing problem | 13:14 |
| used____ | Did you follow the nvidia link I gave you above? | 13:14 |
| pingpongball | i've already told https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-support-for-other-init-systems-sysvinit-runit-openrc/27818 :) | 13:14 |
| used____ | https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/cccf642ce672fd8f127ed128cf27749b this, again | 13:14 |
| pingpongball | I've already installed nvidia-driver | 13:15 |
| pingpongball | it tells | 13:15 |
| pingpongball | OUTDATED: The pinning no longer works. | 13:15 |
| brocashelm | why do you want snaps in devuan? | 13:16 |
| pingpongball | -_- like if i want to install rust programming , with rustup , | 13:17 |
| pingpongball | also that robo3t, although i've found appimage of its alternative i'm using it | 13:17 |
| pingpongball | although i dont wanted , never would download proprietary software | 13:18 |
| brocashelm | so, it's not good enough to install rust packages from apt? | 13:20 |
| brocashelm | i don't see what the issue is here | 13:20 |
| brocashelm | as used____ said, you have to decide for yourself what you want to do with devuan and accept both pros and cons | 13:21 |
| pingpongball | I accept cons | 13:24 |
| pingpongball | :) | 13:24 |
| pingpongball | Hail devuan | 13:24 |
| pingpongball | =* | 13:24 |
| used____ | Sigh. | 13:25 |
| pingpongball | what is apt pinning guys? | 14:45 |
| pingpongball | somebody recommend to install rust latest , rustup , | 14:46 |
| pingpongball | using /etc/apt/preferences.d and add an unstable source | 14:46 |
| pingpongball | https://gist.github.com/Diablo-D3/55537540242ad3d6852deeb55163129d | 14:46 |
| pingpongball | i had never heard apt pinning | 14:46 |
| furrymcgee | see man apt_preferences | 14:48 |
| pingpongball | yes i'm in | 14:48 |
| pingpongball | https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration | 14:48 |
| furrymcgee | https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/apt/apt_preferences.5.en.html | 14:48 |
| pingpongball | like that rust-all package is only available in sid, i could use backports | 14:49 |
| furrymcgee | I dont know if rust is ready for debian stable | 14:50 |
| pingpongball | no it is not ready for stable , rustc are availalbe | 14:50 |
| furrymcgee | I think backports are only for stable | 14:52 |
| brocashelm | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 15:03 |
| brocashelm | so, yes, backports is only for stable | 15:04 |
| brocashelm | rust-all is available for testing (same version as unstable: 1.56) | 15:05 |
| brocashelm | imo, you might benefit more from using unstable if you frequently need newer packages | 15:06 |
| brocashelm | but it's still risky if you don't know what you're doing | 15:06 |
| brocashelm | i've used ceres (devuan unstable) for almost two years and have only had minor issues (if any) during an upgrade. it's advisable to install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs if you go this route, just to be safe | 15:07 |
| Centurion_Dan | Jjp137: I'm not overly concerned about the service, just control over what servers it uses. | 19:18 |
| Jjp137 | er...did you address the wrong person? | 19:19 |
| Centurion_Dan | Jjp137: I'm not concerned about using DNS over HTTPS but concerned about what servers are used by default. In my view that is the key issue that isn't yet being addressed. He who controls the servers used by default will control what domains can be seen. | 19:26 |
| Jjp137 | oh I forgot about that conversation | 19:27 |
| Centurion_Dan | hi | 19:28 |
| Centurion_Dan | hi | 19:31 |
| Centurion_Dan | hi | 19:38 |
| golinux | Centurion_Dan: Hello stranger | 19:44 |
| golinux | Long time no see | 19:44 |
| Centurion_Dan | Hi golinux! | 21:19 |
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