| sabas3dgh | hello I am getting this error after update && upgrade command | 03:40 |
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| sabas3dgh | on chimaera | 03:40 |
| sabas3dgh | Unpacking yudit-common (3.0.7-3) ... | 03:40 |
| sabas3dgh | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/yudit-common_3.0.7-3_all.deb (--unpack😞 | 03:40 |
| sabas3dgh | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/yudit/config/yudit.properties', which is also in package yudit 3.0.7-2 | 03:41 |
| sabas3dgh | dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 03:41 |
| sabas3dgh | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/yudit-common_3.0.7-3_all.deb | 03:41 |
| sabas3dgh | any idea how to solve this? | 03:41 |
| sabas3dgh | yudit works right now | 03:42 |
| se7en | Hello #devuan. As you may recall, what seems like an eternity ago I was having the same problems as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865368;msg=2 with my email setup (though I use Fetchmail). After a year of attempting to fix the problem, I more or less gave up. Then, randomly, it started working again. Now the problem has returned spontaniously. Any suggestions or advice? | 04:38 |
| gnarface | no idea really. is that .mpop file existing? | 04:49 |
| gnarface | output error suggests the disk is full, faulty, or has the wrong permissions | 04:49 |
| DashiePie | I have a question, does any version of Pluma support opening .ini files? | 06:42 |
| DashiePie | never mind | 06:45 |
| DashiePie | apparently, it's only certain .ini files | 06:46 |
| DashiePie | but it makes no sense to me why notepad can open one and Pluma can't open that same one, but will open another .ini file | 06:46 |
| gnarface | maybe it's a bug in pluma, try emacs | 06:46 |
| DashiePie | maybe I just need to update, but I'm lazy too | 06:47 |
| DashiePie | either way, I'm tired, and will be going to bed shortly | 06:47 |
| NeonLicht | It seems that the troubles I was having with apt weren't due to IPv6 being enabled, since I'm experiencing them again now without it (Connecting to debian.map.fastlydns.net). Are there any mirros I could try, please? I can't find any on the web site. | 08:51 |
| gnarface | NeonLicht: i saw you mention this earlier, and my only guess was a transient repo problem | 08:56 |
| gnarface | if you had tried it again immediately it may have worked | 08:56 |
| gnarface | here's the mirror list: http://packages.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 08:57 |
| gnarface | "deb.devuan.org" is a dns round-robin that points to all of them, if you try again you'll get another one at random | 08:57 |
| gnarface | or you can just pick one of them manually if you want | 08:57 |
| gnarface | sometimes there's spurious failures while the updates are rippling out | 08:58 |
| gnarface | if you get the same failure on the same package and the same mirror (or all mirrors) for an extended period of time, then escalate | 08:58 |
| * gnarface facepalms | 08:58 | |
| gnarface | and ffs stay around long enough to get a response | 08:59 |
| NeonLicht | gnarface: It works when I try again sometimes, but some other times it keeps failing for a few minutes and it takes 5-6 tries to get through. Some of my users are getting anoyed and tell me they don't have such problem with Ubuntu (I'm tying to get rid of Ubuntu in all servers, but some people are reluctant and find any small problem as an argument against me switching them over to Devuan). :-( | 09:04 |
| NeonLicht | That you, gnarface, I'll try some mirrors and see... | 09:04 |
| NeonLicht | mirror.vpgrp.io (The Netherlands) seem to do fine for me (Im in Europe) for now... | 09:06 |
| NeonLicht | I guess what I need to do is to build up a local mirror myself. Or maybe set up a chache server... | 09:07 |
| NeonLicht | Any pointers on how to do either of the two, please? | 09:08 |
| gnarface | apt-cacher-ng works fine | 10:13 |
| gnarface | you have to alter some stock config files because there's no debian defaults, but the alterations are semi-obvious | 10:13 |
| gnarface | i mean no devuan defaults* | 10:13 |
| gnarface | i think there's even a patch in the git repository for it that someone submitted, but there's no maintainer volunteering to support a fork of it yet | 10:14 |
| NeonLicht | Thank you, gnarface, I'll have a look at apr-cacher-ng, then. | 10:14 |
| NeonLicht | s/apr/apt/ | 10:14 |
| gnarface | that was just my choice because it was what i had already used for debian, i'm sure the task isn't super unique and probably a lot of different caching proxy software would work | 10:15 |
| NeonLicht | It sounds reasonable to me and, since I'm not using any proxy for the moment, apt-cacher-ng seems a good chice to me... | 10:17 |
| rwp | I am using apt-cacher-ng and it works pretty well for me. I set it up on a ceres system as it sometimes needs to react to upstream repository changes. | 10:18 |
| NeonLicht | Wouldn't it do that on chimaera just fine? | 10:21 |
| rwp | No as chimaera is only getting security upgrades. I think maybe you were thinking of Testing Deadalus? | 10:21 |
| NeonLicht | I was thinking a local cache would cache whatever any system asked for, but apparently that isn't the case? | 10:23 |
| rwp | A couple of years ago I had to move my apt-cacher-ng system off Stable and onto Unstable due to changes in upstream repos that needed a newer apt-cacher-ng version which was not getting released into Stable but was available in Unstable. | 10:24 |
| rwp | Since I can dedicate a VM to this task and apt-cacher-ng is the *only* thing it does it doesn't have very much installed and Unstable is good enough when limited to just a few specific things. | 10:24 |
| rwp | Don't let me talk you out of running it on Stable. Give it a go. I was just passing along my experience with it. | 10:25 |
| NeonLicht | OK, I see. I'll try on chimaera, although I wouldn't mind running a dedicated container with ceres for that, as I said. | 10:26 |
| NeonLicht | I'm trying... if the apt install ever works... LOL | 10:29 |
| NeonLicht | I'm going to change the repo to the NL mirror one on this box, too. | 10:30 |
| gnarface | i'm pretty sure my oldstable copy is still working for everything here | 10:33 |
| gnarface | i think i even used it for openbsd | 10:33 |
| gnarface | ymmv i guess | 10:33 |
| rwp | I have not enabled my apt-cacher-ng as a general purpose http proxy. | 10:34 |
| gnarface | i don't mean literally everything, but all the other devuan releases anyway, and like i said i think even openbsd | 10:34 |
| gnarface | i think you can enable it as a general http proxy but you'll probably start to run into directory collision problems eventually if you don't curate the cache directory prefix config file on a per-domain basis (i forget what it's called) | 10:35 |
| rwp | I am running all of Devuan, Debian, Ubuntu, Trisquel, and Mint through one apt-cacher-ng proxy. | 10:35 |
| rwp | You mentioned OpenBSD and I thought for that with apt-cacher-ng that it would need to have the general purpose http proxy feature enabled. No? | 10:36 |
| gnarface | nah i think i just plugged in my host and port where it asked for a proxy during install and was surprised it workedd | 10:37 |
| gnarface | but then the default behavior is it dumps the cached files in the root of the cache directory | 10:37 |
| gnarface | which is why in normal circumstances you have to edit a config to give each domain its own subdirectory in the cache directory | 10:38 |
| gnarface | maybe they changed that in later versions | 10:38 |
| rwp | I was thinking of setting up a squid proxy for FreeBSD purposes but that takes us off topic. | 10:39 |
| gnarface | i'm sure people have used squid for this too | 10:39 |
| gnarface | apt-cacher-ng just looked like the easiest to set up of all the options when i looked into it years ago | 10:40 |
| rwp | +1. apt-cacher-ng works very well for an apt package cache. | 10:41 |
| gnarface | occasionally something goes wrong with timestamps or something like that in the cache and i have to either log into the admin page and flush the cache or just wait 5 minutes for it to do it on its own | 10:42 |
| NeonLicht | apt-cacher-ng isn't on the NL mirror. In fact, it doesn't seem to be up to date, since there are 36 packages to be upgraded from the main mirror and 0 from the NL mirror. :-( | 10:42 |
| gnarface | that's fairly rare | 10:42 |
| gnarface | hmm, odd | 10:42 |
| NeonLicht | I'll keep trying the apt install again and again and again until it gets through... :-( | 10:42 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=apt-cacher-ng&x=submit | 10:42 |
| gnarface | should be present | 10:42 |
| NeonLicht | This time I've tried like 20-25 times already... | 10:43 |
| gnarface | which mirror did you say you were using? | 10:43 |
| rwp | Which mirror? https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 10:43 |
| NeonLicht | http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 10:43 |
| gnarface | make sure you have chimaera-updates and chimaera-security along side chimaera | 10:44 |
| NeonLicht | I do | 10:44 |
| rwp | I also thought you said you were going to use the NL mirror? But deb.devuan.org is the DNS round robin through all of them. | 10:44 |
| rrq | if you are using a cacher now it might help restarting that | 10:44 |
| NeonLicht | I also have backports | 10:44 |
| NeonLicht | No, I'm not using a catcher... I'm trying to set one up, since I'm having so much trouble with that mirror. | 10:45 |
| gnarface | not https, right? not all the mirrors support https for devuan | 10:46 |
| NeonLicht | People are complaining so much about it that I really, really, really need to find a solution. | 10:46 |
| rrq | deb.devuan.org is supposedly a round-robin, but it does depend on the DNS chain from your end | 10:46 |
| NeonLicht | Not https, but http. Should I use https instead? | 10:46 |
| gnarface | no | 10:47 |
| rwp | I also see something that appears inconsistent. ftp.nluug.nl is listed as a mirror but I don't see it in the sledjhamr Report-web.html. | 10:47 |
| gnarface | did i link an outdated mirror list? | 10:47 |
| rrq | there are installer mirrors and pacakage mirrors | 10:47 |
| rwp | gnarface, I was looking at the main mirror list https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 10:48 |
| NeonLicht | Ohhhh, finally it went through and installed apt-cacher-ng!!!! | 10:48 |
| rrq | rwp: yes that's teh installer mirrors | 10:49 |
| NeonLicht | Should I add a /etc/apt-cacher-ng/backends_devuan.default file perhaps? | 10:49 |
| rwp | Oh of course! I am confusing installer mirrors and package mirrors which are not required to be convergent. | 10:49 |
| gnarface | NeonLicht: i think so, i forget exactly but you do have to edit a few files, though one is not super obvious because it still works without edits it just dumps the cached files in the root of the cache directory instead of a domain-specific subdirectory thereof | 10:50 |
| gnarface | like 3 files i think | 10:50 |
| NeonLicht | That one seemed obvious to me... the other 2, not so much, LOL | 10:51 |
| rrq | rwp: info on package mirrors are found in https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 10:51 |
| gnarface | well one is like hostnames and one is like hostname mappings to cache directory mappings and the other is your main config with the admin password | 10:51 |
| gnarface | as i vaguely recall anyway | 10:51 |
| gnarface | hostnames or hostname files? | 10:52 |
| gnarface | domain to file name with cache directory mappings? | 10:52 |
| NeonLicht | And then on the clients I just point sources.list to the IP of the cacher? | 10:53 |
| gnarface | hang on | 10:53 |
| gnarface | you want to edit /etc/apt-cacher-ng/acng.conf, /etc/apt-cacher-ng/security.conf, /var/lib/apt-cacher-ng/backends_devuan.default, and there should be a symlink from /etc/apt-cacher-ng/backends_devuan.default to that last file | 10:55 |
| rwp | NeonLicht, I set a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local-proxy file containing: Acquire::http { Proxy "http://192.168.230.135:3142"; }; | 10:55 |
| rwp | Obviously that's local to my LAN but you get the idea. Then no changes to any source.list file is needed. | 10:56 |
| gnarface | and that on the client, i was just typing it out^ | 10:56 |
| gnarface | i also have a empty file at /etc/apt-cacher-ng/backends_devuan but i'm not sure it is using it | 10:57 |
| rwp | Also if using the installer such as the netinstall iso image then when it asks for a proxy I tell it http://192.168.230.135:3142 and it uses it at install time. | 10:57 |
| NeonLicht | Sorry :-) | 10:57 |
| rwp | Sorry? I see no reason to be sorry. | 10:58 |
| rwp | However it is late here. I must say Good Night all! | 10:58 |
| NeonLicht | Sorry for being impatient and ask about the client while you were typing it for me. LOL | 11:01 |
| NeonLicht | I have modified acng.conf and copied the debian line to a devuan one (replacing debian with devuan), copied backeds_debian_default to backeds_devuan_default and replaced debian with devuan (I hope that will do), and security.conf adding a user/password... I hope that'll do... | 11:15 |
| NeonLicht | It seems it's working (although I had to change the default port, which was being used by something else, apparently). It has created a buch of files under /var/cache/apt-cacher.ng/deb.devuan.org/ | 11:23 |
| NeonLicht | It has created those after I did apt update on a client, that is, | 11:24 |
| NeonLicht | It's looking promising... LOL | 11:24 |
| NeonLicht | I've reinstalled a package on the client and the cacher has downloadad it and stored it locally. That is wonderful!!!! Thank you so much, guys, gnarface, rwp!!! | 11:27 |
| NeonLicht | I can't believe I am so exited about this, I really am! LOL | 11:31 |
| global_elites | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ceres/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | 11:45 |
| global_elites | is this Ok to use to install? | 11:46 |
| djph | global_elites: ceres? sure | 11:48 |
| djph | global_elites: I mean, if you want the equivalent of Debian Sid anyway | 11:48 |
| NeonLicht | Replace "ceres" witch "chimaera" if you want to go for the stable version, though. | 11:52 |
| NeonLicht | s/witch/with/ | 11:52 |
| global_elites | thanks - i usually use testing | 12:26 |
| NeonLicht | Testing would be daedalus | 12:27 |
| brocashelm | ceres and daedalus are currently very close in versions | 12:36 |
| brocashelm | and ceres gets updates quicker than daedalus/whatever testing is at the moment if there is a security/stability issue | 12:37 |
| NeonLicht | I see | 12:41 |
| Wizzup | a | 13:28 |
| Wizzup | oops sry. | 13:32 |
| NeverAlone | Would you all recommended Devuan as a daily os? | 16:28 |
| NeonLicht | I certanly would. I've been using it for years now. I upgraded from Debian ascii to Devuan ascii after 23 years of using Debian as my daily OS and been running Devuan ever since as such. | 16:39 |
| NeverAlone | I see | 16:42 |
| NeverAlone | Any init recommendations? | 16:44 |
| NeonLicht | What do you mean by "init" recommendations? (Sorry my English sucks) | 16:45 |
| NeverAlone | what init system you're using runit, openRC or sysvinit | 16:49 |
| Guest9092 | have anyone here used/is using suckless sic irc client? Just installed it to my devuan machine but dont understand how to use it fully, but want to move on from the webbased client to a more suckless program, haha. Here is the link if anyone wonders which one I mean https://tools.suckless.org/sic/ | 17:45 |
| NeverAlone | Ok something is clearly wrong I can't start any browser Chromium and Firefox won't start and when I try to launch them from the terminal I get nothing | 18:26 |
| global_elites | NeverAlone: I've always used Devuan or Debian - it just works for me - the software respository I find the most up to date in Linux apart from Arch's AUR which always breaks for me pretty quickly | 18:39 |
| golinux | NeverAlone: What init did you choose? | 18:57 |
| NeverAlone | OpenRC | 19:05 |
| NeverAlone | Any ideas on the browser issue? | 19:05 |
| golinux | Maybe you need an unit script! You can use the ones from sysvinit or create your own. | 19:41 |
| golinux | But I am way out of my depth here. | 19:41 |
| rwp | NeverAlone, I am surprised to hear that web browsers are not working. They "Just Work" for me. | 19:42 |
| rwp | I have chimaera running with both chromium and firefox-esr installed. Nothing of interest unusual to note. | 19:42 |
| golinux | Yeah. Always have for me too. | 19:42 |
| * golinux goes off to tea | 19:43 | |
| rwp | Guest9092, I haven't used the suckless irc client sic. I am using irssi and emacs-erc clients here. But it sounds like fun. I might try it. | 19:44 |
| rwp | Guest9092, The IRC support for the suckless tools is on the OFTC network, not here on Libera, so you might try OFTC #suckless and see what they say there. | 19:45 |
| Guest9092 | Ohhh | 20:07 |
| Guest9092 | Hmm will try to write there | 20:07 |
| Guest9092 | but I dont really know how to connect to that irc network | 20:07 |
| sabas3dgh | hello | 20:19 |
| NeonLicht | I tried sic once for a very breaf moment. I don't remember much about it, though. I use other suckless tools, but I went back to irssi after trying sic. | 20:19 |
| sabas3dgh | I want to bring lightdm back as my default login manager. how to do that? | 20:19 |
| NeonLicht | I got it to connect to IRC, join a channel, and chat, but I can't remember anything else, really. | 20:20 |
| NeonLicht | I believe if you do dpkg-reconfigure lightdm it will ask you if it should be the default, sabas3dgh. | 20:21 |
| Guest9092 | Aiiit | 20:26 |
| Guest9092 | I just found webclient to get in contact w the suckless guys and then I might be able to configure it to my liking | 20:27 |
| sabas3dgh | NeonLicht, Reloading system message bus config...done. It just did that and didn't ask me anything | 20:34 |
| gnarface | NeverAlone: incomplete upgrade maybe? | 20:58 |
| gnarface | try "apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade" | 20:59 |
| brocashelm | neveralone: been using devuan for years after getting tired of ubuntu/mint and wanting to escape the systemd plague altogether. no issues here | 23:09 |
| brocashelm | debian having "up-to-date repositories" only applies if you're using sid; it's otherwise packages that remain the same for two years straight until the next lts release, so they'll be quite outdated | 23:11 |
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